• Didn't 1962 teach us anything?

    From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 19 01:42:21 2022
    Twice in my life I have seen the US and the Russians actually nose to
    nose with each other with weapons out and ready to use.
    Everything I see from the news is people saying "go for it, the
    Russians ain't shit".

    The Cuban debacle was settled with a deal in 11 days. This should get
    settled with a deal and they better hurry. This shit could get out of
    control real fast. Then we could stop thinking about global warming,
    Covid, abortion or damn near anything else but surviving in a post
    WWIII world.
    Guns would be a lot more popular tho. The problem is we were getting a
    third of our ammo from Russia.

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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Sat Mar 19 08:25:47 2022
    On 3/19/2022 1:42 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    Twice in my life I have seen the US and the Russians actually nose to
    nose with each other with weapons out and ready to use.
    Everything I see from the news is people saying "go for it, the
    Russians ain't shit".

    The Cuban debacle was settled with a deal in 11 days. This should get
    settled with a deal and they better hurry. This shit could get out of control real fast. Then we could stop thinking about global warming,
    Covid, abortion or damn near anything else but surviving in a post
    WWIII world.
    Guns would be a lot more popular tho. The problem is we were getting a
    third of our ammo from Russia.

    We came a lot closer to a nuclear exchange during the Cuban missile
    crisis than many people realize. It was prevented by this guy:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov>

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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 19 12:42:30 2022
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 08:25:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 1:42 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    Twice in my life I have seen the US and the Russians actually nose to
    nose with each other with weapons out and ready to use.
    Everything I see from the news is people saying "go for it, the
    Russians ain't shit".

    The Cuban debacle was settled with a deal in 11 days. This should get
    settled with a deal and they better hurry. This shit could get out of
    control real fast. Then we could stop thinking about global warming,
    Covid, abortion or damn near anything else but surviving in a post
    WWIII world.
    Guns would be a lot more popular tho. The problem is we were getting a
    third of our ammo from Russia.

    We came a lot closer to a nuclear exchange during the Cuban missile
    crisis than many people realize. It was prevented by this guy:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov>

    I understand that. My dad was working around the edges of naval
    intelligence at the time in the planning business (he never told us
    what he really did but he came from CIA) and he wanted us to go to the mountains of Southern Virginia. My mom said if we get nuked she would
    rather be in the fireball than survive the aftermath so we stayed in
    DC.
    As for Arkhipov, I suppose that is why they had political officers on
    Soviet ships.

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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Sat Mar 19 14:51:41 2022
    On 3/19/2022 12:42 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 08:25:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 1:42 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    Twice in my life I have seen the US and the Russians actually nose to
    nose with each other with weapons out and ready to use.
    Everything I see from the news is people saying "go for it, the
    Russians ain't shit".

    The Cuban debacle was settled with a deal in 11 days. This should get
    settled with a deal and they better hurry. This shit could get out of
    control real fast. Then we could stop thinking about global warming,
    Covid, abortion or damn near anything else but surviving in a post
    WWIII world.
    Guns would be a lot more popular tho. The problem is we were getting a
    third of our ammo from Russia.

    We came a lot closer to a nuclear exchange during the Cuban missile
    crisis than many people realize. It was prevented by this guy:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov>

    I understand that. My dad was working around the edges of naval
    intelligence at the time in the planning business (he never told us
    what he really did but he came from CIA) and he wanted us to go to the mountains of Southern Virginia. My mom said if we get nuked she would
    rather be in the fireball than survive the aftermath so we stayed in
    DC.
    As for Arkhipov, I suppose that is why they had political officers on
    Soviet ships.




    I am getting a kick out of conversations I have with my kids,
    their friends, wives and husbands. They think I am some sort
    of an agglomeration of worthless historical information from
    (to them) ancient times. It amazes me how little the younger
    generation knows about the last century of this country.
    I generally know about the major events but often have to look up
    the details. Often, they aren't aware of even the major
    events or say, "I heard something about that but don't know
    what it was".

    Cuban missle crisis is a case in point. So is much of
    WW1 and WWll

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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 19 17:19:19 2022
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 14:51:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 12:42 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 08:25:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 1:42 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    Twice in my life I have seen the US and the Russians actually nose to
    nose with each other with weapons out and ready to use.
    Everything I see from the news is people saying "go for it, the
    Russians ain't shit".

    The Cuban debacle was settled with a deal in 11 days. This should get
    settled with a deal and they better hurry. This shit could get out of >>>> control real fast. Then we could stop thinking about global warming,
    Covid, abortion or damn near anything else but surviving in a post
    WWIII world.
    Guns would be a lot more popular tho. The problem is we were getting a >>>> third of our ammo from Russia.

