Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:35:35 AM UTC-7, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
If the weekend doesn't put a lot more money in the casino vaults it won''t last many years.
On 9/26/2023 11:52 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:35:35 AM UTC-7, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
If the weekend doesn't put a lot more money in the casino vaults it
won''t last many years.
If it does, it will be via online betting, not casino floor betting,
with most event-related customers outdoors watching the 'spectacle'.
On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
I think you're very wrong about that.
You... ...really don't think things through, do you?
So you have people who are IN Las Vegas for at LEAST some of Friday, ALL
of Saturday and ALL of Sunday...
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:40:05 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
So you have people who are IN Las Vegas for at LEAST some of Friday, ALL of Saturday and ALL of Sunday...
your all caps are gay
On 2023-09-26 14:24, geoff wrote:
On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will
be long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
I think you're very wrong about that.
On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
wrote:
On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit
below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
As usual, Alan is spouting nonsense
And the crowd in Vegas is a crowd
The situation wasn't the same as it is this year.
And the crowd in Vegas is a crowd that wants to gamble and they want to gamble on the WINNER.
On 2023-09-28 08:43, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
wrote:
On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be >>>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit
below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
As usual, Alan is spouting nonsense
The situation wasn't the same as it is this year.
The level of dominance of the Red Bull is much greater.
And the crowd in Vegas is a crowd that wants to gamble and they want to gamble on the WINNER.
On 29/09/2023 1:38 pm, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-28 08:43, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
wrote:
On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be >>>>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'. >>>> They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit
below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
As usual, Alan is spouting nonsense
The situation wasn't the same as it is this year.
The level of dominance of the Red Bull is much greater.
And the crowd in Vegas is a crowd that wants to gamble and they want
to gamble on the WINNER.
It isn't compulsory to gamble in Vegas. Maybe they just want to watch racing....
No... ...it's not compulsory...
...and yet that is STILL why most people come.
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 9:23:09 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
No... ...it's not compulsory...
...and yet that is STILL why most people come.
fuck off, clown act
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
wrote:
On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit
below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
wrote:
On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be >>>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'. >>>They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit
below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
You're invoking /post hoc ergo propter hoc/.
Phil
On 2023-09-28 08:43, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
wrote:
On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be >>>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit
below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
As usual, Alan is spouting nonsense
The situation wasn't the same as it is this year.
The level of dominance of the Red Bull is much greater.
And the crowd in Vegas is a crowd that wants to gamble and they want to >gamble on the WINNER.
On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 17:38:37 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-28 08:43, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
wrote:
On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be >>>>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'. >>>> They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit
below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
As usual, Alan is spouting nonsense
The situation wasn't the same as it is this year.
The title last year was decided in race 18, this year it was decided
in race 16. The USA race last year was one race after the title was
decided, this year it's two races after the title was decided. Do you seriously want to make that out something in those differences as a significant factor in attendance?
On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 00:19:58 +0300, Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
wrote:
Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
wrote:
On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be >>>>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'. >>>> They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit
below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
You're invoking /post hoc ergo propter hoc/.
It's actually Alan who is falling for that fallacy. I'm showing that
history shows that there is no reason to believe that Y following X
means it was caused by X.
On 2023-10-02 08:34, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 00:19:58 +0300, Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
wrote:
Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
wrote:
On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be >>>>>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'. >>>>> They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit >>>> below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
You're invoking /post hoc ergo propter hoc/.
It's actually Alan who is falling for that fallacy. I'm showing that
history shows that there is no reason to believe that Y following X
means it was caused by X.
In what way did I "fall" for that, Martin?
Please: be expansive.
:-)
On 2023-10-02 08:32, Martin Harran wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 17:38:37 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-28 08:43, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
wrote:
On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be >>>>>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'. >>>>> They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit >>>> below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
As usual, Alan is spouting nonsense
The situation wasn't the same as it is this year.
The title last year was decided in race 18, this year it was decided
in race 16. The USA race last year was one race after the title was
decided, this year it's two races after the title was decided. Do you
seriously want to make that out something in those differences as a
significant factor in attendance?
But last year, the level of dominance was not as great.
