Anyone trying to sell a wing rigger? Or have any suggestions on obtaining one? Thanks, chipI have used The Wing Rigger and they work great
On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:01:41 PM UTC-6, FloatingAcrossThe Universe wrote:
Anyone trying to sell a wing rigger? Or have any suggestions on obtaining one? Thanks, chipI have used The Wing Rigger and they work great
https://www.mmfabrication.com/wingrigger
On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 5:20:14 PM UTC-7, Ron Gleason wrote:
On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:01:41 PM UTC-6, FloatingAcrossThe Universe wrote:
Anyone trying to sell a wing rigger? Or have any suggestions on obtaining one? Thanks, chipI have used The Wing Rigger and they work great
https://www.mmfabrication.com/wingriggerhttps://www.craggyaero.com/mm_fabrication.htm
Richard
www.craggyaero.com
On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 5:20:14 PM UTC-7, Ron Gleason wrote:Hey Richard, was not aware you were a dealer for MM Fabrication. Craggy Aero + MM Fabrication = Great combination of folks (be careful they will have you rolling with laughter) and great products
On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:01:41 PM UTC-6, FloatingAcrossThe Universe wrote:
Anyone trying to sell a wing rigger? Or have any suggestions on obtaining one? Thanks, chipI have used The Wing Rigger and they work great
https://www.mmfabrication.com/wingriggerhttps://www.craggyaero.com/mm_fabrication.htm
Richard
www.craggyaero.com
Anyone trying to sell a wing rigger? Or have any suggestions on obtaining one? Thanks, chip
On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 5:01:41 PM UTC-7, FloatingAcrossThe Universe wrote:is far superior.
Anyone trying to sell a wing rigger? Or have any suggestions on obtaining one? Thanks, chip
I LOVE my IMI rigger. It is well-built and remote controlled. It is a little more on the spendy side of riggers, but well worth it. I have also used the Udo Rumpf rigger (only available used as Udo is no longer with us) and the Cobra rigger - the IMI
Tom 2G
On 5/22/2023 12:48 AM, 2G wrote:is far superior.
On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 5:01:41 PM UTC-7, FloatingAcrossThe Universe wrote:
Anyone trying to sell a wing rigger? Or have any suggestions on obtaining one? Thanks, chip
I LOVE my IMI rigger. It is well-built and remote controlled. It is a little more on the spendy side of riggers, but well worth it. I have also used the Udo Rumpf rigger (only available used as Udo is no longer with us) and the Cobra rigger - the IMI
Tom 2G
I've used the motorized IMI rigger and was pleased with it. The only
thing the IMI rigger (and all others that I know of) is missing is a motorized (or crank-driven) way to adjust the "angle of attack". That sometimes is a lingering difficulty in getting the wing-to-fuselage
attach pins aligned for insertion.
The adjustability of the IMI self-rigger is sufficient to accommodate even my weird glider.;-)))
The motorized version I have is a life-saver ...
I LOVE my IMI rigger. It is well-built and remote controlled.;-))
It is a little more on the spendy side of riggers, but well worth it.
On the IMI rigger I just screw the rubber bump stop on top of the pillar to the correct angle of attack position for my glider and leave it there
On Tuesday, 23 May 2023 at 19:07:20 UTC+1, Moshe Braner wrote:is far superior.
On 5/22/2023 12:48 AM, 2G wrote:
On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 5:01:41 PM UTC-7, FloatingAcrossThe Universe wrote:
Anyone trying to sell a wing rigger? Or have any suggestions on obtaining one? Thanks, chip
I LOVE my IMI rigger. It is well-built and remote controlled. It is a little more on the spendy side of riggers, but well worth it. I have also used the Udo Rumpf rigger (only available used as Udo is no longer with us) and the Cobra rigger - the IMI
I've used the motorized IMI rigger and was pleased with it. The only
Tom 2G
thing the IMI rigger (and all others that I know of) is missing is a
motorized (or crank-driven) way to adjust the "angle of attack". That
sometimes is a lingering difficulty in getting the wing-to-fuselage
attach pins aligned for insertion.
