• Re: Boats going green

    From True North@21:1/5 to justan on Fri Apr 1 16:37:23 2022
    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet? Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms.

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  • From justan@21:1/5 to True North on Fri Apr 1 23:53:01 2022
    On 4/1/22 7:37 PM, True North wrote:
    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet?
    Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms.

    I think you have the right idea.. Instead of hauling around the equivelant
    of 9 cars, be satisfied draggin around miniature versions of the toys you
    really want.

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  • From justan@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 1 23:26:43 2022
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet?
    Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to princecraft49@gmail.com on Sat Apr 2 14:08:00 2022
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet?
    Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms.

    The big pickups are just the result of government meddling in the
    market place. They mandate a certain CAFE but they exempt large trucks
    so the manufacturers build more trucks, where the profit is, to
    subsidize the econoboxes, that barely support the price it costs to
    deliver them.
    The current dream is that we will embrace EVs and drive up the CAFE to
    40MPG but they still haven't figured out where the electricity to
    charge them will come from.
    The same greenies who want solar and wind farms will fight tooth and
    nail against building the transmission lines that bring that power to
    where it is needed and those rights of way don't exist now.

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  • From wayne.beardsley@gmail.com@21:1/5 to gfre...@aol.com on Sat Apr 2 13:45:48 2022
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 2:08:27 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet? >> Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms.
    The big pickups are just the result of government meddling in the
    market place. They mandate a certain CAFE but they exempt large trucks
    so the manufacturers build more trucks, where the profit is, to
    subsidize the econoboxes, that barely support the price it costs to
    deliver them.
    The current dream is that we will embrace EVs and drive up the CAFE to
    40MPG but they still haven't figured out where the electricity to
    charge them will come from.
    The same greenies who want solar and wind farms will fight tooth and
    nail against building the transmission lines that bring that power to
    where it is needed and those rights of way don't exist now.

    ===

    Here in the southern states there's a good case to be made for rooftop solar combined with lithium battery banks and inverters. That requires no new transmission lines at all. I'd consider buying an electric car if they had one with either a 600 mile
    range or a really fast recharge time, maybe the time of a quick lunch.

    Many of the best wind farm sites are in rural areas where rights of way are relatively easy to negotiate. Europe, which tends to have greater population density than the United States, is going all in on wind farms. I haven't heard of any transmission
    line issues there.

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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 2 22:01:22 2022
    On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 13:45:48 -0700 (PDT),
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 2:08:27 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet? >> >> Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms.
    The big pickups are just the result of government meddling in the
    market place. They mandate a certain CAFE but they exempt large trucks
    so the manufacturers build more trucks, where the profit is, to
    subsidize the econoboxes, that barely support the price it costs to
    deliver them.
    The current dream is that we will embrace EVs and drive up the CAFE to
    40MPG but they still haven't figured out where the electricity to
    charge them will come from.
    The same greenies who want solar and wind farms will fight tooth and
    nail against building the transmission lines that bring that power to
    where it is needed and those rights of way don't exist now.

    ===

    Here in the southern states there's a good case to be made for rooftop solar combined with lithium battery banks and inverters. That requires no new transmission lines at all. I'd consider buying an electric car if they had one with either a 600 mile
    range or a really fast recharge time, maybe the time of a quick lunch.

    These schemes end up being welfare for the rich. The current fight
    about net metering is a great example. Folks who can afford a 5 figure installation on the roof want FPL to pay them full retail rates for
    excess power and let the less fortunate fund maintaining the grid and
    the administration costs. They also expect tax payer subsidies to
    install their solar and pay for $8,000 of their Tesla..
    You do have a point tho, without batteries, we still need the grid, particularly if we are charging EVs that will not be home when the sun
    is shining.
    Batteries will be about $20k if a Tesla is any indication and they
    last about 8 years. Again, it is a rich person's toy subsidized by
    those who can't afford it.
    Do we know how insurance companies will feel about solar after the
    next big one? That might be a show stopper far all but those who can
    afford to just walk away from a $15-20k loss.

    Many of the best wind farm sites are in rural areas where rights of way are relatively easy to negotiate.

    As for right of way space, you can't be that sanguine about that being
    so easy either. Those goobers are far more likely to believe the
    rumors about the dangers of power lines.

    Europe, which tends to have greater population density than the United States, is going all in on wind farms. I haven't heard of >any transmission line issues there.