At the end of
the season, Verstappen finished 146 points ahead of Leclerc. This
season, Verstappen is ALREADY 177 points ahead of second place Perez.
Furthermore, being ONE race after a closer title was decided means that
more people will have made their plans, based on maybe the title NOT
having been decided.
This year, the title is an obvious forgone conclusion.
Then factor in that Las Vegas is about gambling.
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:12:14 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-02 08:34, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 00:19:58 +0300, Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
wrote:
Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> >>>>> wrote:
On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be >>>>>>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'. >>>>>> They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit >>>>> below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly >>>>> lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
You're invoking /post hoc ergo propter hoc/.
It's actually Alan who is falling for that fallacy. I'm showing that
history shows that there is no reason to believe that Y following X
means it was caused by X.
In what way did I "fall" for that, Martin?
Please: be expansive.
You claimed that the poor take up in tickets for USA was due to the
preceding event of the title being decided two races earlier. Do I
need to be any more expansive?
On 2023-10-02 12:30, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:12:14 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-02 08:34, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 00:19:58 +0300, Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
wrote:
Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> >>>>>> wrote:
On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be >>>>>>>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'. >>>>>>> They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The >>>>>> race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit >>>>>> below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly >>>>>> lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
You're invoking /post hoc ergo propter hoc/.
It's actually Alan who is falling for that fallacy. I'm showing that
history shows that there is no reason to believe that Y following X
means it was caused by X.
In what way did I "fall" for that, Martin?
Please: be expansive.
You claimed that the poor take up in tickets for USA was due to the
preceding event of the title being decided two races earlier. Do I
need to be any more expansive?
Please.
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 12:35:31 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-02 12:30, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:12:14 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-02 08:34, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 00:19:58 +0300, Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> >>>>> wrote:
Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'. >>>>>>>> They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The >>>>>>> race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year >>>>>>> surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit >>>>>>> below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly >>>>>>> lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
You're invoking /post hoc ergo propter hoc/.
It's actually Alan who is falling for that fallacy. I'm showing that >>>>> history shows that there is no reason to believe that Y following X
means it was caused by X.
In what way did I "fall" for that, Martin?
Please: be expansive.
You claimed that the poor take up in tickets for USA was due to the
preceding event of the title being decided two races earlier. Do I
need to be any more expansive?
Please.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy:
(X,Y)=>(X=>Y)
where X is WDC title decided and Y is fall in ticket prices
I trust that helps. If not, then I suggest:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Logic-Dummies-Mark-Zegarelli/dp/0471799416/ref=sr_1_1
On 2023-10-02 13:24, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 12:35:31 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-02 12:30, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:12:14 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-02 08:34, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 00:19:58 +0300, Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> >>>>>> wrote:
Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the >>>>>>>> following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The >>>>>>>> race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year >>>>>>>> surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit >>>>>>>> below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly >>>>>>>> lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
You're invoking /post hoc ergo propter hoc/.
It's actually Alan who is falling for that fallacy. I'm showing that >>>>>> history shows that there is no reason to believe that Y following X >>>>>> means it was caused by X.
In what way did I "fall" for that, Martin?
Please: be expansive.
You claimed that the poor take up in tickets for USA was due to the
preceding event of the title being decided two races earlier. Do I
need to be any more expansive?
Please.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy:
(X,Y)=>(X=>Y)
where X is WDC title decided and Y is fall in ticket prices
I trust that helps. If not, then I suggest:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Logic-Dummies-Mark-Zegarelli/dp/0471799416/ref=sr_1_1
Hmmmmmm...yes. I knew all that.
Now tell me:
Do you think there is no causal relationship at all between certainty of
the outcome and interest in attending a sporting event?
Yes or no.
In article <uf56ae$3u65k$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
And the crowd in Vegas is a crowd that wants to gamble and they want to
gamble on the WINNER.
You appear to be under some sort of misunderstanding here.
F1 is not in Las Vegas so that punters can gamble on the result.
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 12:35:31 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:<snipped>
On 2023-10-02 12:30, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:12:14 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Please: be expansive.
You claimed that the poor take up in tickets for USA was due to the
preceding event of the title being decided two races earlier. Do I
need to be any more expansive?
