Flunky has a nice Bontrager with a shitty fork on it
but can any of us know the last time he actually raced?
That would make no difference at all, if he wasn't bragging about it so much.
Scharf appears to be converting over to think first and comment later which changes his positions completely.
So what are these people posting so often on this site if none of them even know how to hold a wrench let alone have any bicycle repair speciualized tools?
One of the things that has bugged me about the 11 and 12 speed groups is that all of the high speed cogs are only one tooth apart. This means you spend a lot of time trying to find the gear you actually need instead of the next gear,
I also haven't been able to get the chain to not drag at the extremes. Di2 solved this problem partially by overshiting to get a shift and then stepping back to get a quiet run, But that too drags at the extremes. No matter what I have done, theextremes make noise.
But that is different with the 10 speed wide ratio Shimano. It is quiet in the extremes and if has large steps (11-13-15 etc.) so that it is a lot easier to guess what gear you need.Unless you're going to very high cost extremes you can't get more than 2 lbs advantage with a Carbon Fiber bike and then you have a limited lifetime bike. What good is a lifetime warranty from Trek if you go head first into the road? Yes this is also a
Now that Ultegra and Dura Ace are Di2 12 speed only, the manual 105;s failing appear to be a slight weight penalty from the previous Dura Ace though not much. With Water bottle and saddle pack my Basso and Fondriest are just 20 lbs for steel bikes.
And so far I haven;t found any CF bike that rides well.
We're even hearing those complaints from pros.
I'm riding CF bikes in the nasty weather and
I am getting pain in my hands and arms from it. So I will be glad when the weather improves and I can use my good bikes.
By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
Personal Records
Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
Lifetime Totals
Activities
Activities 640
Distance 15,850.50 mi
Time 2080:40:35 hrs
Calories 903,642
Total Ascent 608,397 ft
Your talking about competence is pretty silly
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 11:07:30 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:extremes make noise.
On 12/29/2023 12:15 PM, Tom Kunich wrote more proof that I live rent
free in his head:
Flunky has a nice Bontrager with a shitty fork on itI'm sure Brent Steelman would love to have you say that to his face.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030207230412/http://www.steelmancycles.com/cc.html
"The CC frame is equipped with our own exclusive straight blade
unicrown fork."
but can any of us know the last time he actually raced?You could simply ask:
https://www.strava.com/activities/6187247258
Or, you could take you head out of your ass a pay attention to the dozen
other times I've listed race activities
That would make no difference at all, if he wasn't bragging about it so much.I've never bragged that I race, you idiot, I've noted my race
participation when it's relevant to the discussion.
Scharf appears to be converting over to think first and comment later which changes his positions completely.Like metric torx wrenches?
So what are these people posting so often on this site if none of them even know how to hold a wrench let alone have any bicycle repair speciualized tools?
One of the things that has bugged me about the 11 and 12 speed groups is that all of the high speed cogs are only one tooth apart. This means you spend a lot of time trying to find the gear you actually need instead of the next gear,Competent riders don't generally have this problem
I also haven't been able to get the chain to not drag at the extremes. Di2 solved this problem partially by overshiting to get a shift and then stepping back to get a quiet run, But that too drags at the extremes. No matter what I have done, the
Unless you're going to very high cost extremes you can't get more than 2 lbs advantage with a Carbon Fiber bike and then you have a limited lifetime bike. What good is a lifetime warranty from Trek if you go head first into the road? Yes this is also a"so many problems!" - Frank Krygowski
But that is different with the 10 speed wide ratio Shimano. It is quiet in the extremes and if has large steps (11-13-15 etc.) so that it is a lot easier to guess what gear you need.
Now that Ultegra and Dura Ace are Di2 12 speed only, the manual 105;s failing appear to be a slight weight penalty from the previous Dura Ace though not much. With Water bottle and saddle pack my Basso and Fondriest are just 20 lbs for steel bikes.
When will you replace your cheap $400 chinese carbon wheels?
