• Re: Christian Horner accuses Mercedes of 'bullying' behaviour leading t

    From geoff@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 8 10:31:36 2022
    On 8/03/2022 10:28 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
    your own driver then ...

    Since Horner is intimately acquainted with the situation...

    ...and you're not...

    Very intimately - having been a party to bullying Masi into his faulty decision(s) - who was either out of his depth wrt the actual rules, or vulnerable to partisan pressure.

    geoff

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Mar 7 14:09:08 2022
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 2:28:55 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    ...and you're not...

    likewise you
    you stupid cunt

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to geoff on Mon Mar 7 13:28:53 2022
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of your
    own driver then ...

    Since Horner is intimately acquainted with the situation...

    ...and you're not...

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to geoff on Mon Mar 7 14:52:04 2022
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of your
    own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying to
    follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending under
    a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 8 15:09:29 2022
    On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
    your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending under
    a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
    you. Maybe nobody else.

    However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
    wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should
    not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

    geoff

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to geoff on Mon Mar 7 18:25:31 2022
    On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
    your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
    to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
    under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
    you.  Maybe nobody else.

    Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.


    However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
    wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should
    not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

    Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
    to happen.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to geoff on Mon Mar 7 19:49:31 2022
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 7:09:40 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:

    Um, Horner ?

    Um?
    you fucking faggot

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to geoff on Mon Mar 7 19:42:19 2022
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 7:09:40 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:

    Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
    you. Maybe nobody else.

    form a fucking sentence
    fuck are dim
    are you alan?
    rtr?

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Mar 7 19:34:18 2022
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 7:25:35 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Sorry,

    sorry is for pussys
    you fucking pussy

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to texas gate on Mon Mar 7 20:05:25 2022
    On 2022-03-07 7:57 p.m., texas gate wrote:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 7:25:35 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
    to happen.

    you fucking faggot

    Seriously?

    Are you always going to be this dull?

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Mar 7 19:57:51 2022
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 7:25:35 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
    to happen.

    you fucking faggot

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 8 19:33:37 2022
    On 8/03/2022 3:25 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
    your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
    to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
    under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
    you.  Maybe nobody else.

    Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.


    However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
    wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
    appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they
    should not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

    Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
    to happen.


    OK - your trick. Please cite proof.


    geoff

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  • From keithr0@21:1/5 to geoff on Tue Mar 8 16:34:30 2022
    On 8/03/2022 7:24 am, geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of your
    own driver then ...

    geoff

    Interestingly in a fan poll on Speed-Cafe, 2/3rds of the respondent felt
    that he should not have been sacked.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to geoff on Mon Mar 7 23:44:02 2022
    On 2022-03-07 10:33 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 3:25 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
    your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was
    trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid
    races ending under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
    you.  Maybe nobody else.

    Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.


    However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
    wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
    appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they
    should not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

    Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
    to happen.


    OK - your trick.  Please cite proof.

    Do you dispute that Christian Horner stated that:

    'Masi was trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to
    avoid races ending under a safety-car period.'

    Yes or no?

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  • From Sir Tim@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 8 07:46:21 2022
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
    your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
    to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
    under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
    you.  Maybe nobody else.

    Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.


    However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
    wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
    appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should
    not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

    Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
    to happen.


    Masi’s boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is bent?

    --
    Sir Tim

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Sir Tim on Mon Mar 7 23:48:42 2022
    On 2022-03-07 11:46 p.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
    your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
    to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
    under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
    you.  Maybe nobody else.

    Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.


    However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
    wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
    appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should
    not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

    Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
    to happen.


    Masi’s boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is bent?


    1. They don't have to be "bent" to think it is in the best interests of
    F1 for the best season in 20 years not to end behind a safety car.

    Why does "bent" enter into it from what I said?

    2. Come to think of it, do you know an international sports governing
    body that ISN'T bent? Or do think that which countries get GPs isn't
    determined by graft?

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  • From durian@21:1/5 to user@account.invalid on Tue Mar 8 10:04:10 2022
    On 2022-03-08, keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 5:46 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of >>>>>> your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying >>>>> to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending >>>>> under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
    you.  Maybe nobody else.

    Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.


    However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
    wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
    appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should >>>> not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

    Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
    to happen.


