• Whether or not to prosecute Donald Trump - the impossible choice

    From wayne.beardsley@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 25 08:23:36 2022
    From Grid News, an interesting analysis:

    https://www.grid.news/story/politics/2022/06/16/merrick-garlands-impossible-choice-whether-or-not-to-prosecute-donald-trump

    The Jan. 6 committee is making the case that Trump is part of a criminal conspiracy, but there are many things to consider in a case against the former president.

    The Jan. 6 committee has started to lay out a made-for-TV case against former president Donald Trump, airing video clips and testimony from some of Trump’s closest confidants about his actions during the riots and efforts to change the 2020 election
    results.

    But the decision on whether to bring actual criminal charges against Trump won’t be made by the committee — it will be up to their most important audience member, Attorney General Merrick Garland.

    “It would be unprecedented to have the [Justice Department] from one presidency indicting the defeated opponent and potential repeat opponent of the sitting president,” said former federal prosecutor Samuel Buell. “How do you even conceive of the
    right way to make that decision as a lawyer?”

    Garland will have to weigh if he believes Trump broke the law and if there is a winnable case against him. But he will also need to weigh if prosecuting Trump is the right thing to do.

    If the country would be better-served by not prosecuting a former president, Garland has the discretion to not bring the case and pursue a path that is less divisive among the public. If he does press charges, a trial would likely extend two to three
    years, legal experts say, putting the issue front and center during the 2024 election.

    The committee has said it sees evidence that Trump and his associates were part of a “criminal conspiracy.”

    “I’d like to see the Justice Department investigate any credible allegation of criminal activity, on the part of Donald Trump or anyone else,” Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said recently on ABC’s “This Week.” “The rule of law needs to apply
    equally to everyone.”

    But historically, the federal government has avoided bringing such charges against a president. Those in key positions ultimately landed on the side of bringing the country together and moving on.

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  • From Justan Ohlphart@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 25 14:07:40 2022
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>
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    From Grid News, an interesting analysis:https://www.grid.news/story/politics/2022/06/16/merrick-garlands-impossible-choice-whether-or-not-to-prosecute-donald-trumpThe Jan. 6 committee is making the case that Trump is part of a criminal conspiracy, but
    there are many things to consider in a case against the former president.The Jan. 6 committee has started to lay out a made-for-TV case against former president Donald Trump, airing video clips and testimony from some of Trump?s closest confidants about
    his actions during the riots and efforts to change the 2020 election results.But the decision on whether to bring actual criminal charges against Trump won?t be made by the committee ? it will be up to their most important audience member, Attorney
    General Merrick Garland.?It would be unprecedented to have the [Justice Department] from one presidency indicting the defeated opponent and potential repeat opponent of the sitting president,? said former federal prosecutor Samuel Buell. ?How do you even
    conceive of the right way to make that decision as a lawyer??Garland will have to weigh if he believes Trump broke the law and if there is a winnable case against him. But he will also need to weigh if prosecuting Trump is the right thing to do.If the
    country would be better-served by not prosecuting a former president, Garland has the discretion to not bring the case and pursue a path that is less divisive among the public. If he does press charges, a trial would likely extend two to three years,
    legal experts say, putting the issue front and center during the 2024 election.The committee has said it sees evidence that Trump and his associates were part of a ?criminal conspiracy.??I?d like to see the Justice Department investigate any credible
    allegation of criminal activity, on the part of Donald Trump or anyone else,? Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said recently on ABC?s ?This Week.? ?The rule of law needs to apply equally to everyone.?But historically, the federal government has avoided
    bringing such charges against a president. Those in key positions ultimately landed on the side of bringing the country together and moving on.

    Merrick Garland is bought and paid for. The god ol boy club won't
    let him bring charged against Trump.
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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com on Sat Jun 25 13:16:02 2022
    On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 08:23:36 -0700 (PDT),
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

    From Grid News, an interesting analysis:

    https://www.grid.news/story/politics/2022/06/16/merrick-garlands-impossible-choice-whether-or-not-to-prosecute-donald-trump

    The Jan. 6 committee is making the case that Trump is part of a criminal conspiracy, but there are many things to consider in a case against the former president.

    The Jan. 6 committee has started to lay out a made-for-TV case against former president Donald Trump, airing video clips and testimony from some of Trump’s closest confidants about his actions during the riots and efforts to change the 2020 election
    results.