And so far I haven;t found any CF bike that rides well.That's a personal problem on your part
We're even hearing those complaints from pros.No, we aren't
I'm riding CF bikes in the nasty weather andYou just stated your problem, likely none the wiser - Maybe you should
I am getting pain in my hands and arms from it. So I will be glad when the weather improves and I can use my good bikes.
ride a good _carbon_ bike.
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I'm glad I didn't get around to putting you in the kill file yet since you make all of your stupid poiunts -public.
Exactly what sort of stupid ass takes advertisements at face value? I know Brent and you don't.
If you read the following posting you'd have seen that I didn't need a Strava account of anything - I was taking your word for it.
Do you men those "cheap Chinese wheels that were designed for Campagnolo and later distributed by Profile Designs and are not "carbon wheels" but aluminum wheels with carbon fairings? You are getting mentally slower by the hour.
I have owned Trek Emonda SL, Trek Modone, Ridley, Canyon, Cervelo, Colnago C40, C50 and CLX and BMC Team Machine. Tell me what you know about "good carbon bikes" when you couldn't afford any of them?
On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
Personal Records
Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
for sure!
Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
Lifetime Totals
Activities
Activities 640
Distance 15,850.50 mi
Time 2080:40:35 hrs
Calories 903,642
Total Ascent 608,397 ft
If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
Your talking about competence is pretty silly
Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
it up with him.
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer >> if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
Personal Records
Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold >>> for sure!
Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a >>> power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would >>> translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
Brighton for fish and chips!
Roger Merriman
Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
Lifetime Totals
Activities
Activities 640
Distance 15,850.50 mi
Time 2080:40:35 hrs
Calories 903,642
Total Ascent 608,397 ft
If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
Your talking about competence is pretty silly
Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take >>> it up with him.
Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow?
Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a
bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom
Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?
Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country
that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>> Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:Hardly as my Gravel is largely MTB lite I’m not hooning along at 20mph on >> gravel roads around Kanas say, so a 14mph average isn’t to be sniffed at >> normally average 11mph on mixed though largely off road surfaces.
On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my
concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done: >>>>>>
Personal Records
Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why
haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold >>>>> for sure!
Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a >>>>> power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would >>>>> translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that >>>>> 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you >>>>> at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to
Brighton for fish and chips!
Roger Merriman
Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
Lifetime Totals
Activities
Activities 640
Distance 15,850.50 mi
Time 2080:40:35 hrs
Calories 903,642
Total Ascent 608,397 ft
If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty >>>>> sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
Your talking about competence is pretty silly
Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight
block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't
figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run >>>>> quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take >>>>> it up with him.
Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow?
Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a
bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom
Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?
He unless my memory mistakes me regularly gets to the Alps and similar, ie >> is an experience descender. And reaching 65mph as was pointed out before is >> very much a outlier you need combo of right hill, with the skill/bravery
Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country
that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.
and power to reach it, only have to look at SAFA Brian’s videos he’s using
the entire road even with his skill set and performance.
Some of the pros do publish to Strava etc, and most are 30/40 something ie >> in realms of normal, I’m told the sprinters chasing the time cut are fairly
rapid at times though!
Roger Merriman
Since most of my rides at least start in the city my average moving speed until very recently had been 11.5 mph. Lately since I am trying to keep
up with my climbing, it is closer to 10 mph. Back in 2019 I was still
moving pretty fast but now I don't know if age or winter weight is slowing me down.
It is very difficult for me to take off weight without hills and the vast majority of hill roads were destroyed by last winter's rains. And there
is no appearqnce that they are going to repair them. Those that are open, have pretty long stretches of one way traffic confined to a single lane
and traffic moving at up to 50 mph Would you like to meet someone like
this going the other way on a single lane road? I have taken chances with these roads but it makes me nervous as hell now. At one tikme I would go
full out down an 11 or 12
5 grade and around a 40 degree turn and stayi n my lane since that turn
is blind. Then there was a driveway that used to be used so you would
have to beware of that and then one mile further down the road was
another driveway that cars would pull out of without even looking so you
had to beware of that. At that point you were going to fast to stop from
the time you saw them until you went through them. So I'vbe stopped
taking chances there. This is where Lou doesn't beliece you can go 65 MPH even though the road is straight and any cars behind you are dropped so
hard that it takes them a mile past the last driveway to catch up. There
is a winery up there that just closed and the owner called me to say he
was saving some wine for me. So I drove up there earlier this week. On
the way back I simply coasted from where the road straightened out (in my SUV) and I coasted at 70 mph all the way down to where the road changed
to one lane. And that was with the transmission in Drive. So you'll have
to forgive me if I call bullshit on not coasting at 65 mph on 11%
downhills. Remember that I didn't say that I maintained that but that I
hit it. And inasmuch as I can't trust all of the numbers out of the
Garmin, I saw these speeds on this section using a German VTO
speedometer.in the mid 2010's before I started using Garmin. It would
record Speed, Top Speed and Distance.