Please.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy:
(X,Y)=>(X=>Y)
where X is WDC title decided and Y is fall in ticket prices
I trust that helps. If not, then I suggest:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Logic-Dummies-Mark-Zegarelli/dp/0471799416/ref=sr_1_1
And the crowd in Vegas is a crowd that wants to gamble and they want to gamble on the WINNER.
F1 is not in Las Vegas so that punters can gamble on the result.
Why F1 is in Las Vegas has nothing to do with the sort of people who
want to VISIT Las Vegas.
On 3/10/2023 9:24 am, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 12:35:31 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:<snipped>
On 2023-10-02 12:30, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:12:14 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Please: be expansive.
You claimed that the poor take up in tickets for USA was due to the
preceding event of the title being decided two races earlier. Do I
need to be any more expansive?
Please.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy:
(X,Y)=>(X=>Y)
where X is WDC title decided and Y is fall in ticket prices
I trust that helps. If not, then I suggest:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Logic-Dummies-Mark-Zegarelli/dp/0471799416/ref=sr_1_1
Please don't encourage the trolls.
This one claims it's expertise is due to driving Formula Ford but as you
see it will engage extensively on any subject as long as someone is
replying (and it will even prompt replies).
This is the troll abusing the 'educators /need/ to educate' thing.
In article <uffepb$34r5o$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
F1 is not in Las Vegas so that punters can gamble on the result.
Why F1 is in Las Vegas has nothing to do with the sort of people who
want to VISIT Las Vegas.
Is that a question or a statement?
If it is a statement, it is correct.
If it is a question then F1 is there to attract people who otherwise
would not normally want to visit Las Vegas.
Like U2, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, et al. They are there to draw in the
people that gambling alone can't. Once there, they may wish to see what
other attractions Las Vegas has to offer. (There is only one, really)
In article <uffepb$34r5o$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
F1 is not in Las Vegas so that punters can gamble on the result.
Why F1 is in Las Vegas has nothing to do with the sort of people who
want to VISIT Las Vegas.
Is that a question or a statement?
If it is a statement, it is correct.
If it is a question then F1 is there to attract people who otherwise
would not normally want to visit Las Vegas.
Like U2, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, et al. They are there to draw in the
people that gambling alone can't. Once there, they may wish to see what
other attractions Las Vegas has to offer. (There is only one, really)
Alan LeHun <try@reply.to> wrote:
In article <uffepb$34r5o$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
F1 is not in Las Vegas so that punters can gamble on the result.
Why F1 is in Las Vegas has nothing to do with the sort of people who
want to VISIT Las Vegas.
Is that a question or a statement?
If it is a statement, it is correct.
If it is a question then F1 is there to attract people who otherwise
would not normally want to visit Las Vegas.
Like U2, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, et al. They are there to draw in the
people that gambling alone can't. Once there, they may wish to see what
other attractions Las Vegas has to offer. (There is only one, really)
Wonderful hotels, superb entertainment (including Cirque du Soleil) and
some of the best restaurants
In America. I’ve always had a great time in Vegas without gambling a cent.
Please: be expansive.
I knew all that.
Now tell me:
Yes or no.
Please don't encourage the trolls.
Folks, this is obvious:
It's not hard.
A statement of course.
Exactly.
You, sir, are in the minority.
In article <uffepb$34r5o$2...@dont-email.me>, nuh...@nope.com says...
F1 is not in Las Vegas so that punters can gamble on the result.
Why F1 is in Las Vegas has nothing to do with the sort of people who
want to VISIT Las Vegas.
Is that a question or a statement?
If it is a statement, it is correct.
If it is a question then F1 is there to attract people who otherwise
would not normally want to visit Las Vegas.
Like U2, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, et al. They are there to draw in the
people that gambling alone can't. Once there, they may wish to see what other attractions Las Vegas has to offer. (There is only one, really)
--
Alan LeHun
On 3/10/2023 9:24 am, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 12:35:31 -0700, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-02 12:30, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:12:14 -0700, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote: <snipped>
Please: be expansive.
You claimed that the poor take up in tickets for USA was due to the
preceding event of the title being decided two races earlier. Do I
need to be any more expansive?
