• The end of government subsidy programs

    From AMuzi@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 6 12:30:16 2023
    As always, paying riders to acquire (and possibly ride)
    bicycles descends into the minutiae of offended interest
    groups, envy, disparate impact and all the rest:


    https://cyclingindustry.news/substantial-cycle-to-work-scheme-variation-is-holding-back-take-up/

    "potentially leaving disabled staff, those with children, or
    in need of electric cycles, locked out of buying one"

    oh, the horror. someone in envious of someone else.
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    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Tom Kunich on Wed Dec 6 14:16:44 2023
    On 12/6/2023 2:11 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 10:30:56 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
    As always, paying riders to acquire (and possibly ride)
    bicycles descends into the minutiae of offended interest
    groups, envy, disparate impact and all the rest:


    https://cyclingindustry.news/substantial-cycle-to-work-scheme-variation-is-holding-back-take-up/

    "potentially leaving disabled staff, those with children, or
    in need of electric cycles, locked out of buying one"

    oh, the horror. someone in envious of someone else.


    I think there is a problem with the cost of bicycles and that if manufacturers and not government do not address that we're going to have another fallout of bicycle brands.

    So what? That happened dramatically in 1898, 1976 and
    earlier this year. meh.

    Do you wake every morning in tears for all the fax stores or
    video rentals which closed up?

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    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Tom Kunich on Wed Dec 6 16:57:29 2023
    On 12/6/2023 3:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 12:16:49 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
    On 12/6/2023 2:11 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 10:30:56 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
    As always, paying riders to acquire (and possibly ride)
    bicycles descends into the minutiae of offended interest
    groups, envy, disparate impact and all the rest:


    https://cyclingindustry.news/substantial-cycle-to-work-scheme-variation-is-holding-back-take-up/

    "potentially leaving disabled staff, those with children, or
    in need of electric cycles, locked out of buying one"

    oh, the horror. someone in envious of someone else.


    I think there is a problem with the cost of bicycles and that if manufacturers and not government do not address that we're going to have another fallout of bicycle brands.
    So what? That happened dramatically in 1898, 1976 and
    earlier this year. meh.

    Do you wake every morning in tears for all the fax stores or
    video rentals which closed up?


    Andrew, rather than point it out I would hope that you immediately recognized the difference that technology made no longer necessary and one that went through so many layers of bureaucracy that they priced themselves out of business. Of course you're
    no doubt right that it's no big deal but don't you prefer the specialty houses? Don't you wonder what Schwinn might have become?

    Well, as I remain friends with one and another was my
    employee, I do think highly of the Schwinn family (Crazy
    Eddie excepted) and yes, a different history might have been...

    But it wasn't. And here we are.

    You might review the brilliant Schumpeter, a man of great
    insight who noted that a healthy forest always has dead
    trees. They fall and make space for new growth. Without
    that necessary and beautiful 'creative destruction, you get
    the horrible Japanese effect: two decades of no growth, the
    economy bound up by zombie banks holding worthless notes
    from firms with no profits, no future and no hope. Closer to
    home, the US Big Three (or 2-1/2 depending on how you count
    Fiat Stellantis) car makers who are paid to make cars that
    the government likes and then the consumer is paid to take
    them, vehicles which would not be profitable or popular in a
    free market and exist only on your tax dollars*.

    Do you want that future for bicycles?

    *In a larger sense the larger problem is that this economy
    could never support taxation enough to cover current levels
    of expenditure. It's mainly borrowed or 'created', mixing
    fiscal failures with monetary errors. Hence the persistent
    inflation. But that's a different conversation.

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    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 6 19:24:13 2023
    On Thu, 07 Dec 2023 07:55:03 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    (chomp)
    Rather then compare costs in dollars try comparing them in hours of
    work at minimum salary rates. In January this year minimum salary in >California was $15.50/hour. 5 years ago, 1 Jan 2018, it was
    $11.00/hour.

    Graph of the percentage of US hourly and salaried workers who are
    working for minimum wage or less: <https://www.statista.com/statistics/188206/share-of-workers-paid-hourly-rates-at-or-below-minimum-wage-since-1979/>
    In 2021, it 1.4%. At 10%, it was a problem. At 1.4%, it's probably
    not important.

    Note that most of those working for minimum wage are workers who are
    paid a commission on their sales. If the commission is less than
    minimum wage, the employer is obligated to pay them the minimum wage.
    This is usually the situation when they are initially hired and are
    beginning to learn how to sell. Those who remain at minimum wage are considered to be under-performing and are usually replaced.


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    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
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