How fast do pro cyclists descend?
Pro cyclists typically descend at 60 miles per hour (100 kph). The
average top speed of leaders can be higher than 65mph (105kph). This is
on sustained downhill and after years of experience where they not only
have the instincts and stamina to maintain that speed; but also
understand how to enter hairpin turns to successfully accelerate out of
the turns. The other skill that is important is to maintain an
aerodynamic posture while in the drops of your handles to fight off wind resistance.
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 7:30:04 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:In the first place the peak is at least 12%, in the second, place weight
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:Again if something is too good to be true or doesn’t pass the sanity test. >> Even if the hill was an average of 11% rather than peak, grade you’d need >> to be 300lb which seems unlikely considering your preference for light
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>> Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:Hardly as my Gravel is largely MTB lite I’m not hooning along at 20mph on
On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my >>>>>>>> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done: >>>>>>>>
Personal Records
Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why >>>>>>> haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
for sure!
Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that >>>>>>> 24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you >>>>>>> at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to >>>>>> Brighton for fish and chips!
Roger Merriman
Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
Lifetime Totals
Activities
Activities 640
Distance 15,850.50 mi
Time 2080:40:35 hrs
Calories 903,642
Total Ascent 608,397 ft
If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty >>>>>>> sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
Your talking about competence is pretty silly
Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight >>>>>>> block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't >>>>>>> figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run >>>>>>> quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
it up with him.
Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow?
Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a >>>>> bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom
Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55?
gravel roads around Kanas say, so a 14mph average isn’t to be sniffed at >>>> normally average 11mph on mixed though largely off road surfaces.
He unless my memory mistakes me regularly gets to the Alps and similar, ie >>>> is an experience descender. And reaching 65mph as was pointed out before is
Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country >>>>> that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.
very much a outlier you need combo of right hill, with the skill/bravery >>>> and power to reach it, only have to look at SAFA Brian’s videos he’s using
the entire road even with his skill set and performance.
Some of the pros do publish to Strava etc, and most are 30/40 something ie >>>> in realms of normal, I’m told the sprinters chasing the time cut are fairly
rapid at times though!
Roger Merriman
Since most of my rides at least start in the city my average moving speed >>> until very recently had been 11.5 mph. Lately since I am trying to keep
up with my climbing, it is closer to 10 mph. Back in 2019 I was still
moving pretty fast but now I don't know if age or winter weight is slowing me down.
It is very difficult for me to take off weight without hills and the vast >>> majority of hill roads were destroyed by last winter's rains. And there
is no appearqnce that they are going to repair them. Those that are open, >>> have pretty long stretches of one way traffic confined to a single lane
and traffic moving at up to 50 mph Would you like to meet someone like
this going the other way on a single lane road? I have taken chances with >>> these roads but it makes me nervous as hell now. At one tikme I would go >>> full out down an 11 or 12
5 grade and around a 40 degree turn and stayi n my lane since that turn
is blind. Then there was a driveway that used to be used so you would
have to beware of that and then one mile further down the road was
another driveway that cars would pull out of without even looking so you >>> had to beware of that. At that point you were going to fast to stop from >>> the time you saw them until you went through them. So I'vbe stopped
taking chances there. This is where Lou doesn't beliece you can go 65 MPH >>> even though the road is straight and any cars behind you are dropped so
hard that it takes them a mile past the last driveway to catch up. There >>> is a winery up there that just closed and the owner called me to say he
was saving some wine for me. So I drove up there earlier this week. On
the way back I simply coasted from where the road straightened out (in my >>> SUV) and I coasted at 70 mph all the way down to where the road changed
to one lane. And that was with the transmission in Drive. So you'll have >>> to forgive me if I call bullshit on not coasting at 65 mph on 11%
downhills. Remember that I didn't say that I maintained that but that I
hit it. And inasmuch as I can't trust all of the numbers out of the
Garmin, I saw these speeds on this section using a German VTO
speedometer.in the mid 2010's before I started using Garmin. It would
record Speed, Top Speed and Distance.
