AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
That's the problem with these bizarre statements. Imagine how much it
would cost to reimburse tuition money to every living person in the US. >There isn't enough paper to print that kind of money!
The simple truth is that it's a ploy to get more votes ahead of the
midterms.
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 18:47:25 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
You paid?
I'd bet Uncle Sam picked up the bill for your school'in.
On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 18:47:25 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
You paid?
I'd bet Uncle Sam picked up the bill for your school'in.
True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 18:47:25 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
You paid?
I'd bet Uncle Sam picked up the bill for your school'in.
Uncle Trudeau would not pick up yours? That why you stayed a janitor?
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser===
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
On Tuesday, 22 February 2022 at 00:09:54 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 18:47:25 UTC-4, John H wrote:Uncle Trudeau would not pick up yours? That why you stayed a janitor?
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
You paid?
I'd bet Uncle Sam picked up the bill for your school'in.
You drinking again, Swill?
Our current Trudeau was nowhere to be found when I was in school.
The Crown Corp where I worked paid for the university courses I took to earn advancement.
By the way, do you have a chapter of AA in your area. I bet they'd be
glad to see you if you could abstain.
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover money to tour Europe to
“ broaden her education “. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 19:35:43 -0800 (PST), True North<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:>On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 18:47:25 UTC-4, John H wrote:>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >AOC:Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >> >Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 >> >-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/>> Cancelling
On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 11:47:19 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: > >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >><bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled > >>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 > >>> -- > >>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-
student loans but that has turned out to be a good > > investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me. > > > > In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many > > students racking up debtloans.> > ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We> > paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we > > definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through > > graduate school on
"345...@gmail.com" <3452471@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 11:47:19 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:>For many, college is a vehicle for postponing entry into the real
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Monday,
February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: > >> On Mon, 21 Feb
2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >> <bruce2...@gmail.com>
wrote: > >> > >>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 > >>> -- > >>>
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed >>>>>>>>> the > >> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne? >>>>>>>>> > >> > >> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student > >>
loans.> > ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year
each. We> > paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was never an issue but we > > definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put
themselves through > > graduate school on student loans but that has turned
out to be a good > > investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad
school loans with no help from me. > > > > In my opinion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many > > students
racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education. >
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >
money to tour Europe to > ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do
this, we are enablers.I think another large contributor is the "you MUST
go to college" mantra. If youhave the smarts and a specific plan for how
you will use a degree, it's fine. But collegeisn't for everyone, and is
not necessary to make a very comfortable living.It's a part of the
snowflake problem today. They think that since they went to college and
got a degree, they should immediately have that nice house, big screen,
and Benz in the driveway. Now they want a free education as well? The
real world needs to slap them in the face. Hard.
world.
On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 18:47:25 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
You paid?
I'd bet Uncle Sam picked up the bill for your school'in.
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 19:35:05 -0500, Alex <Xela777@gmail.com> wrote:
John H wrote:Amen. By the way, I went shooting at the range the other day for the
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowserThat's the problem with these bizarre statements. Imagine how much it
<bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
would cost to reimburse tuition money to every living person in the US.
There isn't enough paper to print that kind of money!
The simple truth is that it's a ploy to get more votes ahead of the
midterms.
first time since Covid.
I need more practise!
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:has turned out to be a good investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser===
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through graduate school on student loans but that
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >money to tour Europe to
“ broaden her education “. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover money to tour Europe to
“ broaden her education “. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We >>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we >>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
“ broaden her education “. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We >>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we >>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
“ broaden her education “. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We >>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we >>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >>>>> loans.
graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >>> money to tour Europe to
broaden her education . And we let them do this, we are enablers.
I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took >near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We >>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we >>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >>>>> loans.
graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >>> money to tour Europe to
“ broaden her education “. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >>
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We >>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we >>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >>>>>> loans.
graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >>>> money to tour Europe to
broaden her education . And we let them do this, we are enablers. >>>
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took >> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
and most of another for me.
John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the >>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >>>>>>> loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we >>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>> with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >>>>> money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >>>>
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took >>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
and most of another for me.
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the >>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >>>>>>> loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we >>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>> with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >>>>> money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >>>>
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took >>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
and most of another for me.
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowserI never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the >>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >>>>>>>> loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>>> with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >>>>>
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
and most of another for me.
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service connected ailments and retired.
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowserI never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the >>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >>>>>>>>> loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>>>> with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >>>>>>
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >>>>
and most of another for me.
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >Pueblo was seized.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowserI never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the >>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >>>>>>>>>> loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >>>>>>>
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >>>>>
and most of another for me.
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >> Pueblo was seized.