On the IMI rigger I just screw the rubber bump stop on top of the pillar to the correct angle of attack position for my glider and leave it there
On 5/24/2023 10:22 AM, John Galloway wrote:IMI is far superior.
On Tuesday, 23 May 2023 at 19:07:20 UTC+1, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 5/22/2023 12:48 AM, 2G wrote:
On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 5:01:41 PM UTC-7, FloatingAcrossThe Universe wrote:
Anyone trying to sell a wing rigger? Or have any suggestions on obtaining one? Thanks, chip
I LOVE my IMI rigger. It is well-built and remote controlled. It is a little more on the spendy side of riggers, but well worth it. I have also used the Udo Rumpf rigger (only available used as Udo is no longer with us) and the Cobra rigger - the
I've used the motorized IMI rigger and was pleased with it. The only
Tom 2G
thing the IMI rigger (and all others that I know of) is missing is a
motorized (or crank-driven) way to adjust the "angle of attack". That
sometimes is a lingering difficulty in getting the wing-to-fuselage
attach pins aligned for insertion.
On the IMI rigger I just screw the rubber bump stop on top of the pillar to the correct angle of attack position for my glider and leave it there
When you rig on grassy uneven ground, you can't simply "leave it there". It's different every time.
On 5/24/2023 10:22 AM, John Galloway wrote:
On Tuesday, 23 May 2023 at 19:07:20 UTC+1, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 5/22/2023 12:48 AM, 2G wrote:
On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 5:01:41 PM UTC-7, FloatingAcrossTheI've used the motorized IMI rigger and was pleased with it. The only
Universe wrote:
Anyone trying to sell a wing rigger? Or have any suggestions on
obtaining one? Thanks, chip
I LOVE my IMI rigger. It is well-built and remote controlled. It is
a little more on the spendy side of riggers, but well worth it. I
have also used the Udo Rumpf rigger (only available used as Udo is
no longer with us) and the Cobra rigger - the IMI is far superior.
Tom 2G
thing the IMI rigger (and all others that I know of) is missing is a
motorized (or crank-driven) way to adjust the "angle of attack". That
sometimes is a lingering difficulty in getting the wing-to-fuselage
attach pins aligned for insertion.
On the IMI rigger I just screw the rubber bump stop on top of the
pillar to the correct angle of attack position for my glider and leave
it there
When you rig on grassy uneven ground, you can't simply "leave it there".
It's different every time.
I don't understand the problem. Unless one has limited mobility or
strength, it's not difficult to manually twist the wingtip until the
lift and drag pins plug into the fuselage. The wings will then stay in
place for the main pins to be inserted after raising/lowering one or
both wingtips to align the main pin bushings.
What am I missing?
Dan
5J
On 5/24/23 20:50, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 5/24/2023 10:22 AM, John Galloway wrote:
On Tuesday, 23 May 2023 at 19:07:20 UTC+1, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 5/22/2023 12:48 AM, 2G wrote:
On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 5:01:41 PM UTC-7, FloatingAcrossTheI've used the motorized IMI rigger and was pleased with it. The only
Universe wrote:
Anyone trying to sell a wing rigger? Or have any suggestions on
obtaining one? Thanks, chip
I LOVE my IMI rigger. It is well-built and remote controlled. It is >>>> a little more on the spendy side of riggers, but well worth it. I
have also used the Udo Rumpf rigger (only available used as Udo is
no longer with us) and the Cobra rigger - the IMI is far superior.
Tom 2G
thing the IMI rigger (and all others that I know of) is missing is a
motorized (or crank-driven) way to adjust the "angle of attack". That >>> sometimes is a lingering difficulty in getting the wing-to-fuselage
attach pins aligned for insertion.
On the IMI rigger I just screw the rubber bump stop on top of the
pillar to the correct angle of attack position for my glider and leave
it there
When you rig on grassy uneven ground, you can't simply "leave it there".
It's different every time.