    This isn't Europe. We seem to take property rights more seriously. You
    are also talking about much longer transmission lines. At a certain
    point I2R losses start eating into your transmission capacity. It is
    no accident that generating plants are close to the users.
    I am sure we will come up with an answer eventually but it is probably
    not going to involve current technology, at least not at a price we
    will be willing to pay.

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Sun Apr 3 03:16:14 2022
    <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 13:45:48 -0700 (PDT),
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 2:08:27 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet? >>>>> Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with
    infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms.
    The big pickups are just the result of government meddling in the
    market place. They mandate a certain CAFE but they exempt large trucks
    so the manufacturers build more trucks, where the profit is, to
    subsidize the econoboxes, that barely support the price it costs to
    deliver them.
    The current dream is that we will embrace EVs and drive up the CAFE to
    40MPG but they still haven't figured out where the electricity to
    charge them will come from.
    The same greenies who want solar and wind farms will fight tooth and
    nail against building the transmission lines that bring that power to
    where it is needed and those rights of way don't exist now.

    ===

    Here in the southern states there's a good case to be made for rooftop
    solar combined with lithium battery banks and inverters. That requires
    no new transmission lines at all. I'd consider buying an electric car
    if they had one with either a 600 mile range or a really fast recharge
    time, maybe the time of a quick lunch.

    These schemes end up being welfare for the rich. The current fight
    about net metering is a great example. Folks who can afford a 5 figure installation on the roof want FPL to pay them full retail rates for
    excess power and let the less fortunate fund maintaining the grid and
    the administration costs. They also expect tax payer subsidies to
    install their solar and pay for $8,000 of their Tesla..
    You do have a point tho, without batteries, we still need the grid, particularly if we are charging EVs that will not be home when the sun
    is shining.
    Batteries will be about $20k if a Tesla is any indication and they
    last about 8 years. Again, it is a rich person's toy subsidized by
    those who can't afford it.
    Do we know how insurance companies will feel about solar after the
    next big one? That might be a show stopper far all but those who can
    afford to just walk away from a $15-20k loss.

    Many of the best wind farm sites are in rural areas where rights of way
    are relatively easy to negotiate.

    As for right of way space, you can't be that sanguine about that being
    so easy either. Those goobers are far more likely to believe the
    rumors about the dangers of power lines.

    Europe, which tends to have greater population density than the United
    States, is going all in on wind farms. I haven't heard of >any
    transmission line issues there.

    This isn't Europe. We seem to take property rights more seriously. You
    are also talking about much longer transmission lines. At a certain
    point I2R losses start eating into your transmission capacity. It is
    no accident that generating plants are close to the users.
    I am sure we will come up with an answer eventually but it is probably
    not going to involve current technology, at least not at a price we
    will be willing to pay.



    We used to have about 3% power line loss. Now, I understand it is in the
    9% range, as lots more power being fed through those same lines. You are correct about net metering. My electric bill is $10 a month, that is a
    grid connection fee. They true up my bill in December, if my roof top
    panels generate less power than I used. Does not seem to be a factor for
    me. All through winter, my true up has been zero. You going to charge
    you car from your battery bank? It has to be quite a bit larger than the
    car battery, as there are losses in the conversion.

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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Sun Apr 3 07:33:52 2022
    On 4/2/2022 2:08 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet? >>> Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms.

    The big pickups are just the result of government meddling in the
    market place. They mandate a certain CAFE but they exempt large trucks
    so the manufacturers build more trucks, where the profit is, to
    subsidize the econoboxes, that barely support the price it costs to
    deliver them.
    The current dream is that we will embrace EVs and drive up the CAFE to
    40MPG but they still haven't figured out where the electricity to
    charge them will come from.
    The same greenies who want solar and wind farms will fight tooth and
    nail against building the transmission lines that bring that power to
    where it is needed and those rights of way don't exist now.