    Masi’s boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is bent?

    There have been plenty of accusations that Masi is "Bent" and
    deliberately set out to rob Hamilton of the title.

    Why would he do that? "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." There have been more controversial discussions over the season, not just in the last race. If it was deliberate it was, uhm, finely timed :-)

    -peter

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  • From keithr0@21:1/5 to Sir Tim on Tue Mar 8 19:32:27 2022
    On 8/03/2022 5:46 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
    your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
    to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
    under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
    you.  Maybe nobody else.

    Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.


    However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
    wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
    appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should
    not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

    Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
    to happen.


    Masi’s boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is bent?

    There have been plenty of accusations that Masi is "Bent" and
    deliberately set out to rob Hamilton of the title.

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to durian on Tue Mar 8 10:30:43 2022
    durian <durian@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 2022-03-08, keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:

    There have been plenty of accusations that Masi is "Bent" and
    deliberately set out to rob Hamilton of the title.

    Why would he do that? "Never attribute to malice that which is
    adequately explained by stupidity." There have been more controversial discussions over the season, not just in the last race. If it was
    deliberate it was, uhm, finely timed :-)

    I saw a man under too much pressure who buckled. I think the decision
    was wrong but not corrupt.

    I think that Horner is right that Mercedes put a lot of pressure on Masi
    and others throughout the season and that isn't right either. What's
    astounding is that this observation can come from Horner and Red Bull
    who are *just* as bad for putting pressure onto officials and calling
    to the court of public opinion when things aren't going their way.

    F1 needs this to be handled strongly and even-handedly without fear or
    favour. If it's done right, they should also be handing out penalties
    for speaking out of turn as I think many have been guilty of this year. "Bringing the sport into disrepute" is a useful tool. If a decision is
    come to behind closed doors, going off and rehashing it (before or
    after) with the press just creates impossible situations, and I don't
    think Wolff, Horner or Marko can claim to have been blameless
    throughout.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 8 11:07:39 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
    your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
    to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
    under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Do you have a cite for that.

    Sounds like another one pulled out of your arse.

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Tue Mar 8 08:10:20 2022
    On 2022-03-08 3:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
    your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
    to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
    under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Do you have a cite for that.

    The article above.


    Sounds like another one pulled out of your arse.


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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 8 08:10:41 2022
    On 2022-03-08 1:32 a.m., keithr0 wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 5:46 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of >>>>>> your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying >>>>> to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending >>>>> under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
    you.  Maybe nobody else.

    Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.


    However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
    wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
    appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should >>>> not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

    Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
    to happen.


    Masi’s boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is bent?

    There have been plenty of accusations that Masi is "Bent" and
    deliberately set out to rob Hamilton of the title.

    Bullshit.

    Produce one.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 8 16:52:26 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-08 3:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in
    favour of your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was
    trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid
    races ending under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Do you have a cite for that.

    The article above.


    Tells us nothing about the source of any supposed guidance and who it
    came from.

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 8 17:13:59 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
    your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
    to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
    under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Oh FFS, we've been over this. It was his job to follow and enforce the regulations. If there were guidance that required a regulation change
    they would have put one to the teams. There was not.
    Are you really claiming to be too ignorant to know the difference
    between something being "desirable" and being given authority to override/ignore the written regulations?


    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Tue Mar 8 09:17:57 2022
    On 2022-03-08 9:13 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
    your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
    to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
    under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Oh FFS, we've been over this. It was his job to follow and enforce the regulations. If there were guidance that required a regulation change
    they would have put one to the teams. There was not.
    Are you really claiming to be too ignorant to know the difference
    between something being "desirable" and being given authority to override/ignore the written regulations?

    And yet there was a specific call to the fact that safety cars would be
    handled differently in this last race...

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  • From Alan LeHun@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 8 19:01:49 2022
    In article <t071g2$ekb$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Do you dispute that Christian Horner stated that:

    'Masi was trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to
    avoid races ending under a safety-car period.'

    Yes or no?


    Who gave that guidance is the issue.


    --
    Alan LeHun

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  • From Alan LeHun@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 8 18:58:29 2022
    In article <t062ak$84f$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending under
    a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?


    My understanding is that it was the teams themselves, during a team
    principles meeting.