You probably rigged your Stemme one time and had a lot of help. Rigging my 31Mi with 3 guys is really easy - the guys on the wing tips are, basically, remote-controlled wing dollies. Doing it alone is a different kettle of fish. The main issue is thatthe main pins have no taper, so you have to get the spar bushings very carefully aligned before the pins can be inserted. This can be done with a lot of time and not a few swear words - and this is WITH an IMI remote-controlled rigger. A fellow 31Mi
A couple of other tricks are to start with the fuselage level and the wing tips raised the correct distance relative to the fuselage. Alternatively, you can raise the tips until the correct dihedral angle is met (you can use a bubble-level app on yoursmartphone for both tasks). Using the dihedral angle is particularly useful when rigging on uneven ground, say grass. You can measure all of the data you need the next time you de-rig.
I recently fully rigged my 31Mi in 30 min using the above procedure instead of two hours (which wasn't uncommon before).
Tom 2G
Wow! I'd say that's a difficult glider to rig as was my first glider, a Mosquito. But after learning how to do it, it's not a big deal.that the main pins have no taper, so you have to get the spar bushings very carefully aligned before the pins can be inserted. This can be done with a lot of time and not a few swear words - and this is WITH an IMI remote-controlled rigger. A fellow 31Mi
Not having an $80K (estimated) trailer, the center section of my Stemme
has never been taken off during the seven years that I've owned it. I
doubt it was ever removed once landing in North America.
My glider is kept in my hangar with the wings folded. Rigging the outer
38.5 or so feet of wings was initially difficult until I figured out the techniques. One time, I taxied out with the wings folded, checked my
watch as I climbed out, rigged the wings (including the manual hookups
for the outer section of the flaperons), and checked my watch again. It
took 9 minutes.
Knowing HOW makes the job trivial. It once took me 2 hours to rig the
wings, with a lot of cursing, but no more. You seem to have figured
yours out, as well, but with a very expensive piece of gear.
Enjoy!
Dan
5J
On 5/25/23 17:26, 2G wrote:
You probably rigged your Stemme one time and had a lot of help. Rigging my 31Mi with 3 guys is really easy - the guys on the wing tips are, basically, remote-controlled wing dollies. Doing it alone is a different kettle of fish. The main issue is
your smartphone for both tasks). Using the dihedral angle is particularly useful when rigging on uneven ground, say grass. You can measure all of the data you need the next time you de-rig.A couple of other tricks are to start with the fuselage level and the wing tips raised the correct distance relative to the fuselage. Alternatively, you can raise the tips until the correct dihedral angle is met (you can use a bubble-level app on
I recently fully rigged my 31Mi in 30 min using the above procedure instead of two hours (which wasn't uncommon before).
Tom 2G
Both of these were completely manual; you had to run back and forth from the cockpit to adjust the vertical and lateral.
Tom 2G
jack to adjust the fuselage rather than the rigger. Is it as easy as a moterised rigger, no, but it's pretty quick with practice. I used to rig my 31 every flying day this way. But I was on flat pavement. When on grass it is not as easy.Both of these were completely manual; you had to run back and forth from the cockpit to adjust the vertical and lateral.
Tom 2G
Actually this is a misconception. If you find the wing is too far forward or aft simply remove it and adjust by moving the root and push/pull a bit of a zig zag to move the rigger wheels forward or aft as needed. If the height is wrong use the cradle
On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 9:24:33 AM UTC-7, RR wrote:jack to adjust the fuselage rather than the rigger. Is it as easy as a moterised rigger, no, but it's pretty quick with practice. I used to rig my 31 every flying day this way. But I was on flat pavement. When on grass it is not as easy.
Both of these were completely manual; you had to run back and forth from the cockpit to adjust the vertical and lateral.
Tom 2G
Actually this is a misconception. If you find the wing is too far forward or aft simply remove it and adjust by moving the root and push/pull a bit of a zig zag to move the rigger wheels forward or aft as needed. If the height is wrong use the cradle
That is still a manual adjustment, and a fairly coarse one, and it is almost impossible on grass. Nonetheless, I did that frequently to get the lateral adjustment close. And in the case of the Rumpf dolly, that was the only way to do it (later ones hada lateral adjustment). And I also made great use of the fuselage jack to get the vertical adjustment right. I even put a fulcrum on my DG400 jack so I could tilt the fuselage while adjusting the height to get the correct dihedral angle with both wings.
It used to be that I rigged the glider most times that I flew. Now, I have full covers and leave the glider tied down, so I don't get as much practice as I used to.
