• Biden should be all in on this

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 26 09:05:18 2023
    And don't confuse this stack scrubbers. The tech is very different and not workable in that harsh environment.
    That's why it has it's own acronym ...DAC... Direct Air Capture.

    And I like the idea of incoporating the carbon into concrete or plastic over ground injection which just sounds so sketchy.
    We already have thousands of acres of dead and drying trees in the Mammoth Lakes area due to Co2 seeps from deep volcanic activity.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/ge-has-a-wild-plan-to-vacuum-air-pollution-right-out-of-our-skies-here-s-how-the-mind-blowing-idea-would-work/ar-AA1ajfPi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=07cc286af12647b3aec04a0df0e6bfa1&ei=18

    GE announced the successful test of its direct air capture (DAC) prototype and is planning larger-scale demonstrations in 2024.

    If this works....all the pain of shifting all the energy and transportation to renewables is wasted.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Apr 26 12:11:30 2023
    On 4/26/23 11:05 AM, ScottW wrote:
    And don't confuse this stack scrubbers. The tech is very different
    and not workable in that harsh environment. That's why it has it's
    own acronym ...DAC... Direct Air Capture.

    And I like the idea of incoporating the carbon into concrete or
    plastic over ground injection which just sounds so sketchy. We
    already have thousands of acres of dead and drying trees in the
    Mammoth Lakes area due to Co2 seeps from deep volcanic activity.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/ge-has-a-wild-plan-to-vacuum-air-pollution-right-out-of-our-skies-here-s-how-the-mind-blowing-idea-would-work/ar-AA1ajfPi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=07cc286af12647b3aec04a0df0e6bfa1&ei=18

    GE announced the successful test of its direct air capture (DAC)
    prototype and is planning larger-scale demonstrations in 2024.

    If this works....all the pain of shifting all the energy and
    transportation to renewables is wasted.

    If you're in a hole, first stop digging.

    You think operating this DAC will have no cost? I suppose you could hook
    it up directly to its power source in a closed circle.

    Too bad the first search result goes to ExxonMobil. One might reasonably
    wonder if this another fake to distract from the necessity of decarbonizing.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 26 16:30:35 2023
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:11:33 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 11:05 AM, ScottW wrote:
    And don't confuse this stack scrubbers. The tech is very different
    and not workable in that harsh environment. That's why it has it's
    own acronym ...DAC... Direct Air Capture.

    And I like the idea of incoporating the carbon into concrete or
    plastic over ground injection which just sounds so sketchy. We
    already have thousands of acres of dead and drying trees in the
    Mammoth Lakes area due to Co2 seeps from deep volcanic activity.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/ge-has-a-wild-plan-to-vacuum-air-pollution-right-out-of-our-skies-here-s-how-the-mind-blowing-idea-would-work/ar-AA1ajfPi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=07cc286af12647b3aec04a0df0e6bfa1&ei=18

    GE announced the successful test of its direct air capture (DAC)
    prototype and is planning larger-scale demonstrations in 2024.

    If this works....all the pain of shifting all the energy and transportation to renewables is wasted.
    If you're in a hole, first stop digging.

    You think operating this DAC will have no cost?

    Compared to retooling both the entire power grid and the automotive
    industry?

    I suppose you could hook
    it up directly to its power source in a closed circle.

    Too bad the first search result goes to ExxonMobil.

    I give you a link...and you still can't find it. Pathetic.

    One might reasonably
    wonder if this another fake to distract from the necessity of decarbonizing.

    It's like arguing with a religious fruitcake.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Apr 27 10:03:30 2023
    On 4/26/23 6:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:11:33 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 11:05 AM, ScottW wrote:
    And don't confuse this stack scrubbers. The tech is very
    different and not workable in that harsh environment. That's why
    it has it's own acronym ...DAC... Direct Air Capture.