    We came a lot closer to a nuclear exchange during the Cuban missile
    crisis than many people realize. It was prevented by this guy:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov>

    I understand that. My dad was working around the edges of naval
    intelligence at the time in the planning business (he never told us
    what he really did but he came from CIA) and he wanted us to go to the
    mountains of Southern Virginia. My mom said if we get nuked she would
    rather be in the fireball than survive the aftermath so we stayed in
    DC.
    As for Arkhipov, I suppose that is why they had political officers on
    Soviet ships.




    I am getting a kick out of conversations I have with my kids,
    their friends, wives and husbands. They think I am some sort
    of an agglomeration of worthless historical information from
    (to them) ancient times. It amazes me how little the younger
    generation knows about the last century of this country.
    I generally know about the major events but often have to look up
    the details. Often, they aren't aware of even the major
    events or say, "I heard something about that but don't know
    what it was".

    Cuban missle crisis is a case in point. So is much of
    WW1 and WWll

    I know what you mean. When I say I graduated High School on the 20th anniversary of D-Day they just say wow and then ask what D-Day was.

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Sun Mar 20 02:25:38 2022
    <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 14:51:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 12:42 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 08:25:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 1:42 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    Twice in my life I have seen the US and the Russians actually nose to >>>>> nose with each other with weapons out and ready to use.
    Everything I see from the news is people saying "go for it, the
    Russians ain't shit".

    The Cuban debacle was settled with a deal in 11 days. This should get >>>>> settled with a deal and they better hurry. This shit could get out of >>>>> control real fast. Then we could stop thinking about global warming, >>>>> Covid, abortion or damn near anything else but surviving in a post
    WWIII world.
    Guns would be a lot more popular tho. The problem is we were getting a >>>>> third of our ammo from Russia.

    We came a lot closer to a nuclear exchange during the Cuban missile
    crisis than many people realize. It was prevented by this guy:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov>

    I understand that. My dad was working around the edges of naval
    intelligence at the time in the planning business (he never told us
    what he really did but he came from CIA) and he wanted us to go to the
    mountains of Southern Virginia. My mom said if we get nuked she would
    rather be in the fireball than survive the aftermath so we stayed in
    DC.
    As for Arkhipov, I suppose that is why they had political officers on
    Soviet ships.




    I am getting a kick out of conversations I have with my kids,
    their friends, wives and husbands. They think I am some sort
    of an agglomeration of worthless historical information from
    (to them) ancient times. It amazes me how little the younger
    generation knows about the last century of this country.
    I generally know about the major events but often have to look up
    the details. Often, they aren't aware of even the major
    events or say, "I heard something about that but don't know
    what it was".

    Cuban missle crisis is a case in point. So is much of
    WW1 and WWll

    I know what you mean. When I say I graduated High School on the 20th anniversary of D-Day they just say wow and then ask what D-Day was.


    Sad commentary on our education system. California used to be in top 4,
    now in the bottom 4. The graduates, can’t read or write or do much math,
    but they can expound on climate change, LGBT stuff. No wonder we get the elected officials we have.

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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to Bill on Sun Mar 20 08:05:03 2022
    On 3/19/2022 10:25 PM, Bill wrote:
    <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 14:51:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 12:42 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 08:25:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com> >>>> wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 1:42 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    Twice in my life I have seen the US and the Russians actually nose to >>>>>> nose with each other with weapons out and ready to use.
    Everything I see from the news is people saying "go for it, the
    Russians ain't shit".

    The Cuban debacle was settled with a deal in 11 days. This should get >>>>>> settled with a deal and they better hurry. This shit could get out of >>>>>> control real fast. Then we could stop thinking about global warming, >>>>>> Covid, abortion or damn near anything else but surviving in a post >>>>>> WWIII world.
    Guns would be a lot more popular tho. The problem is we were getting a >>>>>> third of our ammo from Russia.

    We came a lot closer to a nuclear exchange during the Cuban missile
    crisis than many people realize. It was prevented by this guy:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov>

    I understand that. My dad was working around the edges of naval
    intelligence at the time in the planning business (he never told us
    what he really did but he came from CIA) and he wanted us to go to the >>>> mountains of Southern Virginia. My mom said if we get nuked she would
    rather be in the fireball than survive the aftermath so we stayed in
    DC.
    As for Arkhipov, I suppose that is why they had political officers on
    Soviet ships.




    I am getting a kick out of conversations I have with my kids,
    their friends, wives and husbands. They think I am some sort
    of an agglomeration of worthless historical information from
    (to them) ancient times. It amazes me how little the younger
    generation knows about the last century of this country.
    I generally know about the major events but often have to look up
    the details. Often, they aren't aware of even the major
    events or say, "I heard something about that but don't know
    what it was".

    Cuban missle crisis is a case in point. So is much of
    WW1 and WWll

    I know what you mean. When I say I graduated High School on the 20th
    anniversary of D-Day they just say wow and then ask what D-Day was.




