• THE stupidest crack from the "debate"

    From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 27 23:00:56 2023
    Sen. "Uncle Tim" Scott, dodging a question about the UAW strike:

    Biden "should be on the southern border, working to close our southern border."

    Shameless or ignorant? You be the judge.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Fri Sep 29 09:00:39 2023
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:00:57 PM UTC-7, Fascist Flea wrote:
    Sen. "Uncle Tim" Scott, dodging a question about the UAW strike:

    Biden "should be on the southern border, working to close our southern border."

    Shameless or ignorant? You be the judge.

    Meanwhile Ford just halted construction of the joint venture battery plant Biden's been bragging about as they no longer believe they can competitively produce batteries in the US.

    ScottW

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 29 11:28:04 2023
    Growling and snarling as usual...

    Sen. "Uncle Tim" Scott, dodging a question about the UAW strike:
    Biden "should be on the southern border, working to close our southern border."
    Shameless or ignorant? You be the judge.

    Meanwhile Ford just halted construction of the joint venture battery plant Biden's been bragging about as they no longer believe they can competitively produce batteries in the US.

    Trump’s 40 Biggest Broken Promises

    1. Dumpster said coronavirus would “go away without a vaccine.”
    But it didn’t. While other countries got the pandemic under control
    and avoided large numbers of fatalities, the virus has killed more
    than 170,000 Americans, and that number is still climbing.

    2. Dumpster said he won’t have time to play golf if elected president.
    But he has made more than 250 visits to his golf clubs since he took office—a record for any president—including more trips during the
    pandemic than meetings with Dr. Fauci. The total financial cost to America? More than $136 million.

    3. Dumpster said he would repeal the Affordable Care Act, and
    replace it with something “beautiful.” It didn’t happen. Instead, seven million Americans have lost their health insurance since he took
    office. Dumpster has asked the Supreme Court to strike down the law in the middle of a global pandemic with no plan to replace it.

    4. Dumpster said he’d cut your taxes, and that the super-rich like him
    would pay more. Dumpster did the opposite. By 2027, the richest 1
    percent will have received 83 percent of the Trump tax cut and the
    richest 0.1 percent, 60 percent of it. But more than half of all
    Americans will pay more in taxes.

    5. Dumpster said corporations would use their tax cuts to invest in
    American workers. They didn’t. Corporations spent more of their tax
    savings buying back shares of their own stock than increasing
    workers’ wages.

    6. Dumpster said he would boost economic growth by 4 percent a
    year. Nope. The economy stalled, and unemployment has soared to
    the highest levels since the Great Depression. Just over half of
    working-age Americans are employed—the worst ratio in 70 years.

    7. Dumpster said he wouldn’t “cut Social Security like every other Republican and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.” His
    latest budget includes billions in cuts to Social Security, Medicare,
    and Medicaid.

    8. Dumpster promised to be “the voice” of American workers.
    Dumpster hasn’t. His administration has stripped workers of their
    rights, repealed overtime protections, rolled back workplace safety
    rules, and turned a blind eye to employers who steal their workers’ wages.

    9. Dumpster promised that the average American family would see a
    $4,000 pay raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and
    corporations. But nothing trickled down. Wages for most Americans
    have barely kept up with inflation.

    10. Dumpster promised that anyone who wants a test for COVID will
    get one. But countless Americans still can’t get a test.

    11. Dumpster said hydroxychloroquine protects against coronavirus.
    No way. The FDA revoked its emergency authorization due to the
    drug’s potentially lethal side effects.

    12. Dumpster promised to eliminate the federal deficit. Dumpster has
    increased the federal deficit by more than 60 percent.

    13. Dumpster said he would hire “only the best people.” He has fired
    a record number of his own Cabinet and White House picks, and then
    called them “whackos,” “dumb as a rock,” and “not mentally qualified.” Six of them have been charged with crimes.

    14. Dumpster promised to bring down the price of prescription drugs
    and said drug companies are “getting away with murder.” They still
    are. Drug prices have soared, and a company that got federal funds to
    develop a drug to treat coronavirus is charging $3,000 a pop.

    15. Dumpster promised to revive the struggling coal industry and
    bring back lost coal mining jobs. The coal industry has continued to
    lose jobs as clean energy becomes cheaper.

    16. Dumpster promised to help American workers during the
    pandemic. But 80 percent of the tax benefits in the coronavirus
    stimulus package have gone to millionaires and billionaires. And at
    least 21 million Americans have lost extra unemployment benefits,
    with no new stimulus check to fall back on.

    17. Dumpster said he’d drain the swamp. Instead, he’s brought into
    his administration more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls
    than in any administration in history, and he’s filled departments and agencies with former lobbyists, lawyers, and consultants who are
    crafting new policies for the same industries they used to work for.