    And I like the idea of incoporating the carbon into concrete or
    plastic over ground injection which just sounds so sketchy. We
    already have thousands of acres of dead and drying trees in the
    Mammoth Lakes area due to Co2 seeps from deep volcanic activity.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/ge-has-a-wild-plan-to-vacuum-air-pollution-right-out-of-our-skies-here-s-how-the-mind-blowing-idea-would-work/ar-AA1ajfPi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=07cc286af12647b3aec04a0df0e6bfa1&ei=18

    GE announced the successful test of its direct air capture (DAC)
    prototype and is planning larger-scale demonstrations in 2024.

    If this works....all the pain of shifting all the energy and
    transportation to renewables is wasted.
    If you're in a hole, first stop digging.

    You think operating this DAC will have no cost?

    Compared to retooling both the entire power grid and the automotive
    industry?

    You'll have to do that anyway to power those DACs.

    I suppose you could hook it up directly to its power source in a
    closed circle.

    Too bad the first search result goes to ExxonMobil.

    I give you a link...and you still can't find it. Pathetic.

    Who says I 'couldn't find it?'

    One might reasonably wonder if this another fake to distract from
    the necessity of decarbonizing.

    It's like arguing with a religious fruitcake.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_denial

    https://harvardpolitics.com/the-myth-of-algae-biofuels/

    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/11/897692090/how-big-oil-misled-the-public-into-believing-plastic-would-be-recycled

    And: IKYABWAI

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Apr 27 08:28:54 2023
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:05:19 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    And don't confuse this stack scrubbers. The tech is very different and not workable in that harsh environment.
    That's why it has it's own acronym ...DAC... Direct Air Capture.


    I hired the now underemployed Sam Binton to scrub my stack

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 27 19:41:30 2023
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:03:33 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 6:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:11:33 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 11:05 AM, ScottW wrote:
    And don't confuse this stack scrubbers. The tech is very
    different and not workable in that harsh environment. That's why
    it has it's own acronym ...DAC... Direct Air Capture.

    And I like the idea of incoporating the carbon into concrete or
    plastic over ground injection which just sounds so sketchy. We
    already have thousands of acres of dead and drying trees in the
    Mammoth Lakes area due to Co2 seeps from deep volcanic activity.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/ge-has-a-wild-plan-to-vacuum-air-pollution-right-out-of-our-skies-here-s-how-the-mind-blowing-idea-would-work/ar-AA1ajfPi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=07cc286af12647b3aec04a0df0e6bfa1&ei=18

    GE announced the successful test of its direct air capture (DAC)
    prototype and is planning larger-scale demonstrations in 2024.

    If this works....all the pain of shifting all the energy and
    transportation to renewables is wasted.
    If you're in a hole, first stop digging.

    You think operating this DAC will have no cost?

    Compared to retooling both the entire power grid and the automotive industry?
    You'll have to do that anyway to power those DACs.

    No you won't. They don't take up much space. They can be easily located on the grid
    and given the fossil fuel capacity they allow to keep operating we'll have power to spare.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Apr 28 07:34:04 2023
    On 4/27/23 9:41 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:03:33 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 6:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:11:33 AM UTC-7, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 4/26/23 11:05 AM, ScottW wrote:
    And don't confuse this stack scrubbers. The tech is very
    different and not workable in that harsh environment. That's
    why it has it's own acronym ...DAC... Direct Air Capture.

    And I like the idea of incoporating the carbon into concrete
    or plastic over ground injection which just sounds so
    sketchy. We already have thousands of acres of dead and
    drying trees in the Mammoth Lakes area due to Co2 seeps from
    deep volcanic activity.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/ge-has-a-wild-plan-to-vacuum-air-pollution-right-out-of-our-skies-here-s-how-the-mind-blowing-idea-would-work/ar-AA1ajfPi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=07cc286af12647b3aec04a0df0e6bfa1&ei=18


    GE announced the successful test of its direct air capture (DAC)
    prototype and is planning larger-scale demonstrations in
    2024.

    If this works....all the pain of shifting all the energy and
    transportation to renewables is wasted.
    If you're in a hole, first stop digging.

    You think operating this DAC will have no cost?

    Compared to retooling both the entire power grid and the
    automotive industry?
    You'll have to do that anyway to power those DACs.

    No you won't.
    They don't take up much space.

    What with being imaginary, I wouldn't think so. Why are they planning
    "larger scale demonstrations" if little ones are all that's needed?