    This company appears to be picking up where
    Nikola Tesla left off:


    <https://emrod.energy/emrod-vs-teslas-long-range-wireless-power-technology/>

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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Sun Apr 3 07:36:05 2022
    On 4/2/2022 10:01 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 13:45:48 -0700 (PDT),
    "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 2:08:27 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet? >>>>> Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms.
    The big pickups are just the result of government meddling in the
    market place. They mandate a certain CAFE but they exempt large trucks
    so the manufacturers build more trucks, where the profit is, to
    subsidize the econoboxes, that barely support the price it costs to
    deliver them.
    The current dream is that we will embrace EVs and drive up the CAFE to
    40MPG but they still haven't figured out where the electricity to
    charge them will come from.
    The same greenies who want solar and wind farms will fight tooth and
    nail against building the transmission lines that bring that power to
    where it is needed and those rights of way don't exist now.

    ===

    Here in the southern states there's a good case to be made for rooftop solar combined with lithium battery banks and inverters. That requires no new transmission lines at all. I'd consider buying an electric car if they had one with either a 600
    mile range or a really fast recharge time, maybe the time of a quick lunch.

    These schemes end up being welfare for the rich. The current fight
    about net metering is a great example. Folks who can afford a 5 figure installation on the roof want FPL to pay them full retail rates for
    excess power and let the less fortunate fund maintaining the grid and
    the administration costs. They also expect tax payer subsidies to
    install their solar and pay for $8,000 of their Tesla..
    You do have a point tho, without batteries, we still need the grid, particularly if we are charging EVs that will not be home when the sun
    is shining.
    Batteries will be about $20k if a Tesla is any indication and they
    last about 8 years. Again, it is a rich person's toy subsidized by
    those who can't afford it.
    Do we know how insurance companies will feel about solar after the
    next big one? That might be a show stopper far all but those who can
    afford to just walk away from a $15-20k loss.

    Many of the best wind farm sites are in rural areas where rights of way are relatively easy to negotiate.

    As for right of way space, you can't be that sanguine about that being
    so easy either. Those goobers are far more likely to believe the
    rumors about the dangers of power lines.

    Europe, which tends to have greater population density than the United States, is going all in on wind farms. I haven't heard of >any transmission line issues there.

    This isn't Europe. We seem to take property rights more seriously. You
    are also talking about much longer transmission lines. At a certain
    point I2R losses start eating into your transmission capacity. It is
    no accident that generating plants are close to the users.
    I am sure we will come up with an answer eventually but it is probably
    not going to involve current technology, at least not at a price we
    will be willing to pay.



    Where is Nikola Tesla when we need him?

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to Mr. Luddite on Sun Apr 3 14:57:06 2022
    Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
    On 4/2/2022 2:08 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet? >>>> Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with infernal
    combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms.

    The big pickups are just the result of government meddling in the
    market place. They mandate a certain CAFE but they exempt large trucks
    so the manufacturers build more trucks, where the profit is, to
    subsidize the econoboxes, that barely support the price it costs to
    deliver them.
    The current dream is that we will embrace EVs and drive up the CAFE to
    40MPG but they still haven't figured out where the electricity to
    charge them will come from.
    The same greenies who want solar and wind farms will fight tooth and
    nail against building the transmission lines that bring that power to
    where it is needed and those rights of way don't exist now.



    This company appears to be picking up where
    Nikola Tesla left off:


    <https://emrod.energy/emrod-vs-teslas-long-range-wireless-power-technology/>


    We still have to generate the power. And since nuclear is dead. . .

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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 3 12:33:28 2022
    On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 07:33:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/2/2022 2:08 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet? >>>> Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms.

    The big pickups are just the result of government meddling in the
    market place. They mandate a certain CAFE but they exempt large trucks
    so the manufacturers build more trucks, where the profit is, to
    subsidize the econoboxes, that barely support the price it costs to
    deliver them.
    The current dream is that we will embrace EVs and drive up the CAFE to
    40MPG but they still haven't figured out where the electricity to
    charge them will come from.
    The same greenies who want solar and wind farms will fight tooth and
    nail against building the transmission lines that bring that power to
    where it is needed and those rights of way don't exist now.



    This company appears to be picking up where
    Nikola Tesla left off:


    <https://emrod.energy/emrod-vs-teslas-long-range-wireless-power-technology/>

    Yeah, Nobody has ever said radiated RF was dangerous ;-)

    There are people with their panties in a knot over the VLF radiation
    coming from a balanced 3 phase transmission line. Imagine what they
    would say about a multi megawatt transmission antenna radiating power
    over your lot.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Sun Apr 3 13:24:36 2022
    On 4/3/2022 12:33 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 07:33:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/2/2022 2:08 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet? >>>>> Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms.

