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    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 30 14:56:20 2023
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    from https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/29/world/six-exoplanets-resonance-scn/index.html

    Astronomers discover nearby six-planet solar system with ‘pristine configuration’
    Ashley Strickland
    By Ashley Strickland, CNN
    6 minute read
    Updated 7:35 PM EST, Wed November 29, 2023

    Tracing a link between two neighbour planet at regular time interval
    along their orbits, create a pattern unique to each couple. The six
    planets of the HD110067 system create together a mesmerising geometric
    pattern due to their resonance-chain.
    The orbits of the six planets revolving around a star called HD110067
    create a geometric pattern due to their resonance.
    Thibaut Roger/NCCR PlanetS
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    Astronomers have used two different exoplanet-detecting satellites to
    solve a cosmic mystery and reveal a rare family of six planets located
    about 100 light-years from Earth. The discovery could help scientists
    unlock the secrets of planet formation.

    The six exoplanets orbit a bright star similar to the sun named
    HD110067, which is located in the Coma Berenices constellation in the
    northern sky. Larger than Earth but smaller than Neptune, the planets
    are in a little-understood class called sub-Neptunes commonly found
    orbiting sunlike stars in the Milky Way. And the planets, labeled b
    through g, revolve around the star in a celestial dance known as orbital resonance.

    There are discernible patterns as the planets complete their orbits and
    exert gravitational forces on one another, according to a study
    published Wednesday in the journal Nature. For every six orbits
    completed by planet b, the closest planet to the star, the outermost
    planet g completes one.

    As planet c makes three revolutions around the star, planet d does two,
    and when planet e completes four orbits, planet f does three.

    This harmonic rhythm creates a resonant chain, with all six planets
    aligning every few orbits.

    What makes this planetary family an unusual find is that little has
    changed since the system formed more than 1 billion years ago, and the revelation could shed light on the evolution of planets and the origin
    of prevalent sub-Neptunes in our home galaxy.

    Detecting a mystery
    Researchers first took notice of the star system in 2020 when NASA’s Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite, or TESS, detected dips in the
    brightness of HD110067. A dip in starlight often suggests the presence
    of a planet that’s passing between its host star and an observing
    satellite as the planet travels along its orbital path. Detecting these
    dips in luminosity, known as the transit method, is one of the main
    strategies used by scientists to identify exoplanets via ground and
    space-based telescopes.

    Astronomers determined the orbital periods of two planets around the
    star from that 2020 data. Two years later, TESS observed the star again,
    and the evidence suggested different orbital periods for those planets.

    When the data sets didn’t add up, astronomer and lead study author
    Rafael Luque and some of his colleagues decided to take another look at
    the star using a different satellite — the European Space Agency’s CHaracterising ExOPlanet Satellite, or Cheops. While TESS is used to
    observe fractions of the night sky for short observations, Cheops
    observes one star at a time.

    Artist's impression of CHEOPS.
    This artist's illustration shows Cheops in orbit around Earth as it
    searches for exoplanets.
    ESA/ATG medialab
    “We went fishing for signals among all the potential periods that those planets could have,” said Luque, a postdoctoral scholar in the
    University of Chicago’s department of astronomy and astrophysics.

    The data collected by Cheops helped the team solve the “detective story” started by TESS, he said. Cheops was able to determine the presence of a
    third planet in the system, which was crucial to confirming the orbital
    periods of the other two planets, as well as their rhythmic resonance.

    As the team matched up the rest of the unexplained TESS data with the
    Cheops observations, they discovered the other three planets orbiting
    the star. Follow-up observations with ground-based telescopes confirmed
    the presence of the planets.

    The dedicated time Cheops spent observing the star helped astronomers
    iron out the mixed signals from the TESS data to determine how many
    planets were crossing in front of the star and the resonance of their
    orbits.

    “Cheops gave us this resonant configuration that allowed us to predict
    all the other periods. Without that detection from Cheops, it would have
    been impossible,” Luque said.

    The closest planet takes just over nine Earth days to complete an orbit
    around the star, and the most distant takes about 55 days. All of the
    planets have quicker revolutions around their star than Mercury, which
    takes 88 days to complete one lap around the sun.

    Given how close they are to HD110067, the planets likely have blistering average temperatures similar to Mercury and Venus, ranging between 332
    degrees Fahrenheit and 980 degrees Fahrenheit (167 degrees Celsius and
    527 degrees Celsius).