bikes. One of my club mates who by his own admission has a darts player
physique and height ie 6”3/4 isn’t heavy enough at the 200lb you’d need to
be pushing out significant amounts of power, around 1000 watts to reach
65mph, this isn’t believable.
How fast do pro cyclists descend?They do not typically descend at 60mph tv cameras will follow the Tom
Pro cyclists typically descend at 60 miles per hour (100 kph). The
average top speed of leaders can be higher than 65mph (105kph). This is
on sustained downhill and after years of experience where they not only
have the instincts and stamina to maintain that speed; but also
understand how to enter hairpin turns to successfully accelerate out of
the turns. The other skill that is important is to maintain an
aerodynamic posture while in the drops of your handles to fight off wind resistance.
Pidcock and so on as it’s good tv, but they are outliers the main bunch are
more 30/40mph when ever I’ve bothered to check folks Strava or simply
watch.
Apparently the sprinters do descend fast, as generally they are better bike >> handlers and it’s free speed/time. Though tv cameras have long gone.
Roger Merriman
has nothing to do with it. it is purely aerodynamics and at an average of
11% not much of that.
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 9:28:13 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 12:05:59 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote: >>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
Roger, the force of gravity operates exactly the same on ALL bodies. That is 6th grade physics. The different is entirely aerodynamic drag, and rolling resistance.On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 7:30:04 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:To have any chance need the grade to be consistent high not just peaks,
In the first place the peak is at least 12%, in the second, place weight >>>> has nothing to do with it. it is purely aerodynamics and at an average of >>>> 11% not much of that.On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:Again if something is too good to be true or doesn’t pass the sanity test.
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:06:19 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:gravel roads around Kanas say, so a 14mph average isn’t to be sniffed at
Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 12/29/2023 3:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:Indeed my fastest 40k at least according to Garmin was at least a hr longer
By the way, since 2012 I have had to be properly treated for my >>>>>>>>>>> concussion, had to have the medication balanced and learn to ride all over again.
Since I got my Garmin just three years ago here is what I have done:
Personal Records
Cycling 40 km 26:24 2022
My, that works out to about 56 MPH, that _is_ impressive tommy! Why >>>>>>>>>> haven't you entered the masters world championships? You'd take the gold
for sure!
Total Ascent 4,826 ft 2019
Max Avg Power (20 min)298 W 2019
And to think you managed to have the garmin generate this data without a
power meter! BTW, If the 40K record of 26 minutes is correct, that would
translate to a sustained power output of just under 4000 watts for that
24 minutes (yes, 4000 watts). A 20 minute effort at 298 watts puts you
at 22 MPH. Which are we to believe?
if not more admittedly Gravel ride though fairly fast stuff on way to >>>>>>>>> Brighton for fish and chips!
Roger Merriman
Longest Ride 72.43 mi 2021
Lifetime Totals
Activities
Activities 640
Distance 15,850.50 mi
Time 2080:40:35 hrs
Calories 903,642
Total Ascent 608,397 ft
If I was retired and lived in an area where it never snowed, I'm pretty
sure I'd be blowing that out of the water.
Your talking about competence is pretty silly
Well, I'm not the one who can't find the right gear with a straight >>>>>>>>>> block, can't figure out how to keep carbon fiber bars tight, can't >>>>>>>>>> figure out how to get get a chain to not "drag at the extremes" and run
quietly, "So Many Problems!" - Frank Krygowski
Brent Steelman made a great unicrown fork. IF you don't believe me, take
it up with him.