Did you run out of toilets to clean?
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), BillThat’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave >> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >>>>>>> and most of another for me.
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
they reimbursed themoney the rest of us paid to the schools.
Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >>>>>>>>>
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >>>>>>>>>
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >>>>>>>
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >>>>> because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >>>>> connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >>>> Pueblo was seized.
Did you run out of toilets to clean?
Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
You certainly are living proof of that.
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >>>>> and most of another for me.
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the >>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne? >>>>>>>>>>
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >>>>>
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
Pueblo was seized.
Did you run out of toilets to clean?
That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowserI never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the >>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >>>>>>>>> loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>>>> with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >>>>>>
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >>>>
and most of another for me.
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >Pueblo was seized.
True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), BillThat’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
they reimbursed themoney the rest of us paid to the schools.
Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >>>>>>>>>
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >>>>>>>>>
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >>>>>>> and most of another for me.
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >>>>> because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >>>>> connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
Pueblo was seized.
Did you run out of toilets to clean?
oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
You certainly are living proof of that.
Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars.
We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got
hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten
a degree that let you have a decent career.
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars.
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), BillThat’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >>>>>>>>> and most of another for me.
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
they reimbursed themoney the rest of us paid to the schools.
Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >>>>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >>>>>>>>>>>
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >>>>>>>>>>>
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >>>>>>>>>
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >>>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >>>>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >>>>>>> because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >>>>>>> connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >>>>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >>>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
Pueblo was seized.
Did you run out of toilets to clean?
oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
You certainly are living proof of that.
We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate
when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got
hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten >> a degree that let you have a decent career.
Say what... I think you mean too not "to".
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars.
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), BillThat’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
they reimbursed themoney the rest of us paid to the schools.
Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >>>>>>>>>>>>
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >>>>>>>>>> and most of another for me.
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >>>>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >>>>>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >>>>>>>> because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >>>>>>>> connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >>>>>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >>>>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
Pueblo was seized.
Did you run out of toilets to clean?
oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
You certainly are living proof of that.
We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate >>> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >>> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got >>> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten >>> a degree that let you have a decent career.
Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com>
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars. >>>> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), BillThat’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools.
Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >>>>>>>>>>> and most of another for me.
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >>>>>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >>>>>>>>> because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >>>>>>>>> connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >>>>>>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >>>>>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
Pueblo was seized.
Did you run out of toilets to clean?
oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
You certainly are living proof of that.
looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate >>>> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >>>> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got >>>> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten >>>> a degree that let you have a decent career.
I wanted to be an engineer designing as opposed to fixing. Definitely was >not the manager type, more hands on. In high school I figured to be a >mechanical engineer or a geologist. Actually went to work for NCR when
19, to get money to go to university. Was going to go to UC Berkeley, but >not set up for working students. Probably could have got some priority as
my dad worked for UC as a machinist, later management.
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars.
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), BillThats True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave >> >> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
they reimbursed themoney the rest of us paid to the schools.
Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >> >>>>>>> and most of another for me.
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >> >>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >> >>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >> >>>>> because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >> >>>>> connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >> >>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >> >>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
Pueblo was seized.
Did you run out of toilets to clean?
Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
You certainly are living proof of that.
We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate
when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got
hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten >> a degree that let you have a decent career.
Say what... I think you mean too not "to".
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars.
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), BillThats True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave >> >> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
they reimbursed themoney the rest of us paid to the schools.
Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >> >>>>>>> and most of another for me.
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >> >>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >> >>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >> >>>>> because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >> >>>>> connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >> >>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >> >>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
Pueblo was seized.
Did you run out of toilets to clean?
Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
You certainly are living proof of that.
We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate
when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got
hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten >> a degree that let you have a decent career.
Say what... I think you mean too not "to".
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill ><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowserI never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the >>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
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I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >>>>>>>>>> loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >>>>>>>
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >>>>>
and most of another for me.
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >>before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >>Pueblo was seized.
I ended up being extended 11 days after my 12 months. I was never sure
why. It gave me the same VA benefits a 2 year person got, for a while.
Then later when I looked they trimmed that all back. I didn't really
care. There wasn't much I needed from them. IBM had 100% tuition
refund but I found out right away, it was not going to mean more money
in my salary and I was already spending 4-5 months a year in school.
We did have one guy who got into that Pentagon U thing where they had >accelerated degrees for DoD folks and he ended up with a masters
before it was all over. IBM said "so what"? "We hired you to be a CE.
Can you fix machines better now"? They were not interested in making
him a manager.
