Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun
regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North ><princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
I suppose if there is a lesson here, black lives don't matter. The
only time we care about murder is when it is a bunch of white kids.
The reality is the majority of murders are surrounding the drug trade
and nobody gives a shit, even when it is innocent people caught in the >crossfire.
True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun
regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before
something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Quit blaming guns! It is a cultural problem these days. There have
always been millions of guns in the hands of the populace sine I was born.
How many school shootings? How many like Columbine, where they made bombs
as well as shooting? How many people shot each weekend in Chicago, >Baltimore, Oakland, etc. BLM? Why do they consider a black being shot
only matters when it is done by a cop? Most of these shooters are
committing suicide while getting on social media. Old days, these just >committed suicide, not posting live feeds of their actions.
True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun
regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before
something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Quit blaming guns! It is a cultural problem these days. There have
always been millions of guns in the hands of the populace sine I was born.
How many school shootings? How many like Columbine, where they made bombs
as well as shooting? How many people shot each weekend in Chicago, >Baltimore, Oakland, etc. BLM? Why do they consider a black being shot
only matters when it is done by a cop? Most of these shooters are
committing suicide while getting on social media. Old days, these just >committed suicide, not posting live feeds of their actions.
On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 8:23:50 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun
regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before
something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
===
There are already lots of regulations but they aren't being enforced very well. And in this particular instance it appears that school security
was weak to non-existent.
On Fri, 27 May 2022 18:48:07 -0000 (UTC), Bill ><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun
regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before
something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Quit blaming guns! It is a cultural problem these days. There have >>always been millions of guns in the hands of the populace sine I was born.
How many school shootings? How many like Columbine, where they made bombs >>as well as shooting? How many people shot each weekend in Chicago, >>Baltimore, Oakland, etc. BLM? Why do they consider a black being shot >>only matters when it is done by a cop? Most of these shooters are >>committing suicide while getting on social media. Old days, these just >>committed suicide, not posting live feeds of their actions.
The trial for the guy in Norway who killed 5 and injured 4 more with a
bow and a knife is winding up. No guns involved at all.
On Fri, 27 May 2022 20:33:18 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:>On Fri, 27 May 2022 18:48:07 -0000 (UTC), Bill><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>>>True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:>>> Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bringsanity to gun>>> regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before>>> something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American. >>> >>>>Quit blaming guns! It is a cultural problem these days. There have>>always
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> Wrote in message:rsanity to gun>>> regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before>>> something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American. >>> >>>>Quit blaming guns! It is a cultural problem these days. There have>>always
On Fri, 27 May 2022 20:33:18 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:>On Fri, 27 May 2022 18:48:07 -0000 (UTC), Bill><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>>>True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:>>> Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring
actions.>>The trial for the guy in Norway who killed 5 and injured 4 more with a>bow and a knife is winding up. No guns involved at all. So, you think this is somehow equivalent to the children murdered on aregular basis by guns? What a stupid fuck.Guns account for morechildren's deaths that auto accidents. Fuck you.
One gun goes rogue and you want to condemn them all? Such a dumb
Robot. Good thing all robots are as dense as you are.
Snerk!
On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 8:23:50 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
===
There are already lots of regulations but they aren't being enforced very well. And in this particular instance it appears that school security was weak to non-existent.
On Fri, 27 May 2022 11:52:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North >><princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
I suppose if there is a lesson here, black lives don't matter. The
only time we care about murder is when it is a bunch of white kids.
The reality is the majority of murders are surrounding the drug trade
and nobody gives a shit, even when it is innocent people caught in the >>crossfire.
You mean you don't give a shit.
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North ><princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Well, dummy, there's always this, but if you say something about it
you're a racist.
https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/
And that's almost every weekend!
On Fri, 27 May 2022 08:41:51 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 8:23:50 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
===
There are already lots of regulations but they aren't being enforced very well. And in this particular instance it appears that school security was weak to non-existent.
Are you implying the liberal judges are simply slapping wrists, if
anything?
On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:30:52 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2022 08:41:51 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 8:23:50 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
===
There are already lots of regulations but they aren't being enforced very well. And in this particular instance it appears that school security was weak to non-existent.
Are you implying the liberal judges are simply slapping wrists, if >>anything?
It usually isn't even the judge. DAs like the win on the top count of
the indictment to make their stats look good so they will take a plea
on the armed robbery or a lesser murder charge, tossing the gun
charges, in spite of the fact that in states line Florida the gun
charge carries a mandatory minimum that will exceed what the criminal
gets for robbery, rape or even murder.
Any felony involving a firearm where anyone is shot, no matter how
slight, is a 25 to life mandatory with a absolute minimum of 21.3
years before parole is even considered. (85%) Most murders get out
long before that.
If the gun is just fired in the air it is 20 years and simply having a
gun with you while committing a felony, like burglary, is 10.
Federal prosecutors are not much better. They will toss gun charges to
get a plea on something else. In a lot of cases they are not even
interested in pursuing it. Any felon with a gun or even ammunition,
has committed a federal crime. Very few are ever prosecuted.
If you can believe the politicians, most of the crime guns in the big
cities were illegally transported across state lines. Where are the >prosecutions?
If nobody is willing to enforce the laws we have, why pass more?
It is just another political stunt.
On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:30:09 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North >><princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Well, dummy, there's always this, but if you say something about it
you're a racist.
https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/
And that's almost every weekend!
In spite of all the rhetoric and cities burning, black lives don't
really seem to matter. There is a "mass shooting" just about every
weekend. It doesn't involve "assault weapons" and it doesn't involve
white kids so nobody cares enough for it to make the news. It is just
people nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about in turf
wars most people are oblivious to. They just like the statistic and
imply it has something to do with white kids being shot.
On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:30:09 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North
<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Well, dummy, there's always this, but if you say something about it
you're a racist.
https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/
And that's almost every weekend!
In spite of all the rhetoric and cities burning, black lives don't
really seem to matter. There is a "mass shooting" just about every
weekend. It doesn't involve "assault weapons" and it doesn't involve
white kids so nobody cares enough for it to make the news. It is just
people nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about in turf
wars most people are oblivious to. They just like the statistic and
imply it has something to do with white kids being shot.
On 5/30/22 9:53 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:> On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:30:09 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:> >> On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North>> <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> Will this latest event in Texas be theone to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.>>>> Well, dummy, there's always this, but if you say something about it>> you'
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:33:28 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart ><me@yourservice.com> wrote:sanity to gun>>> regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before>>> something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American. >>> >>>>Quit blaming guns! It is a cultural problem these days. There have>>always
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> Wrote in message:r
On Fri, 27 May 2022 20:33:18 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:>On Fri, 27 May 2022 18:48:07 -0000 (UTC), Bill><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>>>True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:>>> Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring
Guns account for morechildren's deaths that auto accidents. Fuck you.actions.>>The trial for the guy in Norway who killed 5 and injured 4 more with a>bow and a knife is winding up. No guns involved at all. So, you think this is somehow equivalent to the children murdered on aregular basis by guns? What a stupid fuck.
One gun goes rogue and you want to condemn them all? Such a dumb
Robot. Good thing all robots are as dense as you are.
Snerk!
You haven't plonked Robot yet?
As for his statistic, "children" include the gang bangers slinging
crack and shooting each other over turf. (anyone under 18)
They also play fast an loose with "school shootings". They include all
the gangster shootouts within 1000 feet of a school.
90% of them happen when the school is closed and no students are there
but that won't make the headlines. You have to actually read the
details in the crime reports.
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> Wrote in message:rsanity to gun>>> regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before>>> something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American. >>> >>>>Quit blaming guns! It is a cultural problem these days. There have>>always
On Fri, 27 May 2022 20:33:18 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:>On Fri, 27 May 2022 18:48:07 -0000 (UTC), Bill><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>>>True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:>>> Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring
actions.>>The trial for the guy in Norway who killed 5 and injured 4 more with a>bow and a knife is winding up. No guns involved at all. So, you think this is somehow equivalent to the children murdered on aregular basis by guns? What a stupid fuck.Guns account for morechildren's deaths that auto accidents. Fuck you.
One gun goes rogue and you want to condemn them all? Such a dumb
Robot. Good thing all robots are as dense as you are.
Snerk!
On Fri, 27 May 2022 16:30:19 -0700, Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2022 11:52:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North >>><princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
I suppose if there is a lesson here, black lives don't matter. The
only time we care about murder is when it is a bunch of white kids.
The reality is the majority of murders are surrounding the drug trade
and nobody gives a shit, even when it is innocent people caught in the >>>crossfire.
You mean you don't give a shit.
How many times have you seen this mentioned on CNN?
https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/
On 5/30/22 9:53 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:30:09 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:There's a lot more to it than "not making the news." One of the problems
On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North
<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun
regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before
something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average
American.
Well, dummy, there's always this, but if you say something about it
you're a racist.
https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/
And that's almost every weekend!
In spite of all the rhetoric and cities burning, black lives don't
really seem to matter. There is a "mass shooting" just about every
weekend. It doesn't involve "assault weapons" and it doesn't involve
white kids so nobody cares enough for it to make the news. It is just
people nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about in turf
wars most people are oblivious to. They just like the statistic and
imply it has something to do with white kids being shot.
is that there is a lot less news being covered than there used to be,
what with the death of so many local newspapers and the cutting back of
news coverage. The local news availability around here is very limited,
but shootings are covered briefly in the on-line news outlets. Back in
the good old days, the KC Star put out 13 editions a day, all day long
and all night long, and there was a huge local news hole to fill with
hard news and features, and some of those editions were especially for outstate communities in Kansas and Missouri. Shootings were covered.
Doubt that is the case these days. I still remember the first shooting I "covered" in person, a murder by shotgun of a woman and her boyfriend by
the woman's husband. Husband took his life, too.
On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North ><princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Well, dummy, there's always this, but if you say something about it
you're a racist.
https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/
And that's almost every weekend!
On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:30:09 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North >><princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Well, dummy, there's always this, but if you say something about it
you're a racist.
https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/
And that's almost every weekend!
In spite of all the rhetoric and cities burning, black lives don't
really seem to matter. There is a "mass shooting" just about every
weekend. It doesn't involve "assault weapons" and it doesn't involve
white kids so nobody cares enough for it to make the news. It is just
people nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about in turf
wars most people are oblivious to. They just like the statistic and
imply it has something to do with white kids being shot.
On Mon, 30 May 2022 21:53:18 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:30:09 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:I agree.
On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North >>><princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Well, dummy, there's always this, but if you say something about it >>>you're a racist.
https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/
And that's almost every weekend!
In spite of all the rhetoric and cities burning, black lives don't
really seem to matter. There is a "mass shooting" just about every
weekend. It doesn't involve "assault weapons" and it doesn't involve
white kids so nobody cares enough for it to make the news. It is just >>people nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about in turf
wars most people are oblivious to. They just like the statistic and
imply it has something to do with white kids being shot.
On Tue, 31 May 2022 07:31:21 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 21:53:18 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:30:09 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:I agree.
On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North >>>><princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Well, dummy, there's always this, but if you say something about it >>>>you're a racist.
https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/
And that's almost every weekend!
In spite of all the rhetoric and cities burning, black lives don't
really seem to matter. There is a "mass shooting" just about every >>>weekend. It doesn't involve "assault weapons" and it doesn't involve >>>white kids so nobody cares enough for it to make the news. It is just >>>people nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about in turf
wars most people are oblivious to. They just like the statistic and
imply it has something to do with white kids being shot.
Don't agree.. kill some of them.
On 5/31/2022 9:27 AM, Keyser Sze wrote:> On 5/30/22 9:53 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:30:09 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North>>> <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:>>there's always this, but if you say something about it>>> you're a racist.>>>>>> https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/ >>>>>>>>> And that's almost every weekend!>>>> In spite of all the rhetoric and cities
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun >>>> regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before >>>> something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average >>>> American.>>>>>> Well, dummy,
On 5/30/22 9:53 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:30:09 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:There's a lot more to it than "not making the news." One of the problems
On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North
<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Well, dummy, there's always this, but if you say something about it
you're a racist.
https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/
And that's almost every weekend!
In spite of all the rhetoric and cities burning, black lives don't
really seem to matter. There is a "mass shooting" just about every
weekend. It doesn't involve "assault weapons" and it doesn't involve
white kids so nobody cares enough for it to make the news. It is just
people nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about in turf
wars most people are oblivious to. They just like the statistic and
imply it has something to do with white kids being shot.
is that there is a lot less news being covered than there used to be,
what with the death of so many local newspapers and the cutting back of
news coverage. The local news availability around here is very limited,
but shootings are covered briefly in the on-line news outlets. Back in
the good old days, the KC Star put out 13 editions a day, all day long
and all night long, and there was a huge local news hole to fill with
hard news and features, and some of those editions were especially for >outstate communities in Kansas and Missouri. Shootings were covered.
Doubt that is the case these days. I still remember the first shooting I >"covered" in person, a murder by shotgun of a woman and her boyfriend by
the woman's husband. Husband took his life, too.
On Tue, 31 May 2022 09:27:01 -0400, Keyser Sze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 5/30/22 9:53 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:30:09 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:There's a lot more to it than "not making the news." One of the problems
On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North
<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Well, dummy, there's always this, but if you say something about it
you're a racist.
https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/
And that's almost every weekend!
In spite of all the rhetoric and cities burning, black lives don't
really seem to matter. There is a "mass shooting" just about every
weekend. It doesn't involve "assault weapons" and it doesn't involve
white kids so nobody cares enough for it to make the news. It is just
people nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about in turf
wars most people are oblivious to. They just like the statistic and
imply it has something to do with white kids being shot.
is that there is a lot less news being covered than there used to be,
what with the death of so many local newspapers and the cutting back of >>news coverage. The local news availability around here is very limited,
but shootings are covered briefly in the on-line news outlets. Back in
the good old days, the KC Star put out 13 editions a day, all day long
and all night long, and there was a huge local news hole to fill with
hard news and features, and some of those editions were especially for >>outstate communities in Kansas and Missouri. Shootings were covered.
Doubt that is the case these days. I still remember the first shooting I >>"covered" in person, a murder by shotgun of a woman and her boyfriend by >>the woman's husband. Husband took his life, too.
The Bal'mer Sun is the only paper I know of that actually reports on
inner city murders but it is just statistics for the most part. The
result is eye opening if you want to spend the time looking. It points
out what I have been saying. Most murders are people nobody cares
about shooting people nobody cares about. About half go unsolved.
It also points out another thing. How many serial killers are there in
these shithole cities?
You almost have to assume, a few "enforcers" are doing a lot of the
killing and they are not being caught.
The FBI UCR also points out a very politically incorrect conclusion.
Guns don't kill people, black people with guns kill people.
More than half the murders are in a demographic that is only about
~13% of the population.
Most folks are also killed with handguns, not assault rifles, in spite
of all the hand wringing.
More people are killed with BARE HANDS than rifles of all types,
assault or otherwise.
The data is there, nobody is willing to actually look at it.
You can get the UCR as an excel file if you want to really crunch the
numbers but nobody in media likes what they get when they actually
look.
On Tue, 31 May 2022 16:20:23 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2022 09:27:01 -0400, Keyser Söze ><KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 5/30/22 9:53 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:30:09 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:There's a lot more to it than "not making the news." One of the problems >>is that there is a lot less news being covered than there used to be, >>what with the death of so many local newspapers and the cutting back of >>news coverage. The local news availability around here is very limited, >>but shootings are covered briefly in the on-line news outlets. Back in >>the good old days, the KC Star put out 13 editions a day, all day long >>and all night long, and there was a huge local news hole to fill with >>hard news and features, and some of those editions were especially for >>outstate communities in Kansas and Missouri. Shootings were covered. >>Doubt that is the case these days. I still remember the first shooting I >>"covered" in person, a murder by shotgun of a woman and her boyfriend by >>the woman's husband. Husband took his life, too.
On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North
<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Well, dummy, there's always this, but if you say something about it >>>> you're a racist.
https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/
And that's almost every weekend!
In spite of all the rhetoric and cities burning, black lives don't
really seem to matter. There is a "mass shooting" just about every
weekend. It doesn't involve "assault weapons" and it doesn't involve
white kids so nobody cares enough for it to make the news. It is just >>> people nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about in turf
wars most people are oblivious to. They just like the statistic and
imply it has something to do with white kids being shot.
The Bal'mer Sun is the only paper I know of that actually reports onChicago, anyone?
inner city murders but it is just statistics for the most part. The
result is eye opening if you want to spend the time looking. It points
out what I have been saying. Most murders are people nobody cares
about shooting people nobody cares about. About half go unsolved.
It also points out another thing. How many serial killers are there in >these shithole cities?
You almost have to assume, a few "enforcers" are doing a lot of the >killing and they are not being caught.
The FBI UCR also points out a very politically incorrect conclusion.
Guns don't kill people, black people with guns kill people.
More than half the murders are in a demographic that is only about
~13% of the population.
Most folks are also killed with handguns, not assault rifles, in spite
of all the hand wringing.
More people are killed with BARE HANDS than rifles of all types,
assault or otherwise.
The data is there, nobody is willing to actually look at it.
You can get the UCR as an excel file if you want to really crunch the >numbers but nobody in media likes what they get when they actually
look.
https://heyjackass.com/
On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 07:11:16 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2022 16:20:23 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2022 09:27:01 -0400, Keyser SözeChicago, anyone?
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 5/30/22 9:53 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:30:09 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:There's a lot more to it than "not making the news." One of the problems >> >>is that there is a lot less news being covered than there used to be,
On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North
<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Well, dummy, there's always this, but if you say something about it
you're a racist.
https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/
And that's almost every weekend!