Do you suppose that Garmin is lying to you to make yiou feel slow? >>>>>>>> Remember Lou's claim that it was impossible to fall off a cliff on a >>>>>>>> bicycle and go 65 mph and as proof of that he showed a video of Tom >>>>>>>> Pidcock or someone descending a mild grade and still hitting 55? >>>>>>> Hardly as my Gravel is largely MTB lite I’m not hooning along at 20mph on
normally average 11mph on mixed though largely off road surfaces. >>>>>>>>
Now I don't want to insult Lou, but someone that comes from a country >>>>>>>> that averages 2 meters below sea level should not be talking abput descending speeds.He unless my memory mistakes me regularly gets to the Alps and similar, ie
is an experience descender. And reaching 65mph as was pointed out before is
very much a outlier you need combo of right hill, with the skill/bravery
and power to reach it, only have to look at SAFA Brian’s videos he’s using
the entire road even with his skill set and performance.
Some of the pros do publish to Strava etc, and most are 30/40 something ie
in realms of normal, I’m told the sprinters chasing the time cut are fairly
rapid at times though!
Roger Merriman
Since most of my rides at least start in the city my average moving speed
until very recently had been 11.5 mph. Lately since I am trying to keep >>>>>> up with my climbing, it is closer to 10 mph. Back in 2019 I was still >>>>>> moving pretty fast but now I don't know if age or winter weight is slowing me down.
It is very difficult for me to take off weight without hills and the vast
majority of hill roads were destroyed by last winter's rains. And there >>>>>> is no appearqnce that they are going to repair them. Those that are open,
have pretty long stretches of one way traffic confined to a single lane >>>>>> and traffic moving at up to 50 mph Would you like to meet someone like >>>>>> this going the other way on a single lane road? I have taken chances with
these roads but it makes me nervous as hell now. At one tikme I would go >>>>>> full out down an 11 or 12
5 grade and around a 40 degree turn and stayi n my lane since that turn >>>>>> is blind. Then there was a driveway that used to be used so you would >>>>>> have to beware of that and then one mile further down the road was >>>>>> another driveway that cars would pull out of without even looking so you >>>>>> had to beware of that. At that point you were going to fast to stop from >>>>>> the time you saw them until you went through them. So I'vbe stopped >>>>>> taking chances there. This is where Lou doesn't beliece you can go 65 MPH
even though the road is straight and any cars behind you are dropped so >>>>>> hard that it takes them a mile past the last driveway to catch up. There >>>>>> is a winery up there that just closed and the owner called me to say he >>>>>> was saving some wine for me. So I drove up there earlier this week. On >>>>>> the way back I simply coasted from where the road straightened out (in my
SUV) and I coasted at 70 mph all the way down to where the road changed >>>>>> to one lane. And that was with the transmission in Drive. So you'll have >>>>>> to forgive me if I call bullshit on not coasting at 65 mph on 11%
downhills. Remember that I didn't say that I maintained that but that I >>>>>> hit it. And inasmuch as I can't trust all of the numbers out of the >>>>>> Garmin, I saw these speeds on this section using a German VTO
speedometer.in the mid 2010's before I started using Garmin. It would >>>>>> record Speed, Top Speed and Distance.
Even if the hill was an average of 11% rather than peak, grade you’d need
to be 300lb which seems unlikely considering your preference for light >>>>> bikes. One of my club mates who by his own admission has a darts player >>>>> physique and height ie 6”3/4 isn’t heavy enough at the 200lb you’d need to
be pushing out significant amounts of power, around 1000 watts to reach >>>>> 65mph, this isn’t believable.