    The big pickups are just the result of government meddling in the
    market place. They mandate a certain CAFE but they exempt large trucks
    so the manufacturers build more trucks, where the profit is, to
    subsidize the econoboxes, that barely support the price it costs to
    deliver them.
    The current dream is that we will embrace EVs and drive up the CAFE to
    40MPG but they still haven't figured out where the electricity to
    charge them will come from.
    The same greenies who want solar and wind farms will fight tooth and
    nail against building the transmission lines that bring that power to
    where it is needed and those rights of way don't exist now.



    This company appears to be picking up where
    Nikola Tesla left off:


    <https://emrod.energy/emrod-vs-teslas-long-range-wireless-power-technology/>

    Yeah, Nobody has ever said radiated RF was dangerous ;-)

    There are people with their panties in a knot over the VLF radiation
    coming from a balanced 3 phase transmission line. Imagine what they
    would say about a multi megawatt transmission antenna radiating power
    over your lot.

    Probably descendants of those who said man could never fly.

    Personally, I think we are more in danger of RF radiation due
    to cell phones.

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  • From wayne.beardsley@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Mr. Luddite on Sun Apr 3 11:36:29 2022
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:24:42 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 4/3/2022 12:33 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 07:33:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/2/2022 2:08 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet?
    Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms.

    The big pickups are just the result of government meddling in the
    market place. They mandate a certain CAFE but they exempt large trucks >>> so the manufacturers build more trucks, where the profit is, to
    subsidize the econoboxes, that barely support the price it costs to
    deliver them.
    The current dream is that we will embrace EVs and drive up the CAFE to >>> 40MPG but they still haven't figured out where the electricity to
    charge them will come from.
    The same greenies who want solar and wind farms will fight tooth and
    nail against building the transmission lines that bring that power to
    where it is needed and those rights of way don't exist now.



    This company appears to be picking up where
    Nikola Tesla left off:


    <https://emrod.energy/emrod-vs-teslas-long-range-wireless-power-technology/>

    Yeah, Nobody has ever said radiated RF was dangerous ;-)

    There are people with their panties in a knot over the VLF radiation
    coming from a balanced 3 phase transmission line. Imagine what they
    would say about a multi megawatt transmission antenna radiating power
    over your lot.
    Probably descendants of those who said man could never fly.

    Personally, I think we are more in danger of RF radiation due
    to cell phones.
    --

    ===

    Not to mention leaky microwave ovens. I have personally experienced microwave ovens that leaked enough radiation to kill WiFi reception and BlueTooth connectivity. I don't think it's that uncommon.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 4 00:57:05 2022
    On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 13:24:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/3/2022 12:33 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 07:33:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/2/2022 2:08 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet?
    Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms.

    The big pickups are just the result of government meddling in the
    market place. They mandate a certain CAFE but they exempt large trucks >>>> so the manufacturers build more trucks, where the profit is, to
    subsidize the econoboxes, that barely support the price it costs to
    deliver them.
    The current dream is that we will embrace EVs and drive up the CAFE to >>>> 40MPG but they still haven't figured out where the electricity to
    charge them will come from.
    The same greenies who want solar and wind farms will fight tooth and
    nail against building the transmission lines that bring that power to
    where it is needed and those rights of way don't exist now.



    This company appears to be picking up where
    Nikola Tesla left off:


    <https://emrod.energy/emrod-vs-teslas-long-range-wireless-power-technology/>

    Yeah, Nobody has ever said radiated RF was dangerous ;-)

    There are people with their panties in a knot over the VLF radiation
    coming from a balanced 3 phase transmission line. Imagine what they
    would say about a multi megawatt transmission antenna radiating power
    over your lot.

    Probably descendants of those who said man could never fly.

    Personally, I think we are more in danger of RF radiation due
    to cell phones.

    It is a different type of radiation with different effects but I will
    say up near the 230k power line behind my house my gauss meter really
    hums. I don't remember the numbers off hand but it is about 20x what
    it is if I am in the park away from anything electrical. It is also
    quite a bit higher than under the single phase 13kv distribution line
    that runs from transformer to transformer.

    There are also lots of radiators around the house and my meter doesn't
    even see RF.