    18. Dumpster promised to protect Americans with pre-existing
    conditions. His Justice Department is trying to repeal the entire
    Affordable Care Act, including protections for people with pre-
    existing conditions.

    19. Dumpster said Mexico would pay for his border wall. The wall
    will cost American taxpayers an estimated $11 billion.

    20. Dumpster promised to bring peace to the Middle East. Instead,
    tensions have increased and his so-called “peace plan” was dead on arrival.

    21. Dumpster promised to lock up Hillary Clinton for using a private
    email server. Dumpster didn’t. Funny enough, Trump uses his
    personal cellphone for official business, and several members of his
    own administration, including Jared Kushner and Ivanka, have used
    private email in the White House.

    22. Dumpster promised to use his business experience to whip the
    federal government into shape. Dumpster hasn’t. His White House is
    in permanent chaos. Dumpster caused the longest government
    shutdown in our nation’s history when he didn’t get funding for his wall.

    23. Dumpster promised to end DACA. The Supreme Court ruled that
    his plan to deport 700,000 young immigrants was unconstitutional,
    and DACA still stands.

    24. Dumpster promised “six weeks of paid maternity leave to any
    mother with a newborn child whose employer does not provide the
    benefit.” He hasn’t delivered.

    25. Dumpster promised to bring an end to Kim Jong Un’s nuclear
    program. Kim is expanding North Korea’s nuclear program.

    26. Dumpster said he would distance himself from his businesses
    while in office. Dumpster continues to make money from his
    properties and maintain his grip on his real estate empire.

    27. Dumpster said he’d force companies to keep jobs in America, and
    that there would be consequences for companies that shipped jobs
    abroad. Since he took office, companies like GE, Carrier, Ford, and
    Harley Davidson have continued to outsource thousands of jobs while
    still receiving massive tax breaks. And offshoring by federal
    contractors has increased.

    28. Dumpster promised to end the opioid crisis. Americans are now
    more likely to die from an opioid overdose than a car accident.

    29. Dumpster said he’d release his tax returns. It’s been nearly four years. Dumpster hasn’t released his tax returns.

    30. Dumpster promised to tear up the Iran nuclear deal and
    renegotiate a better deal. Negotiations have gone nowhere, and he
    brought us to the brink of war.

    31. Dumpster promised to enact term limits for all members of
    Congress. Dumpster has not even tried to enact term limits.

    32. Dumpster promised that China would pay for tariffs on imported
    goods. His trade war has cost U.S. consumers $34 billion a year,
    eliminated 300,000 American jobs, and cost American taxpayers $22
    billion in subsidies for farmers hurt by the tariffs.

    33. Dumpster promised to “push colleges to cut the skyrocketing cost
    of tuition.” Instead, he’s made it easier for for-profit colleges to defraud students, and tuition is still rising.

    34. Dumpster promised to protect American steel jobs. The steel
    industry continues to lose jobs.

    35. Dumpster promised tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations
    would spur economic growth and pay for themselves. His tax cuts
    will add $2 trillion to the federal deficit.

    36. After pulling out of the Paris climate accord, he said he’d
    negotiate a better deal on the environment. Dumpster hasn’t attempted
    to negotiate any deal.

    37. Dumpster promised that the many women who accused him of
    sexual misconduct “will be sued after the election is over.” He hasn’t sued them, presumably because he doesn’t want the truth to come out.

    38. Dumpster promised to bring back all troops from Afghanistan.
    Dumpster now says: “We’ll always have somebody there.”

    39. Dumpster pledged to put America first. Instead, he’s deferred to dictators and authoritarians at America’s expense, and ostracized our allies—who now laugh at us behind our back.

    40. Dumpster promised to be the voice of the common people.
    Dumpster’s made his rich friends richer, increased the political power
    of big corporations and the wealthy, and harmed working Americans.

    https://prospect.org/politics/trumps-40-biggest-broken-promises/

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Sep 29 14:13:00 2023
    On 9/29/23 11:00 AM, ScottW wrote:
    Meanwhile Ford just halted construction of the joint venture battery plant Biden's been bragging about as they no longer believe they can competitively produce batteries in the US.

    No, it's a negotiating ploy to pay workers less.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 29 16:13:04 2023
    On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:13:03 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/29/23 11:00 AM, ScottW wrote:
    Meanwhile Ford just halted construction of the joint venture battery plant Biden's been bragging about as they no longer believe they can competitively produce batteries in the US.
    No, it's a negotiating ploy to pay workers less.

    Do you know what it costs to put a major construction project in progress on hold?

