• Revisit the biggest title comebacks in F1 history

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 20 19:48:01 2022
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    (Interesting history for those who do not know about it.)

    Is there still hope for Leclerc? We revisit the biggest title comebacks
    in F1 history
    By Samarth Kanal and Mike Seymour 18 September 2022


    Red Bull’s Max Verstappen will head to the Singapore Grand Prix with a championship lead of 116 points over nearest rival Charles Leclerc. Can
    the Ferrari driver put together a shock recovery run over the final six
    rounds of the season to turn the tables? Or is another Verstappen
    triumph a formality? We reflect on some of the biggest title comebacks
    in F1 history to gauge just what he’s up against...

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    John Surtees: 1964
    20 points behind with five races to go (points system: 9-6-4-3-2-1)

    John Surtees became the first driver to become the world champion on two
    and four wheels, having previously won titles on 350cc and 500cc
    motorcycles before winning the drivers’ (and constructors’) titles with Ferrari in 1964.

    The Briton faced three retirements in the first four Grands Prix but
    followed that up with P3 at Brands Hatch, which put him seventh in the championship and 20 points behind leader Jim Clark. A win at the
    Nurburgring brought him closer, but retirement in Austria threatened to
    remove him from the title fight.

    However, triumph in front of the tifosi at Monza, plus P2 finishes in
    the USA and Mexico – helped by team mate Lorenzo Bandini – meant Surtees won the championship by a single point over Graham Hill.

    READ MORE: Life after Ferrari – How have superstar drivers fared after leaving the Scuderia?

    Formula One World Championship
    (L to R): Graham Hill, John Surtees and Lorenzo Bandini on the podium at
    the 1964 German Grand Prix

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    James Hunt: 1976
    17 points behind with three races to go (points system: 9-6-4-3-2-1)

    The 1976 season was one of the most memorable in F1 history given Niki Lauda’s horrifying crash at the Nurburgring, his remarkable recovery and return, and the intriguing way in which the championship unfolded.

    Over the first half of the season, Lauda stormed clear of Hunt in the
    standings to give himself a buffer of more than two race wins. But then
    came his fiery accident and a two-race spell on the sidelines that all
    but eradicated his lead. That Lauda returned to action at Monza – just
    weeks after being given the last rites in his hospital bed – was
    scarcely believable, with the Austrian doing what he could to keep Hunt
    at bay.

    Ultimately, Lauda’s decision to withdraw his car from the season finale
    in Japan – amid heavy rain – paved the way for Hunt to clinch the title, scoring the points he needed with a hard-fought podium finish.

    WATCH: When Niki Lauda met Freddie Hunt

    Play Video
    Top 10: Moments of James Hunt Brilliance

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    Keke Rosberg: 1982
    16 points behind with five races to go (points system: 9-6-4-3-2-1)

    Alain Prost’s brace of victories put him in contention for the 1982
    title before compatriot Didier Pironi took the lead – Keke Rosberg a
    distant fifth in the championship with five of the 16 rounds left to play.

    A terrible accident at Hockenheim, however, changed everything, with
    Pironi suffering career-ending injuries. John Watson, who was then
    second in the championship, didn’t score in Germany – but Rosberg did,
    the Finn following that with P2 in Austria (by 0.05s from winner Elio de Angelis) to pass Watson in the standings. A win for Rosberg at the Swiss
    Grand Prix – his only triumph of the season – gave him the lead by three points.

    A non-score in Italy, however, brought Watson back into the frame,
    setting up a title-decider at Las Vegas where Watson finished second to Rosberg's P5, giving Keke his first and only championship.

    BUXTON: Why Las Vegas will finally get the Formula 1 race it deserves in
    2023

    The Williams team celebrate as Keke Rosberg (FIN) Williams FW08 crosses
    the line to claim his first GP win and the only victory in his
    championship winning season
    Keke Rosberg took his one and only victory of the 1982 season at the
    Swiss Grand Prix

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    Nelson Piquet: 1983
    14 points behind with three races to go (points system: 9-6-4-3-2-1)

    Alain Prost looked set to claim overall honours in 1983 until the title
    race erupted across the final four rounds. After the Renault driver
    collided with Brabham rival Nelson Piquet at the Dutch Grand Prix, 14
    points separated the pair, with Rene Arnoux sitting between them.