In spite of all the rhetoric and cities burning, black lives don't
really seem to matter. There is a "mass shooting" just about every
weekend. It doesn't involve "assault weapons" and it doesn't involve
white kids so nobody cares enough for it to make the news. It is just
people nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about in turf
wars most people are oblivious to. They just like the statistic and
imply it has something to do with white kids being shot.
what with the death of so many local newspapers and the cutting back of
news coverage. The local news availability around here is very limited,
but shootings are covered briefly in the on-line news outlets. Back in
the good old days, the KC Star put out 13 editions a day, all day long
and all night long, and there was a huge local news hole to fill with
hard news and features, and some of those editions were especially for
outstate communities in Kansas and Missouri. Shootings were covered.
Doubt that is the case these days. I still remember the first shooting I >> >>"covered" in person, a murder by shotgun of a woman and her boyfriend by >> >>the woman's husband. Husband took his life, too.
The Bal'mer Sun is the only paper I know of that actually reports on
inner city murders but it is just statistics for the most part. The
result is eye opening if you want to spend the time looking. It points
out what I have been saying. Most murders are people nobody cares
about shooting people nobody cares about. About half go unsolved.
It also points out another thing. How many serial killers are there in
these shithole cities?
You almost have to assume, a few "enforcers" are doing a lot of the
killing and they are not being caught.
The FBI UCR also points out a very politically incorrect conclusion.
Guns don't kill people, black people with guns kill people.
More than half the murders are in a demographic that is only about
~13% of the population.
Most folks are also killed with handguns, not assault rifles, in spite
of all the hand wringing.
More people are killed with BARE HANDS than rifles of all types,
assault or otherwise.
The data is there, nobody is willing to actually look at it.
You can get the UCR as an excel file if you want to really crunch the
numbers but nobody in media likes what they get when they actually
look.
https://heyjackass.com/
Wow, y'all sure do seem obsessed with people of colour in Chicago.
On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 07:11:16 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2022 16:20:23 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2022 09:27:01 -0400, Keyser SzeChicago, anyone?
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 5/30/22 9:53 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:30:09 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:There's a lot more to it than "not making the news." One of the problems >> >>is that there is a lot less news being covered than there used to be,
On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North
<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Well, dummy, there's always this, but if you say something about it
you're a racist.
https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/
And that's almost every weekend!
In spite of all the rhetoric and cities burning, black lives don't
really seem to matter. There is a "mass shooting" just about every
weekend. It doesn't involve "assault weapons" and it doesn't involve
white kids so nobody cares enough for it to make the news. It is just
people nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about in turf
wars most people are oblivious to. They just like the statistic and
imply it has something to do with white kids being shot.
what with the death of so many local newspapers and the cutting back of
news coverage. The local news availability around here is very limited,
but shootings are covered briefly in the on-line news outlets. Back in
the good old days, the KC Star put out 13 editions a day, all day long
and all night long, and there was a huge local news hole to fill with
hard news and features, and some of those editions were especially for
outstate communities in Kansas and Missouri. Shootings were covered.
Doubt that is the case these days. I still remember the first shooting I >> >>"covered" in person, a murder by shotgun of a woman and her boyfriend by >> >>the woman's husband. Husband took his life, too.
The Bal'mer Sun is the only paper I know of that actually reports on
inner city murders but it is just statistics for the most part. The
result is eye opening if you want to spend the time looking. It points
out what I have been saying. Most murders are people nobody cares
about shooting people nobody cares about. About half go unsolved.
It also points out another thing. How many serial killers are there in
these shithole cities?
You almost have to assume, a few "enforcers" are doing a lot of the
killing and they are not being caught.
The FBI UCR also points out a very politically incorrect conclusion.
Guns don't kill people, black people with guns kill people.
More than half the murders are in a demographic that is only about
~13% of the population.
Most folks are also killed with handguns, not assault rifles, in spite
of all the hand wringing.
More people are killed with BARE HANDS than rifles of all types,
assault or otherwise.
The data is there, nobody is willing to actually look at it.
You can get the UCR as an excel file if you want to really crunch the
numbers but nobody in media likes what they get when they actually
look.
https://heyjackass.com/
Wow, y'all sure do seem obsessed with people of colour in Chicago.
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 05:58:09 -0700 (PDT), True North<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:>On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 07:11:16 UTC-3, John H wrote:>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 16:20:23 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >> >> >On Tue, 31 May 2022 09:27:01 -0400,Keyser Sze >> ><KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote: >> > >> >>On 5/30/22 9:53 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:30:09 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North >> >>
American. >> >>>> >> >>>> Well, dummy, there's always this, but if you say something about it >> >>>> you're a racist. >> >>>> >> >>>> https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/ >> >>>> >> >>>> And that's<prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average
something to do with white kids being shot. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>There's a lot more to it than "not making the news." One of the problems >> >>is that there is a lot less news being covered than there used to be, >> >>what with the death of so many localwhite kids so nobody cares enough for it to make the news. It is just >> >>> people nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about in turf >> >>> wars most people are oblivious to. They just like the statistic and >> >>> imply it has
On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 07:11:16 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2022 16:20:23 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2022 09:27:01 -0400, Keyser SözeChicago, anyone?
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 5/30/22 9:53 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:30:09 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:There's a lot more to it than "not making the news." One of the problems >>>> is that there is a lot less news being covered than there used to be,
On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North
<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun >>>>>>> regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing
before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the >>>>>>> average American.
Well, dummy, there's always this, but if you say something about it >>>>>> you're a racist.
https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/
And that's almost every weekend!
In spite of all the rhetoric and cities burning, black lives don't
really seem to matter. There is a "mass shooting" just about every
weekend. It doesn't involve "assault weapons" and it doesn't involve >>>>> white kids so nobody cares enough for it to make the news. It is just >>>>> people nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about in turf >>>>> wars most people are oblivious to. They just like the statistic and
imply it has something to do with white kids being shot.
what with the death of so many local newspapers and the cutting back of >>>> news coverage. The local news availability around here is very limited, >>>> but shootings are covered briefly in the on-line news outlets. Back in >>>> the good old days, the KC Star put out 13 editions a day, all day long >>>> and all night long, and there was a huge local news hole to fill with
hard news and features, and some of those editions were especially for >>>> outstate communities in Kansas and Missouri. Shootings were covered.
Doubt that is the case these days. I still remember the first shooting I >>>> "covered" in person, a murder by shotgun of a woman and her boyfriend by >>>> the woman's husband. Husband took his life, too.
The Bal'mer Sun is the only paper I know of that actually reports on
inner city murders but it is just statistics for the most part. The
result is eye opening if you want to spend the time looking. It points
out what I have been saying. Most murders are people nobody cares
about shooting people nobody cares about. About half go unsolved.
It also points out another thing. How many serial killers are there in
these shithole cities?
You almost have to assume, a few "enforcers" are doing a lot of the
killing and they are not being caught.
The FBI UCR also points out a very politically incorrect conclusion.
Guns don't kill people, black people with guns kill people.
More than half the murders are in a demographic that is only about
~13% of the population.
Most folks are also killed with handguns, not assault rifles, in spite
of all the hand wringing.
More people are killed with BARE HANDS than rifles of all types,
assault or otherwise.
The data is there, nobody is willing to actually look at it.
You can get the UCR as an excel file if you want to really crunch the
numbers but nobody in media likes what they get when they actually
look.
https://heyjackass.com/
Wow, y'all sure do seem obsessed with people of colour in Chicago.
Keyser Sze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:rone to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.>>>> Well, dummy, there's always this, but if you say something about it>> you'
On 5/30/22 9:53 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:> On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:30:09 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:> >> On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), True North>> <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> Will this latest event in Texas be the
wars most people are oblivious to. They just like the statistic and> imply it has something to do with white kids being shot.> > There's a lot more to it than "not making the news." One of the problems is that there is a lot less news being covered thanthere used to be, what with the death of so many local newspapers and the cutting back of news coverage. The local news availability around here is very limited, but shootings are covered briefly in the on-line news outlets. Back in the good old days,
sleezeballs. *
Millions of foreigners are streaming across our southern border
and it gets almost no coverage by the press. Parts of Europe
cannot cut off Russian oil because the richest oil reserve in the
world is tied up in red tape. Almost no news coverage. Ukraine,
not much there. Wassup with Taiwan, China, North Korea, Iran?
What's happening at the White House?
Isn't anything newsworthy besides January 6, planned parenthood,
gun control, twitter and Johnny Depp?
--
lets go Brandon...
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Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems >as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself >after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some >cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently >walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the >knife?
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill ><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems >>as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself >>after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide. >>Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some >>cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently >>walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the >>knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks.
The movies are just bloody roadrunner cartoons advertising more
firepower with the next release.. I won't even watch most of them.
How many rounds get fired these days in an action flick? Thousands
anyway.
Everyone in the movies has a machine gun and nobody seems to get in
trouble killing people.
I know folks say it is just a movie but if people were not swayed by
what they see on screen, the companies wouldn't be advertising there.
The biggest trigger to buy them was when Clinton said they were banned
and then allowed TWO MILLION to be imported from China with minor >modifications to skirt the law. I guess those $10,000 tea parties
Clinton had, paid off for the Chinese Army that is behind PolyTech and >Norico.
Once people bought them, they became a glut on the market. You could
get a slightly used or even unfired AK for about $200 around here
second hand for a while after the novelty wore off.
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems >> as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself >> after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some >> cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently >> walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the >> knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks.
On 6/7/22 12:13 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems >>> as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself >>> after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide. >>> Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some >>> cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently >>> walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the >>> knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks.
Teens in all of the modern western world are exposed to the same sorts
of media and violent video games but only in the USA do we have the
large number and frequency of mass shootings. I think the answer lies >elsewhere.
On 6/7/22 12:13 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems >>> as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself >>> after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide. >>> Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some >>> cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently >>> walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the >>> knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks.
Teens in all of the modern western world are exposed to the same sorts
of media and violent video games but only in the USA do we have the
large number and frequency of mass shootings. I think the answer lies >elsewhere.
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 09:35:11 -0400, Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/7/22 12:13 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself >>>> after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide. >>>> Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some >>>> cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently >>>> walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks.
Teens in all of the modern western world are exposed to the same sorts
of media and violent video games but only in the USA do we have the
large number and frequency of mass shootings. I think the answer lies
elsewhere.
“One of the ways Chicago is different is that our social conditions
are not anything like those now in New York City and Los Angeles,”
Jens Ludwig, director of the Crime Lab, told a City Club audience
early this year. “We are not just the most segregated city in America,
but the level of concentrated poverty we have in our neighborhoods is
unlike anything in Los Angeles or New York. You would not find an
Englewood or Garfield Park anywhere in Los Angeles and New York.”
The dynamics at play, the ones Chicagoans want to understand to end
the bloodshed, are complex. Gang life is a substitute for hope in
isolated neighborhoods. Every shooting invites a retaliatory attack.
In a city of 2.7 million people, a relatively small number of
criminals — perhaps 5,000 to 10,000 thugs and drug dealers — are
driving a large share of the violence. “It’s the same individuals that continuously commit these crimes,” Chicago Police Department
Superintendent Eddie Johnson said.
Black lives matter, except to other blacks. This holds true for
Hispanics also.
More: "We failed as a criminal justice entity in the past. Mr. Johnson
felt invincible from the law; and rightfully so, even after five
felony convictions, one of them for beating and imprisoning a women
for several hours in his house; he never served a single day in
prison. I would request the court take his criminal past into
consideration along with his current monstrosities. It's imperative
that he receive the maximum possible sentence for this aggravated and atrocious act. That will give some amount of closure to the victims'
families and make up for our past mistakes; if Mr. Johnson was ...
sent to prison on his violent case against women in 2009 or the two
2012 cases, this violent event would have never taken place and the
victims would still be alive today."
Let's fire some liberal judges.
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems >>>as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself >>>after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide. >>>Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some >>>cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently >>>walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the >>>knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks.
years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 09:35:11 -0400, Keyser Söze ><KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/7/22 12:13 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself >>>> after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide. >>>> Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some >>>> cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently >>>> walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks.
Teens in all of the modern western world are exposed to the same sorts
of media and violent video games but only in the USA do we have the
large number and frequency of mass shootings. I think the answer lies >>elsewhere.
“One of the ways Chicago is different is that our social conditions
are not anything like those now in New York City and Los Angeles,”
Jens Ludwig, director of the Crime Lab, told a City Club audience
early this year. “We are not just the most segregated city in America,
but the level of concentrated poverty we have in our neighborhoods is
unlike anything in Los Angeles or New York. You would not find an
Englewood or Garfield Park anywhere in Los Angeles and New York.”
The dynamics at play, the ones Chicagoans want to understand to end
the bloodshed, are complex. Gang life is a substitute for hope in
isolated neighborhoods. Every shooting invites a retaliatory attack.
In a city of 2.7 million people, a relatively small number of
criminals — perhaps 5,000 to 10,000 thugs and drug dealers — are
driving a large share of the violence. “It’s the same individuals that >continuously commit these crimes,” Chicago Police Department
Superintendent Eddie Johnson said.
Black lives matter, except to other blacks. This holds true for
Hispanics also.
More: "We failed as a criminal justice entity in the past. Mr. Johnson
felt invincible from the law; and rightfully so, even after five
felony convictions, one of them for beating and imprisoning a women
for several hours in his house; he never served a single day in
prison. I would request the court take his criminal past into
consideration along with his current monstrosities. It's imperative
that he receive the maximum possible sentence for this aggravated and >atrocious act. That will give some amount of closure to the victims'
families and make up for our past mistakes; if Mr. Johnson was ...
sent to prison on his violent case against women in 2009 or the two
2012 cases, this violent event would have never taken place and the
victims would still be alive today."
Let's fire some liberal judges.
On 6/7/22 10:09 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 09:35:11 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/7/22 12:13 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide. >>>>> Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks.
Teens in all of the modern western world are exposed to the same sorts
of media and violent video games but only in the USA do we have the
large number and frequency of mass shootings. I think the answer lies
elsewhere.
“One of the ways Chicago is different is that our social conditions
are not anything like those now in New York City and Los Angeles,”
Jens Ludwig, director of the Crime Lab, told a City Club audience
early this year. “We are not just the most segregated city in America,
but the level of concentrated poverty we have in our neighborhoods is
unlike anything in Los Angeles or New York. You would not find an
Englewood or Garfield Park anywhere in Los Angeles and New York.”
The dynamics at play, the ones Chicagoans want to understand to end
the bloodshed, are complex. Gang life is a substitute for hope in
isolated neighborhoods. Every shooting invites a retaliatory attack.
In a city of 2.7 million people, a relatively small number of
criminals — perhaps 5,000 to 10,000 thugs and drug dealers — are
driving a large share of the violence. “It’s the same individuals that >> continuously commit these crimes,” Chicago Police Department
Superintendent Eddie Johnson said.
Black lives matter, except to other blacks. This holds true for
Hispanics also.
More: "We failed as a criminal justice entity in the past. Mr. Johnson
felt invincible from the law; and rightfully so, even after five
felony convictions, one of them for beating and imprisoning a women
for several hours in his house; he never served a single day in
prison. I would request the court take his criminal past into
consideration along with his current monstrosities. It's imperative
that he receive the maximum possible sentence for this aggravated and
atrocious act. That will give some amount of closure to the victims'
families and make up for our past mistakes; if Mr. Johnson was ...
sent to prison on his violent case against women in 2009 or the two
2012 cases, this violent event would have never taken place and the
victims would still be alive today."
Let's fire some liberal judges.
Nice try at shoveling your racism, Herring, but what is being discussed
are the mass shootings being committed by mostly white boys at schools, >shopping centers, churches. The black gang-related shootings are
horrible, of course, but are manifestations of a different problem.
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 11:36:15 -0400, Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/7/22 10:09 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 09:35:11 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/7/22 12:13 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>> blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item >>>>> only really known to a few collectors and gun folks.
Teens in all of the modern western world are exposed to the same sorts >>>> of media and violent video games but only in the USA do we have the
large number and frequency of mass shootings. I think the answer lies
elsewhere.
“One of the ways Chicago is different is that our social conditions
are not anything like those now in New York City and Los Angeles,”
Jens Ludwig, director of the Crime Lab, told a City Club audience
early this year. “We are not just the most segregated city in America, >>> but the level of concentrated poverty we have in our neighborhoods is
unlike anything in Los Angeles or New York. You would not find an
Englewood or Garfield Park anywhere in Los Angeles and New York.”
The dynamics at play, the ones Chicagoans want to understand to end
the bloodshed, are complex. Gang life is a substitute for hope in
isolated neighborhoods. Every shooting invites a retaliatory attack.
In a city of 2.7 million people, a relatively small number of
criminals — perhaps 5,000 to 10,000 thugs and drug dealers — are
driving a large share of the violence. “It’s the same individuals that >>> continuously commit these crimes,” Chicago Police Department
Superintendent Eddie Johnson said.
Black lives matter, except to other blacks. This holds true for
Hispanics also.
More: "We failed as a criminal justice entity in the past. Mr. Johnson
felt invincible from the law; and rightfully so, even after five
felony convictions, one of them for beating and imprisoning a women
for several hours in his house; he never served a single day in
prison. I would request the court take his criminal past into
consideration along with his current monstrosities. It's imperative
that he receive the maximum possible sentence for this aggravated and
atrocious act. That will give some amount of closure to the victims'
families and make up for our past mistakes; if Mr. Johnson was ...
sent to prison on his violent case against women in 2009 or the two
2012 cases, this violent event would have never taken place and the
victims would still be alive today."
Let's fire some liberal judges.
Nice try at shoveling your racism, Herring, but what is being discussed
are the mass shootings being committed by mostly white boys at schools,
shopping centers, churches. The black gang-related shootings are
horrible, of course, but are manifestations of a different problem.
OK then, tell that to the news people who co-mingle those stats.
This week they are talking about over a dozen "mass shootings" that
happened over the weekend and exactly ZERO of them were "white boys"
shooting up "schools, shopping centers and churches".