Please.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy:
(X,Y)=>(X=>Y)
where X is WDC title decided and Y is fall in ticket prices
I trust that helps. If not, then I suggest:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Logic-Dummies-Mark-Zegarelli/dp/0471799416/ref=sr_1_1Please don't encourage the trolls.
This one claims it's expertise is due to driving Formula Ford but as you see it will engage
extensively on any subject as long as someone is replying (and it will even prompt replies).
This is the troll abusing the 'educators /need/ to educate' thing.
On 2023-10-02 15:14, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 3/10/2023 9:24 am, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 12:35:31 -0700, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:<snipped>
On 2023-10-02 12:30, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:12:14 -0700, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
Please: be expansive.
You claimed that the poor take up in tickets for USA was due to the >>>> preceding event of the title being decided two races earlier. Do I
need to be any more expansive?
Please.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy:
(X,Y)=>(X=>Y)
where X is WDC title decided and Y is fall in ticket prices
I trust that helps. If not, then I suggest:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Logic-Dummies-Mark-Zegarelli/dp/0471799416/ref=sr_1_1
Please don't encourage the trolls.
This one claims it's expertise is due to driving Formula Ford but as you see it will engage extensively on any subject as long as someone is replying (and it will even prompt replies).
This is the troll abusing the 'educators /need/ to educate' thing.LOL!
And your expertise is human psychology?
Folks, this is obvious:
With lots of time to see that they would be watching a race won by Verstappen AFTER he's won the WDC...
...in a town where he people who are likely to want to go there, are predisposed to want to gamble on outcomes...
...of COURSE demand is going to fall in the face of those facts.
It's not hard.
Does it never occur to you that by moaning about people feeding the trolls, you are simply adding to what you regard as feed?
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 11:14:22 PM UTC+1, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 3/10/2023 9:24 am, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 12:35:31 -0700, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:<snipped>
On 2023-10-02 12:30, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:12:14 -0700, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
Please don't encourage the trolls.Please: be expansive.
You claimed that the poor take up in tickets for USA was due to the
preceding event of the title being decided two races earlier. Do I
need to be any more expansive?
Please.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy:
(X,Y)=>(X=>Y)
where X is WDC title decided and Y is fall in ticket prices
I trust that helps. If not, then I suggest:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Logic-Dummies-Mark-Zegarelli/dp/0471799416/ref=sr_1_1
This one claims it's expertise is due to driving Formula Ford but as you see it will engage
extensively on any subject as long as someone is replying (and it will even prompt replies).
This is the troll abusing the 'educators /need/ to educate' thing.
Does it never occur to you that by moaning about people feeding the trolls, you are simply adding to what you regard as feed?
Alan LeHun <try@reply.to> wrote:
In article <uffepb$34r5o$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
F1 is not in Las Vegas so that punters can gamble on the result.
Why F1 is in Las Vegas has nothing to do with the sort of people who
want to VISIT Las Vegas.
Is that a question or a statement?
If it is a statement, it is correct.
If it is a question then F1 is there to attract people who otherwise
would not normally want to visit Las Vegas.
Like U2, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, et al. They are there to draw in the
people that gambling alone can't. Once there, they may wish to see what
other attractions Las Vegas has to offer. (There is only one, really)
Wonderful hotels, superb entertainment (including Cirque du Soleil) and
some of the best restaurants
In America. I’ve always had a great time in Vegas without gambling a cent.
Not even a quicky marriage or divorce ?
Not even a quicky marriage or divorce ?
On 4/10/2023 4:27 am, Martin Harran wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 11:14:22 PM UTC+1, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 3/10/2023 9:24 am, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 12:35:31 -0700, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:<snipped>
On 2023-10-02 12:30, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:12:14 -0700, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
Please don't encourage the trolls.Please: be expansive.
You claimed that the poor take up in tickets for USA was due to the >>>>>> preceding event of the title being decided two races earlier. Do I >>>>>> need to be any more expansive?
Please.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy:
(X,Y)=>(X=>Y)
where X is WDC title decided and Y is fall in ticket prices
I trust that helps. If not, then I suggest:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Logic-Dummies-Mark-Zegarelli/dp/0471799416/ref=sr_1_1
This one claims it's expertise is due to driving Formula Ford but as
you see it will engage
extensively on any subject as long as someone is replying (and it
will even prompt replies).
