• Bill Clinton admits 'terrible' mistake in forcing Ukraine to give up nu

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    I'm to blame for Russia's invasion: Bill Clinton admits 'terrible'
    mistake in forcing Ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons in 1994 - and
    Putin would not have attacked if they still had them
    The former president suggested Kyiv should have kept its atomic deterrent Speaking to Ireland's RTE, Clinton said Putin had long planned to invade Ukraine
    He also took a swipe at Republicans seeking to end aid to the war-torn
    country
    By JAMES FRANEY, SENIOR U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

    PUBLISHED: 12:41 EDT, 5 April 2023 | UPDATED: 13:33 EDT, 5 April 2023

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    Bill Clinton has confessed that he made a 'terrible' mistake in forcing
    Ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons in 1994.

    The disgraced former president, whose term in office was marred by a sex scandal with a White House intern, demanded Kyiv surrender its atomic
    arms in a deal with Moscow.

    But in a rare show of humility, Clinton admitted Russia's illegal
    invasion would never have happened if the Ukrainians had been allowed to
    keep their nuclear deterrent.

    The 42nd president of the United States now admits he was wrong to
    insist that a once-again independent Ukraine should surrender its
    Soviet-era stockpiles
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    The 42nd president of the United States now admits he was wrong to
    insist that a once-again independent Ukraine should surrender its
    Soviet-era stockpiles

    'I feel terrible about it because Ukraine is a very important country
    and I feel a personal stake because I got them to agree to give up their nuclear weapons,' he told Irish network RTE.

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    'None of them believe that Russia would have pulled this stunt if
    Ukraine still had their weapons,' the 76-year-old added.

    After the collapse of the Soviet Union, a once-again independent Ukraine possessed the third-largest atomic arsenal in the world with some 1,900
    nuclear warheads.

    The international agreement to give them up was struck in January 1994
    with then Russian leader Boris Yeltsin.

    The deal also included commitments from the Kremlin to respect Ukrainian independence.

    But those pledges were first ignored by Vladimir Putin when he seized
    Crimea and the eastern Donbas region in 2014.

    Clinton said that Putin never planned to stick to the deal agreed with
    Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kravchuk, Ukraine's president at the time, in
    Moscow
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    Clinton said that Putin never planned to stick to the deal agreed with
    Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kravchuk, Ukraine's president at the time, in
    Moscow

    MThe Russian tyrant dismissed them yet again when he launched his
    full-scale invasion of Ukraine last year.

    'I knew that President Putin did not support the agreement President
    Yeltsin made never to interfere with Ukraine's territorial boundaries -
    an agreement he made because he wanted Ukraine to give up their nuclear weapons,' Clinton said.

    'They were afraid to give them up because they thought that's the only
    thing that protected them from an expansionist Russia,' he added.

    And in a thinly-veiled swipe at would-be Republican nominee Donald
    Trump, the two-term ex-commander-in-chief said taxpayers should continue
    to back Kyiv's armed forces.

    Clinton, seen here at a White House event with Joe Biden in February,
    told Ireland's RTE network that Washington should stand by Ukraine and
    its bid to expel Russian invaders from its territory
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    Clinton, seen here at a White House event with Joe Biden in February,
    told Ireland's RTE network that Washington should stand by Ukraine and
    its bid to expel Russian invaders from its territory

    Joe Biden's administration has stumped up more than $77 billion in
    financial aid to the war-torn country, according to German think-tank
    the Kiel Institute for the World Economy

    But that has angered some Republican lawmakers who say that those sums
    would be better spent at home fighting crime and illegal immigration.

    'I think what Putin did was very wrong, and I believe Europe and the
    United States should continue to support Ukraine,' Clinton said.

    'There may come a time when the Ukrainian government believes that they
    can think of a peace agreement they could live with, but I don't think
    the rest of us should cut and run on them,' he added.

    Earlier this year, Trump said he had an 'easy negotiation' strategy to
    end the conflict within 24 hours but refused to be drawn on the details
    of his peace plan
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    Trump has hinted that he would force Ukraine to the negotiating table if
    the war is not over by the end of next year's presidential election.

    'If it's not solved, I will have it solved in 24 hours with (President Volodymyr) Zelensky and with Putin, and there's a very easy negotiation
    to take place,' he told Fox News last month.

    The real estate mogul, who was charged with 34 felonies in Manhattan on Tuesday, has also said supporting Ukraine is not a vital US strategic
    interest.

    'That is why Europe should be paying far more than we are, or equal,' he
    said.

    DailyMail.com has approached the Ukrainian government for comment.

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  • From DAN@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 11 20:36:44 2023
    Indeed. Leftist idealists are not idiots, they are people with high values.