    They can be easily located on the grid and given the fossil fuel capacity they allow to keep operating
    we'll have power to spare.

    Perpetual motion DACs?

    GE: “We know that to truly bring an economical, commercial-scale
    solution in DAC to the market, it will require a collaborative effort
    with government, industry, and academic partners,” Moore said. “If we do this right, we could have a commercially-deployable DAC solution around
    the end of this decade.”

    Get back to me when there's an actual product.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/25/carbon-dioxide-removal-tech-polarising-climate-science?CMP=share_btn_tw

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 28 08:21:45 2023
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:34:07 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/27/23 9:41 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:03:33 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 6:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:11:33 AM UTC-7, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 4/26/23 11:05 AM, ScottW wrote:
    And don't confuse this stack scrubbers. The tech is very
    different and not workable in that harsh environment. That's
    why it has it's own acronym ...DAC... Direct Air Capture.

    And I like the idea of incoporating the carbon into concrete
    or plastic over ground injection which just sounds so
    sketchy. We already have thousands of acres of dead and
    drying trees in the Mammoth Lakes area due to Co2 seeps from
    deep volcanic activity.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/ge-has-a-wild-plan-to-vacuum-air-pollution-right-out-of-our-skies-here-s-how-the-mind-blowing-idea-would-work/ar-AA1ajfPi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=07cc286af12647b3aec04a0df0e6bfa1&ei=18


    GE announced the successful test of its direct air capture (DAC)
    prototype and is planning larger-scale demonstrations in
    2024.

    If this works....all the pain of shifting all the energy and
    transportation to renewables is wasted.
    If you're in a hole, first stop digging.

    You think operating this DAC will have no cost?

    Compared to retooling both the entire power grid and the
    automotive industry?
    You'll have to do that anyway to power those DACs.

    No you won't.
    They don't take up much space.
    What with being imaginary, I wouldn't think so. Why are they planning "larger scale demonstrations" if little ones are all that's needed?

    Larger scale is relative to the prototype.
    Compare that to the land requirements for solar fields and wind farms.

    They can be easily located on the grid and given the fossil fuel capacity they allow to keep operating
    we'll have power to spare.
    Perpetual motion DACs?

    Nevermind, when you give morons a say on how to save the planet....we're doomed.


    GE: “We know that to truly bring an economical, commercial-scale
    solution in DAC to the market, it will require a collaborative effort
    with government, industry, and academic partners,” Moore said. “If we do this right, we could have a commercially-deployable DAC solution around
    the end of this decade.”

    Which is why I say Biden should be all in on this.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Apr 28 16:08:14 2023
    On 4/28/23 10:21 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:34:07 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/27/23 9:41 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:03:33 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 6:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:11:33 AM UTC-7, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 4/26/23 11:05 AM, ScottW wrote:
    And don't confuse this stack scrubbers. The tech is very
    different and not workable in that harsh environment. That's
    why it has it's own acronym ...DAC... Direct Air Capture.

    And I like the idea of incoporating the carbon into concrete
    or plastic over ground injection which just sounds so
    sketchy. We already have thousands of acres of dead and
    drying trees in the Mammoth Lakes area due to Co2 seeps from
    deep volcanic activity.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/ge-has-a-wild-plan-to-vacuum-air-pollution-right-out-of-our-skies-here-s-how-the-mind-blowing-idea-would-work/ar-AA1ajfPi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=07cc286af12647b3aec04a0df0e6bfa1&ei=18


    GE announced the successful test of its direct air capture (DAC) >>>>>>> prototype and is planning larger-scale demonstrations in
    2024.

    If this works....all the pain of shifting all the energy and
    transportation to renewables is wasted.
    If you're in a hole, first stop digging.

    You think operating this DAC will have no cost?

    Compared to retooling both the entire power grid and the
    automotive industry?
    You'll have to do that anyway to power those DACs.

    No you won't.
    They don't take up much space.
    What with being imaginary, I wouldn't think so. Why are they planning
    "larger scale demonstrations" if little ones are all that's needed?

    Larger scale is relative to the prototype.
    Compare that to the land requirements for solar fields and wind farms.