    I'm trying to find a cite, but best I have done so far is https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.unpicking-the-safety-car- period-that-turned-the-abu-dhabi-grand-prix-on-
    its.7rTWOXxJ5lpvg38nrCYfM3.html

    https://tinyurl.com/bde7je2w

    "The Formula 1 teams wanted a Grand Prix to always end under a green
    flag. To flag down a race behind the (virtual) safety car would no
    longer be possible. A noble goal, nice for the fans and good for the excitement. However, a consensus had to be reached on how to do this:
    should there be extra laps, for example?

    In any case, there are plenty of options to always finish under green. Precisely that proved to be a problem, because the teams could not agree
    on what to do in case of a safety car in the final phase. That reports
    Auto, motor und sport. A rule change did not make it. It is possible
    that the teams will reach an agreement at a later stage, according to
    the medium, and that finishing under yellow will be abolished after
    all."




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  • From alister@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 8 19:06:42 2022
    On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 09:17:21 -0800, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-08 8:52 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-08 3:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of >>>>>> your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was
    trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid
    races ending under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Do you have a cite for that.

    The article above.


    Tells us nothing about the source of any supposed guidance and who it
    came from.


    Do you at least acknowledge that Horner said this?

    And from whom can an employee received "guidance"?

    the key word is GUIDANCE, not order or instruction GUIDANCE.
    I receive lots of GUIDANCE from my boss such as avoid any unnecessary
    overtime or expense but at no time does he mean for me to break the law or breach contracts to do so (& if he did I would be wrong to follow such GUIDANCE.

    I would suspect that Masi has in fact failed in the GUIDANCE he was given because I a pretty sure it would have been more along the lines of "Try to ensure a good clean race with no controversy".
    I seriously doubt that Liberty have been at all please with the ensuing debacle.

    Horner is now trying to stir the pot for the start of 2022 to gain a psychological advantage, typical Honer Mind games, Wolf is fully aware of
    them as he is also guilty of the same.






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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 9 08:50:26 2022
    On 8/03/2022 8:44 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 10:33 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 3:25 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour
    of your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was
    trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid
    races ending under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
    you.  Maybe nobody else.

    Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.


    However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are
    still wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had
    a solid appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that
    they should not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

    Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what
    tends to happen.


    OK - your trick.  Please cite proof.

    Do you dispute that Christian Horner stated that:

    'Masi was trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to
    avoid races ending under a safety-car period.'

    Yes or no?

    That he said it, no I don't dispute that.

    I have no idea, but that isn't the point in question.

    I can imagine Horner saying all sorts of things to support Masi and his decisions which gifted his driver the win, accurate or not.

    geoff

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 9 08:52:06 2022
    On 8/03/2022 8:48 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 11:46 p.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of >>>>>> your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying >>>>> to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending >>>>> under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
    you.  Maybe nobody else.

    Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.


    However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
    wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
    appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should >>>> not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

    Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
    to happen.


    Masi’s boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is bent?


    1. They don't have to be "bent" to think it is in the best interests of
    F1 for the best season in 20 years not to end behind a safety car.

    And they think to end in an unfair and illegal manner is in thebest
    interests of F1 ?

    geoff

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 9 08:59:18 2022
    On 8/03/2022 7:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 7:24 am, geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
    your own driver then ...

    geoff

    Interestingly in a fan poll on Speed-Cafe, 2/3rds of the respondent felt
    that he should not have been sacked.

    So Speed-Cafe types typically have a stiffy for VER and those who come
    to his assistance ?

    Or do they favour 'flexible' rules ?

    Or are they accepting of low job-performance standards ?

    geoff

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  • From Alan LeHun@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 8 20:20:30 2022
    In article <tYqdnQ4NtbsEKLr_nZ2dnUU7-XednZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org says...
    Interestingly in a fan poll on Speed-Cafe, 2/3rds of the respondent felt that he should not have been sacked.

    So Speed-Cafe types typically have a stiffy for VER and those who come
    to his assistance ?

    Or do they favour 'flexible' rules ?


    I think it's a big step to say that not thinking masi should be sacked
    is admission that they think he acted correctly.