How fast do pro cyclists descend?They do not typically descend at 60mph tv cameras will follow the Tom >>>>> Pidcock and so on as it’s good tv, but they are outliers the main bunch are
Pro cyclists typically descend at 60 miles per hour (100 kph). The >>>>>> average top speed of leaders can be higher than 65mph (105kph). This is >>>>>> on sustained downhill and after years of experience where they not only >>>>>> have the instincts and stamina to maintain that speed; but also
understand how to enter hairpin turns to successfully accelerate out of >>>>>> the turns. The other skill that is important is to maintain an
aerodynamic posture while in the drops of your handles to fight off wind resistance.
more 30/40mph when ever I’ve bothered to check folks Strava or simply >>>>> watch.
Apparently the sprinters do descend fast, as generally they are better bike
handlers and it’s free speed/time. Though tv cameras have long gone. >>>>>
Roger Merriman
even then would need substantial amounts of power, or weight.
And yes weight does matter, some of my ride companions are light folks, ie >>> 50/60kg women and it’s fairly obvious that on even fairly gentle rolling >>> stuff, that I’ll pull away freewheeling, I’m 95kg give or take unless they
pedal to keep up, on longer bigger hills the gap gets bigger.
on the larger Welsh hills the gap is over beyond seconds into minutes these >>> are much fitter and competitive folks, for example they probably didn’t >>> need to brake but I will scrub some as I don’t like blind corners at speed.
Roger Merriman
But not the magnitude. With a heavier person the aero drag doesn't increase as much as the weight does, hence a heavier person can descent normally faster. Read Newton's second law.
Lou
How fast do pro cyclists descend?that speed; but also understand how to enter hairpin turns to successfully accelerate out of the turns. The other skill that is important is to maintain an aerodynamic posture while in the drops of your handles to fight off wind resistance.
Pro cyclists typically descend at 60 miles per hour (100 kph). The average top speed of leaders can be higher than 65mph (105kph). This is on sustained downhill and after years of experience where they not only have the instincts and stamina to maintain
On 12/31/2023 3:55 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I know that I hit 65 and I dropped cars in the process.
Bullshit. Tell us the name of the road and it's exact location. Let us
see its characteristics for ourselves.
On 1/1/2024 10:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:reason,.
On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 18:39:12 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 12/31/2023 3:55 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I know that I hit 65 and I dropped cars in the process.
Bullshit. Tell us the name of the road and it's exact location. Let us >>>> see its characteristics for ourselves.
Krygowski questions others on speed when he rides a steel rouring bike that has bar end shifters and a freewheel. His ointellect is a joke.80% of graduate engineers cannot obtain a position in ANY sort of engineering and teachers like Frank are the
Your mistaken insults of my bikes are totally irrelevant deflections. If
your claims of super fast downhill speeds were true, you could silence
your many critics immediately by giving us the name and location of the
road.
You're not doing that because you know you'd look even more foolish.
BUT! You somehow forgot to blame Obama, Biden and Newsom for reducing
the force of gravity! Tom, you're slipping!
On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
He's under no obligation to relate any information to you,
Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
I was under the impression that I had mentioned it many time, the road I was dropping cars on was Palomares Road.
On 1/1/2024 1:31 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
He's under no obligation to relate any information to you, even if he did you accuse him of bragging
Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
Frank: I worked with a guy that did this-and-that
dumbass: that's a lie
Frank: his name was So and So
dumbass: you're just bragging
Floriduh dumbass, making the dumbshine state proud.
Asking the location of a public road is far different than asking me to >publicly post the name of a private individual and expose him to the
abuse common here.
And I note that my desire to protect my friend's confidentiality is
being mocked by an anonymous poster! How's that for irony?
However, I have given the name of my gun designer friend, plus other
info on him, to a couple interested people on this list whom I trust
will not broadcast that info.
On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 16:31:23 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 16:16:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 1/1/2024 1:31 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote: >>>>>
Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.He's under no obligation to relate any information to you, even if he did you accuse him of bragging
Frank: I worked with a guy that did this-and-that
dumbass: that's a lie
Frank: his name was So and So
dumbass: you're just bragging
Floriduh dumbass, making the dumbshine state proud.
Asking the location of a public road is far different than asking me to >>>publicly post the name of a private individual and expose him to the >>>abuse common here.
You already said he was well known, so why keep his name hidden?