    But the decision on whether to bring actual criminal charges against Trump won’t be made by the committee — it will be up to their most important audience member, Attorney General Merrick Garland.

    “It would be unprecedented to have the [Justice Department] from one presidency indicting the defeated opponent and potential repeat opponent of the sitting president,” said former federal prosecutor Samuel Buell. “How do you even conceive of the
    right way to make that decision as a lawyer?”

    Garland will have to weigh if he believes Trump broke the law and if there is a winnable case against him. But he will also need to weigh if prosecuting Trump is the right thing to do.

    If the country would be better-served by not prosecuting a former president, Garland has the discretion to not bring the case and pursue a path that is less divisive among the public. If he does press charges, a trial would likely extend two to three
    years, legal experts say, putting the issue front and center during the 2024 election.

    The committee has said it sees evidence that Trump and his associates were part of a “criminal conspiracy.”

    “I’d like to see the Justice Department investigate any credible allegation of criminal activity, on the part of Donald Trump or anyone else,” Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said recently on ABC’s “This Week.” “The rule of law needs to apply
    equally to everyone.”

    But historically, the federal government has avoided bringing such charges against a president. Those in key positions ultimately landed on the side of bringing the country together and moving on.

    It is very likely to elevate Trump's standing among the 74 million
    people who voted for him in 2020 and even a conviction on those
    charges would not preclude Trump from running, so you have to be
    careful what you wish for.
    The first problem would be finding a dozen people who are not Trumpers
    or simply people who still trust the government. The places where
    these acts were committed tend to be red. I see a hung jury no matter
    what.
    OTOH I doubt they could work through all the legal motions before the
    2024 election anyway, much less actually get to a verdict.
    Nick Cruz shot up Parkland High School in 2018, there is no question
    he did it and he still hasn't gone to trial to determine his sentence.
    It took 3 years to legally determine his guilt and he entered a plea.

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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Sun Jun 26 09:02:28 2022
    On 6/25/2022 1:16 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 08:23:36 -0700 (PDT),
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

    From Grid News, an interesting analysis:

    https://www.grid.news/story/politics/2022/06/16/merrick-garlands-impossible-choice-whether-or-not-to-prosecute-donald-trump

    The Jan. 6 committee is making the case that Trump is part of a criminal conspiracy, but there are many things to consider in a case against the former president.

    The Jan. 6 committee has started to lay out a made-for-TV case against former president Donald Trump, airing video clips and testimony from some of Trump’s closest confidants about his actions during the riots and efforts to change the 2020 election
    results.

    But the decision on whether to bring actual criminal charges against Trump won’t be made by the committee — it will be up to their most important audience member, Attorney General Merrick Garland.

    “It would be unprecedented to have the [Justice Department] from one presidency indicting the defeated opponent and potential repeat opponent of the sitting president,” said former federal prosecutor Samuel Buell. “How do you even conceive of
    the right way to make that decision as a lawyer?”

    Garland will have to weigh if he believes Trump broke the law and if there is a winnable case against him. But he will also need to weigh if prosecuting Trump is the right thing to do.

    If the country would be better-served by not prosecuting a former president, Garland has the discretion to not bring the case and pursue a path that is less divisive among the public. If he does press charges, a trial would likely extend two to three
    years, legal experts say, putting the issue front and center during the 2024
    election.

    The committee has said it sees evidence that Trump and his associates were part of a “criminal conspiracy.”

    “I’d like to see the Justice Department investigate any credible allegation of criminal activity, on the part of Donald Trump or anyone else,” Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said recently on ABC’s “This Week.” “The rule of law needs to
    apply equally to everyone.”

    But historically, the federal government has avoided bringing such charges against a president. Those in key positions ultimately landed on the side of bringing the country together and moving on.

    It is very likely to elevate Trump's standing among the 74 million
    people who voted for him in 2020 and even a conviction on those
    charges would not preclude Trump from running, so you have to be
    careful what you wish for.
    The first problem would be finding a dozen people who are not Trumpers
    or simply people who still trust the government. The places where
    these acts were committed tend to be red. I see a hung jury no matter
    what.
    OTOH I doubt they could work through all the legal motions before the
    2024 election anyway, much less actually get to a verdict.
    Nick Cruz shot up Parkland High School in 2018, there is no question
    he did it and he still hasn't gone to trial to determine his sentence.
    It took 3 years to legally determine his guilt and he entered a plea.