Then look at some of the non-gang shootings.
In fact Uvalde was an Hispanic kid, Tulsa was a black guy, as was the Brooklyn subway shooter. That is just this year.
The Navy Yard was a black guy and Ft Hood was an Arab.
"Active shooter" seems to be an equal opportunity crime.
On 6/7/22 12:43 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 11:36:15 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/7/22 10:09 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 09:35:11 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/7/22 12:13 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>>> blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item >>>>>> only really known to a few collectors and gun folks.
Teens in all of the modern western world are exposed to the same sorts >>>>> of media and violent video games but only in the USA do we have the
large number and frequency of mass shootings. I think the answer lies >>>>> elsewhere.
“One of the ways Chicago is different is that our social conditions
are not anything like those now in New York City and Los Angeles,”
Jens Ludwig, director of the Crime Lab, told a City Club audience
early this year. “We are not just the most segregated city in America, >>>> but the level of concentrated poverty we have in our neighborhoods is
unlike anything in Los Angeles or New York. You would not find an
Englewood or Garfield Park anywhere in Los Angeles and New York.”
The dynamics at play, the ones Chicagoans want to understand to end
the bloodshed, are complex. Gang life is a substitute for hope in
isolated neighborhoods. Every shooting invites a retaliatory attack.
In a city of 2.7 million people, a relatively small number of
criminals — perhaps 5,000 to 10,000 thugs and drug dealers — are
driving a large share of the violence. “It’s the same individuals that >>>> continuously commit these crimes,” Chicago Police Department
Superintendent Eddie Johnson said.
Black lives matter, except to other blacks. This holds true for
Hispanics also.
More: "We failed as a criminal justice entity in the past. Mr. Johnson >>>> felt invincible from the law; and rightfully so, even after five
felony convictions, one of them for beating and imprisoning a women
for several hours in his house; he never served a single day in
prison. I would request the court take his criminal past into
consideration along with his current monstrosities. It's imperative
that he receive the maximum possible sentence for this aggravated and
atrocious act. That will give some amount of closure to the victims'
families and make up for our past mistakes; if Mr. Johnson was ...
sent to prison on his violent case against women in 2009 or the two
2012 cases, this violent event would have never taken place and the
victims would still be alive today."
Let's fire some liberal judges.
Nice try at shoveling your racism, Herring, but what is being discussed
are the mass shootings being committed by mostly white boys at schools,
shopping centers, churches. The black gang-related shootings are
horrible, of course, but are manifestations of a different problem.
OK then, tell that to the news people who co-mingle those stats.
This week they are talking about over a dozen "mass shootings" that
happened over the weekend and exactly ZERO of them were "white boys"
shooting up "schools, shopping centers and churches".
Then look at some of the non-gang shootings.
In fact Uvalde was an Hispanic kid, Tulsa was a black guy, as was the
Brooklyn subway shooter. That is just this year.
The Navy Yard was a black guy and Ft Hood was an Arab.
"Active shooter" seems to be an equal opportunity crime.
Hispanic is white, as is Arab, usually.
On 6/7/22 12:43 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 11:36:15 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/7/22 10:09 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 09:35:11 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/7/22 12:13 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>>> blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item >>>>>> only really known to a few collectors and gun folks.
Teens in all of the modern western world are exposed to the same sorts >>>>> of media and violent video games but only in the USA do we have the
large number and frequency of mass shootings. I think the answer lies >>>>> elsewhere.
“One of the ways Chicago is different is that our social conditions
are not anything like those now in New York City and Los Angeles,”
Jens Ludwig, director of the Crime Lab, told a City Club audience
early this year. “We are not just the most segregated city in America, >>>> but the level of concentrated poverty we have in our neighborhoods is
unlike anything in Los Angeles or New York. You would not find an
Englewood or Garfield Park anywhere in Los Angeles and New York.”
The dynamics at play, the ones Chicagoans want to understand to end
the bloodshed, are complex. Gang life is a substitute for hope in
isolated neighborhoods. Every shooting invites a retaliatory attack.
In a city of 2.7 million people, a relatively small number of
criminals — perhaps 5,000 to 10,000 thugs and drug dealers — are
driving a large share of the violence. “It’s the same individuals that >>>> continuously commit these crimes,” Chicago Police Department
Superintendent Eddie Johnson said.
Black lives matter, except to other blacks. This holds true for
Hispanics also.
More: "We failed as a criminal justice entity in the past. Mr. Johnson >>>> felt invincible from the law; and rightfully so, even after five
felony convictions, one of them for beating and imprisoning a women
for several hours in his house; he never served a single day in
prison. I would request the court take his criminal past into
consideration along with his current monstrosities. It's imperative
that he receive the maximum possible sentence for this aggravated and
atrocious act. That will give some amount of closure to the victims'
families and make up for our past mistakes; if Mr. Johnson was ...
sent to prison on his violent case against women in 2009 or the two
2012 cases, this violent event would have never taken place and the
victims would still be alive today."
Let's fire some liberal judges.
Nice try at shoveling your racism, Herring, but what is being discussed
are the mass shootings being committed by mostly white boys at schools,
shopping centers, churches. The black gang-related shootings are
horrible, of course, but are manifestations of a different problem.
OK then, tell that to the news people who co-mingle those stats.
This week they are talking about over a dozen "mass shootings" that
happened over the weekend and exactly ZERO of them were "white boys"
shooting up "schools, shopping centers and churches".
Then look at some of the non-gang shootings.
In fact Uvalde was an Hispanic kid, Tulsa was a black guy, as was the
Brooklyn subway shooter. That is just this year.
The Navy Yard was a black guy and Ft Hood was an Arab.
"Active shooter" seems to be an equal opportunity crime.
Hispanic is white, as is Arab, usually.
On 6/7/22 12:43 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 11:36:15 -0400, Keyser Sze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/7/22 10:09 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 09:35:11 -0400, Keyser Sze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/7/22 12:13 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>>> blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item >>>>>> only really known to a few collectors and gun folks.
Teens in all of the modern western world are exposed to the same sorts >>>>> of media and violent video games but only in the USA do we have the
large number and frequency of mass shootings. I think the answer lies >>>>> elsewhere.
One of the ways Chicago is different is that our social conditions
are not anything like those now in New York City and Los Angeles,
Jens Ludwig, director of the Crime Lab, told a City Club audience
early this year. We are not just the most segregated city in America, >>>> but the level of concentrated poverty we have in our neighborhoods is
unlike anything in Los Angeles or New York. You would not find an
Englewood or Garfield Park anywhere in Los Angeles and New York.
The dynamics at play, the ones Chicagoans want to understand to end
the bloodshed, are complex. Gang life is a substitute for hope in
isolated neighborhoods. Every shooting invites a retaliatory attack.
In a city of 2.7 million people, a relatively small number of
criminals perhaps 5,000 to 10,000 thugs and drug dealers are
driving a large share of the violence. Its the same individuals that >>>> continuously commit these crimes, Chicago Police Department
Superintendent Eddie Johnson said.
Black lives matter, except to other blacks. This holds true for
Hispanics also.
More: "We failed as a criminal justice entity in the past. Mr. Johnson >>>> felt invincible from the law; and rightfully so, even after five
felony convictions, one of them for beating and imprisoning a women
for several hours in his house; he never served a single day in
prison. I would request the court take his criminal past into
consideration along with his current monstrosities. It's imperative
that he receive the maximum possible sentence for this aggravated and
atrocious act. That will give some amount of closure to the victims'
families and make up for our past mistakes; if Mr. Johnson was ...
sent to prison on his violent case against women in 2009 or the two
2012 cases, this violent event would have never taken place and the
victims would still be alive today."
Let's fire some liberal judges.
Nice try at shoveling your racism, Herring, but what is being discussed
are the mass shootings being committed by mostly white boys at schools,
shopping centers, churches. The black gang-related shootings are
horrible, of course, but are manifestations of a different problem.
OK then, tell that to the news people who co-mingle those stats.
This week they are talking about over a dozen "mass shootings" that
happened over the weekend and exactly ZERO of them were "white boys"
shooting up "schools, shopping centers and churches".
Then look at some of the non-gang shootings.
In fact Uvalde was an Hispanic kid, Tulsa was a black guy, as was the
Brooklyn subway shooter. That is just this year.
The Navy Yard was a black guy and Ft Hood was an Arab.
"Active shooter" seems to be an equal opportunity crime.
Hispanic is white, as is Arab, usually.
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 09:35:11 -0400, Keyser Sze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/7/22 12:13 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself >>>> after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide. >>>> Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some >>>> cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently >>>> walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks.
Teens in all of the modern western world are exposed to the same sorts
of media and violent video games but only in the USA do we have the
large number and frequency of mass shootings. I think the answer lies >>elsewhere.
Perhaps our society as a whole explains the difference. Bear in mind
you need to look at the teens who do most of the shooting and it is
not that white suburban kid in a school. It is the teen gang member in
the inner city. They just don't make the news.
That is where the hopelessness really thrives. If you are a kid in the
slums of West Bal'mer, your best chance to actually make more than $8
an hour is in the drug trade. That means guns and violence.
The vast majority of "mass shootings" like the dozen or more they are >wringing their hands about on TV this week happened in that
environment. We won't say that.
I think it is amusing that the same talking heads on our TV news who
are alluding to the idea that there were a dozen school shootings or
some other horror and at the same time they report on our most
infamous mass shooting here and showing the gang members going off to
do life for it.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fort-myers-nightclub-shooting-club-blu-multiple-people-shot-in-florida-nightclub-report/
https://www.news-press.com/story/news/crime/2022/05/03/club-blu-mass-shooting-kierra-russ-found-guilty-left-2-dead-fort-myers/9585716002/
Pack up 10,000 gangbangers from any US city and dump them in Sweden,
watch their crime rate soar. Unfortunately that culture also bleeds
out into our suburbs too.
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems >>>>as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself >>>>after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide. >>>>Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some >>>>cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently >>>>walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the >>>>knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually
handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
since they became cops and not life savers.
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rs odd that a hard working janitor would choose him for a role model. That tells us much about you.
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Only after a new democrat party rises up out of the ashes of the current one. Your pal is a perfect example of why this must happen. Except for the fact he's penniless, he's just like the swamp dwellas that infest the nations cesspool of a capital. it'
On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 08:48:11 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphartit's odd that a hard working janitor would choose him for a role model. That tells us much about you.
<me@yourservice.com> wrote:
True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Only after a new democrat party rises up out of the ashes of the current one. Your pal is a perfect example of why this must happen. Except for the fact he's penniless, he's just like the swamp dwellas that infest the nations cesspool of a capital.
...and he owns a lot of guns.
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself >>>>>after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide. >>>>>Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some >>>>>cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently >>>>>walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually
handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
them. And many of them are buying them.
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), BillAnd anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>> blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually
handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is usually on ban lists.
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems >as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself >after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some >cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently >walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the >knife?
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), BillAnd anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>>> blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually
handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military
capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
usually on ban lists.
Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great >barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in
the west than the Midwest and East.
On 6/8/22 8:50 AM, John H wrote:it's odd that a hard working janitor would choose him for a role model. That tells us much about you.
On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 08:48:11 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart
<me@yourservice.com> wrote:
True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
Will this latest event in Texas be the one to bring sanity to gun regulations or will it just be another round of hand wringing before something new pops up to occupy the flighty attention of the average American.
Only after a new democrat party rises up out of the ashes of the current one. Your pal is a perfect example of why this must happen. Except for the fact he's penniless, he's just like the swamp dwellas that infest the nations cesspool of a capital.
...and he owns a lot of guns.
I own a few firearms but I sold my "AR" style rifle. Unlike you, I
still see well enough to shoot accurately
On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 18:36:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), BillAnd anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>>> blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>> movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach >>>> to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand >>>> in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually
handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military
capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
usually on ban lists.
Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great >barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance inIs that because your gun is pretty small?
the west than the Midwest and East.
--
Lets go Brandon....
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On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 18:45:31 UTC-3, justan wrote:> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 18:36:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ><gfre...@aol.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: > >> > >>>On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:
exposed to them at all. I understand > >>>> in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs > >>>> but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually > >>>> handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these daysAnd anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 > >>>>> years. That's a hell of a lot of folks. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach > >>>> to weapons if they were actually
two but they are not scary looking ones. > >> Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is > >> usually on ban lists. > >> > > > >Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great > >barrels, and the recoilreduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in > >the west than the Midwest and East.> Is that because your gun is pretty small? > > -- > Lets go Brandon....> ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), BillAnd anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>>> blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually
handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military
capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
usually on ban lists.
Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in
the west than the Midwest and East.
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:55:31 AM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:Hunting with an AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), BillAnd anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>>>> years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>>>>> blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>>>> movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach >>>>>> to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand >>>>>> in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs >>>>>> but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>>>> handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, >>>>>> since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks >>>>> who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of >>>>> them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of >>>> the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military
capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is >>>> usually on ban lists.
Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great
barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in
the west than the Midwest and East.
lots of ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs,
and bunnies.
Making that statement is an admission that *you* are such a lousy shot that you can't hit the broad side of a barn. An AR can be a very accurate rifle, and when used for hunting is normally fitted with a small magazine.
You shouldn't project your own inadequacies on everyone else. Eh?
On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), BillAnd anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>> years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>>> blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>> movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach >>>> to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand >>>> in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs >>>> but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually
handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks >>> who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of >>> them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military
capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
usually on ban lists.
Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in the west than the Midwest and East.
Hunting with an AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need
lots of ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs,
and bunnies.
True North <prince...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill > >>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems > >>>>>>> as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself > >>>>>
On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 18:45:31 UTC-3, justan wrote:> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 18:36:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ><gfre...@aol.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: > >> > >
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the > >>>>>>> knife? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They > >>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go outafter posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide. > >>>>>>> Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some > >>>>>>> cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently > >>>>>>>
exposed to them at all. I understand > >>>> in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs > >>>> but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually > >>>> handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these daysAnd anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 > >>>>> years. That's a hell of a lot of folks. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach > >>>> to weapons if they were actually
two but they are not scary looking ones. > >> Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is > >> usually on ban lists. > >> > > > >Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great > >barrels, and the recoilreduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in > >the west than the Midwest and East.> Is that because your gun is pretty small? > > -- > Lets go Brandon....> ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.
Donnie. Its a shame that you had to use such a large percentage of
your vocabulary responding to a spoofing a'hole.
lets go Brandon...
On 6/9/22 8:35 AM, 345...@gmail.com wrote:> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:55:31 AM UTC-4, Keyser Sze wrote:>> On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 8:12:56 AM UTC-4, Justan Ohlphart wrote:> True North <prince...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 18:45:31 UTC-3, justan wrote:> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 18:36:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ><gfre...@aol.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: > >> > >>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...
in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually > >>>> handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, > >>>> since they became cops and not life savers. > >>> > >>> Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item > >>>Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach > >>>> to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand > >>>> in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs > >>>> but
pretty small? > > -- > Lets go Brandon....> ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlSNERK!> Donnie. Its a shame that you had to use such a large percentage of > your vocabulary responding to ausually on ban lists. > >> > > > >Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great > >barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in > >the west than the Midwest and East.> Is that because your gun is
On 6/9/22 8:35 AM, 345...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:55:31 AM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:Hunting with an AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), BillAnd anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>>>> years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>>>> movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' >>>>>>>>
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach >>>>>> to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand >>>>>> in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs >>>>>> but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>>>> handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, >>>>>> since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks >>>>> who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of >>>>> them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of >>>> the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military >>>> capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is >>>> usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or >>>> two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is >>>> usually on ban lists.
Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great >>> barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in >>> the west than the Midwest and East.
lots of ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs,
and bunnies.
Making that statement is an admission that *you* are such a lousy shot that you can't hit the broad side of a barn. An AR can be a very accurate rifle, and when used for hunting is normally fitted with a small magazine.
You shouldn't project your own inadequacies on everyone else. Eh?I've owned several AR style rifles that I used for target shooting. I'm
an accurate enough shooter but within limits, accuracy depends more on
the shooter than the platform. Hey, you need 30 rounds to nail that
critter, right?
On 6/9/22 8:35 AM, 345...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:55:31 AM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:Hunting with an AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), BillAnd anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>>>>> years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>>>>>> blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>>>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>>>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>>>>> movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' >>>>>>>>>
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach >>>>>>> to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand >>>>>>> in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs >>>>>>> but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>>>>> handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, >>>>>>> since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks >>>>>> who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of >>>>>> them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of >>>>> the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military >>>>> capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or >>>>> two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is >>>>> usually on ban lists.
Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great
barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in >>>> the west than the Midwest and East.
lots of ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs,
and bunnies.
Making that statement is an admission that *you* are such a lousy shot
that you can't hit the broad side of a barn. An AR can be a very
accurate rifle, and when used for hunting is normally fitted with a small magazine.
You shouldn't project your own inadequacies on everyone else. Eh?
I've owned several AR style rifles that I used for target shooting. I'm
an accurate enough shooter but within limits, accuracy depends more on
the shooter than the platform. Hey, you need 30 rounds to nail that
critter, right?
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide. >>>>>>Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>>think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>>blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>>is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>>don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military >capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is >usually on ban lists.
On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), BillAnd anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>>>> blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>>> movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach >>>>> to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand >>>>> in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually
handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military
capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
usually on ban lists.
Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great
barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in
the west than the Midwest and East.
Hunting with an AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need
lots of ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs,
and bunnies.