    Next time out at Monza, Piquet capitalised on a turbo-related retirement
    for Prost to take the victory, before doubling down at Brands Hatch with another win – moving tantalisingly close in the standings.

    Prost still held the lead going into the season finale at Kyalami, but
    another DNF (again due to turbo trouble) opened the door for Piquet, who pounced by making it onto the podium and grabbing the title. Prost would
    have to wait two more years to break his championship duck.

    Dutch Grand Prix: 5 dramatic moments from the F1 archive

    Play Video
    All The Angles: Prost and Piquet collide in Netherlands 1983

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    Alain Prost: 1986
    11 points behind with two races to go (points system: 9-6-4-3-2-1)

    Not since 1960 had a driver (Jack Brabham) defended their title, and
    Prost seemed to be fighting a losing battle in 1986 with two rounds
    left, Williams’ Nigel Mansell having just won the Portuguese Grand Prix
    over Prost in his McLaren.

    Cue another classic as, with P2 in the penultimate round in Mexico,
    Prost jumped to within six points of Mansell – dropping the other
    Williams of Nelson Piquet to third in the standings.

    The more powerful Honda-powered Williams had the advantage in the final
    round in Adelaide. But then Mansell’s title charge went up in a
    spectacular shower of sparks, steel and rubber, the astonishment
    palpable from the microphones of James Hunt and Murray Walker in the
    video below.

    With Piquet pitting to avoid a similar tyre failure, Prost powered to
    his 25th Grand Prix win and second World Championship in amazing
    circumstances.

    READ MORE: Under the bodywork of 1986’s best F1 car, the Williams FW11

    Play Video
    Murray Walker's famous commentary of Mansell's tyre blowout at Australia
    1986

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    Kimi Raikkonen: 2007
    17 points behind with two races to go (points system: 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1)

    Kimi Raikkonen defied the odds in 2007 when he scored a maximum 20
    points from the final two races to overturn a 17-point deficit.

    After the Japanese Grand Prix, it was Lewis Hamilton who led the way, 12
    points clear of McLaren team mate Fernando Alonso and a further five
    ahead of Raikkonen. But a hugely dramatic retirement for Hamilton in
    China (when he slid off at the pit entry with worn intermediate tyres)
    turned the situation on its head.

    Still seven points down, Raikkonen coolly claimed another victory at the
    season finale in Brazil – backed up by Ferrari team mate Felipe Massa – while Hamilton had to settle for seventh after encountering early
    gearbox issues, with Alonso third – meaning the Finn beat them to the
    title by a single point.

    BEYOND THE GRID: 'I wouldn't change a single thing' – Kimi Raikkonen on
    his career and retirement from F1

    Play Video
    Top 10: Moments of Kimi Räikkönen Brilliance

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    Sebastian Vettel: 2010 and 2012
    2010: 31 points behind with six races to go (points system: 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1)

    Sebastian Vettel may have swept 2010-13 for all four of his
    championships, but they didn't all come easy to the then-Red Bull
    driver. In 2010, the title came down to a four-way fight between Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton and Mark Webber, with Ferrari's Alonso the favourite.

    Red Bull had imperfect reliability that year, while the relationship
    between Webber and Vettel had soured too, flashpoints flaring in Turkey
    and Korea between the German's wins in Japan and Brazil. When it came to
    the finale at Abu Dhabi, Vettel won the race and had to wait until
    Alonso crossed the finish line in P7 – behind Vitaly Petrov – to be
    crowned Weltmeister by four points over the Spaniard.

    WATCH: Radio Rewind – The story of Abu Dhabi 2010

    2012: 39 points behind with seven races to go (points system: 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1)

    As the 2012 season crept past the halfway mark, Vettel's hopes of
    defending his 2011 title were fading, and Alonso seemed destined for a
    third championship given Vettel's retirement in Italy – where Hamilton
    won from pole.