    Why planetary rhythm matters
    The formation of planetary systems, like our own solar system, can be a
    violent process. While astronomers believe that planets tend to
    initially form in resonance around stars, the gravitational influence of massive planets, a graze with a passing star or a collision with another celestial body can upset the harmonic balance.

    Most planetary systems are not in resonance, and those with multiple
    planets that have preserved their initial rhythmic orbits are rare,
    which is why astronomers want to study HD110067 and its planets as a
    “rare fossil” in detail, Luque said.

    This artist's concept shows what the exoplanet WASP-17 b could look like.

    WASP-17 b, also called Ditsö̀, is a hot gas giant that orbits its star
    at a distance of just 0.051 AU (about 4.75 million miles, or one-eighth
    the distance between Mercury and the Sun), completing one full circuit
    in about 3.7 Earth-days. The system lies within the Milky Way, about
    1,300 light-years from Earth, in the constellation Scorpius.

    With a volume more than seven times that of Jupiter and a mass less than one-half of Jupiter, WASP-17 b is an extremely puffy planet. Its short
    orbital period, large size, and thick, extended atmosphere make it ideal
    for observation using transmission spectroscopy, which involves
    measuring the effects of the planet's atmosphere on the starlight
    filtering through it.

    WASP-17 b's atmosphere is composed primarily of hydrogen and helium,
    along with small amounts of water vapor and hints of carbon dioxide and
    other molecules. Observations of 5- to 12-micron infrared light from
    Webb's MIRI (Mid-Infrared Instrument) show that WASP-17 b's atmosphere
    also contains clouds made of nanocrystals of quartz (SiO2).

    WASP-17 b is tidally locked and has a retrograde orbit. Its temperature
    ranges from about 1,000 kelvins (1,350 degrees F or 725 degrees C) on
    the cooler nightside to nearly 2,000 kelvins (3,150 degrees F or 1,725
    degrees C) on the side in permanent daylight.

    The star, WASP-17 (also called Diwö), is an F-type star: slightly
    larger, more massive, hotter, and whiter than the Sun.

    This artist's concept is based on new data gathered by MIRI as well as
    previous observations from other ground- and space-based telescopes,
    including NASA's Hubble and retired Spitzer space telescopes. Webb has
    not captured any images of the planet.
    Quartz crystals detected swirling in an exoplanet’s atmosphere
    “We think only about one percent of all systems stay in resonance,”
    Luque said in a statement. “It shows us the pristine configuration of a planetary system that has survived untouched.”

    The discovery is the second time Cheops has helped reveal a planetary
    system with orbital resonance. The first one, known as TOI-178, was
    announced in 2021.

    “As our science team puts it: Cheops is making outstanding discoveries
    sound ordinary. Out of only three known six-planet resonant systems,
    this is now the second one found by Cheops, and in only three years of operations,” said Maximilian Günther, ESA Cheops project scientist, in a statement.

    A perfect observation target
    The system can also be used to study how sub-Neptunes form, the study
    authors said.

    While sub-Neptunes are common in the Milky Way galaxy, they don’t exist
    in our own solar system. And there is little agreement among astronomers
    about how these planets form and what they’re made of — so an entire
    system consisting of sub-Neptunes could help scientists determine more
    about their origin, Luque said.

    Many exoplanets have been found orbiting dwarf stars that are much
    cooler and smaller than our sun, such as the famed TRAPPIST-1 system and
    its seven planets, announced in 2017. While the TRAPPIST-1 system also
    has a resonant chain, the faintness of the host star makes observations difficult.

    exoplanet K2-18 b illustration
    Planet in ‘habitable’ zone could have rare oceans and a possible sign of life, Webb data reveals
    But HD110067, which has 80% the mass of our sun, is the brightest known
    star with more than four planets in orbit, so observing the system is
    much easier.

    Initial detections of the mass of the planets suggest that some of them
    have puffy hydrogen-rich atmospheres, which makes them ideal targets of
    study for the James Webb Space Telescope. As starlight filters through
    the planets’ atmospheres, Webb can be used to determine the composition
    of each world.