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 9:11:39 AM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/9/22 8:35 AM, 345...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:55:31 AM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:I've owned several AR style rifles that I used for target shooting. I'm
On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:Hunting with an AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), BillAnd anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>>>>>> years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>>>>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>>>>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>>>>>> movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' >>>>>>>>>>
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach >>>>>>>> to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand >>>>>>>> in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs >>>>>>>> but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>>>>>> handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, >>>>>>>> since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks >>>>>>> who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of >>>>>>> them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of >>>>>> the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military >>>>>> capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly" >>>>>> guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is >>>>>> usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or >>>>>> two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is >>>>>> usually on ban lists.
Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great >>>>> barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in >>>>> the west than the Midwest and East.
lots of ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs, >>>> and bunnies.
Making that statement is an admission that *you* are such a lousy shot that you can't hit the broad side of a barn. An AR can be a very accurate rifle, and when used for hunting is normally fitted with a small magazine.
You shouldn't project your own inadequacies on everyone else. Eh?
an accurate enough shooter but within limits, accuracy depends more on
the shooter than the platform. Hey, you need 30 rounds to nail that
critter, right?
I have several 10 round magazines. You do know they are interchangeable, right?
The shooter can't be more accurate than his platform. Maybe you didn't live up to yours, hence the thinking that you need 30 rounds?
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 07:55:29 -0400, Keyser Sze<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:>On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill>>>>>>> <
On 6/9/22 12:20 PM, 345...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 9:11:39 AM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/9/22 8:35 AM, 345...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:55:31 AM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:I've owned several AR style rifles that I used for target shooting. I'm
On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:Hunting with an AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need >>>>> lots of ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs, >>>>> and bunnies.
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), BillAnd anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>>>>>>> years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>>>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>>>>>>> movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' >>>>>>>>>>>
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach >>>>>>>>> to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand >>>>>>>>> in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs >>>>>>>>> but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>>>>>>> handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, >>>>>>>>> since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks >>>>>>>> who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of >>>>>>>> them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of >>>>>>> the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military >>>>>>> capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly" >>>>>>> guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is >>>>>>> usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or >>>>>>> two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is >>>>>>> usually on ban lists.
Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great >>>>>> barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in >>>>>> the west than the Midwest and East.
Making that statement is an admission that *you* are such a lousy shot >>>> that you can't hit the broad side of a barn. An AR can be a very
accurate rifle, and when used for hunting is normally fitted with a small magazine.
You shouldn't project your own inadequacies on everyone else. Eh?
an accurate enough shooter but within limits, accuracy depends more on
the shooter than the platform. Hey, you need 30 rounds to nail that
critter, right?
I have several 10 round magazines. You do know they are interchangeable, right?
The shooter can't be more accurate than his platform. Maybe you didn't
live up to yours, hence the thinking that you need 30 rounds?
Actually, a good shooter can compensate to some degree for an inaccurate platform, JackOff.
On 6/9/22 12:20 PM, 345...@gmail.com wrote:> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 9:11:39 AM UTC-4, Keyser Sze wrote:>> On 6/9/22 8:35 AM, 345...@gmail.com wrote:>>> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:55:31 AM UTC-4, Keyser Sze wrote:>>>> On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Billwrote:>>>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>>>>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.
wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill>>>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should quit blaming guns andask why so many teen suicides? Seems>>>>>>>>>>> as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself>>>>>>>>>>> after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.>>>>>>>>>>> Why so many shot in certain cultures
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the>>>>>>>>>> movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50>>>>>>>>> years. That's a hellgames and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there>>>>>>>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they>>>>>>>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.>>>>>>>>>> End it now.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill>>>>>>> <
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 07:55:29 -0400, Keyser Söze<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:
usually on ban lists.>>>>> >> Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great>> barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in>> the west than the Midwest and East.>> >>Hunting with an AR is an admissionthat you are a lousy shot and need >lots of ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs, >and bunnies.Why?
Don't hold your breath waiting for a cleaver comback. He lost that capability long ago.
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On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 21:05:48 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill>>>>>>> <
John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 07:55:29 -0400, Keyser Söze<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:
usually on ban lists.>>>>> >> Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great>> barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in>> the west than the Midwest and East.>> >>Hunting with an AR is an admissionthat you are a lousy shot and need >lots of ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs, >and bunnies.Why?
Don't hold your breath waiting for a cleaver comback. He lost that capability long ago.
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Just exactly what is a "cleaver comback"?
Y'all southern boys sure do talk funny.
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 21:05:48 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 07:55:29 -0400, KeyserDon't hold your breath waiting for a cleaver comback. He lost that
Söze<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:>>
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H
<jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400,
gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H >>> <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400,
gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000
(UTC), Bill>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides?
Seems>>>>>>>> as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by
cop or do yourself>>>>>>>> after posting on social media. Even Apple
had a podcast on teen suicide.>>>>>>>> Why so many shot in certain
cultures in this country every weekend in some>>>>>>>> cities? Blaming
guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently>>>>>>>> walked
in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the>>>>>>>> >>> knife?>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless
some teens feel. They>>>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any
attention is to go out in a>>>>>>> blaze of gunfire.>>>>>>> We have
desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video>>>>>>> games
and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there>>>>>>>
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and
they>>>>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.>>>>>>>
End it now.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those
folks in media and the>>>>>>> movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they
would still be a '>>>>>>>>>>>>> And anyone who'd been associated with
the military in the past 50>>>>>> years. That's a hell of a lot of
folks.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most military folks came away with a "Been there
done that" approach>>>>> to weapons if they were actually exposed to
them at all. I understand>>>>> in the army and marines your weapon is
your companion for most MOSs>>>>> but in the air force, navy or coast
guard, few people are actually>>>>> handling any small arms. The CG is
a bit different these days tho,>>>>> since they became cops and not
life savers.>>>>>>>> Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item>>>>
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those
folks>>>> who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy
knowledge of>>>> them. And many of them are buying them.>>>>>> I bet,
not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of>>> the
American public. What percentage of adults served in any military>>>
capacity?>>> Very few of them ever actually served in combat.>>> I know
lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly">>> guns.
They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is>>>
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle
traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is>>> usually on bantwo but they are not scary looking ones.>>> Even my M1A is a
lists.>>>>> >> Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform.
Can buy great>> barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot
longer distance in>> the west than the Midwest and East.>> >>Hunting
with an AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need >lots of
ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs, >and bunnies.Why?
capability long ago.
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Say what?
Just exactly what is a "cleaver comback"?
Y'all southern boys sure do talk funny.
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>>years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>>>think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>>>blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>>games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>>>is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>>>don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand >>>>in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>>handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, >>>>since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of >>>them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military >>capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is >>usually on ban lists.
Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20
million out there,
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:55:31 AM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:Hunting with an AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), BillAnd anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >> >>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >> >>>>>> blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >> >>>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >> >>>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand >> >>>> in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually
handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military
capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
usually on ban lists.
Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great
barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in
the west than the Midwest and East.
lots of ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs,
and bunnies.
Making that statement is an admission that *you* are such a lousy shot that you can't hit the broad side of a barn. An AR can be a very accurate rifle, and when used for hunting is normally fitted with a small magazine.
You shouldn't project your own inadequacies on everyone else. Eh?
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:07:35 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill>>>>>>> <
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 21:05:48 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
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On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 07:55:29 -0400, Keyser Söze<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:
usually on ban lists.>>>>> >> Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great>> barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in>> the west than the Midwest and East.>> >>Hunting with an AR is an admissionthat you are a lousy shot and need >lots of ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs, >and bunnies.Why?
Don't hold your breath waiting for a cleaver comback. He lost that capability long ago.
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Just exactly what is a "cleaver comback"?
Y'all southern boys sure do talk funny.
A cleaver is something used to make a cutting remark, which may also be clever, or not.
True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 21:05:48 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 07:55:29 -0400, KeyserDon't hold your breath waiting for a cleaver comback. He lost that
Söze<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:>>
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H >>> <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400,
gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H
<jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, >>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 >>> (UTC), Bill>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides?
Seems>>>>>>>> as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by >>> cop or do yourself>>>>>>>> after posting on social media. Even Apple
had a podcast on teen suicide.>>>>>>>> Why so many shot in certain
cultures in this country every weekend in some>>>>>>>> cities? Blaming >>> guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently>>>>>>>> walked >>> in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the>>>>>>>>
knife?>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless
some teens feel. They>>>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any >>> attention is to go out in a>>>>>>> blaze of gunfire.>>>>>>> We have
desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video>>>>>>> games >>> and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there>>>>>>> >>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and
they>>>>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.>>>>>>> >>> End it now.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those
folks in media and the>>>>>>> movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they >>> would still be a '>>>>>>>>>>>>> And anyone who'd been associated with >>> the military in the past 50>>>>>> years. That's a hell of a lot of
folks.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most military folks came away with a "Been there >>> done that" approach>>>>> to weapons if they were actually exposed to
them at all. I understand>>>>> in the army and marines your weapon is >>> your companion for most MOSs>>>>> but in the air force, navy or coast >>> guard, few people are actually>>>>> handling any small arms. The CG is >>> a bit different these days tho,>>>>> since they became cops and not
life savers.>>>>>>>> Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item>>>> >>> only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those
folks>>>> who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy
knowledge of>>>> them. And many of them are buying them.>>>>>> I bet, >>> not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of>>> the >>> American public. What percentage of adults served in any military>>>
capacity?>>> Very few of them ever actually served in combat.>>> I know >>> lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly">>> guns.
They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is>>>
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle
traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is>>> usually on ban >>> lists.>>>>> >> Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. >>> Can buy great>> barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoottwo but they are not scary looking ones.>>> Even my M1A is a
longer distance in>> the west than the Midwest and East.>> >>Hunting
with an AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need >lots of >>> ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs, >and bunnies.Why?
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Say what?
Just exactly what is a "cleaver comback"?
Y'all southern boys sure do talk funny.
For a eastern Canadian, you sure like to talk like a supposed southern USA person. A clever comeback is something beyond your ability.
On 6/9/22 12:20 PM, 345...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 9:11:39 AM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/9/22 8:35 AM, 345...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:55:31 AM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:I've owned several AR style rifles that I used for target shooting. I'm >> an accurate enough shooter but within limits, accuracy depends more on
On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:Hunting with an AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need >>>> lots of ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs, >>>> and bunnies.
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), BillAnd anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>>>>>> years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>>>>>> movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' >>>>>>>>>>
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs >>>>>>>> but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>>>>>> handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, >>>>>>>> since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military >>>>>> capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly" >>>>>> guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is >>>>>> usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or >>>>>> two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
usually on ban lists.
Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great >>>>> barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in
the west than the Midwest and East.
Making that statement is an admission that *you* are such a lousy shot that you can't hit the broad side of a barn. An AR can be a very accurate rifle, and when used for hunting is normally fitted with a small magazine.
You shouldn't project your own inadequacies on everyone else. Eh?
the shooter than the platform. Hey, you need 30 rounds to nail that
critter, right?
I have several 10 round magazines. You do know they are interchangeable, right?
The shooter can't be more accurate than his platform. Maybe you didn't live up to yours, hence the thinking that you need 30 rounds?Actually, a good shooter can compensate to some degree for an inaccurate platform, JackOff.
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 11:32:34 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 21:05:48 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 07:55:29 -0400, KeyserDon't hold your breath waiting for a cleaver comback. He lost that
Söze<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:>>
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H >>> <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, >>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H
<jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400,
gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 >>> (UTC), Bill>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? >>> Seems>>>>>>>> as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by >>> cop or do yourself>>>>>>>> after posting on social media. Even Apple >>> had a podcast on teen suicide.>>>>>>>> Why so many shot in certain
cultures in this country every weekend in some>>>>>>>> cities? Blaming >>> guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently>>>>>>>> walked
in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the>>>>>>>>
knife?>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless >>> some teens feel. They>>>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any >>> attention is to go out in a>>>>>>> blaze of gunfire.>>>>>>> We have >>> desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video>>>>>>> games
and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there>>>>>>> >>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and
they>>>>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.>>>>>>> >>> End it now.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those >>> folks in media and the>>>>>>> movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they
would still be a '>>>>>>>>>>>>> And anyone who'd been associated with >>> the military in the past 50>>>>>> years. That's a hell of a lot of
folks.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most military folks came away with a "Been there
done that" approach>>>>> to weapons if they were actually exposed to >>> them at all. I understand>>>>> in the army and marines your weapon is >>> your companion for most MOSs>>>>> but in the air force, navy or coast >>> guard, few people are actually>>>>> handling any small arms. The CG is >>> a bit different these days tho,>>>>> since they became cops and not >>> life savers.>>>>>>>> Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item>>>> >>> only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those
folks>>>> who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy
knowledge of>>>> them. And many of them are buying them.>>>>>> I bet, >>> not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of>>> the >>> American public. What percentage of adults served in any military>>> >>> capacity?>>> Very few of them ever actually served in combat.>>> I know
lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly">>> guns. >>> They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is>>>
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle
traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is>>> usually on bantwo but they are not scary looking ones.>>> Even my M1A is a
lists.>>>>> >> Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. >>> Can buy great>> barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot >>> longer distance in>> the west than the Midwest and East.>> >>Hunting >>> with an AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need >lots of >>> ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs, >and bunnies.Why?
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legs could carry him.Say what?
Just exactly what is a "cleaver comback"?
Y'all southern boys sure do talk funny.
For a eastern Canadian, you sure like to talk like a supposed southern USA person. A clever comeback is something beyond your ability.He tries to talk Southern, but does a poor job at it. He misuses "y'all". If Donnie actually came down South to this area and talked like that, the local Southern boys would quickly dispatch his dumb ass back to kanaduh as fast as his short little bow
:)
On Friday, 10 June 2022 at 00:20:16 UTC-3, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill>>>>>>> <
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:07:35 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 21:05:48 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 07:55:29 -0400, Keyser Sze<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:
stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the>>>>>>>> knife?>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They>>>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a>>>>>>> blaze of gunfire.>>>>>>> Wehave desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video>>>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there>>>>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they>>>>>>> don't see any job they want to
marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs>>>>> but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually>>>>> handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,>>>>> since they became cops and not life savers.>>>>>>>>Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item>>>> only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks>>>> who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of>>>> them. And many of them are buying them.>>>>>> I bet, not
walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is>>> usually on ban lists.>>>>> >> Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great>> barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in>> the west than the Midwest andEast.>> >>Hunting with an AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need >lots of ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs, >and bunnies.Why?
Don't hold your breath waiting for a cleaver comback. He lost that
capability long ago.
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Just exactly what is a "cleaver comback"?
Y'all southern boys sure do talk funny.
A cleaver is something used to make a cutting remark, which may also be clever, or not.
Very good...but in Justins' case I think he just has problems with the Queens' English.
On Friday, 10 June 2022 at 00:20:16 UTC-3, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill>>>>>>> <
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:07:35 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 21:05:48 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 07:55:29 -0400, Keyser Sze<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:
stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the>>>>>>>> knife?>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They>>>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a>>>>>>> blaze of gunfire.>>>>>>> Wehave desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video>>>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there>>>>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they>>>>>>> don't see any job they want to
marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs>>>>> but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually>>>>> handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,>>>>> since they became cops and not life savers.>>>>>>>>Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item>>>> only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks>>>> who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of>>>> them. And many of them are buying them.>>>>>> I bet, not
walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is>>> usually on ban lists.>>>>> >> Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great>> barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in>> the west than the Midwest andEast.>> >>Hunting with an AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need >lots of ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs, >and bunnies.Why?
Don't hold your breath waiting for a cleaver comback. He lost that
capability long ago.
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Just exactly what is a "cleaver comback"?
Y'all southern boys sure do talk funny.
A cleaver is something used to make a cutting remark, which may also be clever, or not.
Very good...but in Justins' case I think he just has problems with the Queens' English.
On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>>>years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>>>>think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>>>>blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>>>games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>>>>is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>>>>don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach >>>>>to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand >>>>>in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs >>>>>but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>>>handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, >>>>>since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks >>>>who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of >>>>them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of >>>the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military >>>capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is >>>usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is >>>usually on ban lists.
Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20
million out there,
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
but once people had them, they adapted.
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 07:34:26 -0700 (PDT), True North12:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill>>>>>>> <
<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, 10 June 2022 at 00:20:16 UTC-3, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote: >> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:07:35 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 21:05:48 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 07:55:29 -0400, Keyser Söze<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022
have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video>>>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there>>>>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they>>>>>>> don't see any job they want tostabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the>>>>>>>> knife?>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They>>>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a>>>>>>> blaze of gunfire.>>>>>>> We
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item>>>> only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks>>>> who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of>>>> them. And many of them are buying them.>>>>>> I bet, notmarines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs>>>>> but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually>>>>> handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,>>>>> since they became cops and not life savers.>>>>>>>>
East.>> >>Hunting with an AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need >lots of ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs, >and bunnies.Why?walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is>>> usually on ban lists.>>>>> >> Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great>> barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in>> the west than the Midwest and
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Just exactly what is a "cleaver comback"?
Y'all southern boys sure do talk funny.
A cleaver is something used to make a cutting remark, which may also be clever, or not.
Very good...but in Justins' case I think he just has problems with the Queens' English.To how many Justinls are you referring, dumb ass?