He ended up quitting. I never heard what happened to him after that
but I knew going to college wasn't going to help me any. I didn't want
to be a manager and if I did, I could get the job without a degree. By
the time I moved to Florida I had already done some of the jobs that
were precursors to management and I didn't like them.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:>On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:..@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On 2/
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>> <califbill9.
articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/
radars. >> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hoooven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain. >> > >> > >> > Nor did standing close to an operating radar array. >> > You certainly are living proof of that. >> >>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:>On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:..@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On 2/
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>> <califbill9.
articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/
radars. >> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hoooven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain. >> > >> > >> > Nor did standing close to an operating radar array. >> > You certainly are living proof of that. >> >>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne
On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:36:26 -0000 (UTC), Bill<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com>>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:>>>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Thursday,24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote: >>>>>> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb
Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>t bother me if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >>>>>>>>
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 >>>>>>>>>>>>>
-- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn'
put themselves through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>loans. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both
we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >>>>>>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> education. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also the fact
of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit >>>>>>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking. >>>>>>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >>>>>>>>>>> and most of another for me. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >>>>>>>>>> most
an operating radar array. >>>>> You certaiDid you run out of toilets to clean? >>>>>>> >>>>>> That?s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave >>>>>> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nor did standing close to
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:07:56 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:>On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>>><gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>>> >>>> John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill>>>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> >>>>>> Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:>>>>>>
including-harvard-and-yale-grads/>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interestwaynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022>>>>>>>>>>> -->>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-
John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On 2/22/
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:>On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote: >
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>> <califbill9...
articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/
radars. >> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and >> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate >> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >> the correctoven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain. >> > >> > >> > Nor did standing close to an operating radar array. >> > You certainly are living proof of that. >> >>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne
If only soft close toilet lids were purchased by Donnie's
monarchy, for public and government toilets, Donnie's head
injuries would have been minimized. I wonder if "The Crown" gave
him hazzardous duty pay.
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On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 09:22:09 UTC-4, justan wrote:> John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:>On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:>>True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote: >> >> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >
califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022<gfre...@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>>>> <
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >> >>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >> >>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >> >>>>>In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >> >>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their >> >>>>>>>>>>> education. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
the "pay as you go plan." Got help >> >>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >> >>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued anymoney to tour Europe to >> >>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >> >>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on
books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit >> >>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking. >> >>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days). >> >>>>>Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >> >>>>>>> and most of another for me. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >> >>>>>> most of mine was
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 09:22:09 UTC-4, justan wrote:> John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:>On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:>>True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote: >> >> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >
califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022<gfre...@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>>>> <
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >> >>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >> >>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >> >>>>>In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >> >>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their >> >>>>>>>>>>> education. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
the "pay as you go plan." Got help >> >>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >> >>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued anymoney to tour Europe to >> >>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >> >>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on
books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit >> >>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking. >> >>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days). >> >>>>>Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >> >>>>>>> and most of another for me. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >> >>>>>> most of mine was
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 09:22:09 UTC-4, justan wrote:.@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On 2/
John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:>On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>> <califbill9..
bruce bowser >> >>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the >> >>>>>>>>>>
the same time at $40K/year each. We >> >>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we >> >>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate school onmoney the rest of us paid to the schools. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne? >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >> >>>>>>>>>>>> loans. >> >>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at
student loans but that has turned out to be a good >> >>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >> >>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debtstems from too many >> >>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their >> >>>>>>>>>>> education. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >> >
let them do this, we are enablers. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >> >>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >> >>>>>>>>> via the GIyear about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >> >>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >> >>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to >> >>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we
Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >> >>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>for one master's >> >>>>>>> and most of another for me. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >> >>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> A lot
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took >> >>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid
had the one third down. >> >>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >> >>>>> connected ailments and retired. >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >> >>>> I
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >> >>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >> >>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >> >>>>> because I
from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got >> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes >> forever to heal from being cooked internally. GroundActually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars. >> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and >> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate >> when we got the return
If only soft close toilet lids were purchased by Donnie's
monarchy, for public and government toilets, Donnie's head
injuries would have been minimized. I wonder if "The Crown" gave
him hazzardous duty pay.
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Don't worry about me Justine, I'm right as rain.
Worry about your head turd The John and that sad case out in Kalifornia.
They have an odd habit of throwing themselves off ladders and roofs onto their soft heads.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars.
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), BillThats True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
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they reimbursed themoney the rest of us paid to the schools.
Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >>>>>>>>>>>>
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >>>>>>>>>> and most of another for me.
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >>>>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >>>>>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >>>>>>>> because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >>>>>>>> connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >>>>>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >>>>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
Pueblo was seized.