This is the troll abusing the 'educators /need/ to educate' thing.
Does it never occur to you that by moaning about people feeding the
trolls, you are simply adding to what you regard as feed?
Of course, I'm not obtuse. I'd hoped that a gentle reminder would nudge
you toward starving the troll of the attention it craves. However I see
now that it's not the only one who likes circular arguments (circle
jerks) in public.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 12:03:57 AM UTC+1, Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <uffepb$34r5o$2...@dont-email.me>, nuh...@nope.com says...
Is that a question or a statement?F1 is not in Las Vegas so that punters can gamble on the result.
Why F1 is in Las Vegas has nothing to do with the sort of people who
want to VISIT Las Vegas.
If it is a statement, it is correct.
If it is a question then F1 is there to attract people who otherwise
would not normally want to visit Las Vegas.
Like U2, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, et al. They are there to draw in the
people that gambling alone can't. Once there, they may wish to see what
other attractions Las Vegas has to offer. (There is only one, really)
--
Alan LeHun
I would say it’s pretty sure bet (pun intended) that the casinos will make a lot more out of those people playing traditional gambling games in the casinos rather than them betting on F1.
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 11:14:22 PM UTC+1, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 3/10/2023 9:24 am, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 12:35:31 -0700, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:<snipped>
On 2023-10-02 12:30, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:12:14 -0700, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
Please don't encourage the trolls.Please: be expansive.
You claimed that the poor take up in tickets for USA was due to the
preceding event of the title being decided two races earlier. Do I
need to be any more expansive?
Please.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy:
(X,Y)=>(X=>Y)
where X is WDC title decided and Y is fall in ticket prices
I trust that helps. If not, then I suggest:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Logic-Dummies-Mark-Zegarelli/dp/0471799416/ref=sr_1_1
This one claims it's expertise is due to driving Formula Ford but as you see it will engage
extensively on any subject as long as someone is replying (and it will even prompt replies).
This is the troll abusing the 'educators /need/ to educate' thing.
Does it never occur to you that by moaning about people feeding the trolls, you are simply adding to what you regard as feed?
I'm sorry but that's quite obvious.
At least I'm civil with those who are civil to me.
Pity you can't say as much of yourself, isn't it?
Does it never occur to you that I don't care in the least about such moaning?
Perhaps the fact that I basically never respond to it should be a clue?
On 2023-10-03 08:26, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 12:03:57?AM UTC+1, Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <uffepb$34r5o$2...@dont-email.me>, nuh...@nope.com says...
Is that a question or a statement?F1 is not in Las Vegas so that punters can gamble on the result.
Why F1 is in Las Vegas has nothing to do with the sort of people who
want to VISIT Las Vegas.
If it is a statement, it is correct.
If it is a question then F1 is there to attract people who otherwise
would not normally want to visit Las Vegas.
Like U2, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, et al. They are there to draw in the
people that gambling alone can't. Once there, they may wish to see what
other attractions Las Vegas has to offer. (There is only one, really)
--
Alan LeHun
I would say it's pretty sure bet (pun intended) that the casinos will make a lot more out of those people playing traditional gambling games in the casinos rather than them betting on F1.
But the idea was to get more gamblers there in the first place.
A race with an (almost) forgone conclusion and an (almost certainly)
decided championship is less of a draw.
I'm sorry but that's quite obvious.
You really need to be this idea ....
On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 12:31:22 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-03 08:26, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 12:03:57?AM UTC+1, Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <uffepb$34r5o$2...@dont-email.me>, nuh...@nope.com says... >>>>>> F1 is not in Las Vegas so that punters can gamble on the result.
Is that a question or a statement?
Why F1 is in Las Vegas has nothing to do with the sort of people who >>>>> want to VISIT Las Vegas.
If it is a statement, it is correct.
If it is a question then F1 is there to attract people who otherwise
would not normally want to visit Las Vegas.