    But when Hamilton's gearbox failed in Singapore, Vettel inherited the
    win and Japan would be even sweeter (a Grand Slam) as Alonso retired on
    the first lap. Korea saw Vettel overhaul team mate Webber for victory
    and then in India, Vettel dominated to lead the championship by 13
    points – a lead that he'd retain until the very end of the season – with championship-worthy drives in Brazil and Abu Dhabi.

    EXCLUSIVE: Onboard for Vettel's epic, incident-packed first 8 laps of
    Brazil 2012

    Play Video
    Race Highlights - Brazil 2012
    Lewis Hamilton: 2017
    14 points behind with nine races to go (points system: 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1)

    While this is far from the greatest comeback in F1 history, Hamilton did
    have to overturn a points deficit several times en route to the 2017
    crown. Vettel made a lightning start to the season by winning three of
    the first six races and finishing second in the others – sending a clear message of intent.

    The battle ebbed and flowed as the campaign developed, spiking with a controversial clash in Azerbaijan, but it was Vettel who entered the
    summer break as the leader – the then-Ferrari driver 14 points ahead of Hamilton.

    However, it all went wrong for Vettel at the start of the final flyaway sequence as he suffered two retirements in three races – including a
    dramatic collision with team mate Kimi Raikkonen and Red Bull’s Max Verstappen in Singapore. From there, Hamilton romped to glory,
    ultimately finishing 46 points clear.

    F1 Vault: Drama as Hamilton wins fourth title in Mexico

    Play Video
    Race highlights - Mexico 2017

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  • From News@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 14:15:33 2022
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    On 9/20/2022 10:48 PM, a425couple wrote:
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    (Interesting history for those who do not know about it.)

    Is there still hope for Leclerc?


    Depends. Is there still hope for Ferrari strategy, pit wall and service?

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  • From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 22 11:49:27 2022
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 7:48:05 PM UTC-7, a425couple wrote:
    from https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.is-there-still-hope-for-leclerc-we-revisit-the-biggest-title-comebacks-in-f1.1fSX2eMF1KYxoh4A3k82hy.html

    (Interesting history for those who do not know about it.)

    Is there still hope for Leclerc? We revisit the biggest title comebacks
    in F1 history
    By Samarth Kanal and Mike Seymour 18 September 2022


    Red Bull’s Max Verstappen will head to the Singapore Grand Prix with a championship lead of 116 points over nearest rival Charles Leclerc. Can
    the Ferrari driver put together a shock recovery run over the final six rounds of the season to turn the tables? Or is another Verstappen
    triumph a formality? We reflect on some of the biggest title comebacks
    in F1 history to gauge just what he’s up against...

    ------------------
    John Surtees: 1964
    20 points behind with five races to go (points system: 9-6-4-3-2-1)

    John Surtees became the first driver to become the world champion on two
    and four wheels, having previously won titles on 350cc and 500cc
    motorcycles before winning the drivers’ (and constructors’) titles with Ferrari in 1964.

    The Briton faced three retirements in the first four Grands Prix but followed that up with P3 at Brands Hatch, which put him seventh in the championship and 20 points behind leader Jim Clark. A win at the
    Nurburgring brought him closer, but retirement in Austria threatened to remove him from the title fight.

    However, triumph in front of the tifosi at Monza, plus P2 finishes in
    the USA and Mexico – helped by team mate Lorenzo Bandini – meant Surtees won the championship by a single point over Graham Hill.

    READ MORE: Life after Ferrari – How have superstar drivers fared after leaving the Scuderia?

    Formula One World Championship
    (L to R): Graham Hill, John Surtees and Lorenzo Bandini on the podium at
    the 1964 German Grand Prix

    ---------------------
    James Hunt: 1976
    17 points behind with three races to go (points system: 9-6-4-3-2-1)

    The 1976 season was one of the most memorable in F1 history given Niki Lauda’s horrifying crash at the Nurburgring, his remarkable recovery and return, and the intriguing way in which the championship unfolded.

    Over the first half of the season, Lauda stormed clear of Hunt in the standings to give himself a buffer of more than two race wins. But then
    came his fiery accident and a two-race spell on the sidelines that all
    but eradicated his lead. That Lauda returned to action at Monza – just weeks after being given the last rites in his hospital bed – was
    scarcely believable, with the Austrian doing what he could to keep Hunt
    at bay.