    Which will still be required to overcome a century of carbon release.

    They can be easily located on the grid and given the fossil fuel capacity they allow to keep operating
    we'll have power to spare.
    Perpetual motion DACs?

    Nevermind, when you give morons a say on how to save the planet....we're doomed.

    Like thinking there's no need to reduce carbon emissions?

    GE: “We know that to truly bring an economical, commercial-scale
    solution in DAC to the market, it will require a collaborative effort
    with government, industry, and academic partners,” Moore said. “If we do >> this right, we could have a commercially-deployable DAC solution around
    the end of this decade.”

    Which is why I say Biden should be all in on this.

    Like this?

    https://www.catf.us/resource/carbon-capture-provisions-in-the-inflation-reduction-act-of-2022/

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 28 20:15:43 2023
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 2:08:16 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/28/23 10:21 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:34:07 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/27/23 9:41 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:03:33 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 6:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:11:33 AM UTC-7, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 4/26/23 11:05 AM, ScottW wrote:
    And don't confuse this stack scrubbers. The tech is very
    different and not workable in that harsh environment. That's
    why it has it's own acronym ...DAC... Direct Air Capture.

    And I like the idea of incoporating the carbon into concrete
    or plastic over ground injection which just sounds so
    sketchy. We already have thousands of acres of dead and
    drying trees in the Mammoth Lakes area due to Co2 seeps from
    deep volcanic activity.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/ge-has-a-wild-plan-to-vacuum-air-pollution-right-out-of-our-skies-here-s-how-the-mind-blowing-idea-would-work/ar-AA1ajfPi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=07cc286af12647b3aec04a0df0e6bfa1&ei=18


    GE announced the successful test of its direct air capture (DAC) >>>>>>> prototype and is planning larger-scale demonstrations in
    2024.

    If this works....all the pain of shifting all the energy and
    transportation to renewables is wasted.
    If you're in a hole, first stop digging.

    You think operating this DAC will have no cost?

    Compared to retooling both the entire power grid and the
    automotive industry?
    You'll have to do that anyway to power those DACs.

    No you won't.
    They don't take up much space.
    What with being imaginary, I wouldn't think so. Why are they planning
    "larger scale demonstrations" if little ones are all that's needed?

    Larger scale is relative to the prototype.
    Compare that to the land requirements for solar fields and wind farms.
    Which will still be required to overcome a century of carbon release.

    BS... You're so f'ing clueless.
    Even this dufus doesn't have it right. https://theconversation.com/if-we-stopped-emitting-greenhouse-gases-right-now-would-we-stop-climate-change-78882

    He ignores the fact that rising ocean temps will release c02 and further increase the co2 levels created by man which will remain
    for thousands of years....unless DAC can be implemented.

    It's really the only hope. Stopping current emissions won't do it.

    They can be easily located on the grid and given the fossil fuel capacity they allow to keep operating
    we'll have power to spare.
    Perpetual motion DACs?

    Nevermind, when you give morons a say on how to save the planet....we're doomed.
    Like thinking there's no need to reduce carbon emissions?

    Like realizing that's a fools errand.

    GE: “We know that to truly bring an economical, commercial-scale
    solution in DAC to the market, it will require a collaborative effort
    with government, industry, and academic partners,” Moore said. “If we do
    this right, we could have a commercially-deployable DAC solution around >> the end of this decade.”

    Which is why I say Biden should be all in on this.
    Like this?

    https://www.catf.us/resource/carbon-capture-provisions-in-the-inflation-reduction-act-of-2022/

    You call that "all in"? A tax credit for carbon captured and stored?
    I'm thinking more like a Manhatten project. Not a lame ass profit motive. That's the kind of approach that failed on all the scrubber projects.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Apr 29 09:11:58 2023
    On 4/28/23 10:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 2:08:16 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/28/23 10:21 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:34:07 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/27/23 9:41 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:03:33 AM UTC-7, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 4/26/23 6:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:11:33 AM UTC-7,
    mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 11:05 AM, ScottW wrote:
    And don't confuse this stack scrubbers. The tech is
    very different and not workable in that harsh
    environment. That's why it has it's own acronym
    ...DAC... Direct Air Capture.

