• Rudy Giuliani failed to answer basic questions at his attorney-miscondu

    From wayne.beardsley@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 6 09:31:07 2022
    It looks like Rudy is in hot water - well deserved I might add.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/giuliani-struggled-to-answer-basic-questions-attorney-disciplinary-hearing-2022-12

    Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York appeared Monday as the first witness in his own attorney-misconduct hearing. The proceedings quickly became combative as the opposing counsel dinged Giuliani for failing to answer straightforward questions and
    frequently veering off course.

    The ethics case, brought by the Washington, DC, bar's Office of Disciplinary Counsel, zeroes in on Giuliani's effort to overturn the 2020 election results in Pennsylvania when he was then-President Donald Trump's personal attorney. Specifically, the
    office alleges that the former New York mayor filed a "frivolous" lawsuit seeking to nullify Pennsylvania's presidential-election results, despite the fact that there was "no factual or legal basis" for Giuliani's claims of widespread voter fraud.

    By filing the lawsuit, the office said, Giuliani violated the Pennsylvania Rules of Professional Conduct and "engaged in conduct prejudicial to the administration of justice."

    On Monday, Hamilton Fox, the disciplinary counsel, said in his opening arguments that Giuliani "weaponized his law license" in an effort to undermine the Constitution.


    "Mr. Giuliani was responsible for filing a frivolous action asking a court in Pennsylvania to deny millions of people the right to vote," Fox said during the virtual hearing.

    Fox grew increasingly frustrated with Giuliani as the proceedings went on. At one point, he was trying to get more details from Giuliani about his role in litigating the Pennsylvania case, but the former mayor repeatedly veered off course and started
    airing nonsense allegations of voter fraud in other states.

    "Mr. Giuliani, I am trying to find out what your role was in writing — in drafting — the initial complaint in Pennsylvania," Fox said. "I'm asking you what time it is, and you're telling me how to make a watch."

    "Well, you know, I really do think you should let me answer the question so I can get the context in which I was operating," Giuliani said. "So you don't create the false impression that all my time and attention was given to one matter when that was not
    the case."

    Later in the hearing, Giuliani was again reminded that he was there to answer questions as a witness when he started opining on a 5-2 Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling about voting procedures in the state.

    "I recall this very, very clearly," Giuliani said of the ruling. "This is a very debatable opinion."

    Fox ignored Giuliani and pointed out that the ruling held that election observers "be permitted to remain in the room where the ballots are being counted."

    "So you would agree that my position is reasonable, since it was the same position as" the dissenters, Giuliani said, adding: "It was hardly — "

    Fox cut him off, saying, "Mr. Giuliani, I ask the questions."

    Robert Bernius, a retired lawyer who presided over the hearings, also tried multiple times to rein Giuliani in.

    "Mr. Giuliani, I understand your frustration, but this is not the point at which you should argue your claims," he said. "Just answer the questions. Thank you."

    Earlier in the day, Bernius interrupted another long-winded rant from Giuliani to remind him that he was testifying as a witness.

    The former mayor then said he had been "persecuted for three or more years" and that his actions were taken out of context.

    "You've been a trial lawyer for a long time, and you understand how the process works," Bernius said. "The process is regularized."

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  • From justan@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 6 22:47:52 2022
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>
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    It looks like Rudy is in hot water - well deserved I might add.https://www.businessinsider.com/giuliani-struggled-to-answer-basic-questions-attorney-disciplinary-hearing-2022-12Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York appeared Monday as the first
    witness in his own attorney-misconduct hearing. The proceedings quickly became combative as the opposing counsel dinged Giuliani for failing to answer straightforward questions and frequently veering off course.The ethics case, brought by the Washington,
    DC, bar's Office of Disciplinary Counsel, zeroes in on Giuliani's effort to overturn the 2020 election results in Pennsylvania when he was then-President Donald Trump's personal attorney. Specifically, the office alleges that the former New York mayor
    filed a "frivolous" lawsuit seeking to nullify Pennsylvania's presidential-election results, despite the fact that there was "no factual or legal basis" for Giuliani's claims of widespread voter fraud.By filing the lawsuit, the office said, Giuliani
    violated the Pennsylvania Rules of Professional Conduct and "engaged in conduct prejudicial to the administration of justice."On Monday, Hamilton Fox, the disciplinary counsel, said in his opening arguments that Giuliani "weaponized his law license" in
    an effort to undermine the Constitution."Mr. Giuliani was responsible for filing a frivolous action asking a court in Pennsylvania to deny millions of people the right to vote," Fox said during the virtual hearing.Fox grew increasingly frustrated with
    Giuliani as the proceedings went on. At one point, he was trying to get more details from Giuliani about his role in litigating the Pennsylvania case, but the former mayor repeatedly veered off course and started airing nonsense allegations of voter
    fraud in other states."Mr. Giuliani, I am trying to find out what your role was in writing ¡X in drafting ¡X the initial complaint in Pennsylvania," Fox said. "I'm asking you what time it is, and you're telling me how to make a watch.""Well, you know, I
    really do think you should let me answer the question so I can get the context in which I was operating," Giuliani said. "So you don't create the false impression that all my time and attention was given to one matter when that was not the case."Later in
    the hearing, Giuliani was again reminded that he was there to answer questions as a witness when he started opining on a 5-2 Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling about voting procedures in the state."I recall this very, very clearly," Giuliani said of the
    ruling. "This is a very debatable opinion."Fox ignored Giuliani and pointed out that the ruling held that election observers "be permitted to remain in the room where the ballots are being counted.""So you would agree that my position is reasonable,
    since it was the same position as" the dissenters, Giuliani said, adding: "It was hardly ¡X "Fox cut him off, saying, "Mr. Giuliani, I ask the questions."Robert Bernius, a retired lawyer who presided over the hearings, also tried multiple times to rein
    Giuliani in."Mr. Giuliani, I understand your frustration, but this is not the point at which you should argue your claims," he said. "Just answer the questions. Thank you."Earlier in the day, Bernius interrupted another long-winded rant from Giuliani to
    remind him that he was testifying as a witness.The former mayor then said he had been "persecuted for three or more years" and that his actions were taken out of context."You've been a trial lawyer for a long time, and you understand how the process
    works," Bernius said. "The process is regularized."