Did you run out of toilets to clean?
oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
You certainly are living proof of that.
We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate >>> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >>> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got >>> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten >>> a degree that let you have a decent career.
Say what... I think you mean too not "to".
And how many toilet lids smacked you in the head, Donnie?
John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North
<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars. >>> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and >>> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), BillThat’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the
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money the rest of us paid to the schools.
Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >>>>>>>>>>>>
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
and most of another for me.
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit >>>>>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
Pueblo was seized.
Did you run out of toilets to clean?
oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
You certainly are living proof of that.
when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in
the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got >>> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much >>> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters. >>> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten
a degree that let you have a decent career.
Say what... I think you mean too not "to".
And how many toilet lids smacked you in the head, Donnie?
Lol
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:07:56 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >>>>>> and most of another for me.
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the >>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
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I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >>>>>>
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >>>I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >>>before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >>>Pueblo was seized.
I ended up being extended 11 days after my 12 months. I was never sure
why. It gave me the same VA benefits a 2 year person got, for a while.
Then later when I looked they trimmed that all back. I didn't really
care. There wasn't much I needed from them. IBM had 100% tuition
refund but I found out right away, it was not going to mean more money
in my salary and I was already spending 4-5 months a year in school.
We did have one guy who got into that Pentagon U thing where they had >>accelerated degrees for DoD folks and he ended up with a masters
before it was all over. IBM said "so what"? "We hired you to be a CE.
Can you fix machines better now"? They were not interested in making
him a manager.
He ended up quitting. I never heard what happened to him after that
but I knew going to college wasn't going to help me any. I didn't want
to be a manager and if I did, I could get the job without a degree. By
the time I moved to Florida I had already done some of the jobs that
were precursors to management and I didn't like them.
My first masters helped my Army career, and I needed most of a second
to become a teacher. Sometimes those degrees help a bit.
gfretwell@aol.com Wrote in message:r24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote: >>>>>> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb
On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:36:26 -0000 (UTC), Bill<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com>>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:>>>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Thursday,
Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John HFeb 16, 2022 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine -
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with no help from me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> education. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
the summers and any leftover >>>>>>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to goAlso the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >>>>>>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used
to school. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >>>>>>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >>>>>>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >>>>>to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >>>>>>>>>>> and most of another for me. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took >>>>>>>>>>>> near 10 years
when I was looking. >>>>>>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days). >>>>>>>>> Education was based on your active duty time. >>>>>>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >>>>>>>>> repair and electronics"course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >>>>>>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >>>>>>>>> because I had the one third down. >>>>>>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >>>>>>
volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >>>>>>>> Pueblo was seized. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did you run out of toilets to clean? >>>>>>> >>>>>> That?s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave >>>>>> oven with theconnected ailments and retired. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >>>>>>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >>>>>>>> before the general in charge
door open. Did not do good things for your brain. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nor did standing close to an operating radar array. >>>>> You certainly are living proof of that. >>>>> >>>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars. >>>>We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and >>>> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate >>>> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >>>> the correct place. I
to be an engineer designing as opposed to fixing. Definitely was>not the manager type, more hands on. In high school I figured to be a>mechanical engineer or a geologist. Actually went to work for NCR when>19, to get money to go to university.Was going to go to UC Berkeley, but>not set up for working students. Probably could have got some priority as>my dad worked for UC as a machinist, later management.For the last 2/3ds of my career I was doing more "fixing the process"than fixing machines.
EdLabrador Memorial bridge). Nothing fell down yet and I didn't spend four years having someonetell me I could do it. I just did.
No permits for any of that?
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars.
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), BillThat’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:Did you run out of toilets to clean?
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), BillI finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >>>>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >>>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), BillWas a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
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they reimbursed themoney the rest of us paid to the schools.
Right, Wayne?I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
education.
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >>>>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >>>>>>>>>>>
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >>>>>>>>>>>
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >>>>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >>>>>>>>> and most of another for me.
most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >>>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >>>>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >>>>>>> because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >>>>>>> connected ailments and retired.
Pueblo was seized.
oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
You certainly are living proof of that.
We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate
when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got
hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten >> a degree that let you have a decent career.
Say what... I think you mean too not "to".
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 16:35:43 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True NorthLol
<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars. >>>>> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and >>>>> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate >>>>> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), BillThat’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the
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https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools.
Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
and most of another for me.
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit >>>>>>>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >>>>>>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >>>>>>>>>> because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >>>>>>>>>> connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >>>>>>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
Pueblo was seized.
Did you run out of toilets to clean?
oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
You certainly are living proof of that.
the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got >>>>> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much >>>>> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters. >>>>> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten
a degree that let you have a decent career.