And I note that my desire to protect my friend's confidentiality is
being mocked by an anonymous poster! How's that for irony?
Of course, I don't post any references to well known [imaginary]
people, either.
However, I have given the name of my gun designer friend, plus other
info on him, to a couple interested people on this list whom I trust
will not broadcast that info.
<EYEROLL> Another undocumented claim to support the first undocumented >>claim.
Strange logic. Is there something shameful about designing guns?
After all Frank is identified by his previous employer, he was
identified as a member if some sort of "safety" group (sorry I didn't
keep the reference). He is even identified by OfficalUSA , including
address, dependent's names and even telephone
numbers. ( https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/ }
But a guy working for, Sturm Ruger (would it be?), is a deep dark
secret.
Or perhaps he only exists in Frank's imagination and therefore must be
kept a secret from all?
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:31:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com" <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
He's under no obligation to relate any information to you,
Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
...and neither is Mr Kinich.
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 11:56:46 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
I was under the impression that I had mentioned it many time, the road I
was dropping cars on was Palomares Road.
Amazing. Tom did mention Palomeres Rd 26 times: <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/search?q=Palomares+author%3ATom+author%3AKunich>
However, almost every link is about climbing and not about a high
speed descent. I didn't check every link, but the only references I
could find that mentioned downhill on Palomares Rd were those in this
thread.
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Wt95T4jv-U0/m/vfidZioTAQAJ> Tom switches between Palomeres Rd and Niles Canyon so I can't tell
which one he's discussing. However, he does mention grades of 10% and
15% for climbing. No mention of descent.
"Sunol - Palomares - Dublin Grade"
<https://www.strava.com/routes/104622>
The steepest grade I could find is 10.3%
<https://bayarearides.com/rides/palomares/>
"Other than the insides of a few curves where the grade touches 10 or
11 percent, the highest average grade you experience during these
steeper parts is 9%, and this is always in stretches of less than a
quarter mile at a time, between which the grade eases back a tick or
two."
On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 7:46:32 AM UTC-5, Roger Merriman wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 11:56:46 -0800 (PST), Tom KunichFor fairly obvious reasons hills consistently in double digits for any
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
I was under the impression that I had mentioned it many time, the road I >>>> was dropping cars on was Palomares Road.
Amazing. Tom did mention Palomeres Rd 26 times:
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/search?q=Palomares+author%3ATom+author%3AKunich>
However, almost every link is about climbing and not about a high
speed descent. I didn't check every link, but the only references I
could find that mentioned downhill on Palomares Rd were those in this
thread.
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Wt95T4jv-U0/m/vfidZioTAQAJ>
Tom switches between Palomeres Rd and Niles Canyon so I can't tell
which one he's discussing. However, he does mention grades of 10% and
15% for climbing. No mention of descent.
"Sunol - Palomares - Dublin Grade"
<https://www.strava.com/routes/104622>
The steepest grade I could find is 10.3%
<https://bayarearides.com/rides/palomares/>
"Other than the insides of a few curves where the grade touches 10 or
11 percent, the highest average grade you experience during these
steeper parts is 9%, and this is always in stretches of less than a
quarter mile at a time, between which the grade eases back a tick or
two."
distance ie few miles/km are quite rare I struggle to think of any to be
honest, are hills that average that but will ramp up to 20/30% number of
hill climbs in the Uk Lakes district do this.
Get shorter very steep hills about but frankly aren’t going to hit high
speeds down those high disk rotor temps possibly but not speeds.
Well, I guess if a 30 something active racer can hit 65 on the steepest downhill section, our 78 year old tommy with his TBI and balance prblems can do it too...
https://www.strava.com/activities/2627949200#65886918281
Roger Merriman
On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 19:57:15 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 07:12:51 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 16:31:23 -0500, Catrike Ryder >>><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 16:16:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski >>>><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 1/1/2024 1:31 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote: >>>>>>>
Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.He's under no obligation to relate any information to you, even if he did you accuse him of bragging
Frank: I worked with a guy that did this-and-that
dumbass: that's a lie
Frank: his name was So and So
dumbass: you're just bragging
Floriduh dumbass, making the dumbshine state proud.