    And I like the idea of incoporating the carbon into
    concrete or plastic over ground injection which just
    sounds so sketchy. We already have thousands of acres
    of dead and drying trees in the Mammoth Lakes area
    due to Co2 seeps from deep volcanic activity.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/ge-has-a-wild-plan-to-vacuum-air-pollution-right-out-of-our-skies-here-s-how-the-mind-blowing-idea-would-work/ar-AA1ajfPi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=07cc286af12647b3aec04a0df0e6bfa1&ei=18

    If this works....all the pain of shifting all the
    energy and transportation to renewables is wasted.
    If you're in a hole, first stop digging.

    You think operating this DAC will have no cost?

    Compared to retooling both the entire power grid and the
    automotive industry?
    You'll have to do that anyway to power those DACs.

    No you won't. They don't take up much space.
    What with being imaginary, I wouldn't think so. Why are they
    planning "larger scale demonstrations" if little ones are all
    that's needed?

    Larger scale is relative to the prototype. Compare that to the
    land requirements for solar fields and wind farms.
    Which will still be required to overcome a century of carbon
    release.

    BS... You're so f'ing clueless. Even this dufus doesn't have it
    right. https://theconversation.com/if-we-stopped-emitting-greenhouse-gases-right-now-would-we-stop-climate-change-78882

    He ignores the fact that rising ocean temps will release c02 and
    further increase the co2 levels created by man which will remain for thousands of years....unless DAC can be implemented.

    You cite someone in order to say he doesn't talk about your idea?

    It's really the only hope. Stopping current emissions won't do it.

    Way to go from "no problem" to "no use." Republicans need to pick a lane.

    They can be easily located on the grid and given the fossil
    fuel capacity they allow to keep operating we'll have power
    to spare.
    Perpetual motion DACs?

    Nevermind, when you give morons a say on how to save the
    planet....we're doomed.
    Like thinking there's no need to reduce carbon emissions?

    Like realizing that's a fools errand.

    Stop digging.

    GE: “We know that to truly bring an economical,
    commercial-scale solution in DAC to the market, it will require
    a collaborative effort with government, industry, and academic
    partners,” Moore said. “If we do this right, we could have a
    commercially-deployable DAC solution around the end of this
    decade.”

    Which is why I say Biden should be all in on this.
    Like this?

    https://www.catf.us/resource/carbon-capture-provisions-in-the-inflation-reduction-act-of-2022/


    You call that "all in"? A tax credit for carbon captured and
    stored? I'm thinking more like a Manhatten project. Not a lame ass
    profit motive. That's the kind of approach that failed on all the
    scrubber projects.

    Republicans control the House, so this a great time for such a proposal:

    https://kevinmccarthy.house.gov/contact/offices

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 29 09:13:05 2023
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 7:12:01 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/28/23 10:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 2:08:16 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/28/23 10:21 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:34:07 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/27/23 9:41 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:03:33 AM UTC-7, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 4/26/23 6:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:11:33 AM UTC-7,
    mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 11:05 AM, ScottW wrote:
    And don't confuse this stack scrubbers. The tech is
    very different and not workable in that harsh
    environment. That's why it has it's own acronym
    ...DAC... Direct Air Capture.

    And I like the idea of incoporating the carbon into
    concrete or plastic over ground injection which just
    sounds so sketchy. We already have thousands of acres
    of dead and drying trees in the Mammoth Lakes area
    due to Co2 seeps from deep volcanic activity.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/ge-has-a-wild-plan-to-vacuum-air-pollution-right-out-of-our-skies-here-s-how-the-mind-blowing-idea-would-work/ar-AA1ajfPi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=07cc286af12647b3aec04a0df0e6bfa1&ei=18
    If this works....all the pain of shifting all the
    energy and transportation to renewables is wasted.
    If you're in a hole, first stop digging.

    You think operating this DAC will have no cost?

    Compared to retooling both the entire power grid and the
    automotive industry?
    You'll have to do that anyway to power those DACs.

