• DE story for Richard

    From Bill@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 5 17:01:53 2022
    At lunch with a buddy Wednesday. He was telling about one of his DE experiences. They and one other DE were sent to escort a carrier during a typhoon. They were there in case the carrier lost power and needed a tow.
    He was laughing when he was telling about a 2” tow line from the carrier
    to the DE’s. Like those little ships could do an effective tow.

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  • From amdx@21:1/5 to Bill on Fri Aug 5 13:49:20 2022
    On 8/5/2022 12:01 PM, Bill wrote:
    At lunch with a buddy Wednesday. He was telling about one of his DE experiences. They and one other DE were sent to escort a carrier during a typhoon. They were there in case the carrier lost power and needed a tow.
    He was laughing when he was telling about a 2” tow line from the carrier to the DE’s. Like those little ships could do an effective tow.

    I have buddy that does marine built, salvage, groundings etc.
    He had a long 2" tow rope, one of his employees, stole it and cut it
    in half. He got caught, and my buddy got two ropes back, but it's not
    what he had.

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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to Bill on Fri Aug 5 16:03:21 2022
    On 8/5/2022 1:01 PM, Bill wrote:

    At lunch with a buddy Wednesday. He was telling about one of his DE experiences. They and one other DE were sent to escort a carrier during a typhoon. They were there in case the carrier lost power and needed a tow.
    He was laughing when he was telling about a 2” tow line from the carrier to the DE’s. Like those little ships could do an effective tow.


    If I were towing a carrier with a DE I'd be far more concerned with
    how to stop.

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  • From John H@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 5 17:02:26 2022
    On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 16:03:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 8/5/2022 1:01 PM, Bill wrote:

    At lunch with a buddy Wednesday. He was telling about one of his DE
    experiences. They and one other DE were sent to escort a carrier during a >> typhoon. They were there in case the carrier lost power and needed a tow. >> He was laughing when he was telling about a 2 tow line from the carrier >> to the DEs. Like those little ships could do an effective tow.


    If I were towing a carrier with a DE I'd be far more concerned with
    how to stop.

    I'd probably cut the rope and run! (Of course, that's from an Army
    guy.)

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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 5 17:11:57 2022
    On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 16:03:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 8/5/2022 1:01 PM, Bill wrote:

    At lunch with a buddy Wednesday. He was telling about one of his DE
    experiences. They and one other DE were sent to escort a carrier during a >> typhoon. They were there in case the carrier lost power and needed a tow. >> He was laughing when he was telling about a 2” tow line from the carrier >> to the DE’s. Like those little ships could do an effective tow.


    If I were towing a carrier with a DE I'd be far more concerned with
    how to stop.

    I wouldn't stop.
    Release the tow and right full rudder :-)
    FORE!
    I actually did that once pulling a 40' pontoon tour boat full of pax
    but we were going slow enough that it just drifted up to the dock and
    the mate looped a line over a piling and stopped it. I was surprised
    at how well it worked.


    I assume they actually anticipate the stop and gradually reduce speed
    until they are both dead in the water and wait for the tugs.
    It would certainly be an asshole puckering event for a DE to be towing
    a carrier in a storm tho.
    I guess the assumption is the DE is expendable ... but aren't they
    anyway?
    Maybe they just tie it to the stern as a sea anchor.

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  • From True North@21:1/5 to John H on Fri Aug 5 14:48:09 2022
    On Friday, 5 August 2022 at 18:02:29 UTC-3, John H wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 16:03:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
    wrote:
    On 8/5/2022 1:01 PM, Bill wrote:

    At lunch with a buddy Wednesday. He was telling about one of his DE
    experiences. They and one other DE were sent to escort a carrier during a >> typhoon. They were there in case the carrier lost power and needed a tow. >> He was laughing when he was telling about a 2” tow line from the carrier
    to the DE’s. Like those little ships could do an effective tow.


    If I were towing a carrier with a DE I'd be far more concerned with
    how to stop.
    I'd probably cut the rope and run! (Of course, that's from an Army
    guy.)


    SNERK!
    "Cut and run".......where have we heard that before?

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  • From John H@21:1/5 to princecraft49@gmail.com on Fri Aug 5 19:35:13 2022
    On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 14:48:09 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 5 August 2022 at 18:02:29 UTC-3, John H wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 16:03:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
    wrote:
    On 8/5/2022 1:01 PM, Bill wrote:

    At lunch with a buddy Wednesday. He was telling about one of his DE
    experiences. They and one other DE were sent to escort a carrier during a >> >> typhoon. They were there in case the carrier lost power and needed a tow. >> >> He was laughing when he was telling about a 2 tow line from the carrier >> >> to the DEs. Like those little ships could do an effective tow.


    If I were towing a carrier with a DE I'd be far more concerned with
    how to stop.
    I'd probably cut the rope and run! (Of course, that's from an Army
    guy.)


    SNERK!
    "Cut and run".......where have we heard that before?

    Where, besides Biden's Afghan departure and you, when your wife asked,
    "Is it in yet, Donnie?"