    A Trump trial couldn't get through voir dire by 2024.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Keyser_S=c3=b6ze?=@21:1/5 to Mr. Luddite on Sun Jun 26 09:16:16 2022
    On 6/26/22 9:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 6/25/2022 1:16 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 08:23:36 -0700 (PDT),
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

    From Grid News, an interesting analysis:

    https://www.grid.news/story/politics/2022/06/16/merrick-garlands-impossible-choice-whether-or-not-to-prosecute-donald-trump


    The Jan. 6 committee is making the case that Trump is part of a
    criminal conspiracy, but there are many things to consider in a case
    against the former president.

    The Jan. 6 committee has started to lay out a made-for-TV case
    against former president Donald Trump, airing video clips and
    testimony from some of Trump’s closest confidants about his actions
    during the riots and efforts to change the 2020 election results.

    But the decision on whether to bring actual criminal charges against
    Trump won’t be made by the committee — it will be up to their most
    important audience member, Attorney General Merrick Garland.

    “It would be unprecedented to have the [Justice Department] from one
    presidency indicting the defeated opponent and potential repeat
    opponent of the sitting president,” said former federal prosecutor
    Samuel Buell. “How do you even conceive of the right way to make that
    decision as a lawyer?”

    Garland will have to weigh if he believes Trump broke the law and if
    there is a winnable case against him. But he will also need to weigh
    if prosecuting Trump is the right thing to do.

    If the country would be better-served by not prosecuting a former
    president, Garland has the discretion to not bring the case and
    pursue a path that is less divisive among the public. If he does
    press charges, a trial would likely extend two to three years, legal
    experts say, putting the issue front and center during the 2024
    election.

    The committee has said it sees evidence that Trump and his associates
    were part of a “criminal conspiracy.”

    “I’d like to see the Justice Department investigate any credible
    allegation of criminal activity, on the part of Donald Trump or
    anyone else,” Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said recently on ABC’s
    “This Week.” “The rule of law needs to apply equally to everyone.” >>>
    But historically, the federal government has avoided bringing such
    charges against a president. Those in key positions ultimately landed
    on the side of bringing the country together and moving on.

    It is very likely to elevate Trump's standing among the 74 million
    people who voted for him in 2020 and even a conviction on those
    charges would not preclude Trump from running, so you have to be
    careful what you wish for.
    The first problem would be finding a dozen people who are not Trumpers
    or simply people who still trust the government.  The places where
    these acts were committed tend to be red. I see a hung jury no matter
    what.
    OTOH I doubt they could work through all the legal motions before the
    2024 election anyway, much less actually get to a verdict.
    Nick Cruz shot up Parkland High School in 2018, there is no question
    he did it and he still hasn't gone to trial to determine his sentence.
    It took 3 years to legally determine his guilt and he entered a plea.

    A Trump trial couldn't get through voir dire by 2024.


    I'm hopeful Trump's 325+ pounds of avoirdupois do him in. It would be a
    perfect squelch to his perverted ambitions. I certainly do not want to
    see him or any U.S. politician as the subject of an assassination or an attempted assassination and emerge a martyr.