The original poster did not say he was looking for a budget dolly or what kind of glider he was trying to rig. Usually, however, most people doing self-rigging are MG pilots since there are usually plenty of helpers around a towed operation.
Tom 2G
On Monday, 29 May 2023 at 04:13:22 UTC+1, 2G wrote:cradle jack to adjust the fuselage rather than the rigger. Is it as easy as a moterised rigger, no, but it's pretty quick with practice. I used to rig my 31 every flying day this way. But I was on flat pavement. When on grass it is not as easy.
On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 9:24:33 AM UTC-7, RR wrote:
Both of these were completely manual; you had to run back and forth from the cockpit to adjust the vertical and lateral.
Tom 2G
Actually this is a misconception. If you find the wing is too far forward or aft simply remove it and adjust by moving the root and push/pull a bit of a zig zag to move the rigger wheels forward or aft as needed. If the height is wrong use the
had a lateral adjustment). And I also made great use of the fuselage jack to get the vertical adjustment right. I even put a fulcrum on my DG400 jack so I could tilt the fuselage while adjusting the height to get the correct dihedral angle with bothThat is still a manual adjustment, and a fairly coarse one, and it is almost impossible on grass. Nonetheless, I did that frequently to get the lateral adjustment close. And in the case of the Rumpf dolly, that was the only way to do it (later ones
It used to be that I rigged the glider most times that I flew. Now, I have full covers and leave the glider tied down, so I don't get as much practice as I used to.
The original poster did not say he was looking for a budget dolly or what kind of glider he was trying to rig. Usually, however, most people doing self-rigging are MG pilots since there are usually plenty of helpers around a towed operation.
Tom 2GI use an IMI now and af you let the gas strut do the work it is OK....The best rigging aid I had was when I had a 17 year old daughter with me..helpers just appeared like magic .
On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 4:13:00 AM UTC-7, Jon May wrote:cradle jack to adjust the fuselage rather than the rigger. Is it as easy as a moterised rigger, no, but it's pretty quick with practice. I used to rig my 31 every flying day this way. But I was on flat pavement. When on grass it is not as easy.
On Monday, 29 May 2023 at 04:13:22 UTC+1, 2G wrote:
On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 9:24:33 AM UTC-7, RR wrote:
Both of these were completely manual; you had to run back and forth from the cockpit to adjust the vertical and lateral.
Tom 2G
Actually this is a misconception. If you find the wing is too far forward or aft simply remove it and adjust by moving the root and push/pull a bit of a zig zag to move the rigger wheels forward or aft as needed. If the height is wrong use the
had a lateral adjustment). And I also made great use of the fuselage jack to get the vertical adjustment right. I even put a fulcrum on my DG400 jack so I could tilt the fuselage while adjusting the height to get the correct dihedral angle with bothThat is still a manual adjustment, and a fairly coarse one, and it is almost impossible on grass. Nonetheless, I did that frequently to get the lateral adjustment close. And in the case of the Rumpf dolly, that was the only way to do it (later ones
It used to be that I rigged the glider most times that I flew. Now, I have full covers and leave the glider tied down, so I don't get as much practice as I used to.
The original poster did not say he was looking for a budget dolly or what kind of glider he was trying to rig. Usually, however, most people doing self-rigging are MG pilots since there are usually plenty of helpers around a towed operation.
The daughter part I understand, but there is no gas strut on the IMI.Tom 2GI use an IMI now and af you let the gas strut do the work it is OK....The best rigging aid I had was when I had a 17 year old daughter with me..helpers just appeared like magic .
Tom 2G
On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 4:13:00 AM UTC-7, Jon May wrote:cradle jack to adjust the fuselage rather than the rigger. Is it as easy as a moterised rigger, no, but it's pretty quick with practice. I used to rig my 31 every flying day this way. But I was on flat pavement. When on grass it is not as easy.
On Monday, 29 May 2023 at 04:13:22 UTC+1, 2G wrote:
On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 9:24:33 AM UTC-7, RR wrote:
Both of these were completely manual; you had to run back and forth from the cockpit to adjust the vertical and lateral.