    WAYNE SOUNDS MORE LIKE FAT HARRY EVERY DAY.
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  • From True North@21:1/5 to justan on Wed Dec 7 07:09:26 2022
    On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 23:47:56 UTC-4, justan wrote:
    "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
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    It looks like Rudy is in hot water - well deserved I might add.https://www.businessinsider.com/giuliani-struggled-to-answer-basic-questions-attorney-disciplinary-hearing-2022-12Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York appeared Monday as the first
    witness in his own attorney-misconduct hearing. The proceedings quickly became combative as the opposing counsel dinged Giuliani for failing to answer straightforward questions and frequently veering off course.The ethics case, brought by the Washington,
    DC, bar's Office of Disciplinary Counsel, zeroes in on Giuliani's effort to overturn the 2020 election results in Pennsylvania when he was then-President Donald Trump's personal attorney. Specifically, the office alleges that the former New York mayor
    filed a "frivolous" lawsuit seeking to nullify Pennsylvania's presidential-election results, despite the fact that there was "no factual or legal basis" for Giuliani's claims of widespread voter fraud.By filing the lawsuit, the office said, Giuliani
    violated the Pennsylvania Rules of Professional Conduct and "engaged in conduct prejudicial to the administration of justice."On Monday, Hamilton Fox, the disciplinary counsel, said in his opening arguments that Giuliani "weaponized his law license" in
    an effort to undermine the Constitution."Mr. Giuliani was responsible for filing a frivolous action asking a court in Pennsylvania to deny millions of people the right to vote," Fox said during the virtual hearing.Fox grew increasingly frustrated with
    Giuliani as the proceedings went on. At one point, he was trying to get more details from Giuliani about his role in litigating the Pennsylvania case, but the former mayor repeatedly veered off course and started airing nonsense allegations of voter
    fraud in other states."Mr. Giuliani, I am trying to find out what your role was in writing — in drafting — the initial complaint in Pennsylvania," Fox said. "I'm asking you what time it is, and you're telling me how to make a watch.""Well, you know,
    I really do think you should let me answer the question so I can get the context in which I was operating," Giuliani said. "So you don't create the false impression that all my time and attention was given to one matter when that was not the case."Later
    in the hearing, Giuliani was again reminded that he was there to answer questions as a witness when he started opining on a 5-2 Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling about voting procedures in the state."I recall this very, very clearly," Giuliani said of
    the ruling. "This is a very debatable opinion."Fox ignored Giuliani and pointed out that the ruling held that election observers "be permitted to remain in the room where the ballots are being counted.""So you would agree that my position is reasonable,
    since it was the same position as" the dissenters, Giuliani said, adding: "It was hardly — "Fox cut him off, saying, "Mr. Giuliani, I ask the questions."Robert Bernius, a retired lawyer who presided over the hearings, also tried multiple times to rein
    Giuliani in."Mr. Giuliani, I understand your frustration, but this is not the point at which you should argue your claims," he said. "Just answer the questions. Thank you."Earlier in the day, Bernius interrupted another long-winded rant from Giuliani to
    remind him that he was testifying as a witness.The former mayor then said he had been "persecuted for three or more years" and that his actions were taken out of context."You've been a trial lawyer for a long time, and you understand how the process
    works," Bernius said. "The process is regularized."

    WAYNE SOUNDS MORE LIKE FAT HARRY EVERY DAY.
    --
    Vote the straight GOP ticket to save the USA and the world as we
    know it.


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    Why....because he is quite adept at outing y'all and your ilk?