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  • From Justan Ohlphart@21:1/5 to Mr. Luddite on Sun Jun 26 10:52:52 2022
    "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com> Wrote in message:r
    On 6/26/2022 9:16 AM, Keyser Sze wrote:> On 6/26/22 9:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:>> On 6/25/2022 1:16 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:>>> On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 08:23:36 -0700 (PDT),>>> "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>>
    From Grid News, an interesting analysis:>>>>>>>> https://www.grid.news/story/politics/2022/06/16/merrick-garlands-impossible-choice-whether-or-not-to-prosecute-donald-trump >>>>>>>>>>>> The Jan. 6 committee is making the case that Trump is part of a >>>>
    criminal conspiracy, but there are many things to consider in a case >>>> against the former president.>>>>>>>> The Jan. 6 committee has started to lay out a made-for-TV case >>>> against former president Donald Trump, airing video clips and >>>>
    testimony from some of Trump?s closest confidants about his actions >>>> during the riots and efforts to change the 2020 election results.>>>>>>>> But the decision on whether to bring actual criminal charges against >>>> Trump won?t be made by the
    committee ? it will be up to their most >>>> important audience member, Attorney General Merrick Garland.>>>>>>>> ?It would be unprecedented to have the [Justice Department] from one >>>> presidency indicting the defeated opponent and potential repeat >>>
    opponent of the sitting president,? said former federal prosecutor >>>> Samuel Buell. ?How do you even conceive of the right way to make >>>> that decision as a lawyer??>>>>>>>> Garland will have to weigh if he believes Trump broke the law and if >>>>
    there is a winnable case against him. But he will also need to weigh >>>> if prosecuting Trump is the right thing to do.>>>>>>>> If the country would be better-served by not prosecuting a former >>>> president, Garland has the discretion to not bring the
    case and >>>> pursue a path that is less divisive among the public. If he does >>>> press charges, a trial would likely extend two to three years, legal >>>> experts say, putting the issue front and center during the 2024>>> election.>>>>>>>> The
    committee has said it sees evidence that Trump and his >>>> associates were part of a ?criminal conspiracy.?>>>>>>>> ?I?d like to see the Justice Department investigate any credible >>>> allegation of criminal activity, on the part of Donald Trump or >>>>
    anyone else,? Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said recently on ABC?s >>>> ?This Week.? ?The rule of law needs to apply equally to everyone.?>>>>>>>> But historically, the federal government has avoided bringing such >>>> charges against a president. Those
    in key positions ultimately >>>> landed on the side of bringing the country together and moving on.>>>>>> It is very likely to elevate Trump's standing among the 74 million>>> people who voted for him in 2020 and even a conviction on those>>> charges
    would not preclude Trump from running, so you have to be>>> careful what you wish for.>>> The first problem would be finding a dozen people who are not Trumpers>>> or simply people who still trust the government. The places where>>> these acts were
    committed tend to be red. I see a hung jury no matter>>> what.>>> OTOH I doubt they could work through all the legal motions before the>>> 2024 election anyway, much less actually get to a verdict.>>> Nick Cruz shot up Parkland High School in 2018, there
    is no question>>> he did it and he still hasn't gone to trial to determine his sentence.>>> It took 3 years to legally determine his guilt and he entered a plea.>>>> A Trump trial couldn't get through voir dire by 2024.>>> > I'm hopeful Trump's 325+
    pounds of avoirdupois do him in. It would be a > perfect squelch to his perverted ambitions. I certainly do not want to > see him or any U.S. politician as the subject of an assassination or an > attempted assassination and emerge a martyr.> Personally,
    I would not like to see him run again and don'tthink he will. He'll try to peddle his influence though.-- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.https://www.avg.com

    He'll keep the Dums guessing right up to the convention where
    he'll bow out and support DeSantis. That's my guess.
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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 26 10:23:14 2022
    On 6/26/2022 9:16 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
    On 6/26/22 9:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 6/25/2022 1:16 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 08:23:36 -0700 (PDT),
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

    From Grid News, an interesting analysis:

    https://www.grid.news/story/politics/2022/06/16/merrick-garlands-impossible-choice-whether-or-not-to-prosecute-donald-trump


    The Jan. 6 committee is making the case that Trump is part of a
    criminal conspiracy, but there are many things to consider in a case
    against the former president.

    The Jan. 6 committee has started to lay out a made-for-TV case
    against former president Donald Trump, airing video clips and
    testimony from some of Trump’s closest confidants about his actions
    during the riots and efforts to change the 2020 election results.

    But the decision on whether to bring actual criminal charges against
    Trump won’t be made by the committee — it will be up to their most >>>> important audience member, Attorney General Merrick Garland.

    “It would be unprecedented to have the [Justice Department] from one >>>> presidency indicting the defeated opponent and potential repeat
    opponent of the sitting president,” said former federal prosecutor
    Samuel Buell. “How do you even conceive of the right way to make
    that decision as a lawyer?”

    Garland will have to weigh if he believes Trump broke the law and if
    there is a winnable case against him. But he will also need to weigh
    if prosecuting Trump is the right thing to do.

    If the country would be better-served by not prosecuting a former
    president, Garland has the discretion to not bring the case and
    pursue a path that is less divisive among the public. If he does
    press charges, a trial would likely extend two to three years, legal
    experts say, putting the issue front and center during the 2024
    election.

