• Re: Boeing's Starliner capsule just landed with no crew aboard. What's

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 9 14:00:06 2024
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    On 9/9/24 13:57, a425couple wrote:
    Some think Boeing will just give up on it!

    from
    https://www.space.com/boeing-starliner-next-iss-mission-nasa-plan

    Boeing's Starliner capsule just landed with no crew aboard. What's next
    for this astronaut taxi?
    News
    By Elizabeth Howell published 2 days ago
    It's too soon to tell when Starliner will fly again.

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    steve_foston
    It is sensible that NASA have more than 1 way for the USA to get there
    and back to the ISS so I wish Starliner well for the future. However is
    it sensible that the spacesuits for both vehicles are incompatible
    surely this needs sorting out - its like the air filters on A13 were a makeshift device allowed a square peg to go into a round hole surely we
    should have learnt something from this
    Reply
    Unclear Engineer
    Glad to see it made the return flight without any more problems.

    Hopefully, Boeing will stick with this project and make the capsule work reliably without having to "baby" the thrusters. Having tight limits on thruster use that are OK when everything else works as planned does not
    sound like a prudent policy, because there might not be enough margin to
    handle the thruster needs when something else is not going right.

    Considering that the capsule had thruster problems on its last 2 flights
    and NASA was unwilling to bet the crew's lives on the capsule for this
    reentry, it seems logical that Boeing is going to need to do another
    uncrewed flight to show that it has fixed the thruster problem
    sufficiently to warrant certifying it for crew.
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    trailrider
    If I understand correctly, one objective in creation of both crew and
    cargo spacecraft is reusability. Also, being able to check over major
    systems postflight is smart. How, then does Boeing justify a design like Starlink that discards a major portion of its RCS after a single flight?

    It is probably too late in the game for Boeing to do a redesign of
    Starlink, but perhaps some other company would be willing to come up
    with a spacecraft to back up Dragon, perhaps in conjunction with some commercial space station when ISS is deorbited. Also, there definitely
    should be compatability between space suits.
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    Unclear Engineer
    Trailrider,

    First, Boeing's capsule is "StarLiner" and this one was named "Calypso".
    " StarLink" is the SpaceX communication satellites.

    SpaceX's Dragon capsule also has a "service module" between the Falcon 9 booster and the Dragon capsule, which gets burned-up and not reused.
    When Sierra Space gets it DreamChaser capsule going, it will have a
    similar small service module that will not be reused.

    The huge SpaceX "StarShip" and its "SuperHeavy" first stage will be the
    first (nearly) totally reusable system, with both stages being able to
    reenter and be reused without an intermediate service module.

    The service modules for the current crop of capsules are designed to be
    the least expensive parts.
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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 10 19:16:17 2024
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    a425couple wrote on 10/9/24 6:57 am:
    Some think Boeing will just give up on it!

    from
    https://www.space.com/boeing-starliner-next-iss-mission-nasa-plan

    Boeing's Starliner capsule just landed with no crew aboard. What's next
    for this astronaut taxi?
    News
    By Elizabeth Howell published 2 days ago
    It's too soon to tell when Starliner will fly again.

     Comments (8)
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    black and white photo of a space capsule descending through the sky
    under three parachutes
    Boeing's Starliner capsule descends through Earth's atmosphere on Sept.
    7, 2024, heading for the touchdown that ended its Crew Flight Test
    mission. (Image credit: NASA)
    Boeing's Starliner capsule just returned to Earth without astronauts,
    marking the beginning of a new set of investigations by NASA.

    Starliner left the International Space Station (ISS) on Friday evening
    (Sept. 6), then aced a landing in New Mexico just after midnight on
    Saturday (Sept. 7). The touchdown brought an end to Crew Flight Test
    (CFT), Starliner's first-ever astronaut mission. But no astronauts came
    down with the capsule on Saturday; Starliner experienced problems with
    its reaction control system (RCS) thrusters shortly after CFT's June 5 liftoff, and NASA decided not to risk putting Williams and Wilmore
    aboard the capsule again.

    Hands up those who would volunteer to man the next Starliner flight to
    the ISS.

    Sure, I'd like to go .... but some certainty of returning would be real
    handy!! ;-P

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    Daniel

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  • From David Lesher@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 10 15:50:16 2024
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    Some think Boeing will just give up on it!
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    https://www.space.com/boeing-starliner-next-iss-mission-nasa-plan

    ...

    If they do quit, can we get the money we paid them for what they've
    not delivered?

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to David Lesher on Wed Sep 11 15:39:00 2024
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    On 9/10/24 08:50, David Lesher wrote:
    Some think Boeing will just give up on it!
    from
    https://www.space.com/boeing-starliner-next-iss-mission-nasa-plan
    ...

    If they do quit, can we get the money we paid them for what they've
    not delivered?

    Ahhhh,
    I am of a very strong opinion, that we need a
    2nd big plane manufacturer to succeed in this
    world.

    We would be very much degraded, if those wanting
    blood in return for mistakes (737Max, Starliner,
    etc.) got their wishes.

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