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  • From ~misfit~@21:1/5 to durian on Wed Mar 9 11:39:58 2022
    On 8/03/2022 11:04 pm, durian wrote:
    On 2022-03-08, keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 5:46 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of >>>>>>> your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying >>>>>> to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending >>>>>> under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do >>>>> you.  Maybe nobody else.

    Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.


    However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still >>>>> wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid >>>>> appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should >>>>> not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

    Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends >>>> to happen.


    Masi’s boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is bent? >>>
    There have been plenty of accusations that Masi is "Bent" and
    deliberately set out to rob Hamilton of the title.

    Why would he do that?

    Maybe because Red Bull is the only top team in recent times who've run Australian drivers? I've
    spoken to a few Aussies and they tend to favour RBR because of this. It's the most popular team in
    Aus from what I can see.

    Just a thought...

    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

    Hanlon's Razor is good as a general guide but you don't get to become F1 race director if you're
    stupid.

    There have been more controversial discussions over the season, not just in the last race. If it was deliberate it was, uhm, finely timed :-)

    It was very predictable though, once Max pitted and Lewis didn't and they were nose-to-tail *any*
    racing lap/s were going to change the natural order of the race.

    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

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  • From keithr0@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 9 14:34:03 2022
    On 9/03/2022 8:39 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:04 pm, durian wrote:
    On 2022-03-08, keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 5:46 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of >>>>>>>> your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was
    trying
    to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races
    ending
    under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do >>>>>> you.  Maybe nobody else.

    Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.


    However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still >>>>>> wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid >>>>>> appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they
    should
    not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

    Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends >>>>> to happen.


    Masi’s boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is bent? >>>>
    There have been plenty of accusations that Masi is "Bent" and
    deliberately set out to rob Hamilton of the title.

    Why would he do that?

    Maybe because Red Bull is the only top team in recent times who've run Australian drivers? I've spoken to a few Aussies and they tend to favour
    RBR because of this. It's the most popular team in Aus from what I can see.

    A load of bullshit. I think that whatever team Danny Ricciardo is
    driving for is more likely to be favourite. I have seem posts that imply
    that Australians hate Hamilton, not sure where that comes from either.

    Just a thought...

    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by
    stupidity."

    Hanlon's Razor is good as a general guide but you don't get to become F1
    race director if you're stupid.

    There have been more controversial discussions over the season, not
    just in the last race. If it was deliberate it was, uhm, finely timed :-)

    It was very predictable though, once Max pitted and Lewis didn't and
    they were nose-to-tail *any* racing lap/s were going to change the
    natural order of the race.


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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 9 11:41:51 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-08 8:52 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-08 3:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in
    favour of your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was
    trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to
    avoid races ending under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Do you have a cite for that.

    The article above.


    Tells us nothing about the source of any supposed guidance and who
    it came from.


    Do you at least acknowledge that Horner said this?

    And from whom can an employee received "guidance"?

    Sure. I wasn't paying attention and thought it was something new and
    relevant not the same old news restated.

    Do acknowledge that "guidance" does not confer any permission to
    ignore or circumvent the regulations.

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    George R
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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 9 11:45:58 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-08 9:13 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in
    favour of your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was
    trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid
    races ending under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Oh FFS, we've been over this. It was his job to follow and enforce
    the regulations. If there were guidance that required a regulation
    change they would have put one to the teams. There was not.
    Are you really claiming to be too ignorant to know the difference
    between something being "desirable" and being given authority to override/ignore the written regulations?

    And yet

    ???

    there was a specific call to the fact that safety cars would
    be handled differently in this last race...

    No. Be precise.

    There was an agreement that finishing under the SC was not desirable.
    Nothing more.

    or in your choice of words...

    "And yet" there was no suggestion that the regulations would not be
    applied as written which would require overt and probably unanimous
    agreement of the teams.

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  • From ~misfit~@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 10 11:50:54 2022
    On 9/03/2022 5:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 9/03/2022 8:39 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:04 pm, durian wrote:
    On 2022-03-08, keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 5:46 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of >>>>>>>>> your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying >>>>>>>> to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending >>>>>>>> under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do >>>>>>> you.  Maybe nobody else.

    Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.


    However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still >>>>>>> wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid >>>>>>> appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should >>>>>>> not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

    Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends >>>>>> to happen.