On Friday, 10 June 2022 at 13:10:02 UTC-3, 345...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 11:32:34 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 21:05:48 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 07:55:29 -0400, KeyserDon't hold your breath waiting for a cleaver comback. He lost that
Söze<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:>>
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H
<jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, >>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H
<jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400,
gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000
(UTC), Bill>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? >>> Seems>>>>>>>> as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by
cop or do yourself>>>>>>>> after posting on social media. Even Apple >>> had a podcast on teen suicide.>>>>>>>> Why so many shot in certain >>> cultures in this country every weekend in some>>>>>>>> cities? Blaming
guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently>>>>>>>> walked
in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the>>>>>>>>
knife?>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless >>> some teens feel. They>>>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any
attention is to go out in a>>>>>>> blaze of gunfire.>>>>>>> We have >>> desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video>>>>>>> games
and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there>>>>>>>
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and
they>>>>>>> don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.>>>>>>>
End it now.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those >>> folks in media and the>>>>>>> movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they
would still be a '>>>>>>>>>>>>> And anyone who'd been associated with
the military in the past 50>>>>>> years. That's a hell of a lot of >>> folks.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most military folks came away with a "Been there
done that" approach>>>>> to weapons if they were actually exposed to >>> them at all. I understand>>>>> in the army and marines your weapon is
your companion for most MOSs>>>>> but in the air force, navy or coast
guard, few people are actually>>>>> handling any small arms. The CG is
a bit different these days tho,>>>>> since they became cops and not >>> life savers.>>>>>>>> Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item>>>>
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those
folks>>>> who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy >>> knowledge of>>>> them. And many of them are buying them.>>>>>> I bet,
not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of>>> the
American public. What percentage of adults served in any military>>> >>> capacity?>>> Very few of them ever actually served in combat.>>> I know
lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly">>> guns. >>> They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is>>>
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle >>> or>>> two but they are not scary looking ones.>>> Even my M1A is a >>> traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is>>> usually on ban
lists.>>>>> >> Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform.
Can buy great>> barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot >>> longer distance in>> the west than the Midwest and East.>> >>Hunting >>> with an AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need >lots of
ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs, >and bunnies.Why?
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bow legs could carry him.Say what?
Just exactly what is a "cleaver comback"?
Y'all southern boys sure do talk funny.
For a eastern Canadian, you sure like to talk like a supposed southern USAHe tries to talk Southern, but does a poor job at it. He misuses "y'all". If Donnie actually came down South to this area and talked like that, the local Southern boys would quickly dispatch his dumb ass back to kanaduh as fast as his short little
person. A clever comeback is something beyond your ability.
:)No I don't, JackOff.
"Y'all" is singular and "all y'all" is plural.
For all y'all southern boys.......that means whether I'm talking to one of y'all or to a passel of all y'all.
Got it!
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 07:34:26 -0700 (PDT), True North12:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill>>>>>>> <
<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, 10 June 2022 at 00:20:16 UTC-3, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote: >> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:07:35 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 21:05:48 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 07:55:29 -0400, Keyser Söze<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022
have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video>>>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there>>>>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they>>>>>>> don't see any job they want tostabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the>>>>>>>> knife?>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They>>>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a>>>>>>> blaze of gunfire.>>>>>>> We
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item>>>> only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks>>>> who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of>>>> them. And many of them are buying them.>>>>>> I bet, notmarines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs>>>>> but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually>>>>> handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,>>>>> since they became cops and not life savers.>>>>>>>>
East.>> >>Hunting with an AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need >lots of ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs, >and bunnies.Why?walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is>>> usually on ban lists.>>>>> >> Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great>> barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in>> the west than the Midwest and
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Just exactly what is a "cleaver comback"?
Y'all southern boys sure do talk funny.
A cleaver is something used to make a cutting remark, which may also be clever, or not.
Very good...but in Justins' case I think he just has problems with the Queens' English.Punctuate much, dumb shit? Or do you have multiple queens now?
On Friday, 10 June 2022 at 15:35:19 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 07:34:26 -0700 (PDT), True North
<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, 10 June 2022 at 00:20:16 UTC-3, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:07:35 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:Punctuate much, dumb shit? Or do you have multiple queens now?
is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel.On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 21:05:48 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 07:55:29 -0400, Keyser
Söze<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:>>
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H >>>>>>> <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, >>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H
<jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, >>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47
-0000 (UTC), Bill>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com>
wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why >>>>>>> so many teen suicides? Seems>>>>>>>> as if the way now is to do a >>>>>>> mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself>>>>>>>> after posting >>>>>>> on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend >>>>>>> in some>>>>>>>> cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the
problem. Some guy recently>>>>>>>> walked in to a hospital and started >>> stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the>>>>>>>> knife?>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It
They>>>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to
go out in a>>>>>>> blaze of gunfire.>>>>>>> We have desensitized them
to death and glorified murder with video>>>>>>> games and movies. Then
you have the Al Gore folks telling them there>>>>>>> is no future
anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they>>>>>>> don't
see any job they want to do so what the fuck.>>>>>>> End it
now.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in
media and the>>>>>>> movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would
still be a '>>>>>>>>>>>>> And anyone who'd been associated with the
military in the past 50>>>>>> years. That's a hell of a lot of
folks.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most military folks came away with a "Been there
done that" approach>>>>> to weapons if they were actually exposed to
them at all. I understand>>>>> in the army and
marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs>>>>> but in the air
force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually>>>>> handling any
small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,>>>>> since they
became cops and not life savers.>>>>>>>> Yes, but they're much more
than a"niche item>>>> only really known to a few collectors and gun
folks." All those folks>>>> who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan
have a healthy knowledge of>>>> them. And many of them are buying
them.>>>>>> I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very
small subset of>>> the American public. What percentage of adults
served in any military>>> capacity?>>> Very few of them ever actually
served in combat.>>> I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no
interest in "ugly">>> guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home
protection but it is>>> usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters
may have a nice rifle or>>> two but they are not scary looking ones.>>>
Even my M1A is a traditional
walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is>>> usually on ban lists.>>>>>
Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy
great>> barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer
distance in>> the west than the Midwest and East.>> >>Hunting with an >>>>> AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need >lots of ammo
loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs, >and bunnies.Why?
Don't hold your breath waiting for a cleaver comback. He lost that >>>>>> capability long ago.
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Just exactly what is a "cleaver comback"?
Y'all southern boys sure do talk funny.
A cleaver is something used to make a cutting remark, which may also be clever, or not.
Very good...but in Justins' case I think he just has problems with the Queens' English.
Are y'all that stupid, JohnnyMop?
On Friday, 10 June 2022 at 15:35:19 UTC-3, John H wrote:> On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 07:34:26 -0700 (PDT), True North > <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >On Friday, 10 June 2022 at 00:20:16 UTC-3, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote: > >> On Thursday, June 9, 2022at 10:07:35 PM UTC-4, True North wrote: > >> > On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 21:05:48 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote: > >> > > John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r > >> > > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 07:55:29 -0400, Keyser Sze<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com>
Very good...but in Justins' case I think he just has problems with the Queens' English.> Punctuate much, dumb shit? Or do you have multiple queens now?Are y'all that stupid, JohnnyMop?
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>>>>years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>>>>>think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>>>>>blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>>>>games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>>>>>is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>>>>>don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>>>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach >>>>>>to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand >>>>>>in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs >>>>>>but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>>>>handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, >>>>>>since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks >>>>>who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of >>>>>them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of >>>>the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military >>>>capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly" >>>>guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is >>>>usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or >>>>two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is >>>>usually on ban lists.
Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20
million out there,
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
but once people had them, they adapted.
The 80's?
Who would have figured?
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:00:22 PM UTC-4, Keyser Sze wrote:> On 6/9/22 12:20 PM, 345...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 9:11:39 AM UTC-4, Keyser Sze wrote: > >> On 6/9/22 8:35 AM, 345...@gmail.com wrote: > >>> On Thursday, June9, 2022 at 7:55:31 AM UTC-4, Keyser Sze wrote: > >>>> On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote: > >>>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400,
recently > >>>>>>>>>>> walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the > >>>>>>>>>>> knife? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They > >>>>>>>>>> think the only way theyafter posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide. > >>>>>>>>>>> Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some > >>>>>>>>>>> cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy
military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach > >>>>>>>> to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand > >>>>>>>> in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs > >>>>>>>> but in the airmovies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 > >>>>>>>>> years. That's a hell of a lot of folks. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Most
and it is still a very small subset of > >>>>>> the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military > >>>>>> capacity? > >>>>>> Very few of them ever actually served in combat. > >>>>>> I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have noonly really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks > >>>>>>> who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of > >>>>>>> them. And many of them are buying them. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I bet, not as many as you think
On Friday, 10 June 2022 at 15:35:19 UTC-3, John H wrote:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill>>>>>>> <
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 07:34:26 -0700 (PDT), True North
<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, 10 June 2022 at 00:20:16 UTC-3, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote: >> >> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:07:35 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 21:05:48 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 07:55:29 -0400, Keyser Sze<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>On 6/8/22 2:36 PM, Bill wrote:>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:
have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video>>>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there>>>>>>> is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they>>>>>>> don't see any job they want tostabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the>>>>>>>> knife?>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They>>>>>>> think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a>>>>>>> blaze of gunfire.>>>>>>> We
andnot as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of>>> the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military>>> capacity?>>> Very few of them ever actually served in combat.>>> I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item>>>> only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks>>>> who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of>>>> them. And many of them are buying them.>>>>>> I bet,marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs>>>>> but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually>>>>> handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,>>>>> since they became cops and not life savers.>>>>>>>
East.>> >>Hunting with an AR is an admission that you are a lousy shot and need >lots of ammo loaded up to hit and kill those groundhogs, prairie dogs, >and bunnies.Why?walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is>>> usually on ban lists.>>>>> >> Actually a lot of western hunters like the AR platform. Can buy great>> barrels, and the recoil reduction is loved. We shoot longer distance in>> the west than the Midwest and
Punctuate much, dumb shit? Or do you have multiple queens now?Don't hold your breath waiting for a cleaver comback. He lost that
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Just exactly what is a "cleaver comback"?
Y'all southern boys sure do talk funny.
A cleaver is something used to make a cutting remark, which may also be clever, or not.
Very good...but in Justins' case I think he just has problems with the Queens' English.
Are y'all that stupid, JohnnyMop?
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:40:12 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>>>>>years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>>>>>>think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>>>>>>blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>>>>>games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>>>>>>is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>>>>>>don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>>>>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach >>>>>>>to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand >>>>>>>in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs >>>>>>>but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>>>>>handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, >>>>>>>since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks >>>>>>who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of >>>>>>them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of >>>>>the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military >>>>>capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly" >>>>>guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is >>>>>usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or >>>>>two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is >>>>>usually on ban lists.
Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20 >>>>million out there,
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >>>did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >>>they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
but once people had them, they adapted.
The 80's?
Who would have figured?
Anyone who was actually paying attention. I thought it was a stupid
campaign at the time and it took a decade to actually get the
legislation they were looking for. By then, the noise around it had
actually created a market where there had not really been one.
Even the serious collectors were not really interested in AKs or ARs
in the early 80s. I did know a guy with an M-60 tho.
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:23:27 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:40:12 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>>>>>>years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They >>>>>>>>>>think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a >>>>>>>>>>blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>>>>>>games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>>>>>>>is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>>>>>>>don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>>>>>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' >>>>>>>>>>
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach >>>>>>>>to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand >>>>>>>>in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs >>>>>>>>but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>>>>>>handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, >>>>>>>>since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks >>>>>>>who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of >>>>>>>them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of >>>>>>the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military >>>>>>capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly" >>>>>>guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is >>>>>>usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or >>>>>>two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is >>>>>>usually on ban lists.
Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20 >>>>>million out there,
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple >>>>of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they >>>>were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >>>>did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >>>>they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle >>>>but once people had them, they adapted.
The 80's?
Who would have figured?
Anyone who was actually paying attention. I thought it was a stupid >>campaign at the time and it took a decade to actually get the
legislation they were looking for. By then, the noise around it had >>actually created a market where there had not really been one.
Even the serious collectors were not really interested in AKs or ARs
in the early 80s. I did know a guy with an M-60 tho.
Oh. I suppose I wasn't paying enough attention to realize your comment >referred to something 40 years ago.
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:05:56 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:23:27 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:40:12 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>>>>>>>years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>>>>>>>games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there >>>>>>>>>>>is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they >>>>>>>>>>>don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>>>>>>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' >>>>>>>>>>>
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach >>>>>>>>>to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand >>>>>>>>>in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs >>>>>>>>>but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>>>>>>>handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, >>>>>>>>>since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks >>>>>>>>who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of >>>>>>>>them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of >>>>>>>the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military >>>>>>>capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly" >>>>>>>guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is >>>>>>>usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or >>>>>>>two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is >>>>>>>usually on ban lists.
Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20 >>>>>>million out there,
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple >>>>>of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they >>>>>were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular >>>>>sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >>>>>did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >>>>>they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle >>>>>but once people had them, they adapted.
The 80's?
Who would have figured?
Anyone who was actually paying attention. I thought it was a stupid >>>campaign at the time and it took a decade to actually get the
legislation they were looking for. By then, the noise around it had >>>actually created a market where there had not really been one.
Even the serious collectors were not really interested in AKs or ARs
in the early 80s. I did know a guy with an M-60 tho.
Oh. I suppose I wasn't paying enough attention to realize your comment >>referred to something 40 years ago.
Yup, this assault weapon thing has been 35-40 years in the making and
the impetus was the threat of a ban on something most people never
knew was a thing. The fastest way to sell something in the US is to
say "Hurry, limited time offer", "Close out" or "Get them before they
are gone".
Remember the toilet paper?
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:30:26 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:05:56 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:23:27 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:40:12 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), BillAnd anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>>>>>>>> years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>>>>>>>> games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>>>>>>>> movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' >>>>>>>>>>>>
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach >>>>>>>>>> to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs >>>>>>>>>> but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>>>>>>>> handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, >>>>>>>>>> since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks >>>>>>>>> who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of >>>>>>>>> them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of >>>>>>>> the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military >>>>>>>> capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly" >>>>>>>> guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is >>>>>>>> usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or >>>>>>>> two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is >>>>>>>> usually on ban lists.
Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20 >>>>>>> million out there,
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple >>>>>> of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>>>> problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they >>>>>> were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >>>>>> did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >>>>>> they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle >>>>>> but once people had them, they adapted.
The 80's?
Who would have figured?
Anyone who was actually paying attention. I thought it was a stupid
campaign at the time and it took a decade to actually get the
legislation they were looking for. By then, the noise around it had
actually created a market where there had not really been one.
Even the serious collectors were not really interested in AKs or ARs
in the early 80s. I did know a guy with an M-60 tho.
Oh. I suppose I wasn't paying enough attention to realize your comment
referred to something 40 years ago.
Yup, this assault weapon thing has been 35-40 years in the making and
the impetus was the threat of a ban on something most people never
knew was a thing. The fastest way to sell something in the US is to
say "Hurry, limited time offer", "Close out" or "Get them before they
are gone".
Remember the toilet paper?
That reminds me, there is a thread going on a real "boat" group about cannons. I bet most people do not understand that they are legal as
long as they are muzzle loaders. It is the same rule as a black powder
pistol or rifle. It can be a little thing you can carry under your arm
or something you would need to tow behind a F-350 truck.
I know Joe thinks they are illegal. I wonder if someone is going to
tell him? https://www.newsweek.com/biden-second-amendment-when-passed-couldnt-buy-cannon-1711480
Again this is a niche market that nobody talks about and most don't
even know about until some old biddy from California wants to close
the cannon loophole.
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:30:26 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:05:56 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:23:27 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:40:12 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), BillAnd anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>>>>>>>>> years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>>>>>>>>> movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs >>>>>>>>>>> but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>>>>>>>>> handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, >>>>>>>>>>> since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military >>>>>>>>> capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly" >>>>>>>>> guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is >>>>>>>>> usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or >>>>>>>>> two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
usually on ban lists.
Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20 >>>>>>>> million out there,
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple >>>>>>> of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>>>>> problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they >>>>>>> were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >>>>>>> did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >>>>>>> they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle >>>>>>> but once people had them, they adapted.
The 80's?
Who would have figured?
Anyone who was actually paying attention. I thought it was a stupid >>>>> campaign at the time and it took a decade to actually get the
legislation they were looking for. By then, the noise around it had
actually created a market where there had not really been one.
Even the serious collectors were not really interested in AKs or ARs >>>>> in the early 80s. I did know a guy with an M-60 tho.
Oh. I suppose I wasn't paying enough attention to realize your comment >>>> referred to something 40 years ago.
Yup, this assault weapon thing has been 35-40 years in the making and
the impetus was the threat of a ban on something most people never
knew was a thing. The fastest way to sell something in the US is to
say "Hurry, limited time offer", "Close out" or "Get them before they
are gone".
Remember the toilet paper?
That reminds me, there is a thread going on a real "boat" group about
cannons. I bet most people do not understand that they are legal as
long as they are muzzle loaders. It is the same rule as a black powder
pistol or rifle. It can be a little thing you can carry under your arm
or something you would need to tow behind a F-350 truck.
I know Joe thinks they are illegal. I wonder if someone is going to
tell him?
https://www.newsweek.com/biden-second-amendment-when-passed-couldnt-buy-cannon-1711480
Again this is a niche market that nobody talks about and most don't
even know about until some old biddy from California wants to close
the cannon loophole.
You used to be able to get a permit for breach loaders also. Growing up, >there was a local gun shop called Cannon Corner. They also supplied
cannons and once in awhile you would see someone towing one up,the highway.
They had a range up near Vallejo, CA.
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:30:26 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:05:56 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:23:27 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:40:12 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>>>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>>>>>>>>years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>>>>>>>>games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>>>>>>>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' >>>>>>>>>>>>
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach >>>>>>>>>>to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand >>>>>>>>>>in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs >>>>>>>>>>but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>>>>>>>>handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, >>>>>>>>>>since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks >>>>>>>>>who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of >>>>>>>>>them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of >>>>>>>>the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military >>>>>>>>capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly" >>>>>>>>guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is >>>>>>>>usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or >>>>>>>>two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is >>>>>>>>usually on ban lists.
Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20 >>>>>>>million out there,
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple >>>>>>of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>>>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they >>>>>>were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular >>>>>>sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >>>>>>did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >>>>>>they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle >>>>>>but once people had them, they adapted.
