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  • What is the point of the sprint races again?

    From D Munz@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 28 13:31:16 2023
    I've completely lost the plot. I thought they were to establish the grid for Sunday's GP but they are doing that on Friday now, right?

    So are the sprints just like a bonus feature race between qually and the GP?

    Don't get me wrong, I think they are good fun, especially to get out the fans, but they don't seem to fit in with the overall drive to reduce costs.

    Unless I'm not getting it...

    FWIW
    DLM

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  • From Phil Carmody@21:1/5 to Carl Keehn on Sat Apr 29 15:41:06 2023
    Carl Keehn <carlkeehn@bellsouth.net> writes:
    On 4/28/2023 4:31 PM, D Munz wrote:
    I've completely lost the plot. I thought they were to establish the
    grid for Sunday's GP but they are doing that on Friday now, right?

    So are the sprints just like a bonus feature race between qually and the GP? >>
    Don't get me wrong, I think they are good fun, especially to get out
    the fans, but they don't seem to fit in with the overall drive to
    reduce costs.

    Unless I'm not getting it...

    FWIW
    DLM
    YOu're getting it. Under the initial plan, the Sprint race did serve
    as the qualifying race for the GP race. Some of the drivers were
    unhappy with the Sprint race concept and proposed a revision. Under
    the old system, a driver had to drive as hard as they could and risk
    their cars in qualifying for a good position in the Sprint race. They
    then had to drive as hard as they could and risk their cars again to
    get a good position for the GP. Especially for the midfield and back runners, the old system was fraught with risk, with limited or no
    rewards.

    Time will tell whether the revised Sprint race format will be
    successful. The new format takes some of the pressure off the
    midfield teams and back markers, the leading teams will probably press
    as hard as they can to do well, in spite of the limited reward.

    All bloody nonsense, IMHO.

    Lenny said as much on the Sky feed, likening it to the bogus "definition
    of insanity".

    Phil
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  • From Carl Keehn@21:1/5 to D Munz on Sat Apr 29 08:16:18 2023
    On 4/28/2023 4:31 PM, D Munz wrote:
    I've completely lost the plot. I thought they were to establish the grid for Sunday's GP but they are doing that on Friday now, right?

    So are the sprints just like a bonus feature race between qually and the GP?

    Don't get me wrong, I think they are good fun, especially to get out the fans, but they don't seem to fit in with the overall drive to reduce costs.

    Unless I'm not getting it...

    FWIW
    DLM
    YOu're getting it. Under the initial plan, the Sprint race did serve as
    the qualifying race for the GP race. Some of the drivers were unhappy
    with the Sprint race concept and proposed a revision. Under the old
    system, a driver had to drive as hard as they could and risk their cars
    in qualifying for a good position in the Sprint race. They then had to
    drive as hard as they could and risk their cars again to get a good
    position for the GP. Especially for the midfield and back runners, the
    old system was fraught with risk, with limited or no rewards.

    Time will tell whether the revised Sprint race format will be
    successful. The new format takes some of the pressure off the midfield
    teams and back markers, the leading teams will probably press as hard as
    they can to do well, in spite of the limited reward.

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  • From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 29 16:10:57 2023
    No point at all with this new format.

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  • From Jimbo@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Sun Apr 30 15:02:05 2023
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 7:10:59 PM UTC-4, XYXPDQ wrote:
    No point at all with this new format.

    Agreed, no point but there are WDC and WCC points so .... :)

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Mon May 1 11:19:58 2023
    On 30/04/2023 11:10 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    No point at all with this new format.

    At least with the 'quali' aspect there was a point to it.

    Now just a superfluous gimmick, albeit with some points awarded.

    geoff

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  • From Sir Tim@21:1/5 to geoff on Mon May 1 06:28:08 2023
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 30/04/2023 11:10 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    No point at all with this new format.

    At least with the 'quali' aspect there was a point to it.

    Now just a superfluous gimmick, albeit with some points awarded.

    +1

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  • From Matt Larkin@21:1/5 to geoff on Tue May 2 06:54:22 2023
    On Monday, 1 May 2023 at 00:20:12 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
    On 30/04/2023 11:10 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    No point at all with this new format.
    At least with the 'quali' aspect there was a point to it.

    Now just a superfluous gimmick, albeit with some points awarded.

    geoff
    What they're missing is "something" to make the gimmicky short race more interesting.

    I'd be happy with things like reverse grids, random pit calls, fake rain etc for the sprint races if a) they don't carry many points and b) they don't directly affect the actual Grand Prix. Though the risk is that the sprints become more exciting than the GP itself which could actually devalue
    the GP. A bit like test matches vs twenty:20 cricket.

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