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  • From justan@21:1/5 to princecraft49@gmail.com on Wed Dec 7 08:24:28 2022
    On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 07:09:26 -0800 (PST), True North
    <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 23:47:56 UTC-4, justan wrote:
    "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
    Wrote in message:r
    It looks like Rudy is in hot water - well deserved I might add.https://www.businessinsider.com/giuliani-struggled-to-answer-basic-questions-attorney-disciplinary-hearing-2022-12Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York appeared Monday as the first
    witness in his own attorney-misconduct hearing. The proceedings quickly became combative as the opposing counsel dinged Giuliani for failing to answer straightforward questions and frequently veering off course.The ethics case, brought by the Washington,
    DC, bar's Office of Disciplinary Counsel, zeroes in on Giuliani's effort to overturn the 2020 election results in Pennsylvania when he was then-President Donald Trump's personal attorney. Specifically, the office alleges that the former New York mayor
    filed a "frivolous" lawsuit seeking to nullify Pennsylvania's presidential-election results, despite the fact that there was "no factual or legal basis" for Giuliani's claims of widespread voter fraud.By filing the lawsuit, the office said,
    Giuliani violated the Pennsylvania Rules of Professional Conduct and "engaged in conduct prejudicial to the administration of justice."On Monday, Hamilton Fox, the disciplinary counsel, said in his opening arguments that Giuliani "weaponized his law
    license" in an effort to undermine the Constitution."Mr. Giuliani was responsible for filing a frivolous action asking a court in Pennsylvania to deny millions of people the right to vote," Fox said during the virtual hearing.Fox grew increasingly
    frustrated with Giuliani as the proceedings went on. At one point, he was trying to get more details from Giuliani about his role in litigating the Pennsylvania case, but the former mayor repeatedly veered off course and started airing nonsense
    allegations of voter fraud in other states."Mr. Giuliani, I am trying to find out what your role was in writing — in drafting — the initial complaint in Pennsylvania," Fox said. "I'm asking you what time it is, and you're telling me how to make a
    watch.""Well, you know, I really do think you should let me answer the question so I can get the context in which I was operating," Giuliani said. "So you don't create the false impression that all my time and attention was given to one matter when that
    was not the case."Later in the hearing, Giuliani was again reminded that he was there to answer questions as a witness when he started opining on a 5-2 Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling about voting procedures in the state."I recall this very, very
    clearly," Giuliani said of the ruling. "This is a very debatable opinion."Fox ignored Giuliani and pointed out that the ruling held that election observers "be permitted to remain in the room where the ballots are being counted.""So you would agree that
    my position is reasonable, since it was the same position as" the dissenters, Giuliani said, adding: "It was hardly — "Fox cut him off, saying, "Mr. Giuliani, I ask the questions."Robert Bernius, a retired lawyer who presided over the
    hearings, also tried multiple times to rein Giuliani in."Mr. Giuliani, I understand your frustration, but this is not the point at which you should argue your claims," he said. "Just answer the questions. Thank you."Earlier in the day, Bernius
    interrupted another long-winded rant from Giuliani to remind him that he was testifying as a witness.The former mayor then said he had been "persecuted for three or more years" and that his actions were taken out of context."You've been a trial lawyer
    for a long time, and you understand how the process works," Bernius said. "The process is regularized."

    WAYNE SOUNDS MORE LIKE FAT HARRY EVERY DAY.
    --
    Vote the straight GOP ticket to save the USA and the world as we
    know it.


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    Why....because he is quite adept at outing y'all and your ilk?

    It's because I'm a little whiney bitch!