    Some day I might actually put numbers to all of that and do a real
    survey. I played with the meter for about a half hour and decided I
    had more important things to worry about.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com on Mon Apr 4 16:39:04 2022
    waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:24:42 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 4/3/2022 12:33 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 07:33:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/2/2022 2:08 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet?
    Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with
    infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms. >>>>>
    The big pickups are just the result of government meddling in the
    market place. They mandate a certain CAFE but they exempt large trucks >>>>> so the manufacturers build more trucks, where the profit is, to
    subsidize the econoboxes, that barely support the price it costs to
    deliver them.
    The current dream is that we will embrace EVs and drive up the CAFE to >>>>> 40MPG but they still haven't figured out where the electricity to
    charge them will come from.
    The same greenies who want solar and wind farms will fight tooth and >>>>> nail against building the transmission lines that bring that power to >>>>> where it is needed and those rights of way don't exist now.



    This company appears to be picking up where
    Nikola Tesla left off:


    <https://emrod.energy/emrod-vs-teslas-long-range-wireless-power-technology/>

    Yeah, Nobody has ever said radiated RF was dangerous ;-)

    There are people with their panties in a knot over the VLF radiation
    coming from a balanced 3 phase transmission line. Imagine what they
    would say about a multi megawatt transmission antenna radiating power
    over your lot.
    Probably descendants of those who said man could never fly.

    Personally, I think we are more in danger of RF radiation due
    to cell phones.
    --

    ===

    Not to mention leaky microwave ovens. I have personally experienced microwave ovens that leaked enough radiation to kill WiFi reception and BlueTooth connectivity. I don't think it's that uncommon.


    Maybe if the get power transmission problems cured, the space based solar
    array makes sense.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to califbill9998remove8@gmail.com on Mon Apr 4 12:56:28 2022
    On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 16:39:04 -0000 (UTC), Bill
    <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

    waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:24:42 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 4/3/2022 12:33 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 07:33:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/2/2022 2:08 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet?
    Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with
    infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms. >>>>>>
    The big pickups are just the result of government meddling in the
    market place. They mandate a certain CAFE but they exempt large trucks >>>>>> so the manufacturers build more trucks, where the profit is, to
    subsidize the econoboxes, that barely support the price it costs to >>>>>> deliver them.
    The current dream is that we will embrace EVs and drive up the CAFE to >>>>>> 40MPG but they still haven't figured out where the electricity to
    charge them will come from.
    The same greenies who want solar and wind farms will fight tooth and >>>>>> nail against building the transmission lines that bring that power to >>>>>> where it is needed and those rights of way don't exist now.



    This company appears to be picking up where
    Nikola Tesla left off:


    <https://emrod.energy/emrod-vs-teslas-long-range-wireless-power-technology/>

    Yeah, Nobody has ever said radiated RF was dangerous ;-)

    There are people with their panties in a knot over the VLF radiation
    coming from a balanced 3 phase transmission line. Imagine what they
    would say about a multi megawatt transmission antenna radiating power
    over your lot.
    Probably descendants of those who said man could never fly.

    Personally, I think we are more in danger of RF radiation due
    to cell phones.
    --

    ===

    Not to mention leaky microwave ovens. I have personally experienced
    microwave ovens that leaked enough radiation to kill WiFi reception and
    BlueTooth connectivity. I don't think it's that uncommon.


    Maybe if the get power transmission problems cured, the space based solar >array makes sense.

    They still have not explained how you can have several megawatts
    coming down in an RF beam and not be a hazard.
    In a world where a significant part of the population thinks we are
    being poisoned by lots of stuff, I think this is a non-starter. Anyone
    who got cancer within 100 miles of the ground station would be calling
    Morgan and Morgan.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bill@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Tue Apr 5 03:07:59 2022
    <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 16:39:04 -0000 (UTC), Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

    waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:24:42 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 4/3/2022 12:33 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 07:33:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On 4/2/2022 2:08 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet?
    Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with >>>>>>>> infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms. >>>>>>>
    The big pickups are just the result of government meddling in the >>>>>>> market place. They mandate a certain CAFE but they exempt large trucks >>>>>>> so the manufacturers build more trucks, where the profit is, to
    subsidize the econoboxes, that barely support the price it costs to >>>>>>> deliver them.
    The current dream is that we will embrace EVs and drive up the CAFE to >>>>>>> 40MPG but they still haven't figured out where the electricity to >>>>>>> charge them will come from.
    The same greenies who want solar and wind farms will fight tooth and >>>>>>> nail against building the transmission lines that bring that power to >>>>>>> where it is needed and those rights of way don't exist now.