The 80's?
Who would have figured?
Anyone who was actually paying attention. I thought it was a stupid >>>>campaign at the time and it took a decade to actually get the >>>>legislation they were looking for. By then, the noise around it had >>>>actually created a market where there had not really been one.
Even the serious collectors were not really interested in AKs or ARs
in the early 80s. I did know a guy with an M-60 tho.
Oh. I suppose I wasn't paying enough attention to realize your comment >>>referred to something 40 years ago.
Yup, this assault weapon thing has been 35-40 years in the making and
the impetus was the threat of a ban on something most people never
knew was a thing. The fastest way to sell something in the US is to
say "Hurry, limited time offer", "Close out" or "Get them before they
are gone".
Remember the toilet paper?
That reminds me, there is a thread going on a real "boat" group about >cannons. I bet most people do not understand that they are legal as
long as they are muzzle loaders. It is the same rule as a black powder
pistol or rifle. It can be a little thing you can carry under your arm
or something you would need to tow behind a F-350 truck.
I know Joe thinks they are illegal. I wonder if someone is going to
tell him? >https://www.newsweek.com/biden-second-amendment-when-passed-couldnt-buy-cannon-1711480
Again this is a niche market that nobody talks about and most don't
even know about until some old biddy from California wants to close
the cannon loophole.
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 20:50:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:30:26 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:05:56 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:23:27 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:40:12 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>>>>>>>>>years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video >>>>>>>>>>>>>games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck. >>>>>>>>>>>>>End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach >>>>>>>>>>>to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs >>>>>>>>>>>but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>>>>>>>>>handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, >>>>>>>>>>>since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks >>>>>>>>>>who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of >>>>>>>>>>them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of >>>>>>>>>the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military >>>>>>>>>capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly" >>>>>>>>>guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is >>>>>>>>>usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or >>>>>>>>>two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is >>>>>>>>>usually on ban lists.
Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20 >>>>>>>>million out there,
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple >>>>>>>of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>>>>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they >>>>>>>were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular >>>>>>>sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >>>>>>>did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >>>>>>>they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle >>>>>>>but once people had them, they adapted.
The 80's?
Who would have figured?
Anyone who was actually paying attention. I thought it was a stupid >>>>>campaign at the time and it took a decade to actually get the >>>>>legislation they were looking for. By then, the noise around it had >>>>>actually created a market where there had not really been one.
Even the serious collectors were not really interested in AKs or ARs >>>>>in the early 80s. I did know a guy with an M-60 tho.
Oh. I suppose I wasn't paying enough attention to realize your comment >>>>referred to something 40 years ago.
Yup, this assault weapon thing has been 35-40 years in the making and
the impetus was the threat of a ban on something most people never
knew was a thing. The fastest way to sell something in the US is to
say "Hurry, limited time offer", "Close out" or "Get them before they
are gone".
Remember the toilet paper?
That reminds me, there is a thread going on a real "boat" group about >>cannons. I bet most people do not understand that they are legal as
long as they are muzzle loaders. It is the same rule as a black powder >>pistol or rifle. It can be a little thing you can carry under your arm
or something you would need to tow behind a F-350 truck.
I know Joe thinks they are illegal. I wonder if someone is going to
tell him? >>https://www.newsweek.com/biden-second-amendment-when-passed-couldnt-buy-cannon-1711480
Again this is a niche market that nobody talks about and most don't
even know about until some old biddy from California wants to close
the cannon loophole.
In this case, I agree it's a 'niche' market. But not in the AR-15
case.
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 16:42:03 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 20:50:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:30:26 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:05:56 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:23:27 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:40:12 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>>>>>>>>>>years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs >>>>>>>>>>>>but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>>>>>>>>>>handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, >>>>>>>>>>>>since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military >>>>>>>>>>capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly" >>>>>>>>>>guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is >>>>>>>>>>usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or >>>>>>>>>>two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
usually on ban lists.
Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20 >>>>>>>>>million out there,
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple >>>>>>>>of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>>>>>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they >>>>>>>>were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular >>>>>>>>sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >>>>>>>>did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >>>>>>>>they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle >>>>>>>>but once people had them, they adapted.
The 80's?
Who would have figured?
Anyone who was actually paying attention. I thought it was a stupid >>>>>>campaign at the time and it took a decade to actually get the >>>>>>legislation they were looking for. By then, the noise around it had >>>>>>actually created a market where there had not really been one.
Even the serious collectors were not really interested in AKs or ARs >>>>>>in the early 80s. I did know a guy with an M-60 tho.
Oh. I suppose I wasn't paying enough attention to realize your comment >>>>>referred to something 40 years ago.
Yup, this assault weapon thing has been 35-40 years in the making and >>>>the impetus was the threat of a ban on something most people never
knew was a thing. The fastest way to sell something in the US is to
say "Hurry, limited time offer", "Close out" or "Get them before they >>>>are gone".
Remember the toilet paper?
That reminds me, there is a thread going on a real "boat" group about >>>cannons. I bet most people do not understand that they are legal as
long as they are muzzle loaders. It is the same rule as a black powder >>>pistol or rifle. It can be a little thing you can carry under your arm
or something you would need to tow behind a F-350 truck.
I know Joe thinks they are illegal. I wonder if someone is going to
tell him? >>>https://www.newsweek.com/biden-second-amendment-when-passed-couldnt-buy-cannon-1711480
Again this is a niche market that nobody talks about and most don't
even know about until some old biddy from California wants to close
the cannon loophole.
In this case, I agree it's a 'niche' market. But not in the AR-15
case.
How many people did you know with an AR in 1980?
The point is, in the 80s, AK/AR type guns were a niche market. The
California girls in congress along with the media, started railing
about a nonexistent "assault rifle" problem and made it a problem.
On 6/10/22 2:34 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
but once people had them, they adapted.
I'll admit I had a bit of fascination with the "AR" platform for a
couple of years, but I am much more into "traditional" looking rifles
these days, rifles without bunches of pieces and parts and bulky
magazines sticking out of the bottom. Why, I can go days, sometimes
weeks and months without getting into a serious gunfight that requires
hi-cap magazines!
My favorite rifles are an old-style looking .22LR, a bolt-action 7.62 x
39 that shoots really tight groups, and a side-loading Henry lever
action rifle that shoots .38 Special through a suppressor and is pretty damned quiet. I only have "small" mags for the first two, and the
Henry's tube holds only eight rounds. It also shoots .357 MAG but I've
never bought any for it. The .38 Special rounds are subsonic and less expensive. I have five-round mags for the 7.62 rifle, but there are
higher cap mags available. I like the "fives" because they don't stick
out of the bottom of the rifle and they don't add excessive weight when
full. The Henry looks a bit tactical, but it is the only model line that factory offers with a threaded barrel.
I don't hunt and never have, though I do have friends who do and I
sometimes accompany them for the comradery and nature walks. One of my buddies has property that has a cave on it which bears sometimes occupy.
We check out the outside of the cave from a safe distance from time to
time but in 20 years, we've only seen bears once and he certainly
wouldn't shoot one of them. I saw a coyote last week crossing from one
woods to another and I'm hopeful no one shot it, either.
I don't have issues with "subsistence" hunters who need to put food on
the table for their families.
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
but once people had them, they adapted.
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 21:06:18 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 16:42:03 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 20:50:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:30:26 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:05:56 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:23:27 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:40:12 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually >>>>>>>>>>>>>handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho, >>>>>>>>>>>>>since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military
capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly" >>>>>>>>>>>guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is >>>>>>>>>>>usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
usually on ban lists.
Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20 >>>>>>>>>>million out there,
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple >>>>>>>>>of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>>>>>>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they >>>>>>>>>were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular >>>>>>>>>sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >>>>>>>>>did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >>>>>>>>>they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle >>>>>>>>>but once people had them, they adapted.
The 80's?
Who would have figured?
Anyone who was actually paying attention. I thought it was a stupid >>>>>>>campaign at the time and it took a decade to actually get the >>>>>>>legislation they were looking for. By then, the noise around it had >>>>>>>actually created a market where there had not really been one. >>>>>>>Even the serious collectors were not really interested in AKs or ARs >>>>>>>in the early 80s. I did know a guy with an M-60 tho.
Oh. I suppose I wasn't paying enough attention to realize your comment >>>>>>referred to something 40 years ago.
Yup, this assault weapon thing has been 35-40 years in the making and >>>>>the impetus was the threat of a ban on something most people never >>>>>knew was a thing. The fastest way to sell something in the US is to >>>>>say "Hurry, limited time offer", "Close out" or "Get them before they >>>>>are gone".
Remember the toilet paper?
That reminds me, there is a thread going on a real "boat" group about >>>>cannons. I bet most people do not understand that they are legal as >>>>long as they are muzzle loaders. It is the same rule as a black powder >>>>pistol or rifle. It can be a little thing you can carry under your arm >>>>or something you would need to tow behind a F-350 truck.
I know Joe thinks they are illegal. I wonder if someone is going to >>>>tell him? >>>>https://www.newsweek.com/biden-second-amendment-when-passed-couldnt-buy-cannon-1711480
Again this is a niche market that nobody talks about and most don't >>>>even know about until some old biddy from California wants to close
the cannon loophole.
In this case, I agree it's a 'niche' market. But not in the AR-15
case.
How many people did you know with an AR in 1980?
The point is, in the 80s, AK/AR type guns were a niche market. The >>California girls in congress along with the media, started railing
about a nonexistent "assault rifle" problem and made it a problem.
Greg, that's fine, but *NOWHERE* in your initial post about these
being 'niche' guns did you say anything about the 1980's!
Stop making up crap as you go.
On 6/10/22 2:34 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
but once people had them, they adapted.
I'll admit I had a bit of fascination with the "AR" platform for a
couple of years, but I am much more into "traditional" looking rifles
these days, rifles without bunches of pieces and parts and bulky
magazines sticking out of the bottom. Why, I can go days, sometimes
weeks and months without getting into a serious gunfight that requires
hi-cap magazines!
My favorite rifles are an old-style looking .22LR, a bolt-action 7.62 x
39 that shoots really tight groups, and a side-loading Henry lever
action rifle that shoots .38 Special through a suppressor and is pretty >damned quiet. I only have "small" mags for the first two, and the
Henry's tube holds only eight rounds. It also shoots .357 MAG but I've
never bought any for it. The .38 Special rounds are subsonic and less >expensive. I have five-round mags for the 7.62 rifle, but there are
higher cap mags available. I like the "fives" because they don't stick
out of the bottom of the rifle and they don't add excessive weight when
full. The Henry looks a bit tactical, but it is the only model line that >factory offers with a threaded barrel.
I don't hunt and never have, though I do have friends who do and I
sometimes accompany them for the comradery and nature walks. One of my >buddies has property that has a cave on it which bears sometimes occupy.
We check out the outside of the cave from a safe distance from time to
time but in 20 years, we've only seen bears once and he certainly
wouldn't shoot one of them. I saw a coyote last week crossing from one
woods to another and I'm hopeful no one shot it, either.
I don't have issues with "subsistence" hunters who need to put food on
the table for their families.
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 07:25:34 -0400, Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/10/22 2:34 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
but once people had them, they adapted.
I'll admit I had a bit of fascination with the "AR" platform for a
couple of years, but I am much more into "traditional" looking rifles
these days, rifles without bunches of pieces and parts and bulky
magazines sticking out of the bottom. Why, I can go days, sometimes
weeks and months without getting into a serious gunfight that requires
hi-cap magazines!
My favorite rifles are an old-style looking .22LR, a bolt-action 7.62 x
39 that shoots really tight groups, and a side-loading Henry lever
action rifle that shoots .38 Special through a suppressor and is pretty
damned quiet. I only have "small" mags for the first two, and the
Henry's tube holds only eight rounds. It also shoots .357 MAG but I've
never bought any for it. The .38 Special rounds are subsonic and less
expensive. I have five-round mags for the 7.62 rifle, but there are
higher cap mags available. I like the "fives" because they don't stick
out of the bottom of the rifle and they don't add excessive weight when
full. The Henry looks a bit tactical, but it is the only model line that
factory offers with a threaded barrel.
I don't hunt and never have, though I do have friends who do and I
sometimes accompany them for the comradery and nature walks. One of my
buddies has property that has a cave on it which bears sometimes occupy.
We check out the outside of the cave from a safe distance from time to
time but in 20 years, we've only seen bears once and he certainly
wouldn't shoot one of them. I saw a coyote last week crossing from one
woods to another and I'm hopeful no one shot it, either.
I don't have issues with "subsistence" hunters who need to put food on
the table for their families.
I don't hunt any more either but I would shoot an exotic invasive.
(Monitors, pythons, tegus, iguanas etc) I am mixed on coyotes. If a
pack of them was menacing the neighborhood I might thin them out. I
think my dog would kick one coyote's ass.
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 07:25:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/10/22 2:34 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >>>> did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >>>> they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
but once people had them, they adapted.
I'll admit I had a bit of fascination with the "AR" platform for a
couple of years, but I am much more into "traditional" looking rifles
these days, rifles without bunches of pieces and parts and bulky
magazines sticking out of the bottom. Why, I can go days, sometimes
weeks and months without getting into a serious gunfight that requires
hi-cap magazines!
My favorite rifles are an old-style looking .22LR, a bolt-action 7.62 x
39 that shoots really tight groups, and a side-loading Henry lever
action rifle that shoots .38 Special through a suppressor and is pretty
damned quiet. I only have "small" mags for the first two, and the
Henry's tube holds only eight rounds. It also shoots .357 MAG but I've
never bought any for it. The .38 Special rounds are subsonic and less
expensive. I have five-round mags for the 7.62 rifle, but there are
higher cap mags available. I like the "fives" because they don't stick
out of the bottom of the rifle and they don't add excessive weight when
full. The Henry looks a bit tactical, but it is the only model line that >>> factory offers with a threaded barrel.
I don't hunt and never have, though I do have friends who do and I
sometimes accompany them for the comradery and nature walks. One of my
buddies has property that has a cave on it which bears sometimes occupy. >>> We check out the outside of the cave from a safe distance from time to
time but in 20 years, we've only seen bears once and he certainly
wouldn't shoot one of them. I saw a coyote last week crossing from one
woods to another and I'm hopeful no one shot it, either.
I don't have issues with "subsistence" hunters who need to put food on
the table for their families.
I don't hunt any more either but I would shoot an exotic invasive.
(Monitors, pythons, tegus, iguanas etc) I am mixed on coyotes. If a
pack of them was menacing the neighborhood I might thin them out. I
think my dog would kick one coyote's ass.
I’ve heard Wile’s cousins were about and Karen saw one in the yard a few >weeks ago, but the one I saw recently was the first I’d seen locally.
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:34:14 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze <KeyserSoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 07:25:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/10/22 2:34 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple >>>>> of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they >>>>> were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >>>>> did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >>>>> they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle >>>>> but once people had them, they adapted.
I'll admit I had a bit of fascination with the "AR" platform for a
couple of years, but I am much more into "traditional" looking rifles
these days, rifles without bunches of pieces and parts and bulky
magazines sticking out of the bottom. Why, I can go days, sometimes
weeks and months without getting into a serious gunfight that requires >>>> hi-cap magazines!
My favorite rifles are an old-style looking .22LR, a bolt-action 7.62 x >>>> 39 that shoots really tight groups, and a side-loading Henry lever
action rifle that shoots .38 Special through a suppressor and is pretty >>>> damned quiet. I only have "small" mags for the first two, and the
Henry's tube holds only eight rounds. It also shoots .357 MAG but I've >>>> never bought any for it. The .38 Special rounds are subsonic and less
expensive. I have five-round mags for the 7.62 rifle, but there are
higher cap mags available. I like the "fives" because they don't stick >>>> out of the bottom of the rifle and they don't add excessive weight when >>>> full. The Henry looks a bit tactical, but it is the only model line that >>>> factory offers with a threaded barrel.
I don't hunt and never have, though I do have friends who do and I
sometimes accompany them for the comradery and nature walks. One of my >>>> buddies has property that has a cave on it which bears sometimes occupy. >>>> We check out the outside of the cave from a safe distance from time to >>>> time but in 20 years, we've only seen bears once and he certainly
wouldn't shoot one of them. I saw a coyote last week crossing from one >>>> woods to another and I'm hopeful no one shot it, either.
I don't have issues with "subsistence" hunters who need to put food on >>>> the table for their families.
I don't hunt any more either but I would shoot an exotic invasive.
(Monitors, pythons, tegus, iguanas etc) I am mixed on coyotes. If a
pack of them was menacing the neighborhood I might thin them out. I
think my dog would kick one coyote's ass.
I’ve heard Wile’s cousins were about and Karen saw one in the yard a few >> weeks ago, but the one I saw recently was the first I’d seen locally.
They are supposed to be around but I haven't seen one here. We do get
wild hogs and an occasional bear tho. I think the coyotes are more
common on Wayne's side of the river.
On 6/10/22 2:34 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
but once people had them, they adapted.
I'll admit I had a bit of fascination with the "AR" platform for a
couple of years, but I am much more into "traditional" looking rifles
these days, rifles without bunches of pieces and parts and bulky
magazines sticking out of the bottom. Why, I can go days, sometimes
weeks and months without getting into a serious gunfight that requires
hi-cap magazines!
My favorite rifles are an old-style looking .22LR, a bolt-action 7.62 x
39 that shoots really tight groups, and a side-loading Henry lever
action rifle that shoots .38 Special through a suppressor and is pretty >damned quiet. I only have "small" mags for the first two, and the
Henry's tube holds only eight rounds. It also shoots .357 MAG but I've
never bought any for it. The .38 Special rounds are subsonic and less >expensive. I have five-round mags for the 7.62 rifle, but there are
higher cap mags available. I like the "fives" because they don't stick
out of the bottom of the rifle and they don't add excessive weight when
full. The Henry looks a bit tactical, but it is the only model line that >factory offers with a threaded barrel.