    No you won't. They don't take up much space.
    What with being imaginary, I wouldn't think so. Why are they
    planning "larger scale demonstrations" if little ones are all
    that's needed?

    Larger scale is relative to the prototype. Compare that to the
    land requirements for solar fields and wind farms.
    Which will still be required to overcome a century of carbon
    release.

    BS... You're so f'ing clueless. Even this dufus doesn't have it
    right. https://theconversation.com/if-we-stopped-emitting-greenhouse-gases-right-now-would-we-stop-climate-change-78882

    He ignores the fact that rising ocean temps will release c02 and
    further increase the co2 levels created by man which will remain for thousands of years....unless DAC can be implemented.
    You cite someone in order to say he doesn't talk about your idea?
    It's really the only hope. Stopping current emissions won't do it.
    Way to go from "no problem" to "no use." Republicans need to pick a lane.

    I'm trying to help you out....cuz you suck at both making a case for a problem and then putting forth a solution.
    Then again....it's your formula for racism all over again...and again...and again.
    And it just keeps getting worse.

    They can be easily located on the grid and given the fossil
    fuel capacity they allow to keep operating we'll have power
    to spare.
    Perpetual motion DACs?

    Nevermind, when you give morons a say on how to save the
    planet....we're doomed.
    Like thinking there's no need to reduce carbon emissions?

    Like realizing that's a fools errand.
    Stop digging.
    GE: “We know that to truly bring an economical,
    commercial-scale solution in DAC to the market, it will require
    a collaborative effort with government, industry, and academic
    partners,” Moore said. “If we do this right, we could have a
    commercially-deployable DAC solution around the end of this
    decade.”

    Which is why I say Biden should be all in on this.
    Like this?

    https://www.catf.us/resource/carbon-capture-provisions-in-the-inflation-reduction-act-of-2022/


    You call that "all in"? A tax credit for carbon captured and
    stored? I'm thinking more like a Manhatten project. Not a lame ass
    profit motive. That's the kind of approach that failed on all the
    scrubber projects.
    Republicans control the House, so this a great time for such a proposal:

    You control the senate and it's your party that says we're all gonna die
    from tipping.

    And your plan doesn't have a prayer of working.
    It doesn't even claim to meet IPCC requirements.
    Even your beloved Paris Accords didn't claim to meet the need.
    It's almost like you WANT to
    put massive numbers of more people in poverty and on gov't handouts
    with a failing Climate Change program.

    BTW....got a new homeless camp sprung up around the corner.
    But this one's different. Not occupied by obvious drug addicts but appears to be occupied by migrants and it's got some gangster looking dudes
    wandering about policing the occupants. Very weird.
    A way station for migrant trafficking in the middle of town here?

    Thanks Joe.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Apr 29 14:05:22 2023
    On 4/29/23 11:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 7:12:01 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/28/23 10:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 2:08:16 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/28/23 10:21 AM, ScottW wrote:

    https://theconversation.com/if-we-stopped-emitting-greenhouse-gases-right-now-would-we-stop-climate-change-78882



    He ignores the fact that rising ocean temps will release c02 and
    further increase the co2 levels created by man which will remain
    for thousands of years....unless DAC can be implemented.
    You cite someone in order to say he doesn't talk about your idea?
    It's really the only hope. Stopping current emissions won't do
    it.
    Way to go from "no problem" to "no use." Republicans need to pick a
    lane.

    I'm trying to help you out....cuz you suck at both making a case for
    a problem and then putting forth a solution.

    The case is made and I'm not responsible to provide the solution.

    Then again....it's your formula for racism all over again...and
    again...and again. And it just keeps getting worse.

    Climate change? Racism? Your formula would have to include muddying the
    waters instead of clarifying.

    They can be easily located on the grid and given the
    fossil fuel capacity they allow to keep operating we'll
    have power to spare.
    Perpetual motion DACs?

    Nevermind, when you give morons a say on how to save the
    planet....we're doomed.
    Like thinking there's no need to reduce carbon emissions?