    The committee has said it sees evidence that Trump and his
    associates were part of a “criminal conspiracy.”

    “I’d like to see the Justice Department investigate any credible
    allegation of criminal activity, on the part of Donald Trump or
    anyone else,” Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said recently on ABC’s
    “This Week.” “The rule of law needs to apply equally to everyone.” >>>>
    But historically, the federal government has avoided bringing such
    charges against a president. Those in key positions ultimately
    landed on the side of bringing the country together and moving on.

    It is very likely to elevate Trump's standing among the 74 million
    people who voted for him in 2020 and even a conviction on those
    charges would not preclude Trump from running, so you have to be
    careful what you wish for.
    The first problem would be finding a dozen people who are not Trumpers
    or simply people who still trust the government.  The places where
    these acts were committed tend to be red. I see a hung jury no matter
    what.
    OTOH I doubt they could work through all the legal motions before the
    2024 election anyway, much less actually get to a verdict.
    Nick Cruz shot up Parkland High School in 2018, there is no question
    he did it and he still hasn't gone to trial to determine his sentence.
    It took 3 years to legally determine his guilt and he entered a plea.

    A Trump trial couldn't get through voir dire by 2024.


    I'm hopeful Trump's 325+ pounds of avoirdupois do him in. It would be a perfect squelch to his perverted ambitions. I certainly do not want to
    see him or any U.S. politician as the subject of an assassination or an attempted assassination and emerge a martyr.


    Personally, I would not like to see him run again and don't
    think he will. He'll try to peddle his influence though.

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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 27 03:11:21 2022
    On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 09:02:28 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/25/2022 1:16 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 08:23:36 -0700 (PDT),
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

    From Grid News, an interesting analysis:

    https://www.grid.news/story/politics/2022/06/16/merrick-garlands-impossible-choice-whether-or-not-to-prosecute-donald-trump

    The Jan. 6 committee is making the case that Trump is part of a criminal conspiracy, but there are many things to consider in a case against the former president.

    The Jan. 6 committee has started to lay out a made-for-TV case against former president Donald Trump, airing video clips and testimony from some of Trump’s closest confidants about his actions during the riots and efforts to change the 2020
    election results.

    But the decision on whether to bring actual criminal charges against Trump won’t be made by the committee — it will be up to their most important audience member, Attorney General Merrick Garland.

    “It would be unprecedented to have the [Justice Department] from one presidency indicting the defeated opponent and potential repeat opponent of the sitting president,” said former federal prosecutor Samuel Buell. “How do you even conceive of
    the right way to make that decision as a lawyer?”

    Garland will have to weigh if he believes Trump broke the law and if there is a winnable case against him. But he will also need to weigh if prosecuting Trump is the right thing to do.

    If the country would be better-served by not prosecuting a former president, Garland has the discretion to not bring the case and pursue a path that is less divisive among the public. If he does press charges, a trial would likely extend two to three
    years, legal experts say, putting the issue front and center during the 2024
    election.

    The committee has said it sees evidence that Trump and his associates were part of a “criminal conspiracy.”

    “I’d like to see the Justice Department investigate any credible allegation of criminal activity, on the part of Donald Trump or anyone else,” Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said recently on ABC’s “This Week.” “The rule of law needs to
    apply equally to everyone.”

    But historically, the federal government has avoided bringing such charges against a president. Those in key positions ultimately landed on the side of bringing the country together and moving on.

    It is very likely to elevate Trump's standing among the 74 million
    people who voted for him in 2020 and even a conviction on those
    charges would not preclude Trump from running, so you have to be
    careful what you wish for.
    The first problem would be finding a dozen people who are not Trumpers
    or simply people who still trust the government. The places where
    these acts were committed tend to be red. I see a hung jury no matter
    what.
    OTOH I doubt they could work through all the legal motions before the
    2024 election anyway, much less actually get to a verdict.
    Nick Cruz shot up Parkland High School in 2018, there is no question
    he did it and he still hasn't gone to trial to determine his sentence.
    It took 3 years to legally determine his guilt and he entered a plea.

    A Trump trial couldn't get through voir dire by 2024.

    I doubt it would ever make it unless you picked a DC jury.
    Unfortunately that is probably where the case would be brought. A case
    in Georgia is ridiculous. I was just in Georgia. As soon as you leave
    Savannah and Atlanta you are in MTG land.

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