    Masi’s boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is bent? >>>>>
    There have been plenty of accusations that Masi is "Bent" and
    deliberately set out to rob Hamilton of the title.

    Why would he do that?

    Maybe because Red Bull is the only top team in recent times who've run Australian drivers? I've
    spoken to a few Aussies and they tend to favour RBR because of this. It's the most popular team
    in Aus from what I can see.

    A load of bullshit.

    Opinions and arseholes.... Unless you can produce data to back it up?

    I think that whatever team Danny Ricciardo is driving for is more likely to be
    favourite.

    Yeah, even Masi couldn't wrangle it so that Dan won that last race. (BTW, as an Aussie I'd have
    thought you'd have known that Dan doesn't like being called "Danny".)

    I have seem posts that imply that Australians hate Hamilton, not sure where that comes
    from either.

    Hard to know. Then again as one of the last countries in the world to have an official whites only
    'White Australia policy' (WAP), only rescinded in the 1970s and an abysmal record when it comes to
    dealing with native inhabitants it could be true... The WAP is after all in living memory.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy>

    Maybe (where ever it comes from) it is partly due to the fact that Hamilton was keeping RBR out of
    top place?

    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 9 14:58:10 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:50:59 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:

    (BTW, as an Aussie I'd have
    thought you'd have known that Dan doesn't like being called "Danny".)

    fuck off faggot

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  • From Martin Harran@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Mar 10 09:49:59 2022
    On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 13:28:53 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of your
    own driver then ...

    Since Horner is intimately acquainted with the situation...

    ...and you're not...


    LOL, that's rich coming from someone whose lack of evidence has bever diminished his self-righteousness!

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 10 10:43:19 2022
    ~misfit~ wrote:

    Maybe because Red Bull is the only top team in recent times who've
    run Australian drivers? I've spoken to a few Aussies and they tend to
    favour RBR because of this. It's the most popular team in Aus from
    what I can see.


    A quick search gave this.

    https://www.motorsportweek.com/2021/10/21/ferrari-no-longer-most-popular-f1-team-among-fans/

    "McLaren was the top-ranked team in the UK, US, Australia, Canada and
    Brazil, while regionally it was ranked number one in Europe."

    The combination of 2nd most popular driver Lando Norris and Daniel
    Ricciardo probably drive this choice in AUS.


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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Fri Mar 11 10:11:40 2022
    On 10/03/2022 11:43 pm, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:

    Maybe because Red Bull is the only top team in recent times who've
    run Australian drivers? I've spoken to a few Aussies and they tend to
    favour RBR because of this. It's the most popular team in Aus from
    what I can see.


    A quick search gave this.

    https://www.motorsportweek.com/2021/10/21/ferrari-no-longer-most-popular-f1-team-among-fans/

    "McLaren was the top-ranked team in the UK, US, Australia, Canada and
    Brazil, while regionally it was ranked number one in Europe."

    The combination of 2nd most popular driver Lando Norris and Daniel
    Ricciardo probably drive this choice in AUS.



    Naa - the only reason McLaren would be the favourite team in Oz is
    because McLaren was a Kiwi, and they have a habit of laying claim to
    successful things from NZ. Like Crowded House, Phar Lap, Gorton,
    Pavlova, etc...

    geoff

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  • From ~misfit~@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Fri Mar 11 11:03:12 2022
    On 10/03/2022 11:43 pm, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:

    Maybe because Red Bull is the only top team in recent times who've
    run Australian drivers? I've spoken to a few Aussies and they tend to
    favour RBR because of this. It's the most popular team in Aus from
    what I can see.


    A quick search gave this.

    https://www.motorsportweek.com/2021/10/21/ferrari-no-longer-most-popular-f1-team-among-fans/

    "McLaren was the top-ranked team in the UK, US, Australia, Canada and
    Brazil, while regionally it was ranked number one in Europe."

    The combination of 2nd most popular driver Lando Norris and Daniel
    Ricciardo probably drive this choice in AUS.

    Also as F1 has started to reach more women (and they do outnumber us after all) this probably
    accounts for a lot of it. From your link:

    "A noticeable increase in popularity has been seen in female fans, with almost 50% of female
    participants listing McLaren as their top team to follow."