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  • From True North@21:1/5 to justan on Wed Dec 7 10:28:12 2022
    On Wednesday, 7 December 2022 at 12:25:44 UTC-4, justan wrote:
    On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 07:09:26 -0800 (PST), True North
    <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 23:47:56 UTC-4, justan wrote:
    "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
    Wrote in message:r
    It looks like Rudy is in hot water - well deserved I might add.https://www.businessinsider.com/giuliani-struggled-to-answer-basic-questions-attorney-disciplinary-hearing-2022-12Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York appeared Monday as the first
    witness in his own attorney-misconduct hearing. The proceedings quickly became combative as the opposing counsel dinged Giuliani for failing to answer straightforward questions and frequently veering off course.The ethics case, brought by the Washington,
    DC, bar's Office of Disciplinary Counsel, zeroes in on Giuliani's effort to overturn the 2020 election results in Pennsylvania when he was then-President Donald Trump's personal attorney. Specifically, the office alleges that the former New York mayor
    filed a "frivolous" lawsuit seeking to nullify Pennsylvania's presidential-election results, despite the fact that there was "no factual or legal basis" for Giuliani's claims of widespread voter fraud.By filing the lawsuit, the office said,
    Giuliani violated the Pennsylvania Rules of Professional Conduct and "engaged in conduct prejudicial to the administration of justice."On Monday, Hamilton Fox, the disciplinary counsel, said in his opening arguments that Giuliani "weaponized his law
    license" in an effort to undermine the Constitution."Mr. Giuliani was responsible for filing a frivolous action asking a court in Pennsylvania to deny millions of people the right to vote," Fox said during the virtual hearing.Fox grew increasingly
    frustrated with Giuliani as the proceedings went on. At one point, he was trying to get more details from Giuliani about his role in litigating the Pennsylvania case, but the former mayor repeatedly veered off course and started airing nonsense
    allegations of voter fraud in other states."Mr. Giuliani, I am trying to find out what your role was in writing — in drafting — the initial complaint in Pennsylvania," Fox said. "I'm asking you what time it is, and you're telling me how to make a
    watch.""Well, you know, I really do think you should let me answer the question so I can get the context in which I was operating," Giuliani said. "So you don't create the false impression that all my time and attention was given to one matter when
    that was not the case."Later in the hearing, Giuliani was again reminded that he was there to answer questions as a witness when he started opining on a 5-2 Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling about voting procedures in the state."I recall this very, very
    clearly," Giuliani said of the ruling. "This is a very debatable opinion."Fox ignored Giuliani and pointed out that the ruling held that election observers "be permitted to remain in the room where the ballots are being counted.""So you would agree that
    my position is reasonable, since it was the same position as" the dissenters, Giuliani said, adding: "It was hardly — "Fox cut him off, saying, "Mr. Giuliani, I ask the questions."Robert Bernius, a retired lawyer who presided over the
    hearings, also tried multiple times to rein Giuliani in."Mr. Giuliani, I understand your frustration, but this is not the point at which you should argue your claims," he said. "Just answer the questions. Thank you."Earlier in the day, Bernius
    interrupted another long-winded rant from Giuliani to remind him that he was testifying as a witness.The former mayor then said he had been "persecuted for three or more years" and that his actions were taken out of context."You've been a trial lawyer
    for a long time, and you understand how the process works," Bernius said. "The process is regularized."

    WAYNE SOUNDS MORE LIKE FAT HARRY EVERY DAY.
    --
    Vote the straight GOP ticket to save the USA and the world as we
    know it.


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    Why....because he is quite adept at outing y'all and your ilk?
    It's because I'm a little whiney bitch!


    I agree wholeheartedly and unequivocally with this post!
    Good for you, Justine. As Dr Phil says.."you can't change what you don't acknowledge".

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to justan on Thu Dec 8 06:12:03 2022
    justan <me@here.com> wrote:
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>
    Wrote in message:r
    It looks like Rudy is in hot water - well deserved I might
    add.https://www.businessinsider.com/giuliani-struggled-to-answer-basic-questions-attorney-disciplinary-hearing-2022-12Former
    Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York appeared Monday as the first witness in
    his own attorney-misconduct hearing. The proceedings quickly became
    combative as the opposing counsel dinged Giuliani for failing to answer
    straightforward questions and frequently veering off course.The ethics
    case, brought by the Washington, DC, bar's Office of Disciplinary
    Counsel, zeroes in on Giuliani's effort to overturn the 2020 election
    results in Pennsylvania when he was then-President Donald Trump's
    personal attorney. Specifically, the office alleges that the former New
    York mayor filed a "frivolous" lawsuit seeking to nullify Pennsylvania's
    presidential-election results, despite the fact that there was "no
    factual or legal basis" for Giuliani's claims of widespread voter
    fraud.By filing the lawsuit, the office said, Giuliani violated the
    Pennsylvania Rules of Professional Conduct and "engaged in conduct
    prejudicial to the administration of justice."On Monday, Hamilton Fox,
    the disciplinary counsel, said in his opening arguments that Giuliani
    "weaponized his law license" in an effort to undermine the
    Constitution."Mr. Giuliani was responsible for filing a frivolous action
    asking a court in Pennsylvania to deny millions of people the right to
    vote," Fox said during the virtual hearing.Fox grew increasingly
    frustrated with Giuliani as the proceedings went on. At one point, he
    was trying to get more details from Giuliani about his role in
    litigating the Pennsylvania case, but the former mayor repeatedly veered
    off course and started airing nonsense allegations of voter fraud in
    other states."Mr. Giuliani, I am trying to find out what your role was
    in writing — in drafting — the initial complaint in Pennsylvania," Fox >> said. "I'm asking you what time it is, and you're telling me how to make
    a watch.""Well, you know, I really do think you should let me answer the
    question so I can get the context in which I was operating," Giuliani
    said. "So you don't create the false impression that all my time and
    attention was given to one matter when that was not the case."Later in
    the hearing, Giuliani was again reminded that he was there to answer
    questions as a witness when he started opining on a 5-2 Pennsylvania
    Supreme Court ruling about voting procedures in the state."I recall this
    very, very clearly," Giuliani said of the ruling. "This is a very
    debatable opinion."Fox ignored Giuliani and pointed out that the ruling
    held that election observers "be permitted to remain in the room where
    the ballots are being counted.""So you would agree that my position is
    reasonable, since it was the same position as" the dissenters, Giuliani
    said, adding: "It was hardly — "Fox cut him off, saying, "Mr. Giuliani,
    I ask the questions."Robert Bernius, a retired lawyer who presided over
    the hearings, also tried multiple times to rein Giuliani in."Mr.
    Giuliani, I understand your frustration, but this is not the point at
    which you should argue your claims," he said. "Just answer the
    questions. Thank you."Earlier in the day, Bernius interrupted another
    long-winded rant from Giuliani to remind him that he was testifying as a
    witness.The former mayor then said he had been "persecuted for three or
    more years" and that his actions were taken out of context."You've been
    a trial lawyer for a long time, and you understand how the process
    works," Bernius said. "The process is regularized."