Like U2, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, et al. They are there to draw in the
people that gambling alone can't. Once there, they may wish to see what >>>> other attractions Las Vegas has to offer. (There is only one, really)
--
Alan LeHun
I would say it's pretty sure bet (pun intended) that the casinos will make a lot more out of those people playing traditional gambling games in the casinos rather than them betting on F1.
But the idea was to get more gamblers there in the first place.
A race with an (almost) forgone conclusion and an (almost certainly)
decided championship is less of a draw.
But only in Las Vegas according to you.
I'm sorry but that's quite obvious.
You really need to be this idea that something simply seeming obvious
to you makes it true; people might get the idea that you have an over-inflated self-opinion!
You think that the Kentucky Derby would be as well attended if everyone
knew that a particular horse was almost certain to win?
Sure, there are all kinds of side bets and prop bets, etc. but sports gambling is centred on picking the WINNERS.
You don't think its obvious that in a city built to cater to gamblers,
an event where the winner is already known to almost a certainty isn't
going to affect that number of gamblers who want to attend?
You think that the Kentucky Derby would be as well attended if everyone
knew that a particular horse was almost certain to win?
Sure, there are all kinds of side bets and prop bets, etc. but sports gambling is centred on picking the WINNERS.
You think that the Kentucky Derby would be as well attended if everyone
knew that a particular horse was almost certain to win?
Sure, there are all kinds of side bets and prop bets, etc. but sports gambling is centred on picking the WINNERS.
On 2023-10-05 00:55, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 12:31:22 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-03 08:26, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 12:03:57?AM UTC+1, Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <uffepb$34r5o$2...@dont-email.me>, nuh...@nope.com says... >>>>>>> F1 is not in Las Vegas so that punters can gamble on the result.
Is that a question or a statement?
Why F1 is in Las Vegas has nothing to do with the sort of people who >>>>>> want to VISIT Las Vegas.
If it is a statement, it is correct.
If it is a question then F1 is there to attract people who otherwise >>>>> would not normally want to visit Las Vegas.
Like U2, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, et al. They are there to draw in the >>>>> people that gambling alone can't. Once there, they may wish to see what >>>>> other attractions Las Vegas has to offer. (There is only one, really) >>>>>
--
Alan LeHun
I would say it's pretty sure bet (pun intended) that the casinos will make a lot more out of those people playing traditional gambling games in the casinos rather than them betting on F1.
But the idea was to get more gamblers there in the first place.
A race with an (almost) forgone conclusion and an (almost certainly)
decided championship is less of a draw.
But only in Las Vegas according to you.
Not "only" in Las Vegas, but especially for what should be fairly
obvious reasons.
I'm sorry but that's quite obvious.
You really need to be this idea that something simply seeming obvious
to you makes it true; people might get the idea that you have an
over-inflated self-opinion!
You don't think its obvious that in a city built to cater to gamblers,
an event where the winner is already known to almost a certainty isn't
going to affect that number of gamblers who want to attend?
You think that the Kentucky Derby would be as well attended if everyone
knew that a particular horse was almost certain to win?
Sure, there are all kinds of side bets and prop bets, etc. but sports >gambling is centred on picking the WINNERS.
In article <ug3tab$17k32$4@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
You don't think its obvious that in a city built to cater to gamblers,
an event where the winner is already known to almost a certainty isn't
going to affect that number of gamblers who want to attend?
It will certainly affect the number of racing fans who want to attend,
but that is nothing to do with Vegas.
It won't affect the number of Gamblers who want to attend Vegas in the slightest. The city itself does a fine job at pulling them in. As I said already, and I think you agreed, F1 in Vegas has nothing to do with
Gamblers.
Quite the opposite. It is all about attracting people who /don't/
gamble. And hopefully tempting them to do so while they are there.
You think that the Kentucky Derby would be as well attended if everyone
knew that a particular horse was almost certain to win?
Dogs and Horses are different from any other sporting event. They are intrinsically linked with the gambling industry. You put your bets on,
at the track. You collect your winnings at the track.
Not really comparable. People go the horses in order to bet. People do
not go to F1 in order to bet.
Sure, there are all kinds of side bets and prop bets, etc. but sports
gambling is centred on picking the WINNERS.