    However this is all recent, RBR was the favoured team in Aus in the last decade (from my
    experience) and Masi is older and male...
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 10 15:39:22 2022
    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 3:03:17 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:

    Also as F1 has started to reach more women (and they do outnumber us after all) this probably
    accounts for a lot of it. From your link:

    "A noticeable increase in popularity has been seen in female fans, with almost 50% of female
    participants listing McLaren as their top team to follow."

    you are a female

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  • From keithr0@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 11 19:45:48 2022
    On 10/03/2022 8:50 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 9/03/2022 5:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 9/03/2022 8:39 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:04 pm, durian wrote:
    On 2022-03-08, keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 5:46 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in
    favour of
    your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was >>>>>>>>> trying
    to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races >>>>>>>>> ending
    under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and
    neither do
    you.  Maybe nobody else.

    Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.


    However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are >>>>>>>> still
    wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a >>>>>>>> solid
    appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they >>>>>>>> should
    not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

    Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what >>>>>>> tends
    to happen.


    Masi’s boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is >>>>>> bent?

    There have been plenty of accusations that Masi is "Bent" and
    deliberately set out to rob Hamilton of the title.

    Why would he do that?

    Maybe because Red Bull is the only top team in recent times who've
    run Australian drivers? I've spoken to a few Aussies and they tend to
    favour RBR because of this. It's the most popular team in Aus from
    what I can see.

    A load of bullshit.

    Opinions and arseholes.... Unless you can produce data to back it up?

    Don't need to I was questioning your assertion.

    I think that whatever team Danny Ricciardo is driving for is more
    likely to be favourite.

    Yeah, even Masi couldn't wrangle it so that Dan won that last race.
    (BTW, as an Aussie I'd have thought you'd have known that Dan doesn't
    like being called "Danny".)

    I have seem posts that imply that Australians hate Hamilton, not sure
    where that comes from either.

    Hard to know. Then again as one of the last countries in the world to
    have an official whites only 'White Australia policy' (WAP), only
    rescinded in the 1970s and an abysmal record when it comes to dealing
    with native inhabitants it could be true... The WAP is after all in
    living memory.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy>

    Maybe (where ever it comes from) it is partly due to the fact that
    Hamilton was keeping RBR out of top place?

    So basically because Masi is Australian, he favours Red Bull, and hates Hamilton because he is a racist. That's not a good troll barely even an
    average one.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 11 23:19:49 2022
    On 11/03/2022 10:45 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 10/03/2022 8:50 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 9/03/2022 5:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 9/03/2022 8:39 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:04 pm, durian wrote:
    On 2022-03-08, keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 5:46 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in >>>>>>>>>>> favour of
    your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was >>>>>>>>>> trying
    to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races >>>>>>>>>> ending
    under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and
    neither do
    you.  Maybe nobody else.

    Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.


    However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are >>>>>>>>> still
    wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a >>>>>>>>> solid
    appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that
    they should
    not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

    Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what >>>>>>>> tends
    to happen.


    Masi’s boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is >>>>>>> bent?

    There have been plenty of accusations that Masi is "Bent" and
    deliberately set out to rob Hamilton of the title.

    Why would he do that?

    Maybe because Red Bull is the only top team in recent times who've
    run Australian drivers? I've spoken to a few Aussies and they tend
    to favour RBR because of this. It's the most popular team in Aus
    from what I can see.

    A load of bullshit.

    Opinions and arseholes.... Unless you can produce data to back it up?

    Don't need to I was questioning your assertion.

    I think that whatever team Danny Ricciardo is driving for is more
    likely to be favourite.

    Yeah, even Masi couldn't wrangle it so that Dan won that last race.
    (BTW, as an Aussie I'd have thought you'd have known that Dan doesn't
    like being called "Danny".)

    I have seem posts that imply that Australians hate Hamilton, not sure
    where that comes from either.

    Hard to know. Then again as one of the last countries in the world to
    have an official whites only 'White Australia policy' (WAP), only
    rescinded in the 1970s and an abysmal record when it comes to dealing
    with native inhabitants it could be true... The WAP is after all in
    living memory.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy>

    Maybe (where ever it comes from) it is partly due to the fact that
    Hamilton was keeping RBR out of top place?

    So basically because Masi is Australian, he favours Red Bull, and hates Hamilton because he is a racist. That's not a good troll barely even an average one.