    You're delusional if you think that's a "ploy". And Biden's the schmuck who gave 'em the loophole
    to go offshore if need be and still get the fed tax break.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-22/billions-of-ev-battery-dollars-teeter-as-us-finalizes-biden-climate-law#xj4y7vzkg

    and then there's the whole impact of EV production on labor

    https://americafirstpolicy.com/latest/research-report-proposed-ev-mandate-would-eliminate-117000-auto-manufacturing-jobs

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Sep 29 20:18:35 2023
    On 9/29/23 6:13 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:13:03 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/29/23 11:00 AM, ScottW wrote:
    Meanwhile Ford just halted construction of the joint venture battery plant >>> Biden's been bragging about as they no longer believe they can competitively produce batteries in the US.
    No, it's a negotiating ploy to pay workers less.

    Do you know what it costs to put a major construction project in progress on hold?

    No, but maybe the UAW does:

    https://uaw.org/uaw-president-shawn-fain-statement-fords-announcement-pause-construction-marshall-ev-battery-plant/

    “This is a shameful, barely veiled threat by Ford to cut jobs. Closing
    65 plants over the last 20 years wasn’t enough for the Big Three, now
    they want to threaten us with closing plants that aren’t even open yet.
    We are simply asking for a just transition to electric vehicles and Ford
    is instead doubling down on their race to the bottom.”

    You're delusional if you think that's a "ploy". And Biden's the schmuck who gave 'em the loophole
    to go offshore if need be and still get the fed tax break.

    Then provide a domestic alternative.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-22/billions-of-ev-battery-dollars-teeter-as-us-finalizes-biden-climate-law#xj4y7vzkg

    and then there's the whole impact of EV production on labor

    https://americafirstpolicy.com/latest/research-report-proposed-ev-mandate-would-eliminate-117000-auto-manufacturing-jobs

    Opinion piece from a former Trump labor advisor. Lot's o' buzzwords
    about forcing people to buy expensive cars they don't want. If Detroit
    can all but eliminate car sales in favor of expensive SUVs and trucks
    due to government regulation, they can sell EVs.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Fri Sep 29 22:37:31 2023
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 2:00:57 AM UTC-4, Fascist Flea wrote:
    Sen. "Uncle Tim" Scott, dodging a question about the UAW strike:

    Biden "should be on the southern border, working to close our southern border."



    Assuming he can find it

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 29 22:40:14 2023
    On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 3:13:03 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/29/23 11:00 AM, ScottW wrote:
    Meanwhile Ford just halted construction of the joint venture battery plant Biden's been bragging about as they no longer believe they can competitively produce batteries in the US.
    No, it's a negotiating ploy to pay workers less.

    You are a certified IDIOT
    t cists gazoombas to stop and restart a major project.

    It's gone for good
    The only workers to be paid less are the ones who would have gotten those new jobs.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 29 22:52:56 2023
  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sat Sep 30 09:32:04 2023
    On 9/30/23 12:40 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 3:13:03 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/29/23 11:00 AM, ScottW wrote:
    Meanwhile Ford just halted construction of the joint venture battery plant >>> Biden's been bragging about as they no longer believe they can competitively produce batteries in the US.
    No, it's a negotiating ploy to pay workers less.

    t cists gazoombas to stop and restart a major project.

    It's gone for good

    https://wwmt.com/news/local/blueoval-battery-park-united-auto-workers-strike-pause-marshall-project-ford-motor-company-stellantis-general-motors-jim-farley-contract-negotiations-shawn-fain-detroit-automotive-wayne-county-east-michigan#

    "While another 7,000 union workers walked out of two plants Friday, Ford
    linked the pause on its BlueOval Battery Park project to the United Auto Workers, or UAW, strike.

    ...However, for the first time Friday, Farley linked the pause to the
    UAW's strike, saying the pause will go on while negotiations continue
    with the UAW."

    The only workers to be paid less are the ones who would have gotten those new jobs.

    They count.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sat Sep 30 09:36:09 2023
  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 2 11:18:09 2023
    The only workers to be paid less are the ones who would have gotten those new jobs.
    They count.

    As much as the potential NYC Amazon workers who would have worked at the favility AOC got cancelled.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Oct 2 14:01:17 2023
    On 10/2/23 1:18 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    The only workers to be paid less are the ones who would have gotten those new jobs.
    They count.

    As much as the potential NYC Amazon workers who would have worked at the favility AOC got cancelled.

    Hadn't you heard? Amazon moved the project to Virginia then "paused"
    most of it. Whatabout that?

    https://apnews.com/article/amazon-hq-headquarters-pause-virginia-91395dd669f011b547196575db7d5c18#

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