Tom 2G
Actually this is a misconception. If you find the wing is too far forward or aft simply remove it and adjust by moving the root and push/pull a bit of a zig zag to move the rigger wheels forward or aft as needed. If the height is wrong use the
had a lateral adjustment). And I also made great use of the fuselage jack to get the vertical adjustment right. I even put a fulcrum on my DG400 jack so I could tilt the fuselage while adjusting the height to get the correct dihedral angle with bothThat is still a manual adjustment, and a fairly coarse one, and it is almost impossible on grass. Nonetheless, I did that frequently to get the lateral adjustment close. And in the case of the Rumpf dolly, that was the only way to do it (later ones
Tom - there is one in the non-motorized version of the IMI. I used the manual IMI that came with my two-seater and that strut was rated at 220#. Tough noogies if that strut fully extends but one weighs only 185#!It used to be that I rigged the glider most times that I flew. Now, I have full covers and leave the glider tied down, so I don't get as much practice as I used to.
The original poster did not say he was looking for a budget dolly or what kind of glider he was trying to rig. Usually, however, most people doing self-rigging are MG pilots since there are usually plenty of helpers around a towed operation.
The daughter part I understand, but there is no gas strut on the IMI.Tom 2GI use an IMI now and af you let the gas strut do the work it is OK....The best rigging aid I had was when I had a 17 year old daughter with me..helpers just appeared like magic .
Tom 2G
On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 7:59:08 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:cradle jack to adjust the fuselage rather than the rigger. Is it as easy as a moterised rigger, no, but it's pretty quick with practice. I used to rig my 31 every flying day this way. But I was on flat pavement. When on grass it is not as easy.
On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 4:13:00 AM UTC-7, Jon May wrote:
On Monday, 29 May 2023 at 04:13:22 UTC+1, 2G wrote:
On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 9:24:33 AM UTC-7, RR wrote:
Both of these were completely manual; you had to run back and forth from the cockpit to adjust the vertical and lateral.
Tom 2G
Actually this is a misconception. If you find the wing is too far forward or aft simply remove it and adjust by moving the root and push/pull a bit of a zig zag to move the rigger wheels forward or aft as needed. If the height is wrong use the
had a lateral adjustment). And I also made great use of the fuselage jack to get the vertical adjustment right. I even put a fulcrum on my DG400 jack so I could tilt the fuselage while adjusting the height to get the correct dihedral angle with bothThat is still a manual adjustment, and a fairly coarse one, and it is almost impossible on grass. Nonetheless, I did that frequently to get the lateral adjustment close. And in the case of the Rumpf dolly, that was the only way to do it (later ones
Tom - there is one in the non-motorized version of the IMI. I used the manual IMI that came with my two-seater and that strut was rated at 220#. Tough noogies if that strut fully extends but one weighs only 185#!The daughter part I understand, but there is no gas strut on the IMI.I use an IMI now and af you let the gas strut do the work it is OK....The best rigging aid I had was when I had a 17 year old daughter with me..helpers just appeared like magic .
It used to be that I rigged the glider most times that I flew. Now, I have full covers and leave the glider tied down, so I don't get as much practice as I used to.
The original poster did not say he was looking for a budget dolly or what kind of glider he was trying to rig. Usually, however, most people doing self-rigging are MG pilots since there are usually plenty of helpers around a towed operation.
Tom 2G
Tom 2G
I now have the IMI electric version and couldn't be happier with it since the full horizontal movement is exactly what's needed to engage the outer wing panels.
Uli
'AS'
Uli, drink more beer!
When I got my 1st self rigger a guy taught me how to set it up and how to use it.
1. Count the number of cranks on your fuse cradle you need to get the gear down and remember that.
2. When you De Rig your plane mark the heights on the vertical support strut with, say ,white paint, the heights you need to get the pins out easily.
3. Then you got a starting point to rig.
Crank up the fuse cradle to proper Ht
Crank up the self rigger to the proper Ht
With these 2 Hts pre set, the pins should be close for installation
I find If I need adjustment it is easiest for me to raise/ lower the cradle as I'm right there.
Don't have the gear down when installing or removing the wings, the fuse can tip over.
YMMV
Nick
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