    Sounds more like Edmund ....

    geoff

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  • From News@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 11 08:50:28 2022
    On 3/10/2022 5:03 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 10/03/2022 11:43 pm, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:

    Maybe because Red Bull is the only top team in recent times who've
    run Australian drivers? I've spoken to a few Aussies and they tend to
    favour RBR because of this. It's the most popular team in Aus from
    what I can see.


    A quick search gave this.

    https://www.motorsportweek.com/2021/10/21/ferrari-no-longer-most-popular-f1-team-among-fans/


    "McLaren was the top-ranked team in the UK, US, Australia, Canada and
    Brazil, while regionally it was ranked number one in Europe."

    The combination of 2nd most popular driver Lando Norris and Daniel
    Ricciardo probably drive this choice in AUS.

    Also as F1 has started to reach more women (and they do outnumber us
    after all) this probably accounts for a lot of it. From your link:

    "A noticeable increase in popularity has been seen in female fans, with almost 50% of female participants listing McLaren as their top team to follow."


    No kidding. The high-end stroller firm?

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 11 19:58:51 2022
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 8:36:55 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:

    I'm not a troll,

    Ya right. Just the same old annoying NZ cock sucker.

    though sometimes my posts are a little edgy.

    Ya you are real fucking rebel.
    Pirating sky f1.
    Living on government hand outs.
    Crying the blues about your shithole existence.

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  • From ~misfit~@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 12 16:36:48 2022
    On 11/03/2022 10:45 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 10/03/2022 8:50 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 9/03/2022 5:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 9/03/2022 8:39 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:04 pm, durian wrote:
    On 2022-03-08, keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 5:46 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

    Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of >>>>>>>>>>> your own driver then ...

    geoff

    'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
    to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
    under a safety-car period.'

    So...

    ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

    Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do >>>>>>>>> you.  Maybe nobody else.

    Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.


    However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still >>>>>>>>> wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid >>>>>>>>> appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should
    not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

    Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends >>>>>>>> to happen.


    Masi’s boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is bent?

    There have been plenty of accusations that Masi is "Bent" and
    deliberately set out to rob Hamilton of the title.

    Why would he do that?

    Maybe because Red Bull is the only top team in recent times who've run Australian drivers? I've
    spoken to a few Aussies and they tend to favour RBR because of this. It's the most popular team
    in Aus from what I can see.

    A load of bullshit.

    Opinions and arseholes.... Unless you can produce data to back it up?

    Don't need to I was questioning your assertion.

    No, you were saying that I was wrong, not questioning anything.

    I think that whatever team Danny Ricciardo is driving for is more likely to be favourite.

    Yeah, even Masi couldn't wrangle it so that Dan won that last race. (BTW, as an Aussie I'd have
    thought you'd have known that Dan doesn't like being called "Danny".)

    I have seem posts that imply that Australians hate Hamilton, not sure where that comes from either.

    Hard to know. Then again as one of the last countries in the world to have an official whites
    only 'White Australia policy' (WAP), only rescinded in the 1970s and an abysmal record when it
    comes to dealing with native inhabitants it could be true... The WAP is after all in living memory.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy>

    Maybe (where ever it comes from) it is partly due to the fact that Hamilton was keeping RBR out
    of top place?

    So basically because Masi is Australian, he favours Red Bull, and hates Hamilton because he is a
    racist. That's not a good troll barely even an average one.

    You bought up the whole 'Aussies are seen as anti-Hamilton' thing and said you don't know why. I
    was merely offering a reason as to, if that is the case, why it /might/ be.

    I stand by my statement that, of the Aussies *I* know who follow F1 most of them support RBR.

    I'm not a troll, though sometimes my posts are a little edgy. The only time I get remotely close to
    trolling is when I'm replying to one (something I try to avoid).

    Reading back through this I see you using the words 'hate', 'hates', 'bullshit', purporting to know
    what I was trying to say and then deriding it. I think that I might have stepped in one...
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

    This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to geoff on Fri Mar 11 20:03:35 2022
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:19:59 AM UTC-7, geoff wrote:

    Sounds more like Edmund ....

    You forgot to make a reference to
    male genitalia or rectums.
    You fucking freak.

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