    WAYNE SOUNDS MORE LIKE FAT HARRY EVERY DAY.

    With all the ONLY prosecutions on many of these investigations for being
    lied to the authorities, I think the smart thing is do not say anything.

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  • From justan@21:1/5 to True North on Thu Dec 8 12:38:06 2022
    True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 23:47:56 UTC-4, justan wrote:> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r > > It looks like Rudy is in hot water - well deserved I might add.https://www.businessinsider.com/giuliani-struggled-
    to-answer-basic-questions-attorney-disciplinary-hearing-2022-12Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York appeared Monday as the first witness in his own attorney-misconduct hearing. The proceedings quickly became combative as the opposing counsel dinged
    Giuliani for failing to answer straightforward questions and frequently veering off course.The ethics case, brought by the Washington, DC, bar's Office of Disciplinary Counsel, zeroes in on Giuliani's effort to overturn the 2020 election results in
    Pennsylvania when he was then-President Donald Trump's personal attorney. Specifically, the office alleges that the former New York mayor filed a "frivolous" lawsuit seeking to nullify Pennsylvania's presidential-election results, despite the fact that
    there was "no factual or legal basis" for Giuliani's claims of widespread voter fraud.By filing the lawsuit, the office said, Giuliani violated the Pennsylvania Rules of Professional Conduct and "engaged in conduct prejudicial to the administration of
    justice."On Monday, Hamilton Fox, the disciplinary counsel, said in his opening arguments that Giuliani "weaponized his law license" in an effort to undermine the Constitution."Mr. Giuliani was responsible for filing a frivolous action asking a court in
    Pennsylvania to deny millions of people the right to vote," Fox said during the virtual hearing.Fox grew increasingly frustrated with Giuliani as the proceedings went on. At one point, he was trying to get more details from Giuliani about his role in
    litigating the Pennsylvania case, but the former mayor repeatedly veered off course and started airing nonsense allegations of voter fraud in other states."Mr. Giuliani, I am trying to find out what your role was in writing ¡X in drafting ¡X the initial
    complaint in Pennsylvania," Fox said. "I'm asking you what time it is, and you're telling me how to make a watch.""Well, you know, I really do think you should let me answer the question so I can get the context in which I was operating," Giuliani said. "
    So you don't create the false impression that all my time and attention was given to one matter when that was not the case."Later in the hearing, Giuliani was again reminded that he was there to answer questions as a witness when he started opining on a
    5-2 Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling about voting procedures in the state."I recall this very, very clearly," Giuliani said of the ruling. "This is a very debatable opinion."Fox ignored Giuliani and pointed out that the ruling held that election
    observers "be permitted to remain in the room where the ballots are being counted.""So you would agree that my position is reasonable, since it was the same position as" the dissenters, Giuliani said, adding: "It was hardly ¡X "Fox cut him off, saying, "
    Mr. Giuliani, I ask the questions."Robert Bernius, a retired lawyer who presided over the hearings, also tried multiple times to rein Giuliani in."Mr. Giuliani, I understand your frustration, but this is not the point at which you should argue your
    claims," he said. "Just answer the questions. Thank you."Earlier in the day, Bernius interrupted another long-winded rant from Giuliani to remind him that he was testifying as a witness.The former mayor then said he had been "persecuted for three or more
    years" and that his actions were taken out of context."You've been a trial lawyer for a long time, and you understand how the process works," Bernius said. "The process is regularized." > > WAYNE SOUNDS MORE LIKE FAT HARRY EVERY DAY. > -- > Vote the
    straight GOP ticket to save the USA and the world as we > know it. > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlWhy....because he is quite adept at outing y'all and your ilk?