    “The sub-Neptune planets of the HD110067 system appear to have low
    masses, suggesting they may be gas- or water-rich. Future observations,
    for example with the James Webb Space Telescope, of these planetary
    atmospheres could determine whether the planets have rocky or water-rich interior structures,” said study coauthor Jo Ann Egger, doctoral student
    in astrophysics at the University of Bern in Switzerla

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  • From Daniel65@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 1 19:38:59 2023
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    a425couple wrote on 1/12/23 9:56 am:
    from https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/29/world/six-exoplanets-resonance-scn/index.html


    Astronomers discover nearby six-planet solar system with ‘pristine configuration’
    Ashley Strickland
    By Ashley Strickland, CNN
     6 minute read
    Updated 7:35 PM EST, Wed November 29, 2023

    One day, someone will teach "Science Reporters" there is ONLY ONE Solar
    System .... and it has Eight Planets .... or Nine if you're a stick-in-the-mud!!
    --
    Daniel

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 1 11:41:57 2023
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.fan.heinlein

    On 12/1/23 00:38, Daniel65 wrote:
    a425couple wrote on 1/12/23 9:56 am:
    from
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/29/world/six-exoplanets-resonance-scn/index.html >>
    Astronomers discover nearby six-planet solar system with ‘pristine
    configuration’
    Ashley Strickland
    By Ashley Strickland, CNN
      6 minute read
    Updated 7:35 PM EST, Wed November 29, 2023

    One day, someone will teach "Science Reporters" there is ONLY ONE Solar System .... and it has Eight Planets .... or Nine if you're a stick-in-the-mud!!

    I disagree.

    Our solar system is made up of a star—the Sun—eight planets, 146 moons,
    a bunch of comets, asteroids and space rocks, ice, and several dwarf
    planets, such as Pluto. The eight planets are Mercury, Venus, Earth,
    Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. Mercury is closest to the Sun.
    Our Solar System - NASA Science

    But in our Galaxy, and even more in our universe, there are
    many more.

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  • From Daniel65@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Dec 2 20:18:51 2023
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.fan.heinlein

    Jim Wilkins wrote on 2/12/23 9:33 am:


    "a425couple"  wrote in message news:aGqaN.142044$BbXa.76118@fx16.iad...

    On 12/1/23 00:38, Daniel65 wrote:


    One day, someone will teach "Science Reporters" there is ONLY ONE
    Solar System .... and it has Eight Planets .... or Nine if you're a
    stick-in-the-mud!!

    I disagree.

    Our solar system is made up of a star—the Sun—eight planets, 146 moons,
    a bunch of comets, asteroids and space rocks, ice, and several dwarf
    planets, such as Pluto. The eight planets are Mercury, Venus, Earth,
    Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. Mercury is closest to the Sun. Our Solar System - NASA Science

    But in our Galaxy, and even more in our universe, there are
    many more.

    -------------------------------

    Sol (its Latin name) and Solar refer to our sun. Common usage may make
    lower case "solar" generic for another star and its planets.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna3719359

    The language is evolving to encompass new discoveries.

    Ah!! O.K. Latin ... so Romans. I guessed Greek! ;-(

    --
    Daniel

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  • From Daniel65@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 2 20:17:02 2023
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.fan.heinlein

    a425couple wrote on 2/12/23 6:41 am:
    On 12/1/23 00:38, Daniel65 wrote:
    a425couple wrote on 1/12/23 9:56 am:
    from
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/29/world/six-exoplanets-resonance-scn/index.html

    Astronomers discover nearby six-planet solar system with
    ‘pristine configuration’ Ashley Strickland By Ashley Strickland,
    CNN 6 minute read Updated 7:35 PM EST, Wed November 29, 2023

    One day, someone will teach "Science Reporters" there is ONLY ONE
    Solar System .... and it has Eight Planets .... or Nine if you're a
    stick-in-the-mud!!

    I disagree.

    Our solar system is made up of a star—the Sun—eight planets, 146
    moons, a bunch of comets, asteroids and space rocks, ice, and several
    dwarf planets, such as Pluto. The eight planets are Mercury, Venus,
    Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. Mercury is closest
    to the Sun. Our Solar System - NASA Science

    But in our Galaxy, and even more in our universe, there are many
    more.

    For sure, there are many Star systems in our Galaxy, many, many Star
    Systems.

    But, to the best of my knowledge, there is only ONE SOLAR SYSTEM, OURS,
    because the ancient Greeks (I think it was) named our star SOL and the
    system of stuff around SOL (which you list above) forms the SYSTEM
    around SOL i.e. the Solar System.