    Ultimately, Lauda’s decision to withdraw his car from the season finale
    in Japan – amid heavy rain – paved the way for Hunt to clinch the title, scoring the points he needed with a hard-fought podium finish.

    WATCH: When Niki Lauda met Freddie Hunt

    Play Video
    Top 10: Moments of James Hunt Brilliance

    -----------------------
    Keke Rosberg: 1982
    16 points behind with five races to go (points system: 9-6-4-3-2-1)

    Alain Prost’s brace of victories put him in contention for the 1982
    title before compatriot Didier Pironi took the lead – Keke Rosberg a distant fifth in the championship with five of the 16 rounds left to play.

    A terrible accident at Hockenheim, however, changed everything, with
    Pironi suffering career-ending injuries. John Watson, who was then
    second in the championship, didn’t score in Germany – but Rosberg did, the Finn following that with P2 in Austria (by 0.05s from winner Elio de Angelis) to pass Watson in the standings. A win for Rosberg at the Swiss Grand Prix – his only triumph of the season – gave him the lead by three points.

    A non-score in Italy, however, brought Watson back into the frame,
    setting up a title-decider at Las Vegas where Watson finished second to Rosberg's P5, giving Keke his first and only championship.

    BUXTON: Why Las Vegas will finally get the Formula 1 race it deserves in 2023

    The Williams team celebrate as Keke Rosberg (FIN) Williams FW08 crosses
    the line to claim his first GP win and the only victory in his
    championship winning season
    Keke Rosberg took his one and only victory of the 1982 season at the
    Swiss Grand Prix

    ------------------------
    Nelson Piquet: 1983
    14 points behind with three races to go (points system: 9-6-4-3-2-1)

    Alain Prost looked set to claim overall honours in 1983 until the title
    race erupted across the final four rounds. After the Renault driver
    collided with Brabham rival Nelson Piquet at the Dutch Grand Prix, 14
    points separated the pair, with Rene Arnoux sitting between them.

    Next time out at Monza, Piquet capitalised on a turbo-related retirement
    for Prost to take the victory, before doubling down at Brands Hatch with another win – moving tantalisingly close in the standings.

    Prost still held the lead going into the season finale at Kyalami, but another DNF (again due to turbo trouble) opened the door for Piquet, who pounced by making it onto the podium and grabbing the title. Prost would have to wait two more years to break his championship duck.

    Dutch Grand Prix: 5 dramatic moments from the F1 archive

    Play Video
    All The Angles: Prost and Piquet collide in Netherlands 1983

    -----------------------
    Alain Prost: 1986
    11 points behind with two races to go (points system: 9-6-4-3-2-1)

    Not since 1960 had a driver (Jack Brabham) defended their title, and
    Prost seemed to be fighting a losing battle in 1986 with two rounds
    left, Williams’ Nigel Mansell having just won the Portuguese Grand Prix over Prost in his McLaren.

    Cue another classic as, with P2 in the penultimate round in Mexico,
    Prost jumped to within six points of Mansell – dropping the other
    Williams of Nelson Piquet to third in the standings.

    The more powerful Honda-powered Williams had the advantage in the final round in Adelaide. But then Mansell’s title charge went up in a spectacular shower of sparks, steel and rubber, the astonishment
    palpable from the microphones of James Hunt and Murray Walker in the
    video below.

    With Piquet pitting to avoid a similar tyre failure, Prost powered to
    his 25th Grand Prix win and second World Championship in amazing circumstances.

    READ MORE: Under the bodywork of 1986’s best F1 car, the Williams FW11

    Play Video
    Murray Walker's famous commentary of Mansell's tyre blowout at Australia 1986

    -------------------------
    Kimi Raikkonen: 2007
    17 points behind with two races to go (points system: 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1)

    Kimi Raikkonen defied the odds in 2007 when he scored a maximum 20
    points from the final two races to overturn a 17-point deficit.

    After the Japanese Grand Prix, it was Lewis Hamilton who led the way, 12 points clear of McLaren team mate Fernando Alonso and a further five
    ahead of Raikkonen. But a hugely dramatic retirement for Hamilton in
    China (when he slid off at the pit entry with worn intermediate tyres) turned the situation on its head.