    Donny, you have a bad habit of sticking your head in dark smelly
    places. Thank god most kanuckers aren't as dumb as you
    are.
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  • From True North@21:1/5 to justan on Thu Dec 8 11:14:50 2022
    On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 13:38:07 UTC-4, justan wrote:
    True North <prince...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 23:47:56 UTC-4, justan wrote:> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r > > It looks like Rudy is in hot water - well deserved I might add.https://www.businessinsider.com/giuliani-struggled-
    to-answer-basic-questions-attorney-disciplinary-hearing-2022-12Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York appeared Monday as the first witness in his own attorney-misconduct hearing. The proceedings quickly became combative as the opposing counsel dinged
    Giuliani for failing to answer straightforward questions and frequently veering off course.The ethics case, brought by the Washington, DC, bar's Office of Disciplinary Counsel, zeroes in on Giuliani's effort to overturn the 2020 election results in
    Pennsylvania when he was then-President Donald Trump's personal attorney. Specifically, the office alleges that the former New York mayor filed a "frivolous" lawsuit seeking to nullify Pennsylvania's presidential-election results, despite the fact that
    there was "no factual or legal basis" for Giuliani's claims of widespread voter fraud.By filing the lawsuit, the office said, Giuliani violated the Pennsylvania Rules of Professional Conduct and "engaged in conduct prejudicial to the administration of
    justice."On Monday, Hamilton Fox, the disciplinary counsel, said in his opening arguments that Giuliani "weaponized his law license" in an effort to undermine the Constitution."Mr. Giuliani was responsible for filing a frivolous action asking a court in
    Pennsylvania to deny millions of people the right to vote," Fox said during the virtual hearing.Fox grew increasingly frustrated with Giuliani as the proceedings went on. At one point, he was trying to get more details from Giuliani about his role in
    litigating the Pennsylvania case, but the former mayor repeatedly veered off course and started airing nonsense allegations of voter fraud in other states."Mr. Giuliani, I am trying to find out what your role was in writing — in drafting — the
    initial complaint in Pennsylvania," Fox said. "I'm asking you what time it is, and you're telling me how to make a watch.""Well, you know, I really do think you should let me answer the question so I can get the context in which I was operating,"
    Giuliani said. "So you don't create the false impression that all my time and attention was given to one matter when that was not the case."Later in the hearing, Giuliani was again reminded that he was there to answer questions as a witness when he
    started opining on a 5-2 Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling about voting procedures in the state."I recall this very, very clearly," Giuliani said of the ruling. "This is a very debatable opinion."Fox ignored Giuliani and pointed out that the ruling held
    that election observers "be permitted to remain in the room where the ballots are being counted.""So you would agree that my position is reasonable, since it was the same position as" the dissenters, Giuliani said, adding: "It was hardly — "Fox cut him
    off, saying, "Mr. Giuliani, I ask the questions."Robert Bernius, a retired lawyer who presided over the hearings, also tried multiple times to rein Giuliani in."Mr. Giuliani, I understand your frustration, but this is not the point at which you should
    argue your claims," he said. "Just answer the questions. Thank you."Earlier in the day, Bernius interrupted another long-winded rant from Giuliani to remind him that he was testifying as a witness.The former mayor then said he had been "persecuted for
    three or more years" and that his actions were taken out of context."You've been a trial lawyer for a long time, and you understand how the process works," Bernius said. "The process is regularized." > > WAYNE SOUNDS MORE LIKE FAT HARRY EVERY DAY. > -- >
    Vote the straight GOP ticket to save the USA and the world as we > know it. > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlWhy....because he is quite adept at outing y'all and your ilk?

    Donny, you have a bad habit of sticking your head in dark smelly
    places. Thank god most kanuckers aren't as dumb as you
    are.
    --


    Are y'all referring to this group?
    I suppose y'all have a point considering how it's dominated by The John and his Bowl of Turds.
    "dark smelly places" indeed!