I don't hunt and never have, though I do have friends who do and I
sometimes accompany them for the comradery and nature walks. One of my >buddies has property that has a cave on it which bears sometimes occupy.
We check out the outside of the cave from a safe distance from time to
time but in 20 years, we've only seen bears once and he certainly
wouldn't shoot one of them. I saw a coyote last week crossing from one
woods to another and I'm hopeful no one shot it, either.
I don't have issues with "subsistence" hunters who need to put food on
the table for their families.
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 06:32:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 21:06:18 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 16:42:03 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 20:50:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:30:26 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:05:56 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:23:27 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:40:12 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually
handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military
capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly" >>>>>>>>>>>>guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is >>>>>>>>>>>>usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
usually on ban lists.
Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20 >>>>>>>>>>>million out there,
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple >>>>>>>>>>of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>>>>>>>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they >>>>>>>>>>were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular >>>>>>>>>>sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle >>>>>>>>>>but once people had them, they adapted.
The 80's?
Who would have figured?
Anyone who was actually paying attention. I thought it was a stupid >>>>>>>>campaign at the time and it took a decade to actually get the >>>>>>>>legislation they were looking for. By then, the noise around it had >>>>>>>>actually created a market where there had not really been one. >>>>>>>>Even the serious collectors were not really interested in AKs or ARs >>>>>>>>in the early 80s. I did know a guy with an M-60 tho.
Oh. I suppose I wasn't paying enough attention to realize your comment >>>>>>>referred to something 40 years ago.
Yup, this assault weapon thing has been 35-40 years in the making and >>>>>>the impetus was the threat of a ban on something most people never >>>>>>knew was a thing. The fastest way to sell something in the US is to >>>>>>say "Hurry, limited time offer", "Close out" or "Get them before they >>>>>>are gone".
Remember the toilet paper?
That reminds me, there is a thread going on a real "boat" group about >>>>>cannons. I bet most people do not understand that they are legal as >>>>>long as they are muzzle loaders. It is the same rule as a black powder >>>>>pistol or rifle. It can be a little thing you can carry under your arm >>>>>or something you would need to tow behind a F-350 truck.
I know Joe thinks they are illegal. I wonder if someone is going to >>>>>tell him? >>>>>https://www.newsweek.com/biden-second-amendment-when-passed-couldnt-buy-cannon-1711480
Again this is a niche market that nobody talks about and most don't >>>>>even know about until some old biddy from California wants to close >>>>>the cannon loophole.
In this case, I agree it's a 'niche' market. But not in the AR-15
case.
How many people did you know with an AR in 1980?
The point is, in the 80s, AK/AR type guns were a niche market. The >>>California girls in congress along with the media, started railing
about a nonexistent "assault rifle" problem and made it a problem.
Greg, that's fine, but *NOWHERE* in your initial post about these
being 'niche' guns did you say anything about the 1980's!
Stop making up crap as you go.
OK lets review, just using the quotes above.
I started with this 10 notes ago
"The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a <where you >cropped>"
Eights notes ago I said this
"That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them."
That is not exactly changing anything or making anything up.
Maybe you can't think in historic terms and assume things happens in a >vacuum.
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 07:25:34 -0400, Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/10/22 2:34 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
but once people had them, they adapted.
I'll admit I had a bit of fascination with the "AR" platform for a
couple of years, but I am much more into "traditional" looking rifles
these days, rifles without bunches of pieces and parts and bulky
magazines sticking out of the bottom. Why, I can go days, sometimes
weeks and months without getting into a serious gunfight that requires
hi-cap magazines!
My favorite rifles are an old-style looking .22LR, a bolt-action 7.62 x
39 that shoots really tight groups, and a side-loading Henry lever
action rifle that shoots .38 Special through a suppressor and is pretty
damned quiet. I only have "small" mags for the first two, and the
Henry's tube holds only eight rounds. It also shoots .357 MAG but I've
never bought any for it. The .38 Special rounds are subsonic and less
expensive. I have five-round mags for the 7.62 rifle, but there are
higher cap mags available. I like the "fives" because they don't stick
out of the bottom of the rifle and they don't add excessive weight when
full. The Henry looks a bit tactical, but it is the only model line that
factory offers with a threaded barrel.
I don't hunt and never have, though I do have friends who do and I
sometimes accompany them for the comradery and nature walks. One of my
buddies has property that has a cave on it which bears sometimes occupy.
We check out the outside of the cave from a safe distance from time to
time but in 20 years, we've only seen bears once and he certainly
wouldn't shoot one of them. I saw a coyote last week crossing from one
woods to another and I'm hopeful no one shot it, either.
I don't have issues with "subsistence" hunters who need to put food on
the table for their families.
All coyotes should be shot!
Coyotes and rats share the same 'nuisance' pedigree!
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:34:14 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze <Keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 07:25:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/10/22 2:34 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple >>>> of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>> problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they >>>> were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >>>> did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >>>> they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle >>>> but once people had them, they adapted.
I'll admit I had a bit of fascination with the "AR" platform for a
couple of years, but I am much more into "traditional" looking rifles >>> these days, rifles without bunches of pieces and parts and bulky
magazines sticking out of the bottom. Why, I can go days, sometimes
weeks and months without getting into a serious gunfight that requires >>> hi-cap magazines!
My favorite rifles are an old-style looking .22LR, a bolt-action 7.62 x >>> 39 that shoots really tight groups, and a side-loading Henry lever
action rifle that shoots .38 Special through a suppressor and is pretty >>> damned quiet. I only have "small" mags for the first two, and the
Henry's tube holds only eight rounds. It also shoots .357 MAG but I've >>> never bought any for it. The .38 Special rounds are subsonic and less >>> expensive. I have five-round mags for the 7.62 rifle, but there are
higher cap mags available. I like the "fives" because they don't stick >>> out of the bottom of the rifle and they don't add excessive weight when >>> full. The Henry looks a bit tactical, but it is the only model line that >>> factory offers with a threaded barrel.
I don't hunt and never have, though I do have friends who do and I
sometimes accompany them for the comradery and nature walks. One of my >>> buddies has property that has a cave on it which bears sometimes occupy. >>> We check out the outside of the cave from a safe distance from time to >>> time but in 20 years, we've only seen bears once and he certainly
wouldn't shoot one of them. I saw a coyote last week crossing from one >>> woods to another and I'm hopeful no one shot it, either.
I don't have issues with "subsistence" hunters who need to put food on >>> the table for their families.
I don't hunt any more either but I would shoot an exotic invasive.
(Monitors, pythons, tegus, iguanas etc) I am mixed on coyotes. If a
pack of them was menacing the neighborhood I might thin them out. I
think my dog would kick one coyote's ass.
I’ve heard Wile’s cousins were about and Karen saw one in the yard a fewThey are supposed to be around but I haven't seen one here. We do get
weeks ago, but the one I saw recently was the first I’d seen locally.
wild hogs and an occasional bear tho. I think the coyotes are more
common on Wayne's side of the river.
On Tuesday, 14 June 2022 at 17:07:43 UTC-3, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 1:41:53 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:34:14 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze===
<Keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:wild hogs and an occasional bear tho. I think the coyotes are more
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 07:25:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/10/22 2:34 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple >>>>>>> of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>>>>> problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they >>>>>>> were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >>>>>>> did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >>>>>>> they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle >>>>>>> but once people had them, they adapted.
I'll admit I had a bit of fascination with the "AR" platform for a >>>>>> couple of years, but I am much more into "traditional" looking rifles >>>>>> these days, rifles without bunches of pieces and parts and bulky
magazines sticking out of the bottom. Why, I can go days, sometimes >>>>>> weeks and months without getting into a serious gunfight that requires >>>>>> hi-cap magazines!
My favorite rifles are an old-style looking .22LR, a bolt-action 7.62 x >>>>>> 39 that shoots really tight groups, and a side-loading Henry lever >>>>>> action rifle that shoots .38 Special through a suppressor and is pretty >>>>>> damned quiet. I only have "small" mags for the first two, and the
Henry's tube holds only eight rounds. It also shoots .357 MAG but I've >>>>>> never bought any for it. The .38 Special rounds are subsonic and less >>>>>> expensive. I have five-round mags for the 7.62 rifle, but there are >>>>>> higher cap mags available. I like the "fives" because they don't stick >>>>>> out of the bottom of the rifle and they don't add excessive weight when >>>>>> full. The Henry looks a bit tactical, but it is the only model line that >>>>>> factory offers with a threaded barrel.
I don't hunt and never have, though I do have friends who do and I >>>>>> sometimes accompany them for the comradery and nature walks. One of my >>>>>> buddies has property that has a cave on it which bears sometimes occupy. >>>>>> We check out the outside of the cave from a safe distance from time to >>>>>> time but in 20 years, we've only seen bears once and he certainly
wouldn't shoot one of them. I saw a coyote last week crossing from one >>>>>> woods to another and I'm hopeful no one shot it, either.
I don't have issues with "subsistence" hunters who need to put food on >>>>>> the table for their families.
I don't hunt any more either but I would shoot an exotic invasive.
(Monitors, pythons, tegus, iguanas etc) I am mixed on coyotes. If a
pack of them was menacing the neighborhood I might thin them out. I
think my dog would kick one coyote's ass.
I’ve heard Wile’s cousins were about and Karen saw one in the yard a few
weeks ago, but the one I saw recently was the first I’d seen locally. >>> They are supposed to be around but I haven't seen one here. We do get
common on Wayne's side of the river.
There have been reports of coyotes in the north end of town where there
are still a lot of wide open spaces. Haven't seen any around here but
who knows. We're starting to get iguanas however. Our old house up north
was only about 5 miles north of the NYC city limits and we had a few
coyotes. I saw one near our house once in broad daylight. Speaking of
broad daylight, we saw a full grown panther a few years ago in a
populated part of Sanibel Island. It came out of the underbrush on the
left side of the road, ambled slowly across in front of us, and then disappeared.
Just saw an item n a Texas story. A coyote almost had a cat for its
dinner on a house deck. The cat fought a great fight and was able to
finally escape by climbing a post.
That coyote was small compared to the hybrid coyote/wolf version we have up here.
Came across a pair on the way back from the Royal NS Yacht Squadron about
20 years ago and the big male was larger than a big German Shepherd.....longer but thinner in the body.
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 1:41:53 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:NYC city limits and we had a few coyotes. I saw one near our house once in broad daylight. Speaking of broad daylight, we saw a full grown panther a few years ago in a populated part of Sanibel Island. It came out of the underbrush on the left side of
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:34:14 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze <Keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 07:25:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/10/22 2:34 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple >>>> of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>> problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they >>>> were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle >>>> but once people had them, they adapted.
I'll admit I had a bit of fascination with the "AR" platform for a
couple of years, but I am much more into "traditional" looking rifles >>> these days, rifles without bunches of pieces and parts and bulky
magazines sticking out of the bottom. Why, I can go days, sometimes >>> weeks and months without getting into a serious gunfight that requires >>> hi-cap magazines!
My favorite rifles are an old-style looking .22LR, a bolt-action 7.62 x
39 that shoots really tight groups, and a side-loading Henry lever
action rifle that shoots .38 Special through a suppressor and is pretty
damned quiet. I only have "small" mags for the first two, and the
Henry's tube holds only eight rounds. It also shoots .357 MAG but I've >>> never bought any for it. The .38 Special rounds are subsonic and less >>> expensive. I have five-round mags for the 7.62 rifle, but there are >>> higher cap mags available. I like the "fives" because they don't stick >>> out of the bottom of the rifle and they don't add excessive weight when
full. The Henry looks a bit tactical, but it is the only model line that
factory offers with a threaded barrel.
I don't hunt and never have, though I do have friends who do and I
sometimes accompany them for the comradery and nature walks. One of my >>> buddies has property that has a cave on it which bears sometimes occupy.
We check out the outside of the cave from a safe distance from time to >>> time but in 20 years, we've only seen bears once and he certainly
wouldn't shoot one of them. I saw a coyote last week crossing from one >>> woods to another and I'm hopeful no one shot it, either.
I don't have issues with "subsistence" hunters who need to put food on >>> the table for their families.
I don't hunt any more either but I would shoot an exotic invasive.
(Monitors, pythons, tegus, iguanas etc) I am mixed on coyotes. If a
pack of them was menacing the neighborhood I might thin them out. I
think my dog would kick one coyote's ass.
===I’ve heard Wile’s cousins were about and Karen saw one in the yard a fewwild hogs and an occasional bear tho. I think the coyotes are more
weeks ago, but the one I saw recently was the first I’d seen locally. They are supposed to be around but I haven't seen one here. We do get
common on Wayne's side of the river.
There have been reports of coyotes in the north end of town where there are still a lot of wide open spaces. Haven't seen any around here but who knows. We're starting to get iguanas however. Our old house up north was only about 5 miles north of the
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:34:14 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
<KeyserSoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 07:25:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/10/22 2:34 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple >>>>>> of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>>>> problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they >>>>>> were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >>>>>> did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >>>>>> they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle >>>>>> but once people had them, they adapted.
I'll admit I had a bit of fascination with the "AR" platform for a
couple of years, but I am much more into "traditional" looking rifles >>>>> these days, rifles without bunches of pieces and parts and bulky
magazines sticking out of the bottom. Why, I can go days, sometimes
weeks and months without getting into a serious gunfight that requires >>>>> hi-cap magazines!
My favorite rifles are an old-style looking .22LR, a bolt-action 7.62 x >>>>> 39 that shoots really tight groups, and a side-loading Henry lever
action rifle that shoots .38 Special through a suppressor and is pretty >>>>> damned quiet. I only have "small" mags for the first two, and the
Henry's tube holds only eight rounds. It also shoots .357 MAG but I've >>>>> never bought any for it. The .38 Special rounds are subsonic and less >>>>> expensive. I have five-round mags for the 7.62 rifle, but there are
higher cap mags available. I like the "fives" because they don't stick >>>>> out of the bottom of the rifle and they don't add excessive weight when >>>>> full. The Henry looks a bit tactical, but it is the only model line that >>>>> factory offers with a threaded barrel.
I don't hunt and never have, though I do have friends who do and I
sometimes accompany them for the comradery and nature walks. One of my >>>>> buddies has property that has a cave on it which bears sometimes occupy. >>>>> We check out the outside of the cave from a safe distance from time to >>>>> time but in 20 years, we've only seen bears once and he certainly
wouldn't shoot one of them. I saw a coyote last week crossing from one >>>>> woods to another and I'm hopeful no one shot it, either.
I don't have issues with "subsistence" hunters who need to put food on >>>>> the table for their families.
I don't hunt any more either but I would shoot an exotic invasive.
(Monitors, pythons, tegus, iguanas etc) I am mixed on coyotes. If a
pack of them was menacing the neighborhood I might thin them out. I
think my dog would kick one coyote's ass.
I’ve heard Wile’s cousins were about and Karen saw one in the yard a few
weeks ago, but the one I saw recently was the first I’d seen locally.
They are supposed to be around but I haven't seen one here. We do get
wild hogs and an occasional bear tho. I think the coyotes are more
common on Wayne's side of the river.
They are out west. Maybe if they would chase the deer off, I could have
some rose blooms. They love the tender new growth on roses. We also have >mountain lions here.
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 18:20:15 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 06:32:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 21:06:18 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 16:42:03 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 20:50:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:30:26 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:05:56 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:23:27 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:40:12 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually
handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military
capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly" >>>>>>>>>>>>>guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
usually on ban lists.
Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20 >>>>>>>>>>>>million out there,
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>>>>>>>>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they >>>>>>>>>>>were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular >>>>>>>>>>>sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle >>>>>>>>>>>but once people had them, they adapted.
The 80's?
Who would have figured?
Anyone who was actually paying attention. I thought it was a stupid >>>>>>>>>campaign at the time and it took a decade to actually get the >>>>>>>>>legislation they were looking for. By then, the noise around it had >>>>>>>>>actually created a market where there had not really been one. >>>>>>>>>Even the serious collectors were not really interested in AKs or ARs >>>>>>>>>in the early 80s. I did know a guy with an M-60 tho.
Oh. I suppose I wasn't paying enough attention to realize your comment >>>>>>>>referred to something 40 years ago.
Yup, this assault weapon thing has been 35-40 years in the making and >>>>>>>the impetus was the threat of a ban on something most people never >>>>>>>knew was a thing. The fastest way to sell something in the US is to >>>>>>>say "Hurry, limited time offer", "Close out" or "Get them before they >>>>>>>are gone".
Remember the toilet paper?
That reminds me, there is a thread going on a real "boat" group about >>>>>>cannons. I bet most people do not understand that they are legal as >>>>>>long as they are muzzle loaders. It is the same rule as a black powder >>>>>>pistol or rifle. It can be a little thing you can carry under your arm >>>>>>or something you would need to tow behind a F-350 truck.
I know Joe thinks they are illegal. I wonder if someone is going to >>>>>>tell him? >>>>>>https://www.newsweek.com/biden-second-amendment-when-passed-couldnt-buy-cannon-1711480
Again this is a niche market that nobody talks about and most don't >>>>>>even know about until some old biddy from California wants to close >>>>>>the cannon loophole.
In this case, I agree it's a 'niche' market. But not in the AR-15 >>>>>case.
How many people did you know with an AR in 1980?
The point is, in the 80s, AK/AR type guns were a niche market. The >>>>California girls in congress along with the media, started railing >>>>about a nonexistent "assault rifle" problem and made it a problem.
Greg, that's fine, but *NOWHERE* in your initial post about these
being 'niche' guns did you say anything about the 1980's!
Stop making up crap as you go.
OK lets review, just using the quotes above.