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  • From Alex@21:1/5 to True North on Fri Aug 5 21:59:42 2022
    True North wrote:
    On Friday, 5 August 2022 at 18:02:29 UTC-3, John H wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 16:03:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
    wrote:
    On 8/5/2022 1:01 PM, Bill wrote:
    At lunch with a buddy Wednesday. He was telling about one of his DE
    experiences. They and one other DE were sent to escort a carrier during a >>>> typhoon. They were there in case the carrier lost power and needed a tow. >>>> He was laughing when he was telling about a 2” tow line from the carrier >>>> to the DE’s. Like those little ships could do an effective tow.

    If I were towing a carrier with a DE I'd be far more concerned with
    how to stop.
    I'd probably cut the rope and run! (Of course, that's from an Army
    guy.)

    SNERK!
    "Cut and run".......where have we heard that before?

    Damn, you are one dumb old man.

    Carry on...

    Jorge/Alex

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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Sat Aug 6 08:02:29 2022
    On 8/5/2022 5:11 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 16:03:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 8/5/2022 1:01 PM, Bill wrote:

    At lunch with a buddy Wednesday. He was telling about one of his DE
    experiences. They and one other DE were sent to escort a carrier during a >>> typhoon. They were there in case the carrier lost power and needed a tow. >>> He was laughing when he was telling about a 2” tow line from the carrier
    to the DE’s. Like those little ships could do an effective tow.


    If I were towing a carrier with a DE I'd be far more concerned with
    how to stop.

    I wouldn't stop.
    Release the tow and right full rudder :-)
    FORE!
    I actually did that once pulling a 40' pontoon tour boat full of pax
    but we were going slow enough that it just drifted up to the dock and
    the mate looped a line over a piling and stopped it. I was surprised
    at how well it worked.


    I assume they actually anticipate the stop and gradually reduce speed
    until they are both dead in the water and wait for the tugs.
    It would certainly be an asshole puckering event for a DE to be towing
    a carrier in a storm tho.
    I guess the assumption is the DE is expendable ... but aren't they
    anyway?
    Maybe they just tie it to the stern as a sea anchor.

    Serving on a couple of DE's in my Navy days was an adventure
    I can't imagine doing now-a-days. We were tossed around like
    a cork in any kind of weather which made doing basic things
    like walking on the deck a challenge.

    I was reading about the various classes of DE's going back to
    those used in WWII until they grew in size and, in the mid
    1970's were re-designated as "Fast Frigates" (FF).

    The class I was stationed on were of the Dealey class designed
    and built in the 1950's. They were slightly larger than those
    of WWII vintage but still tiny compared to today's remaining
    FF's and DLG's. Of the older types though the Dealey class
    DE's at 314' LOA were considered to be the most sea-worthy
    of the DE classes, including those that were intended to
    replace them in later classes. They were rugged little
    ships.

    tinyurl.com/4pzp8cph

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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 6 18:29:09 2022
    On Sat, 6 Aug 2022 08:02:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 8/5/2022 5:11 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 16:03:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 8/5/2022 1:01 PM, Bill wrote:

    At lunch with a buddy Wednesday. He was telling about one of his DE
    experiences. They and one other DE were sent to escort a carrier during a
    typhoon. They were there in case the carrier lost power and needed a tow. >>>> He was laughing when he was telling about a 2” tow line from the carrier
    to the DE’s. Like those little ships could do an effective tow.


    If I were towing a carrier with a DE I'd be far more concerned with
    how to stop.

    I wouldn't stop.
    Release the tow and right full rudder :-)
    FORE!
    I actually did that once pulling a 40' pontoon tour boat full of pax
    but we were going slow enough that it just drifted up to the dock and
    the mate looped a line over a piling and stopped it. I was surprised
    at how well it worked.


    I assume they actually anticipate the stop and gradually reduce speed
    until they are both dead in the water and wait for the tugs.
    It would certainly be an asshole puckering event for a DE to be towing
    a carrier in a storm tho.
    I guess the assumption is the DE is expendable ... but aren't they
    anyway?
    Maybe they just tie it to the stern as a sea anchor.

    Serving on a couple of DE's in my Navy days was an adventure
    I can't imagine doing now-a-days. We were tossed around like
    a cork in any kind of weather which made doing basic things
    like walking on the deck a challenge.

    I was reading about the various classes of DE's going back to
    those used in WWII until they grew in size and, in the mid
    1970's were re-designated as "Fast Frigates" (FF).

    The class I was stationed on were of the Dealey class designed
    and built in the 1950's. They were slightly larger than those
    of WWII vintage but still tiny compared to today's remaining
    FF's and DLG's. Of the older types though the Dealey class
    DE's at 314' LOA were considered to be the most sea-worthy
    of the DE classes, including those that were intended to
    replace them in later classes. They were rugged little
    ships.

    tinyurl.com/4pzp8cph

    The 311' AVPs I was on got pretty bouncy in the North Atlantic but
    when I was on the 210' we were in the Caribbean or down the East Coast
    in places Wayne would go.

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