    Like realizing that's a fools errand.
    Stop digging.
    GE: “We know that to truly bring an economical,
    commercial-scale solution in DAC to the market, it will
    require a collaborative effort with government, industry,
    and academic partners,” Moore said. “If we do this right,
    we could have a commercially-deployable DAC solution around
    the end of this decade.”

    Which is why I say Biden should be all in on this.
    Like this?

    https://www.catf.us/resource/carbon-capture-provisions-in-the-inflation-reduction-act-of-2022/


    You call that "all in"? A tax credit for carbon captured and
    stored? I'm thinking more like a Manhatten project. Not a lame
    ass profit motive. That's the kind of approach that failed on all
    the scrubber projects.
    Republicans control the House, so this a great time for such a
    proposal:

    You control the senate and it's your party that says we're all gonna
    die from tipping.

    And your plan doesn't have a prayer of working.

    Not by itself.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/inflation-reduction-act-direct-pay/

    You've pointed out the problems with tax credits. This is one way around
    that.

    It doesn't even claim to meet IPCC requirements. Even your beloved
    Paris Accords didn't claim to meet the need. It's almost like you
    WANT to put massive numbers of more people in poverty and on gov't
    handouts with a failing Climate Change program.

    No, it's like I don't think that's an inevitable consequence of acting.
    Not acting, OTOH, is sure to cause upheaval, poverty and distress.

    BTW....got a new homeless camp sprung up around the corner. But this
    one's different. Not occupied by obvious drug addicts but appears
    to be occupied by migrants and it's got some gangster looking dudes
    wandering about policing the occupants. Very weird. A way station
    for migrant trafficking in the middle of town here?

    If you don't set up a better process for dealing with the problem, the solutions that emerge might not be to your liking. You could put the
    coyotes out of business if there were a reasonable immigration process.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 30 08:34:46 2023
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 12:05:25 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/29/23 11:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 7:12:01 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/28/23 10:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 2:08:16 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/28/23 10:21 AM, ScottW wrote:

    https://theconversation.com/if-we-stopped-emitting-greenhouse-gases-right-now-would-we-stop-climate-change-78882



    He ignores the fact that rising ocean temps will release c02 and
    further increase the co2 levels created by man which will remain
    for thousands of years....unless DAC can be implemented.
    You cite someone in order to say he doesn't talk about your idea?
    It's really the only hope. Stopping current emissions won't do
    it.
    Way to go from "no problem" to "no use." Republicans need to pick a
    lane.

    I'm trying to help you out....cuz you suck at both making a case for
    a problem and then putting forth a solution.
    The case is made and I'm not responsible to provide the solution.

    As Yoda would say...."You will be. You will be."


    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Apr 30 12:44:38 2023
    On 4/30/23 10:34 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 12:05:25 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/29/23 11:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 7:12:01 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/28/23 10:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 2:08:16 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/28/23 10:21 AM, ScottW wrote:

    https://theconversation.com/if-we-stopped-emitting-greenhouse-gases-right-now-would-we-stop-climate-change-78882



    He ignores the fact that rising ocean temps will release c02 and
    further increase the co2 levels created by man which will remain
    for thousands of years....unless DAC can be implemented.
    You cite someone in order to say he doesn't talk about your idea?
    It's really the only hope. Stopping current emissions won't do
    it.
    Way to go from "no problem" to "no use." Republicans need to pick a
    lane.

    I'm trying to help you out....cuz you suck at both making a case for
    a problem and then putting forth a solution.

    Keep reading.

    The case is made and I'm not responsible to provide the solution.

    As Yoda would say...."You will be. You will be."

    Not "Be, you will"? Either way, not.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 30 11:00:43 2023
    On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:44:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/30/23 10:34 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 12:05:25 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/29/23 11:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 7:12:01 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/28/23 10:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 2:08:16 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/28/23 10:21 AM, ScottW wrote:

    https://theconversation.com/if-we-stopped-emitting-greenhouse-gases-right-now-would-we-stop-climate-change-78882



    He ignores the fact that rising ocean temps will release c02 and
    further increase the co2 levels created by man which will remain
    for thousands of years....unless DAC can be implemented.
    You cite someone in order to say he doesn't talk about your idea?
    It's really the only hope. Stopping current emissions won't do
    it.
    Way to go from "no problem" to "no use." Republicans need to pick a >>>> lane.