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  • From justan@21:1/5 to True North on Thu Dec 8 15:48:53 2022
    True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 13:38:07 UTC-4, justan wrote:> True North <prince...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 23:47:56 UTC-4, justan wrote:> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r >
    It looks like Rudy is in hot water - well deserved I might add.https://www.businessinsider.com/giuliani-struggled-to-answer-basic-questions-attorney-disciplinary-hearing-2022-12Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York appeared Monday as the first
    witness in his own attorney-misconduct hearing. The proceedings quickly became combative as the opposing counsel dinged Giuliani for failing to answer straightforward questions and frequently veering off course.The ethics case, brought by the Washington,
    DC, bar's Office of Disciplinary Counsel, zeroes in on Giuliani's effort to overturn the 2020 election results in Pennsylvania when he was then-President Donald Trump's personal attorney. Specifically, the office alleges that the former New York mayor
    filed a "frivolous" lawsuit seeking to nullify Pennsylvania's presidential-election results, despite the fact that there was "no factual or legal basis" for Giuliani's claims of widespread voter fraud.By filing the lawsuit, the office said, Giuliani
    violated the Pennsylvania Rules of Professional Conduct and "engaged in conduct prejudicial to the administration of justice."On Monday, Hamilton Fox, the disciplinary counsel, said in his opening arguments that Giuliani "weaponized his law license" in
    an effort to undermine the Constitution."Mr. Giuliani was responsible for filing a frivolous action asking a court in Pennsylvania to deny millions of people the right to vote," Fox said during the virtual hearing.Fox grew increasingly frustrated with
    Giuliani as the proceedings went on. At one point, he was trying to get more details from Giuliani about his role in litigating the Pennsylvania case, but the former mayor repeatedly veered off course and started airing nonsense allegations of voter
    fraud in other states."Mr. Giuliani, I am trying to find out what your role was in writing ¡X in drafting ¡X the initial complaint in Pennsylvania," Fox said. "I'm asking you what time it is, and you're telling me how to make a watch.""Well, you know, I
    really do think you should let me answer the question so I can get the context in which I was operating," Giuliani said. "So you don't create the false impression that all my time and attention was given to one matter when that was not the case."Later in
    the hearing, Giuliani was again reminded that he was there to answer questions as a witness when he started opining on a 5-2 Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling about voting procedures in the state."I recall this very, very clearly," Giuliani said of the
    ruling. "This is a very debatable opinion."Fox ignored Giuliani and pointed out that the ruling held that election observers "be permitted to remain in the room where the ballots are being counted.""So you would agree that my position is reasonable,
    since it was the same position as" the dissenters, Giuliani said, adding: "It was hardly ¡X "Fox cut him off, saying, "Mr. Giuliani, I ask the questions."Robert Bernius, a retired lawyer who presided over the hearings, also tried multiple times to rein
    Giuliani in."Mr. Giuliani, I understand your frustration, but this is not the point at which you should argue your claims," he said. "Just answer the questions. Thank you."Earlier in the day, Bernius interrupted another long-winded rant from Giuliani to
    remind him that he was testifying as a witness.The former mayor then said he had been "persecuted for three or more years" and that his actions were taken out of context."You've been a trial lawyer for a long time, and you understand how the process
    works," Bernius said. "The process is regularized." > > WAYNE SOUNDS MORE LIKE FAT HARRY EVERY DAY. > -- > Vote the straight GOP ticket to save the USA and the world as we > know it. > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.
    amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlWhy....because he is quite adept at outing y'all and your ilk? > > Donny, you have a bad habit of sticking your head in dark smelly > places. Thank god most kanuckers aren't as dumb as you > are.> -- Are y'all referring to
    this group?I suppose y'all have a point considering how it's dominated by The John and his Bowl of Turds."dark smelly places" indeed!

    Nope.
    --
    Vote the straight GOP ticket to save the USA and the world as we
    know it.


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  • From justan@21:1/5 to justan on Thu Dec 8 15:08:28 2022
    On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 12:38:06 -0500 (EST), justan <me@here.com> wrote:

    True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 23:47:56 UTC-4, justan wrote:> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r > > It looks like Rudy is in hot water - well deserved I might add.https://www.businessinsider.com/giuliani-struggled-
    to-answer-basic-questions-attorney-disciplinary-hearing-2022-12Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York appeared Monday as the first witness in his own attorney-misconduct hearing. The proceedings quickly became combative as the opposing counsel dinged
    Giuliani for failing to answer straightforward questions and frequently veering off course.The ethics case, brought by the Washington, DC, bar's Office of Disciplinary Counsel, zeroes in on Giuliani's effort to overturn the 2020 election results in
    Pennsylvania when he was then-President Donald Trump's personal attorney. Specifically, the office alleges that the former New York mayor filed a "frivolous" lawsuit seeking to nullify Pennsylvania's presidential-election results, despite the
    fact that there was "no factual or legal basis" for Giuliani's claims of widespread voter fraud.By filing the lawsuit, the office said, Giuliani violated the Pennsylvania Rules of Professional Conduct and "engaged in conduct prejudicial to the
    administration of justice."On Monday, Hamilton Fox, the disciplinary counsel, said in his opening arguments that Giuliani "weaponized his law license" in an effort to undermine the Constitution."Mr. Giuliani was responsible for filing a frivolous action
    asking a court in Pennsylvania to deny millions of people the right to vote," Fox said during the virtual hearing.Fox grew increasingly frustrated with Giuliani as the proceedings went on. At one point, he was trying to get more details from Giuliani
    about his role in litigating the Pennsylvania case, but the former mayor repeatedly veered off course and started airing nonsense allegations of voter fraud in other states."Mr. Giuliani, I am trying to find out what your role was in writing ?X in
    drafting ?X the initial complaint in Pennsylvania," Fox said. "I'm asking you what time it is, and you're telling me how to make a watch.""Well, you know, I really do think you should let me answer the question so I can get the context in which I was
    operating," Giuliani said. "So you don't create the false impression that all my time and attention was given to one matter when that was not the case."Later in the hearing, Giuliani was again reminded that he was there to answer questions as a witness
    when he started opining on a 5-2 Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling about voting procedures in the state."I recall this very, very clearly," Giuliani said of the ruling. "This is a very debatable opinion."Fox ignored Giuliani and pointed out that the
    ruling held that election observers "be permitted to remain in the room where the ballots are being counted.""So you would agree that my position is reasonable, since it was the same position as" the dissenters, Giuliani said, adding: "It was
    hardly ?X "Fox cut him off, saying, "Mr. Giuliani, I ask the questions."Robert Bernius, a retired lawyer who presided over the hearings, also tried multiple times to rein Giuliani in."Mr. Giuliani, I understand your frustration, but this is not the
    point at which you should argue your claims," he said. "Just answer the questions. Thank you."Earlier in the day, Bernius interrupted another long-winded rant from Giuliani to remind him that he was testifying as a witness.The former mayor then said he
    had been "persecuted for three or more years" and that his actions were taken out of context."You've been a trial lawyer for a long time, and you understand how the process works," Bernius said. "The process is regularized." > > WAYNE SOUNDS MORE LIKE
    FAT HARRY EVERY DAY. > -- > Vote the straight GOP ticket to save the USA and the world as we > know it. > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlWhy....because he is quite adept at
    outing y'all and your ilk?