Asking the location of a public road is far different than asking me to >>>>>publicly post the name of a private individual and expose him to the >>>>>abuse common here.
You already said he was well known, so why keep his name hidden?
And I note that my desire to protect my friend's confidentiality is >>>>>being mocked by an anonymous poster! How's that for irony?
Of course, I don't post any references to well known [imaginary] >>>>people, either.
However, I have given the name of my gun designer friend, plus other >>>>>info on him, to a couple interested people on this list whom I trust >>>>>will not broadcast that info.
<EYEROLL> Another undocumented claim to support the first undocumented >>>>claim.
Strange logic. Is there something shameful about designing guns?
After all Frank is identified by his previous employer, he was
identified as a member if some sort of "safety" group (sorry I didn't >>>keep the reference). He is even identified by OfficalUSA , including >>>address, dependent's names and even telephone
numbers. ( https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/ }
But a guy working for, Sturm Ruger (would it be?), is a deep dark
secret.
Or perhaps he only exists in Frank's imagination and therefore must be >>>kept a secret from all?
Perhaps?
Even more condemning is the fact that the names of people who working
for Sturm Ruger who designed or invented devices are freely available.
See:
https://patents.justia.com/assignee/sturm-ruger-company-inc
Tom Krygowski ???
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:31:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote: >>>>
Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.He's under no obligation to relate any information to you,
...and neither is Mr Kinich.
Hes quite happy to name various roads that he enjoys riding, and yes hes
at no obligation to name the hill, but equally no one is likely to believe >his claims even yourself I suspect as he cant back it up.
And its beyond what is probable.
Roger Merriman
On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:46:28 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:31:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote: >>>>>
Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.He's under no obligation to relate any information to you,
...and neither is Mr Kinich.
Hes quite happy to name various roads that he enjoys riding, and yes hes >> at no obligation to name the hill, but equally no one is likely to believe >> his claims even yourself I suspect as he cant back it up.
And its beyond what is probable.
Roger Merriman
His stories are what they are, but he doesn't use them to bolster his qualifications to tell others what they should do.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:46:28 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:31:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote: >>>>>>
Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.He's under no obligation to relate any information to you,
...and neither is Mr Kinich.
He?s quite happy to name various roads that he enjoys riding, and yes he?s >>> at no obligation to name the hill, but equally no one is likely to believe >>> his claims even yourself I suspect as he can?t back it up.
And it?s beyond what is probable.
Roger Merriman
His stories are what they are, but he doesn't use them to bolster his
qualifications to tell others what they should do.
Just because it would mean being in agreement with Frank doesnt make it >wrong.
Roger Merriman
On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:46:28 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:31:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote: >>>>>
Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.He's under no obligation to relate any information to you,
...and neither is Mr Kinich.
He’s quite happy to name various roads that he enjoys riding, and yes he’s
at no obligation to name the hill, but equally no one is likely to believe >> his claims even yourself I suspect as he can’t back it up.
And it’s beyond what is probable.
Roger Merriman
His stories are what they are, but he doesn't use them to bolster his qualifications to tell others what they should do.
On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 7:20:41?AM UTC-8, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 15:01:14 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:Of course not, in fact, I agree with Frank about some things, bicycle
On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:46:28 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:31:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:57:27?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
He's under no obligation to relate any information to you,
Krygowski's well known "friend," he refuses to name.
...and neither is Mr Kinich.
He?s quite happy to name various roads that he enjoys riding, and yes he?s
at no obligation to name the hill, but equally no one is likely to believe
his claims even yourself I suspect as he can?t back it up.
And it?s beyond what is probable.
Roger Merriman
His stories are what they are, but he doesn't use them to bolster his
qualifications to tell others what they should do.
Just because it would mean being in agreement with Frank doesnt make it
wrong.
Roger Merriman
helmets, for instance.
Frank doesn't just dislike using helmets himself, he thinks that no one should wear a helmet. While I agree that helmets don't save lives, they do prevent or lessen minor injuries. As a trike ride you have no need for one.
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