    I'm trying to help you out....cuz you suck at both making a case for
    a problem and then putting forth a solution.
    Keep reading.
    The case is made and I'm not responsible to provide the solution.

    As Yoda would say...."You will be. You will be."
    Not "Be, you will"? Either way, not.

    So no price to be paid. I guess we can all forget about AGW.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Apr 30 14:00:32 2023
    On 4/30/23 1:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:44:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/30/23 10:34 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 12:05:25 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/29/23 11:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 7:12:01 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/28/23 10:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 2:08:16 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 4/28/23 10:21 AM, ScottW wrote:

    https://theconversation.com/if-we-stopped-emitting-greenhouse-gases-right-now-would-we-stop-climate-change-78882



    He ignores the fact that rising ocean temps will release c02 and
    further increase the co2 levels created by man which will remain >>>>>>> for thousands of years....unless DAC can be implemented.
    You cite someone in order to say he doesn't talk about your idea? >>>>>>> It's really the only hope. Stopping current emissions won't do
    it.
    Way to go from "no problem" to "no use." Republicans need to pick a >>>>>> lane.

    I'm trying to help you out....cuz you suck at both making a case for >>>>> a problem and then putting forth a solution.
    Keep reading.
    The case is made and I'm not responsible to provide the solution.

    As Yoda would say...."You will be. You will be."
    Not "Be, you will"? Either way, not.

    So no price to be paid. I guess we can all forget about AGW.

    Leap to conclusions, you will.

    Back to your expert, I see it's dated 2017. Let's see who he is...

    Richard B. (Ricky) Rood. Good enough. I don't see a case for not cutting
    back on carbon emissions:

    "There are many reasons we need to eliminate our carbon dioxide emissions...

    [O]ur job becomes one of limiting the warming. If greenhouse gas
    emissions are eliminated quickly enough, within a small number of
    decades, it will keep the warming manageable and the Paris Agreement
    goals could be met."

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 30 17:57:57 2023
    On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 12:00:38 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/30/23 1:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:44:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/30/23 10:34 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 12:05:25 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/29/23 11:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 7:12:01 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 4/28/23 10:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 2:08:16 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 4/28/23 10:21 AM, ScottW wrote:

    https://theconversation.com/if-we-stopped-emitting-greenhouse-gases-right-now-would-we-stop-climate-change-78882



    He ignores the fact that rising ocean temps will release c02 and >>>>>>> further increase the co2 levels created by man which will remain >>>>>>> for thousands of years....unless DAC can be implemented.
    You cite someone in order to say he doesn't talk about your idea? >>>>>>> It's really the only hope. Stopping current emissions won't do >>>>>>> it.
    Way to go from "no problem" to "no use." Republicans need to pick a >>>>>> lane.

    I'm trying to help you out....cuz you suck at both making a case for >>>>> a problem and then putting forth a solution.
    Keep reading.
    The case is made and I'm not responsible to provide the solution.

    As Yoda would say...."You will be. You will be."
    Not "Be, you will"? Either way, not.

    So no price to be paid. I guess we can all forget about AGW.
    Leap to conclusions, you will.

    "I'm not responsible to provide the solution."
    You're just a ride along.

    Back to your expert,

    my expert? I already said he wasn't considering all the factors
    and even then he accepts that warming will continue for decades
    even after Co2 level increase stops.
    And that's not happening anytime soon.

    I see it's dated 2017. Let's see who he is...

    Richard B. (Ricky) Rood. Good enough. I don't see a case for not cutting back on carbon emissions:

    "There are many reasons we need to eliminate our carbon dioxide emissions...

    [O]ur job becomes one of limiting the warming. If greenhouse gas
    emissions are eliminated quickly enough, within a small number of
    decades, it will keep the warming manageable and the Paris Agreement
    goals could be met."

    Which is a joke. Will the Paris accord goals keep us below 1.5c and
    possible tipping points? Not according to the IPCC, not even close.

    But you keep pushing non-solutions...cuz you're not responsible.

    ScottW

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