    This company appears to be picking up where
    Nikola Tesla left off:


    <https://emrod.energy/emrod-vs-teslas-long-range-wireless-power-technology/>

    Yeah, Nobody has ever said radiated RF was dangerous ;-)

    There are people with their panties in a knot over the VLF radiation >>>>> coming from a balanced 3 phase transmission line. Imagine what they
    would say about a multi megawatt transmission antenna radiating power >>>>> over your lot.
    Probably descendants of those who said man could never fly.

    Personally, I think we are more in danger of RF radiation due
    to cell phones.
    --

    ===

    Not to mention leaky microwave ovens. I have personally experienced
    microwave ovens that leaked enough radiation to kill WiFi reception and
    BlueTooth connectivity. I don't think it's that uncommon.


    Maybe if the get power transmission problems cured, the space based solar
    array makes sense.

    They still have not explained how you can have several megawatts
    coming down in an RF beam and not be a hazard.
    In a world where a significant part of the population thinks we are
    being poisoned by lots of stuff, I think this is a non-starter. Anyone
    who got cancer within 100 miles of the ground station would be calling
    Morgan and Morgan.


    Part of the problems they need to cure. ;)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to califbill9998remove8@gmail.com on Tue Apr 5 00:35:45 2022
    On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 03:07:59 -0000 (UTC), Bill
    <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

    <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 16:39:04 -0000 (UTC), Bill
    <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

    waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:24:42 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 4/3/2022 12:33 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 07:33:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 4/2/2022 2:08 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet?
    Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with >>>>>>>>> infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms. >>>>>>>>
    The big pickups are just the result of government meddling in the >>>>>>>> market place. They mandate a certain CAFE but they exempt large trucks >>>>>>>> so the manufacturers build more trucks, where the profit is, to >>>>>>>> subsidize the econoboxes, that barely support the price it costs to >>>>>>>> deliver them.
    The current dream is that we will embrace EVs and drive up the CAFE to >>>>>>>> 40MPG but they still haven't figured out where the electricity to >>>>>>>> charge them will come from.
    The same greenies who want solar and wind farms will fight tooth and >>>>>>>> nail against building the transmission lines that bring that power to >>>>>>>> where it is needed and those rights of way don't exist now.



    This company appears to be picking up where
    Nikola Tesla left off:


    <https://emrod.energy/emrod-vs-teslas-long-range-wireless-power-technology/>

    Yeah, Nobody has ever said radiated RF was dangerous ;-)

    There are people with their panties in a knot over the VLF radiation >>>>>> coming from a balanced 3 phase transmission line. Imagine what they >>>>>> would say about a multi megawatt transmission antenna radiating power >>>>>> over your lot.
    Probably descendants of those who said man could never fly.

    Personally, I think we are more in danger of RF radiation due
    to cell phones.
    --

    ===

    Not to mention leaky microwave ovens. I have personally experienced
    microwave ovens that leaked enough radiation to kill WiFi reception and >>>> BlueTooth connectivity. I don't think it's that uncommon.


    Maybe if the get power transmission problems cured, the space based solar >>> array makes sense.

    They still have not explained how you can have several megawatts
    coming down in an RF beam and not be a hazard.
    In a world where a significant part of the population thinks we are
    being poisoned by lots of stuff, I think this is a non-starter. Anyone
    who got cancer within 100 miles of the ground station would be calling
    Morgan and Morgan.


    Part of the problems they need to cure. ;)

    Yeah they just need to revise everything we know about high energy
    physics.
    The down link will have to be in some remote desert area like the
    Trinity site, far from anyone or any protected animal that might get
    fried.
    OTOH if something did go wrong with the telemetry we could bake every
    living thing in LA county so it isn't all bad. ;-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bill@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Tue Apr 5 16:54:28 2022
    <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 03:07:59 -0000 (UTC), Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

    <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 16:39:04 -0000 (UTC), Bill
    <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

    waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:24:42 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 4/3/2022 12:33 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 07:33:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 4/2/2022 2:08 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet?
    Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with >>>>>>>>>> infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms. >>>>>>>>>
    The big pickups are just the result of government meddling in the >>>>>>>>> market place. They mandate a certain CAFE but they exempt large trucks
    so the manufacturers build more trucks, where the profit is, to >>>>>>>>> subsidize the econoboxes, that barely support the price it costs to >>>>>>>>> deliver them.
    The current dream is that we will embrace EVs and drive up the CAFE to
    40MPG but they still haven't figured out where the electricity to >>>>>>>>> charge them will come from.
    The same greenies who want solar and wind farms will fight tooth and >>>>>>>>> nail against building the transmission lines that bring that power to >>>>>>>>> where it is needed and those rights of way don't exist now.