Say what... I think you mean too not "to".
And how many toilet lids smacked you in the head, Donnie?
You like that toilet humour Swill?
No wonder you talk like your mouth is full of crap.
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 16:35:43 UTC-4, Bill wrote:> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North > > <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote: >, Bill > >>>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote: > >>>>> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: > >>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill > >>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill > >>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC)
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get TheirStudent Loans Canceled > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-
pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment for them.I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loans. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of
but not books. So I worked full time and took > >>>>>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's > >>>>>>>>>> and most ofschool costs with all my other financial responsibilities. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition,I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. > >>>>>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help > >>>>>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance > >>>>>>>>>
transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days > >>>>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the > >>>>>>> Pueblo was seized. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Did you run out of toilets to clean? > >>>>>> > >>>>> That?s TrueI was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service > >>>>>>>> connected ailments and retired. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. > >>>>>>> I missed that by
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
-- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >>>>>> and most of another for me.
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the >>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >>>>>>
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >>> Pueblo was seized.
Did you run out of toilets to clean?
Thats True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave >oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill ><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowserI never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the >>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >>>>>>>>>> loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >>>>>>>
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >>>>>
and most of another for me.
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >>before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >>Pueblo was seized.
I ended up being extended 11 days after my 12 months. I was never sure
why. It gave me the same VA benefits a 2 year person got, for a while.
Then later when I looked they trimmed that all back. I didn't really
care. There wasn't much I needed from them. IBM had 100% tuition
refund but I found out right away, it was not going to mean more money
in my salary and I was already spending 4-5 months a year in school.
We did have one guy who got into that Pentagon U thing where they had >accelerated degrees for DoD folks and he ended up with a masters
before it was all over. IBM said "so what"? "We hired you to be a CE.
Can you fix machines better now"? They were not interested in making
him a manager.
He ended up quitting. I never heard what happened to him after that
but I knew going to college wasn't going to help me any. I didn't want
to be a manager and if I did, I could get the job without a degree. By
the time I moved to Florida I had already done some of the jobs that
were precursors to management and I didn't like them.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:07:56 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >>>>>> and most of another for me.
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans CanceledCancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the >>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >>>>>>
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >>>I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >>>before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >>>Pueblo was seized.
I ended up being extended 11 days after my 12 months. I was never sure
why. It gave me the same VA benefits a 2 year person got, for a while.
Then later when I looked they trimmed that all back. I didn't really
care. There wasn't much I needed from them. IBM had 100% tuition
refund but I found out right away, it was not going to mean more money
in my salary and I was already spending 4-5 months a year in school.
We did have one guy who got into that Pentagon U thing where they had >>accelerated degrees for DoD folks and he ended up with a masters
before it was all over. IBM said "so what"? "We hired you to be a CE.
Can you fix machines better now"? They were not interested in making
him a manager.
He ended up quitting. I never heard what happened to him after that
but I knew going to college wasn't going to help me any. I didn't want
to be a manager and if I did, I could get the job without a degree. By
the time I moved to Florida I had already done some of the jobs that
were precursors to management and I didn't like them.
I'm sure you were able to fix at least a couple of more shitters in 11 >days... you've got some experience!
On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 16:47:02 -0800, Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:07:56 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >>>>>>> and most of another for me.
On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the >>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne? >>>>>>>>>>>>
--
https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
loans.
paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
money to tour Europe to
? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >>>>>>>>>
NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >>>>>>>
Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >>>>> because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >>>>> connected ailments and retired.
I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >>>>I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >>>>before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >>>>Pueblo was seized.
I ended up being extended 11 days after my 12 months. I was never sure >>>why. It gave me the same VA benefits a 2 year person got, for a while. >>>Then later when I looked they trimmed that all back. I didn't really >>>care. There wasn't much I needed from them. IBM had 100% tuition
refund but I found out right away, it was not going to mean more money
in my salary and I was already spending 4-5 months a year in school.
We did have one guy who got into that Pentagon U thing where they had >>>accelerated degrees for DoD folks and he ended up with a masters
before it was all over. IBM said "so what"? "We hired you to be a CE.
Can you fix machines better now"? They were not interested in making
him a manager.
He ended up quitting. I never heard what happened to him after that
but I knew going to college wasn't going to help me any. I didn't want
to be a manager and if I did, I could get the job without a degree. By >>>the time I moved to Florida I had already done some of the jobs that
were precursors to management and I didn't like them.
I'm sure you were able to fix at least a couple of more shitters in 11 >>days... you've got some experience!
That wasn't one of Donnie's posts, dummy.
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