    Sad commentary on our education system. California used to be in top 4,
    now in the bottom 4. The graduates, can’t read or write or do much math, but they can expound on climate change, LGBT stuff. No wonder we get the elected officials we have.



    Bill, you just described the problem in this country in a nutshell.

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  • From wayne.beardsley@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Floridian on Sun Mar 20 12:57:52 2022
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 9:29:44 AM UTC-4, Floridian wrote:
    On 3/20/22 8:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 3/19/2022 10:25 PM, Bill wrote:
    <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 14:51:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com> >>> wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 12:42 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 08:25:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 1:42 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    Twice in my life I have seen the US and the Russians actually nose to
    nose with each other with weapons out and ready to use.
    Everything I see from the news is people saying "go for it, the >>>>>>> Russians ain't shit".

    The Cuban debacle was settled with a deal in 11 days. This should get
    settled with a deal and they better hurry. This shit could get out of
    control real fast. Then we could stop thinking about global warming, >>>>>>> Covid, abortion or damn near anything else but surviving in a post >>>>>>> WWIII world.
    Guns would be a lot more popular tho. The problem is we were getting a
    third of our ammo from Russia.

    We came a lot closer to a nuclear exchange during the Cuban missile >>>>>> crisis than many people realize. It was prevented by this guy:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov>

    I understand that. My dad was working around the edges of naval
    intelligence at the time in the planning business (he never told us >>>>> what he really did but he came from CIA) and he wanted us to go to the >>>>> mountains of Southern Virginia. My mom said if we get nuked she would >>>>> rather be in the fireball than survive the aftermath so we stayed in >>>>> DC.
    As for Arkhipov, I suppose that is why they had political officers on >>>>> Soviet ships.




    I am getting a kick out of conversations I have with my kids,
    their friends, wives and husbands. They think I am some sort
    of an agglomeration of worthless historical information from
    (to them) ancient times. It amazes me how little the younger
    generation knows about the last century of this country.
    I generally know about the major events but often have to look up
    the details. Often, they aren't aware of even the major
    events or say, "I heard something about that but don't know
    what it was".

    Cuban missle crisis is a case in point. So is much of
    WW1 and WWll

    I know what you mean. When I say I graduated High School on the 20th
    anniversary of D-Day they just say wow and then ask what D-Day was.




    Sad commentary on our education system. California used to be in top 4, >> now in the bottom 4. The graduates, can’t read or write or do much math,
    but they can expound on climate change, LGBT stuff. No wonder we get the >> elected officials we have.



    Bill, you just described the problem in this country in a nutshell.
    Back in the day, I did some subbing at a voc, school. They kept one kid back because he couldn't make change. He had other deficits but that was the criteria they set for his graduation.
    --
    ===
    What we need are vocational schools that actually teach useful skills that are in demand like woodworking, welding, electrical work, refrigeration, carpentry, etc.

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  • From 3452471@gmail.com@21:1/5 to waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com on Mon Mar 21 09:59:23 2022
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 3:57:53 PM UTC-4, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 9:29:44 AM UTC-4, Floridian wrote:
    On 3/20/22 8:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 3/19/2022 10:25 PM, Bill wrote:
    <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 14:51:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com> >>> wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 12:42 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 08:25:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 1:42 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    Twice in my life I have seen the US and the Russians actually nose to
    nose with each other with weapons out and ready to use.
    Everything I see from the news is people saying "go for it, the >>>>>>> Russians ain't shit".

    The Cuban debacle was settled with a deal in 11 days. This should get
    settled with a deal and they better hurry. This shit could get out of
    control real fast. Then we could stop thinking about global warming,
    Covid, abortion or damn near anything else but surviving in a post >>>>>>> WWIII world.
    Guns would be a lot more popular tho. The problem is we were getting a
    third of our ammo from Russia.

    We came a lot closer to a nuclear exchange during the Cuban missile >>>>>> crisis than many people realize. It was prevented by this guy: >>>>>>
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov>

    I understand that. My dad was working around the edges of naval >>>>> intelligence at the time in the planning business (he never told us >>>>> what he really did but he came from CIA) and he wanted us to go to the
    mountains of Southern Virginia. My mom said if we get nuked she would
    rather be in the fireball than survive the aftermath so we stayed in >>>>> DC.
    As for Arkhipov, I suppose that is why they had political officers on
    Soviet ships.




    I am getting a kick out of conversations I have with my kids,
    their friends, wives and husbands. They think I am some sort
    of an agglomeration of worthless historical information from
    (to them) ancient times. It amazes me how little the younger
    generation knows about the last century of this country.
    I generally know about the major events but often have to look up >>>> the details. Often, they aren't aware of even the major
    events or say, "I heard something about that but don't know
    what it was".