It is also centered very much on putting on bets at the last minute and
also on putting on bets during the event.
Sports gamblers in Vegas could not give a shit where the race is. They
will be enjoying themselves in one of the many establishments there that cater for sports gamblers getting all the comforts that gamblers
elsewhere in Vegas are well accustomed to.
Google for sports betting venues in Vegas. Some of them are quite
awesome.
On 11/10/2023 5:15 AM, Alan wrote:
?
You think that the Kentucky Derby would be as well attended if everyone
knew that a particular horse was almost certain to win?
Sure, there are all kinds of side bets and prop bets, etc. but sports
gambling is centred on picking the WINNERS.
So you don't watch F1 because you only get to see VER for about 2% of
the time ?
geoff
Alan LeHun <try@reply.to> wrote:
In article <ug3tab$17k32$4@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
You don't think its obvious that in a city built to cater to gamblers,
an event where the winner is already known to almost a certainty isn't
going to affect that number of gamblers who want to attend?
It will certainly affect the number of racing fans who want to attend,
but that is nothing to do with Vegas.
It won't affect the number of Gamblers who want to attend Vegas in the
slightest. The city itself does a fine job at pulling them in. As I said
already, and I think you agreed, F1 in Vegas has nothing to do with
Gamblers.
Quite the opposite. It is all about attracting people who /don't/
gamble. And hopefully tempting them to do so while they are there.
You think that the Kentucky Derby would be as well attended if everyone
knew that a particular horse was almost certain to win?
Dogs and Horses are different from any other sporting event. They are
intrinsically linked with the gambling industry. You put your bets on,
at the track. You collect your winnings at the track.
Not really comparable. People go the horses in order to bet. People do
not go to F1 in order to bet.
Sure, there are all kinds of side bets and prop bets, etc. but sports
gambling is centred on picking the WINNERS.
It is also centered very much on putting on bets at the last minute and
also on putting on bets during the event.
Sports gamblers in Vegas could not give a shit where the race is. They
will be enjoying themselves in one of the many establishments there that
cater for sports gamblers getting all the comforts that gamblers
elsewhere in Vegas are well accustomed to.
Google for sports betting venues in Vegas. Some of them are quite
awesome.
Agree with everything you say (it’s what I was trying to say in my own post).
I'm a huge fan of motor racing
On 12/10/2023 5:08 AM, Sir Tim wrote:
Alan LeHun <try@reply.to> wrote:
In article <ug3tab$17k32$4@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
You don't think its obvious that in a city built to cater to gamblers, >>>> an event where the winner is already known to almost a certainty isn't >>>> going to affect that number of gamblers who want to attend?
It will certainly affect the number of racing fans who want to attend,
but that is nothing to do with Vegas.
It won't affect the number of Gamblers who want to attend Vegas in the
slightest. The city itself does a fine job at pulling them in. As I said >>> already, and I think you agreed, F1 in Vegas has nothing to do with
Gamblers.
Quite the opposite. It is all about attracting people who /don't/
gamble. And hopefully tempting them to do so while they are there.
You think that the Kentucky Derby would be as well attended if everyone >>>> knew that a particular horse was almost certain to win?
Dogs and Horses are different from any other sporting event. They are
intrinsically linked with the gambling industry. You put your bets on,
at the track. You collect your winnings at the track.
Not really comparable. People go the horses in order to bet. People do
not go to F1 in order to bet.
Sure, there are all kinds of side bets and prop bets, etc. but sports
gambling is centred on picking the WINNERS.
It is also centered very much on putting on bets at the last minute and
also on putting on bets during the event.
Sports gamblers in Vegas could not give a shit where the race is. They
will be enjoying themselves in one of the many establishments there that >>> cater for sports gamblers getting all the comforts that gamblers
elsewhere in Vegas are well accustomed to.
Google for sports betting venues in Vegas. Some of them are quite
awesome.
Agree with everything you say (it’s what I was trying to say in my own
post).
Bizarre about Vegas (to me). On the likes of The Chase the number of
people to would like to travel to Las Vegas with their winnings. I
can't think of many places less appealing to visit. Apart from maybe for
an F1 race.
I'm a huge fan of motor racing
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