    This company appears to be picking up where
    Nikola Tesla left off:


    <https://emrod.energy/emrod-vs-teslas-long-range-wireless-power-technology/>

    Yeah, Nobody has ever said radiated RF was dangerous ;-)

    There are people with their panties in a knot over the VLF radiation >>>>>>> coming from a balanced 3 phase transmission line. Imagine what they >>>>>>> would say about a multi megawatt transmission antenna radiating power >>>>>>> over your lot.
    Probably descendants of those who said man could never fly.

    Personally, I think we are more in danger of RF radiation due
    to cell phones.
    --

    ===

    Not to mention leaky microwave ovens. I have personally experienced >>>>> microwave ovens that leaked enough radiation to kill WiFi reception and >>>>> BlueTooth connectivity. I don't think it's that uncommon.


    Maybe if the get power transmission problems cured, the space based solar >>>> array makes sense.

    They still have not explained how you can have several megawatts
    coming down in an RF beam and not be a hazard.
    In a world where a significant part of the population thinks we are
    being poisoned by lots of stuff, I think this is a non-starter. Anyone
    who got cancer within 100 miles of the ground station would be calling
    Morgan and Morgan.


    Part of the problems they need to cure. ;)

    Yeah they just need to revise everything we know about high energy
    physics.
    The down link will have to be in some remote desert area like the
    Trinity site, far from anyone or any protected animal that might get
    fried.
    OTOH if something did go wrong with the telemetry we could bake every
    living thing in LA county so it isn't all bad. ;-)


    I have a daughter and granddaughters in LA county, so would be bad.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John H@21:1/5 to princecraft49@gmail.com on Tue Apr 5 17:57:32 2022
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet?
    Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms.

    You mean you've never bought a bought with an engine? Or are you a bit two-faced?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From True North@21:1/5 to John H on Tue Apr 5 17:19:20 2022
    On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 18:57:34 UTC-3, John H wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet? >> Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms.
    You mean you've never bought a bought with an engine? Or are you a bit two-faced?


    Huh?
    Please translate that into the Queens' English and get back to us.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bill@21:1/5 to True North on Wed Apr 6 00:39:46 2022
    True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 18:57:34 UTC-3, John H wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet? >>>> Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with infernal
    combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms.
    You mean you've never bought a bought with an engine? Or are you a bit
    two-faced?


    Huh?
    Please translate that into the Queens' English and get back to us.


    So, you can not parse a meaning from the sentence? Sad, to be you.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From justan@21:1/5 to True North on Wed Apr 6 01:19:03 2022
    On 4/5/22 8:19 PM, True North wrote:
    On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 18:57:34 UTC-3, John H wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet? >> >> Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms.
    You mean you've never bought a bought with an engine? Or are you a bit
    two-faced?


    Huh?
    Please translate that into the Queens' English and get back to us.

    Learn American English or suffer in silence
    Donna Blanco. Loosely translated John was asking if you talk out your ass

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John H@21:1/5 to princecraft49@gmail.com on Fri Apr 8 16:24:10 2022
    On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 17:19:20 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 18:57:34 UTC-3, John H wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT), True North
    <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 20:26:46 UTC-3, justan wrote:
    Has the time come to burn all the fuel guzzling power boats over 15 feet? >> >> Think of all the precious fuel we would save.

    Bingo!
    I've always said sailboats were superior to floating tubs with infernal combustion engines.

    Next would be to outlaw overbloated pickups and rolling hotel rooms.
    You mean you've never bought a bought with an engine? Or are you a bit
    two-faced?


    Huh?
    Please translate that into the Queens' English and get back to us.

    Have you never bought a boat with an engine? Or are you a bit
    two-faced?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)