I started with this 10 notes ago
"The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a <where you >>cropped>"
Eights notes ago I said this
"That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them."
That is not exactly changing anything or making anything up.
Maybe you can't think in historic terms and assume things happens in a >>vacuum.
Nope. Go back to your original post:
"The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks. "
Again, no mention of the 80's.
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 07:25:34 -0400, Keyser Söze ><KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/10/22 2:34 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
but once people had them, they adapted.
I'll admit I had a bit of fascination with the "AR" platform for a
couple of years, but I am much more into "traditional" looking rifles
these days, rifles without bunches of pieces and parts and bulky
magazines sticking out of the bottom. Why, I can go days, sometimes
weeks and months without getting into a serious gunfight that requires >>hi-cap magazines!
My favorite rifles are an old-style looking .22LR, a bolt-action 7.62 x
39 that shoots really tight groups, and a side-loading Henry lever
action rifle that shoots .38 Special through a suppressor and is pretty >>damned quiet. I only have "small" mags for the first two, and the
Henry's tube holds only eight rounds. It also shoots .357 MAG but I've >>never bought any for it. The .38 Special rounds are subsonic and less >>expensive. I have five-round mags for the 7.62 rifle, but there are
higher cap mags available. I like the "fives" because they don't stick
out of the bottom of the rifle and they don't add excessive weight when >>full. The Henry looks a bit tactical, but it is the only model line that >>factory offers with a threaded barrel.
I don't hunt and never have, though I do have friends who do and I >>sometimes accompany them for the comradery and nature walks. One of my >>buddies has property that has a cave on it which bears sometimes occupy.
We check out the outside of the cave from a safe distance from time to
time but in 20 years, we've only seen bears once and he certainly
wouldn't shoot one of them. I saw a coyote last week crossing from one >>woods to another and I'm hopeful no one shot it, either.
I don't have issues with "subsistence" hunters who need to put food on
the table for their families.
All coyotes should be shot!
Coyotes and rats share the same 'nuisance' pedigree!
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 1:41:53 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:NYC city limits and we had a few coyotes. I saw one near our house once in broad daylight. Speaking of broad daylight, we saw a full grown panther a few years ago in a populated part of Sanibel Island. It came out of the underbrush on the left side of the road, ambled slowly across in front of us, and then disappeared.
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:34:14 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
<Keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:They are supposed to be around but I haven't seen one here. We do get
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 07:25:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/10/22 2:34 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple >> >>>> of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >> >>>> did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >> >>>> they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
but once people had them, they adapted.
I'll admit I had a bit of fascination with the "AR" platform for a
couple of years, but I am much more into "traditional" looking rifles
these days, rifles without bunches of pieces and parts and bulky
magazines sticking out of the bottom. Why, I can go days, sometimes
weeks and months without getting into a serious gunfight that requires >> >>> hi-cap magazines!
My favorite rifles are an old-style looking .22LR, a bolt-action 7.62 x >> >>> 39 that shoots really tight groups, and a side-loading Henry lever
action rifle that shoots .38 Special through a suppressor and is pretty >> >>> damned quiet. I only have "small" mags for the first two, and the
Henry's tube holds only eight rounds. It also shoots .357 MAG but I've >> >>> never bought any for it. The .38 Special rounds are subsonic and less
expensive. I have five-round mags for the 7.62 rifle, but there are
higher cap mags available. I like the "fives" because they don't stick >> >>> out of the bottom of the rifle and they don't add excessive weight when >> >>> full. The Henry looks a bit tactical, but it is the only model line that >> >>> factory offers with a threaded barrel.
I don't hunt and never have, though I do have friends who do and I
sometimes accompany them for the comradery and nature walks. One of my >> >>> buddies has property that has a cave on it which bears sometimes occupy. >> >>> We check out the outside of the cave from a safe distance from time to >> >>> time but in 20 years, we've only seen bears once and he certainly
wouldn't shoot one of them. I saw a coyote last week crossing from one >> >>> woods to another and I'm hopeful no one shot it, either.
I don't have issues with "subsistence" hunters who need to put food on >> >>> the table for their families.
I don't hunt any more either but I would shoot an exotic invasive.
(Monitors, pythons, tegus, iguanas etc) I am mixed on coyotes. If a
pack of them was menacing the neighborhood I might thin them out. I
think my dog would kick one coyote's ass.
I’ve heard Wile’s cousins were about and Karen saw one in the yard a few
weeks ago, but the one I saw recently was the first I’d seen locally.
wild hogs and an occasional bear tho. I think the coyotes are more
common on Wayne's side of the river.
===
There have been reports of coyotes in the north end of town where there are still a lot of wide open spaces. Haven't seen any around here but who knows. We're starting to get iguanas however. Our old house up north was only about 5 miles north of the
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 18:20:15 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 06:32:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 21:06:18 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 16:42:03 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 20:50:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:30:26 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:05:56 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:23:27 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:40:12 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides?
Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame
the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually
handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military
capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
usually on ban lists.
Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20 >>>>>>>>>>>> million out there,
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>>>>>>>>> problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular >>>>>>>>>>> sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
but once people had them, they adapted.
The 80's?
Who would have figured?
Anyone who was actually paying attention. I thought it was a stupid >>>>>>>>> campaign at the time and it took a decade to actually get the >>>>>>>>> legislation they were looking for. By then, the noise around it had >>>>>>>>> actually created a market where there had not really been one. >>>>>>>>> Even the serious collectors were not really interested in AKs or ARs >>>>>>>>> in the early 80s. I did know a guy with an M-60 tho.
Oh. I suppose I wasn't paying enough attention to realize your comment >>>>>>>> referred to something 40 years ago.
Yup, this assault weapon thing has been 35-40 years in the making and >>>>>>> the impetus was the threat of a ban on something most people never >>>>>>> knew was a thing. The fastest way to sell something in the US is to >>>>>>> say "Hurry, limited time offer", "Close out" or "Get them before they >>>>>>> are gone".
Remember the toilet paper?
That reminds me, there is a thread going on a real "boat" group about >>>>>> cannons. I bet most people do not understand that they are legal as >>>>>> long as they are muzzle loaders. It is the same rule as a black powder >>>>>> pistol or rifle. It can be a little thing you can carry under your arm >>>>>> or something you would need to tow behind a F-350 truck.
I know Joe thinks they are illegal. I wonder if someone is going to >>>>>> tell him?
https://www.newsweek.com/biden-second-amendment-when-passed-couldnt-buy-cannon-1711480
Again this is a niche market that nobody talks about and most don't >>>>>> even know about until some old biddy from California wants to close >>>>>> the cannon loophole.
In this case, I agree it's a 'niche' market. But not in the AR-15
case.
How many people did you know with an AR in 1980?
The point is, in the 80s, AK/AR type guns were a niche market. The
California girls in congress along with the media, started railing
about a nonexistent "assault rifle" problem and made it a problem.
Greg, that's fine, but *NOWHERE* in your initial post about these
being 'niche' guns did you say anything about the 1980's!
Stop making up crap as you go.
OK lets review, just using the quotes above.
I started with this 10 notes ago
"The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a <where you
cropped>"
Eights notes ago I said this
"That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them."
That is not exactly changing anything or making anything up.
Maybe you can't think in historic terms and assume things happens in a
vacuum.
Nope. Go back to your original post:
"The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks. "
Again, no mention of the 80's.
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:56:39 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 07:25:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
On 6/10/22 2:34 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >>>> did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >>>> they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
but once people had them, they adapted.
I'll admit I had a bit of fascination with the "AR" platform for a
couple of years, but I am much more into "traditional" looking rifles
these days, rifles without bunches of pieces and parts and bulky
magazines sticking out of the bottom. Why, I can go days, sometimes
weeks and months without getting into a serious gunfight that requires
hi-cap magazines!
My favorite rifles are an old-style looking .22LR, a bolt-action 7.62 x
39 that shoots really tight groups, and a side-loading Henry lever
action rifle that shoots .38 Special through a suppressor and is pretty
damned quiet. I only have "small" mags for the first two, and the
Henry's tube holds only eight rounds. It also shoots .357 MAG but I've
never bought any for it. The .38 Special rounds are subsonic and less
expensive. I have five-round mags for the 7.62 rifle, but there are
higher cap mags available. I like the "fives" because they don't stick
out of the bottom of the rifle and they don't add excessive weight when
full. The Henry looks a bit tactical, but it is the only model line that >>> factory offers with a threaded barrel.
I don't hunt and never have, though I do have friends who do and I
sometimes accompany them for the comradery and nature walks. One of my
buddies has property that has a cave on it which bears sometimes occupy. >>> We check out the outside of the cave from a safe distance from time to
time but in 20 years, we've only seen bears once and he certainly
wouldn't shoot one of them. I saw a coyote last week crossing from one
woods to another and I'm hopeful no one shot it, either.
I don't have issues with "subsistence" hunters who need to put food on
the table for their families.
All coyotes should be shot!
Coyotes and rats share the same 'nuisance' pedigree!
There is nothing bad about either of those species in their own
environment. It is when they start encroaching on ours that they need
to be controlled.
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:52:54 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 18:20:15 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 06:32:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 21:06:18 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 16:42:03 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 20:50:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:30:26 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:05:56 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:23:27 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:40:12 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually
handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military
capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
usually on ban lists.
Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>million out there,
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>>>>>>>>>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular >>>>>>>>>>>>sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
but once people had them, they adapted.
The 80's?
Who would have figured?
Anyone who was actually paying attention. I thought it was a stupid >>>>>>>>>>campaign at the time and it took a decade to actually get the >>>>>>>>>>legislation they were looking for. By then, the noise around it had >>>>>>>>>>actually created a market where there had not really been one. >>>>>>>>>>Even the serious collectors were not really interested in AKs or ARs >>>>>>>>>>in the early 80s. I did know a guy with an M-60 tho.
Oh. I suppose I wasn't paying enough attention to realize your comment >>>>>>>>>referred to something 40 years ago.
Yup, this assault weapon thing has been 35-40 years in the making and >>>>>>>>the impetus was the threat of a ban on something most people never >>>>>>>>knew was a thing. The fastest way to sell something in the US is to >>>>>>>>say "Hurry, limited time offer", "Close out" or "Get them before they >>>>>>>>are gone".
Remember the toilet paper?
That reminds me, there is a thread going on a real "boat" group about >>>>>>>cannons. I bet most people do not understand that they are legal as >>>>>>>long as they are muzzle loaders. It is the same rule as a black powder >>>>>>>pistol or rifle. It can be a little thing you can carry under your arm >>>>>>>or something you would need to tow behind a F-350 truck.
I know Joe thinks they are illegal. I wonder if someone is going to >>>>>>>tell him? >>>>>>>https://www.newsweek.com/biden-second-amendment-when-passed-couldnt-buy-cannon-1711480
Again this is a niche market that nobody talks about and most don't >>>>>>>even know about until some old biddy from California wants to close >>>>>>>the cannon loophole.
In this case, I agree it's a 'niche' market. But not in the AR-15 >>>>>>case.
How many people did you know with an AR in 1980?
The point is, in the 80s, AK/AR type guns were a niche market. The >>>>>California girls in congress along with the media, started railing >>>>>about a nonexistent "assault rifle" problem and made it a problem.
Greg, that's fine, but *NOWHERE* in your initial post about these
being 'niche' guns did you say anything about the 1980's!
Stop making up crap as you go.
OK lets review, just using the quotes above.
I started with this 10 notes ago
"The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a <where you >>>cropped>"
Eights notes ago I said this
"That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >>>did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >>>they bought them."
That is not exactly changing anything or making anything up.
Maybe you can't think in historic terms and assume things happens in a >>>vacuum.
Nope. Go back to your original post:
"The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item
only really known to a few collectors and gun folks. "
Again, no mention of the 80's.
Did you actually think that started this year? This decade? This
century?
Maybe you didn't watch the news.
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 18:43:33 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:52:54 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 18:20:15 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 06:32:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 21:06:18 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 16:42:03 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 20:50:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:30:26 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:05:56 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:23:27 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:40:12 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>
On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a ' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually
handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military
capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
usually on ban lists.
Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>million out there,
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular >>>>>>>>>>>>>sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
but once people had them, they adapted.
The 80's?
Who would have figured?
Anyone who was actually paying attention. I thought it was a stupid >>>>>>>>>>>campaign at the time and it took a decade to actually get the >>>>>>>>>>>legislation they were looking for. By then, the noise around it had >>>>>>>>>>>actually created a market where there had not really been one. >>>>>>>>>>>Even the serious collectors were not really interested in AKs or ARs >>>>>>>>>>>in the early 80s. I did know a guy with an M-60 tho.
Oh. I suppose I wasn't paying enough attention to realize your comment
referred to something 40 years ago.
Yup, this assault weapon thing has been 35-40 years in the making and >>>>>>>>>the impetus was the threat of a ban on something most people never >>>>>>>>>knew was a thing. The fastest way to sell something in the US is to >>>>>>>>>say "Hurry, limited time offer", "Close out" or "Get them before they >>>>>>>>>are gone".
Remember the toilet paper?
That reminds me, there is a thread going on a real "boat" group about >>>>>>>>cannons. I bet most people do not understand that they are legal as >>>>>>>>long as they are muzzle loaders. It is the same rule as a black powder >>>>>>>>pistol or rifle. It can be a little thing you can carry under your arm >>>>>>>>or something you would need to tow behind a F-350 truck.
I know Joe thinks they are illegal. I wonder if someone is going to >>>>>>>>tell him? >>>>>>>>https://www.newsweek.com/biden-second-amendment-when-passed-couldnt-buy-cannon-1711480
Again this is a niche market that nobody talks about and most don't >>>>>>>>even know about until some old biddy from California wants to close >>>>>>>>the cannon loophole.
In this case, I agree it's a 'niche' market. But not in the AR-15 >>>>>>>case.
How many people did you know with an AR in 1980?
The point is, in the 80s, AK/AR type guns were a niche market. The >>>>>>California girls in congress along with the media, started railing >>>>>>about a nonexistent "assault rifle" problem and made it a problem.
Greg, that's fine, but *NOWHERE* in your initial post about these >>>>>being 'niche' guns did you say anything about the 1980's!
Stop making up crap as you go.
OK lets review, just using the quotes above.
I started with this 10 notes ago
"The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a <where you >>>>cropped>"
Eights notes ago I said this
"That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple >>>>of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they >>>>were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >>>>did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >>>>they bought them."
That is not exactly changing anything or making anything up.
Maybe you can't think in historic terms and assume things happens in a >>>>vacuum.
Nope. Go back to your original post:
"The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item >>>only really known to a few collectors and gun folks. "
Again, no mention of the 80's.
Did you actually think that started this year? This decade? This
century?
Maybe you didn't watch the news.
I was simply commenting on your remark. You lost that one.
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 18:43:33 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:52:54 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 18:20:15 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 06:32:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 21:06:18 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 16:42:03 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 20:50:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:30:26 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:05:56 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:23:27 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:40:12 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50
Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
knife?
It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
blaze of gunfire.
We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>End it now.
The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually
handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
since they became cops and not life savers.
Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
them. And many of them are buying them.
I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military
capacity?
Very few of them ever actually served in combat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
two but they are not scary looking ones.
Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
usually on ban lists.
Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20
million out there,
That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular >>>>>>>>>>>>sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
they bought them.
At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
but once people had them, they adapted.
The 80's?
Who would have figured?
Anyone who was actually paying attention. I thought it was a stupid >>>>>>>>>>campaign at the time and it took a decade to actually get the >>>>>>>>>>legislation they were looking for. By then, the noise around it had >>>>>>>>>>actually created a market where there had not really been one. >>>>>>>>>>Even the serious collectors were not really interested in AKs or ARs
in the early 80s. I did know a guy with an M-60 tho.
Oh. I suppose I wasn't paying enough attention to realize your comment
referred to something 40 years ago.
Yup, this assault weapon thing has been 35-40 years in the making and >>>>>>>>the impetus was the threat of a ban on something most people never >>>>>>>>knew was a thing. The fastest way to sell something in the US is to >>>>>>>>say "Hurry, limited time offer", "Close out" or "Get them before they >>>>>>>>are gone".
Remember the toilet paper?
That reminds me, there is a thread going on a real "boat" group about >>>>>>>cannons. I bet most people do not understand that they are legal as >>>>>>>long as they are muzzle loaders. It is the same rule as a black powder >>>>>>>pistol or rifle. It can be a little thing you can carry under your arm >>>>>>>or something you would need to tow behind a F-350 truck.
I know Joe thinks they are illegal. I wonder if someone is going to >>>>>>>tell him? >>>>>>>https://www.newsweek.com/biden-second-amendment-when-passed-couldnt-buy-cannon-1711480
Again this is a niche market that nobody talks about and most don't >>>>>>>even know about until some old biddy from California wants to close >>>>>>>the cannon loophole.
In this case, I agree it's a 'niche' market. But not in the AR-15 >>>>>>case.
How many people did you know with an AR in 1980?
The point is, in the 80s, AK/AR type guns were a niche market. The >>>>>California girls in congress along with the media, started railing >>>>>about a nonexistent "assault rifle" problem and made it a problem.
Greg, that's fine, but *NOWHERE* in your initial post about these >>>>being 'niche' guns did you say anything about the 1980's!
Stop making up crap as you go.
OK lets review, just using the quotes above.
I started with this 10 notes ago
"The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the >>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a <where you >>>cropped>"
Eights notes ago I said this
"That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple >>>of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent >>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they >>>were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people >>>did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available, >>>they bought them."
That is not exactly changing anything or making anything up.
Maybe you can't think in historic terms and assume things happens in a >>>vacuum.
Nope. Go back to your original post:
"The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item >>only really known to a few collectors and gun folks. "
Again, no mention of the 80's.
Did you actually think that started this year? This decade? This
century?
Maybe you didn't watch the news.I was simply commenting on your remark. You lost that one.
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