    Sure, the inhabitants of some other planetary body circling some other
    Stellar object may have named their Stellar Object 'Sol' (or their
    linguistic equivalent there of) but we don't know that .... YET!! ;-P

    So only ONE Solar System. A.T.T.
    --
    Daniel

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  • From Daniel65@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sun Dec 3 00:17:38 2023
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.fan.heinlein

    Jim Wilkins wrote on 2/12/23 11:42 pm:
    "Daniel65" wrote in message news:ukespp$2a8d9$2@dont-email.me...

    Jim Wilkins wrote on 2/12/23 9:33 am:


    "a425couple" wrote in message
    news:aGqaN.142044$BbXa.76118@fx16.iad...

    On 12/1/23 00:38, Daniel65 wrote:


    One day, someone will teach "Science Reporters" there is ONLY ONE
    Solar System .... and it has Eight Planets .... or Nine if
    you're a stick-in-the-mud!!

    I disagree.

    Our solar system is made up of a star—the Sun—eight planets, 146
    moons, a bunch of comets, asteroids and space rocks, ice, and
    several dwarf planets, such as Pluto. The eight planets are
    Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune.
    Mercury is closest to the Sun. Our Solar System - NASA Science

    But in our Galaxy, and even more in our universe, there are many
    more.

    -------------------------------

    Sol (its Latin name) and Solar refer to our sun. Common usage may
    make lower case "solar" generic for another star and its planets.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna3719359

    The language is evolving to encompass new discoveries.

    Ah!! O.K. Latin ... so Romans. I guessed Greek! ;-(

    -----------------------------
    Helios

    O.K., Smarty Pants!! ;-P
    --
    Daniel

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 2 10:32:42 2023
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.fan.heinlein

    On 12/2/23 01:17, Daniel65 wrote:
    a425couple wrote on 2/12/23 6:41 am:
    On 12/1/23 00:38, Daniel65 wrote:
    a425couple wrote on 1/12/23 9:56 am:
    from
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/29/world/six-exoplanets-resonance-scn/index.html

    Astronomers discover nearby six-planet solar system with
    ‘pristine configuration’ Ashley Strickland By Ashley Strickland,
    CNN 6 minute read Updated 7:35 PM EST, Wed November 29, 2023

    One day, someone will teach "Science Reporters" there is ONLY ONE
    Solar System .... and it has Eight Planets .... or Nine if you're a
    stick-in-the-mud!!

    I disagree.

    Our solar system is made up of a star—the Sun—eight planets, 146
    moons, a bunch of comets, asteroids and space rocks, ice, and several
    dwarf planets, such as Pluto. The eight planets are Mercury, Venus,
    Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. Mercury is closest
    to the Sun. Our Solar System - NASA Science

    But in our Galaxy, and even more in our universe, there are many
    more.

    For sure, there are many Star systems in our Galaxy, many, many Star
    Systems.

    But, to the best of my knowledge, there is only ONE SOLAR SYSTEM, OURS, because the ancient Greeks (I think it was) named our star SOL and the
    system of stuff around SOL (which you list above) forms the SYSTEM
    around SOL i.e. the Solar System.

    Sure, the inhabitants of some other planetary body circling some other Stellar object may have named their Stellar Object 'Sol' (or their
    linguistic equivalent there of) but we don't know that .... YET!! ;-P

    So only ONE Solar System. A.T.T.

    OK.
    Thanks to Daniel and Jim for informing me of correct names.

    from
    https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/other-solar-systems/en/

    How Many Solar Systems Are in Our Galaxy?
    The Short Answer:
    Our planetary system is the only one officially called “solar system,”
    but astronomers have discovered more than 3,200 other stars with planets orbiting them in our galaxy.
    Our solar system is just one specific planetary system—a star with
    planets orbiting around it. Our planetary system is the only one
    officially called “solar system,” but astronomers have discovered more
    than 3,200 other stars with planets orbiting them in our galaxy. That’s
    just how many we’ve found so far. There are likely to be many more
    planetary systems out there waiting to be discovered!

    Our Sun is just one of about 200 billion stars in our galaxy. That gives scientists plenty of places to hunt for exoplanets, or planets outside
    our solar system. But our capabilities have only recently progressed to
    the point where astronomers can actually find such planets.

    ---------------------and also -----

    Exoplanets: Everything you need to know about the worlds ...
    Space.com
    https://www.space.com › ... › Science & Astronomy
    Nov 14, 2023 — Exoplanets are planets that orbit stars other than the
    sun and thus exist outside the solar system. The word "exoplanet"
    derives from the ...
    ‎Types of exoplanets · ‎How do astronomers discover... · ‎Major exoplanet discoveries

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