    Jimmy Carter was even more stoopid than Slick-willie, decades earlier.
    But did the voters-with-high-values learn? Nooo. The have high values.

    a425couple wrote:

    from >https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11942467/Bill-Clinton-admits-terrible-mistake-forcing-Ukraine-nuclear-weapons.html

    I'm to blame for Russia's invasion: Bill Clinton admits 'terrible'
    mistake in forcing Ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons in 1994 - and
    Putin would not have attacked if they still had them
    The former president suggested Kyiv should have kept its atomic deterrent >Speaking to Ireland's RTE, Clinton said Putin had long planned to invade >Ukraine
    He also took a swipe at Republicans seeking to end aid to the war-torn >country
    By JAMES FRANEY, SENIOR U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

    PUBLISHED: 12:41 EDT, 5 April 2023 | UPDATED: 13:33 EDT, 5 April 2023

    View comments
    Bill Clinton has confessed that he made a 'terrible' mistake in forcing >Ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons in 1994.

    The disgraced former president, whose term in office was marred by a sex >scandal with a White House intern, demanded Kyiv surrender its atomic
    arms in a deal with Moscow.

    But in a rare show of humility, Clinton admitted Russia's illegal
    invasion would never have happened if the Ukrainians had been allowed to
    keep their nuclear deterrent.

    The 42nd president of the United States now admits he was wrong to
    insist that a once-again independent Ukraine should surrender its
    Soviet-era stockpiles
    +4
    View gallery
    The 42nd president of the United States now admits he was wrong to
    insist that a once-again independent Ukraine should surrender its
    Soviet-era stockpiles

    'I feel terrible about it because Ukraine is a very important country
    and I feel a personal stake because I got them to agree to give up their >nuclear weapons,' he told Irish network RTE.

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    'None of them believe that Russia would have pulled this stunt if
    Ukraine still had their weapons,' the 76-year-old added.

    After the collapse of the Soviet Union, a once-again independent Ukraine >possessed the third-largest atomic arsenal in the world with some 1,900 >nuclear warheads.

    The international agreement to give them up was struck in January 1994
    with then Russian leader Boris Yeltsin.

    The deal also included commitments from the Kremlin to respect Ukrainian >independence.

    But those pledges were first ignored by Vladimir Putin when he seized
    Crimea and the eastern Donbas region in 2014.

    Clinton said that Putin never planned to stick to the deal agreed with
    Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kravchuk, Ukraine's president at the time, in
    Moscow
    +4
    View gallery
    Clinton said that Putin never planned to stick to the deal agreed with
    Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kravchuk, Ukraine's president at the time, in
    Moscow

    MThe Russian tyrant dismissed them yet again when he launched his
    full-scale invasion of Ukraine last year.

    'I knew that President Putin did not support the agreement President
    Yeltsin made never to interfere with Ukraine's territorial boundaries -
    an agreement he made because he wanted Ukraine to give up their nuclear >weapons,' Clinton said.

    'They were afraid to give them up because they thought that's the only
    thing that protected them from an expansionist Russia,' he added.

    And in a thinly-veiled swipe at would-be Republican nominee Donald
    Trump, the two-term ex-commander-in-chief said taxpayers should continue
    to back Kyiv's armed forces.

    Clinton, seen here at a White House event with Joe Biden in February,
    told Ireland's RTE network that Washington should stand by Ukraine and
    its bid to expel Russian invaders from its territory
    +4
    View gallery
    Clinton, seen here at a White House event with Joe Biden in February,
    told Ireland's RTE network that Washington should stand by Ukraine and
    its bid to expel Russian invaders from its territory

    Joe Biden's administration has stumped up more than $77 billion in
    financial aid to the war-torn country, according to German think-tank
    the Kiel Institute for the World Economy

    But that has angered some Republican lawmakers who say that those sums
    would be better spent at home fighting crime and illegal immigration.

    'I think what Putin did was very wrong, and I believe Europe and the
    United States should continue to support Ukraine,' Clinton said.

    'There may come a time when the Ukrainian government believes that they
    can think of a peace agreement they could live with, but I don't think
    the rest of us should cut and run on them,' he added.

    Earlier this year, Trump said he had an 'easy negotiation' strategy to
    end the conflict within 24 hours but refused to be drawn on the details
    of his peace plan
    +4
    View gallery

    Trump has hinted that he would force Ukraine to the negotiating table if
    the war is not over by the end of next year's presidential election.

    'If it's not solved, I will have it solved in 24 hours with (President >Volodymyr) Zelensky and with Putin, and there's a very easy negotiation
    to take place,' he told Fox News last month.

    The real estate mogul, who was charged with 34 felonies in Manhattan on >Tuesday, has also said supporting Ukraine is not a vital US strategic >interest.

    'That is why Europe should be paying far more than we are, or equal,' he >said.

    DailyMail.com has approached the Ukrainian government for comment.

    Share or comment on this article: Bill Clinton admits 'terrible' mistake
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