    Still seven points down, Raikkonen coolly claimed another victory at the season finale in Brazil – backed up by Ferrari team mate Felipe Massa – while Hamilton had to settle for seventh after encountering early
    gearbox issues, with Alonso third – meaning the Finn beat them to the title by a single point.

    BEYOND THE GRID: 'I wouldn't change a single thing' – Kimi Raikkonen on his career and retirement from F1

    Play Video
    Top 10: Moments of Kimi Räikkönen Brilliance

    -----------------------------------
    Sebastian Vettel: 2010 and 2012
    2010: 31 points behind with six races to go (points system: 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1)

    Sebastian Vettel may have swept 2010-13 for all four of his
    championships, but they didn't all come easy to the then-Red Bull
    driver. In 2010, the title came down to a four-way fight between Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton and Mark Webber, with Ferrari's Alonso the favourite.

    Red Bull had imperfect reliability that year, while the relationship
    between Webber and Vettel had soured too, flashpoints flaring in Turkey
    and Korea between the German's wins in Japan and Brazil. When it came to
    the finale at Abu Dhabi, Vettel won the race and had to wait until
    Alonso crossed the finish line in P7 – behind Vitaly Petrov – to be crowned Weltmeister by four points over the Spaniard.

    WATCH: Radio Rewind – The story of Abu Dhabi 2010

    2012: 39 points behind with seven races to go (points system: 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1)

    As the 2012 season crept past the halfway mark, Vettel's hopes of
    defending his 2011 title were fading, and Alonso seemed destined for a
    third championship given Vettel's retirement in Italy – where Hamilton
    won from pole.

    But when Hamilton's gearbox failed in Singapore, Vettel inherited the
    win and Japan would be even sweeter (a Grand Slam) as Alonso retired on
    the first lap. Korea saw Vettel overhaul team mate Webber for victory
    and then in India, Vettel dominated to lead the championship by 13
    points – a lead that he'd retain until the very end of the season – with championship-worthy drives in Brazil and Abu Dhabi.

    EXCLUSIVE: Onboard for Vettel's epic, incident-packed first 8 laps of
    Brazil 2012

    Play Video
    Race Highlights - Brazil 2012
    Lewis Hamilton: 2017
    14 points behind with nine races to go (points system: 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1)

    While this is far from the greatest comeback in F1 history, Hamilton did have to overturn a points deficit several times en route to the 2017
    crown. Vettel made a lightning start to the season by winning three of
    the first six races and finishing second in the others – sending a clear message of intent.

    The battle ebbed and flowed as the campaign developed, spiking with a controversial clash in Azerbaijan, but it was Vettel who entered the
    summer break as the leader – the then-Ferrari driver 14 points ahead of Hamilton.

    However, it all went wrong for Vettel at the start of the final flyaway sequence as he suffered two retirements in three races – including a dramatic collision with team mate Kimi Raikkonen and Red Bull’s Max Verstappen in Singapore. From there, Hamilton romped to glory,
    ultimately finishing 46 points clear.

    F1 Vault: Drama as Hamilton wins fourth title in Mexico

    Play Video
    Race highlights - Mexico 2017


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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to News on Thu Sep 22 16:08:40 2022
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    On 09/21/2022 11:15 AM, News wrote:
    On 9/20/2022 10:48 PM, a425couple wrote:
    from
    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.is-there-still-hope-for-leclerc-we-revisit-the-biggest-title-comebacks-in-f1.1fSX2eMF1KYxoh4A3k82hy.html


    (Interesting history for those who do not know about it.)

    Is there still hope for Leclerc?


    Depends. Is there still hope for Ferrari strategy, pit wall and service?

    I think there is reasonable hope that Leclerc, and perhaps even Sainz,
    can win some more races this year.
    I do not think there is any chance of anyone other than Verstappen
    winning the WDC.

    I am surprised at just how much the betting odds think Max Verstappen
    will win at Singapore. At current LONG odds it seems to me that it
    would be decent to bet on a surprise.


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    Defending Champion: Sebastian Vettel (2019)
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