    Cuban missle crisis is a case in point. So is much of
    WW1 and WWll

    I know what you mean. When I say I graduated High School on the 20th >>> anniversary of D-Day they just say wow and then ask what D-Day was. >>>



    Sad commentary on our education system. California used to be in top 4, >> now in the bottom 4. The graduates, can’t read or write or do much math,
    but they can expound on climate change, LGBT stuff. No wonder we get the
    elected officials we have.



    Bill, you just described the problem in this country in a nutshell.
    Back in the day, I did some subbing at a voc, school. They kept one kid back
    because he couldn't make change. He had other deficits but that was the criteria they set for his graduation.
    --
    ===
    What we need are vocational schools that actually teach useful skills that are in demand like woodworking, welding, electrical work, refrigeration, carpentry, etc.

    We have them. Kids don't want to go to them because their heads have been filled with chants of "go to college"! And all that stuff you talk about requires doing
    some real work. Can't have that, ya know...

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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to 345...@gmail.com on Mon Mar 21 15:05:15 2022
    On 3/21/2022 12:59 PM, 345...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 3:57:53 PM UTC-4, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 9:29:44 AM UTC-4, Floridian wrote:
    On 3/20/22 8:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 3/19/2022 10:25 PM, Bill wrote:
    <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 14:51:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 12:42 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 08:25:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 1:42 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
    Twice in my life I have seen the US and the Russians actually nose to
    nose with each other with weapons out and ready to use.
    Everything I see from the news is people saying "go for it, the >>>>>>>>>> Russians ain't shit".

    The Cuban debacle was settled with a deal in 11 days. This should get
    settled with a deal and they better hurry. This shit could get out of
    control real fast. Then we could stop thinking about global warming, >>>>>>>>>> Covid, abortion or damn near anything else but surviving in a post >>>>>>>>>> WWIII world.
    Guns would be a lot more popular tho. The problem is we were getting a
    third of our ammo from Russia.

    We came a lot closer to a nuclear exchange during the Cuban missile >>>>>>>>> crisis than many people realize. It was prevented by this guy: >>>>>>>>>
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov>

    I understand that. My dad was working around the edges of naval >>>>>>>> intelligence at the time in the planning business (he never told us >>>>>>>> what he really did but he came from CIA) and he wanted us to go to the >>>>>>>> mountains of Southern Virginia. My mom said if we get nuked she would >>>>>>>> rather be in the fireball than survive the aftermath so we stayed in >>>>>>>> DC.
    As for Arkhipov, I suppose that is why they had political officers on >>>>>>>> Soviet ships.




    I am getting a kick out of conversations I have with my kids,
    their friends, wives and husbands. They think I am some sort
    of an agglomeration of worthless historical information from
    (to them) ancient times. It amazes me how little the younger
    generation knows about the last century of this country.
    I generally know about the major events but often have to look up >>>>>>> the details. Often, they aren't aware of even the major
    events or say, "I heard something about that but don't know
    what it was".

    Cuban missle crisis is a case in point. So is much of
    WW1 and WWll

    I know what you mean. When I say I graduated High School on the 20th >>>>>> anniversary of D-Day they just say wow and then ask what D-Day was. >>>>>>



    Sad commentary on our education system. California used to be in top 4, >>>>> now in the bottom 4. The graduates, can’t read or write or do much math,
    but they can expound on climate change, LGBT stuff. No wonder we get the >>>>> elected officials we have.



    Bill, you just described the problem in this country in a nutshell.
    Back in the day, I did some subbing at a voc, school. They kept one kid back
    because he couldn't make change. He had other deficits but that was the
    criteria they set for his graduation.
    --
    ===
    What we need are vocational schools that actually teach useful skills that are in demand like woodworking, welding, electrical work, refrigeration, carpentry, etc.

    We have them. Kids don't want to go to them because their heads have been filled with chants of "go to college"! And all that stuff you talk about requires doing
    some real work. Can't have that, ya know...

    I've worked with many "blue collar" tradespeople who never attended
    college and I've worked with many "professionals" with undergrad
    and graduate degrees.

    I think the tradespeople were, in general, more stable, balanced and
    overall more successful as a group than the highly educated
    group.



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  • From Mr Robot@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Mon Mar 28 18:00:51 2022
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 01:42:21 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

    Twice in my life I have seen the US and the Russians actually nose to
    nose with each other with weapons out and ready to use.
    Everything I see from the news is people saying "go for it, the
    Russians ain't shit".

    The Cuban debacle was settled with a deal in 11 days. This should get
    settled with a deal and they better hurry. This shit could get out of >control real fast. Then we could stop thinking about global warming,
    Covid, abortion or damn near anything else but surviving in a post
    WWIII world.
    Guns would be a lot more popular tho. The problem is we were getting a
    third of our ammo from Russia.

    Oh suck is wimpy. You know you live Trump, I mean Putin.

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