    Donny, you have a bad habit of sticking your head in dark smelly
    places. Thank god most kanuckers aren't as dumb as you
    are.

    And, I have a lot of experience sticking my head up dark smelly
    places!

    Trump 2024! Even from prison!

    --
    Vote the straight GOP ticket to save the USA and the world as we
    know it.

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  • From justan@21:1/5 to califbill9998remove8@gmail.com on Thu Dec 8 15:09:09 2022
    On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 06:12:03 -0000 (UTC), Bill
    <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

    justan <me@here.com> wrote:
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>
    Wrote in message:r
    It looks like Rudy is in hot water - well deserved I might
    add.https://www.businessinsider.com/giuliani-struggled-to-answer-basic-questions-attorney-disciplinary-hearing-2022-12Former
    Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York appeared Monday as the first witness in
    his own attorney-misconduct hearing. The proceedings quickly became
    combative as the opposing counsel dinged Giuliani for failing to answer
    straightforward questions and frequently veering off course.The ethics
    case, brought by the Washington, DC, bar's Office of Disciplinary
    Counsel, zeroes in on Giuliani's effort to overturn the 2020 election
    results in Pennsylvania when he was then-President Donald Trump's
    personal attorney. Specifically, the office alleges that the former New
    York mayor filed a "frivolous" lawsuit seeking to nullify Pennsylvania's >>> presidential-election results, despite the fact that there was "no
    factual or legal basis" for Giuliani's claims of widespread voter
    fraud.By filing the lawsuit, the office said, Giuliani violated the
    Pennsylvania Rules of Professional Conduct and "engaged in conduct
    prejudicial to the administration of justice."On Monday, Hamilton Fox,
    the disciplinary counsel, said in his opening arguments that Giuliani
    "weaponized his law license" in an effort to undermine the
    Constitution."Mr. Giuliani was responsible for filing a frivolous action >>> asking a court in Pennsylvania to deny millions of people the right to
    vote," Fox said during the virtual hearing.Fox grew increasingly
    frustrated with Giuliani as the proceedings went on. At one point, he
    was trying to get more details from Giuliani about his role in
    litigating the Pennsylvania case, but the former mayor repeatedly veered >>> off course and started airing nonsense allegations of voter fraud in
    other states."Mr. Giuliani, I am trying to find out what your role was
    in writing — in drafting — the initial complaint in Pennsylvania," Fox
    said. "I'm asking you what time it is, and you're telling me how to make >>> a watch.""Well, you know, I really do think you should let me answer the >>> question so I can get the context in which I was operating," Giuliani
    said. "So you don't create the false impression that all my time and
    attention was given to one matter when that was not the case."Later in
    the hearing, Giuliani was again reminded that he was there to answer
    questions as a witness when he started opining on a 5-2 Pennsylvania
    Supreme Court ruling about voting procedures in the state."I recall this >>> very, very clearly," Giuliani said of the ruling. "This is a very
    debatable opinion."Fox ignored Giuliani and pointed out that the ruling
    held that election observers "be permitted to remain in the room where
    the ballots are being counted.""So you would agree that my position is
    reasonable, since it was the same position as" the dissenters, Giuliani
    said, adding: "It was hardly — "Fox cut him off, saying, "Mr. Giuliani,
    I ask the questions."Robert Bernius, a retired lawyer who presided over
    the hearings, also tried multiple times to rein Giuliani in."Mr.
    Giuliani, I understand your frustration, but this is not the point at
    which you should argue your claims," he said. "Just answer the
    questions. Thank you."Earlier in the day, Bernius interrupted another
    long-winded rant from Giuliani to remind him that he was testifying as a >>> witness.The former mayor then said he had been "persecuted for three or
    more years" and that his actions were taken out of context."You've been
    a trial lawyer for a long time, and you understand how the process
    works," Bernius said. "The process is regularized."

    WAYNE SOUNDS MORE LIKE FAT HARRY EVERY DAY.

    With all the ONLY prosecutions on many of these investigations for being
    lied to the authorities, I think the smart thing is do not say anything.

    Shut up spoofer!

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    know it.

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