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  • Boeing screwed by outsourcing

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 16 16:04:17 2023
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/looking-back-boeing-repeatedly-burned-by-outsourcing/ar-AA19U9gZ

    This story sounds so familiar as every big tech company I worked in were all outsourcing as much as possible no matter how many failures they suffered as a result.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Apr 17 09:32:51 2023
    On 4/16/23 6:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/looking-back-boeing-repeatedly-burned-by-outsourcing/ar-AA19U9gZ

    This story sounds so familiar as every big tech company I worked in
    were all outsourcing as much as possible no matter how many failures
    they suffered as a result.
    Outsourcing design worked so well why not production?

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 17 18:52:17 2023
    On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 7:32:54 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/16/23 6:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/looking-back-boeing-repeatedly-burned-by-outsourcing/ar-AA19U9gZ

    This story sounds so familiar as every big tech company I worked in
    were all outsourcing as much as possible no matter how many failures
    they suffered as a result.
    Outsourcing design worked so well why not production?

    Certainly makes more sense for production than design.
    The biggest problem with outsourcing is once you've started down that path... you're really committed to it. It's almost impossible to go back.
    The bean counters will always be looking at lowest cost solution
    on paper and outsourcing is always cheaper on paper...until it fails. Then...outsourcing the fix will still be cheaper....until that fails
    but outsourcing again is still cheaper than establishing the ability in house until if fails. But all the failures are in the past and we're looking at the cost model of the future...and that still demands outsourcing.

    We will live in "interesting times" if China invades Taiwan and the greatest outsourcing experiment of them all suddenly implodes as TSMC collapses.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Apr 18 09:31:28 2023
    On 4/17/23 8:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 7:32:54 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/16/23 6:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/looking-back-boeing-repeatedly-burned-by-outsourcing/ar-AA19U9gZ

    This story sounds so familiar as every big tech company I worked in >>> were all outsourcing as much as possible no matter how many
    failures they suffered as a result.
    Outsourcing design worked so well why not production?

    Certainly makes more sense for production than design.

    It should work, given enough quality control.

    The biggest problem with outsourcing is once you've started down that
    path... you're really committed to it. It's almost impossible to go
    back. The bean counters will always be looking at lowest cost
    solution on paper and outsourcing is always cheaper on paper...until
    it fails. Then...outsourcing the fix will still be cheaper....until
    that fails but outsourcing again is still cheaper than establishing
    the ability in house until if fails. But all the failures are in the
    past and we're looking at the cost model of the future...and that
    still demands outsourcing.

    Maybe there's a fundamental problem with the current business model of
    maximum return on investment.

    We will live in "interesting times" if China invades Taiwan and the
    greatest outsourcing experiment of them all suddenly implodes as TSMC collapses.

    And no more functionally perfect DACS for spare change for audiophiles.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 18 16:00:25 2023
    On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:31:33 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/17/23 8:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 7:32:54 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/16/23 6:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/looking-back-boeing-repeatedly-burned-by-outsourcing/ar-AA19U9gZ

    This story sounds so familiar as every big tech company I worked in >>> were all outsourcing as much as possible no matter how many
    failures they suffered as a result.
    Outsourcing design worked so well why not production?

    Certainly makes more sense for production than design.
    It should work, given enough quality control.

    You sound like a dumbass bean counter now.

    The biggest problem with outsourcing is once you've started down that path... you're really committed to it. It's almost impossible to go
    back. The bean counters will always be looking at lowest cost
    solution on paper and outsourcing is always cheaper on paper...until
    it fails. Then...outsourcing the fix will still be cheaper....until
    that fails but outsourcing again is still cheaper than establishing
    the ability in house until if fails. But all the failures are in the
    past and we're looking at the cost model of the future...and that
    still demands outsourcing.
    Maybe there's a fundamental problem with the current business model of maximum return on investment.

    As if you get to redefine capitalism.

    We will live in "interesting times" if China invades Taiwan and the greatest outsourcing experiment of them all suddenly implodes as TSMC collapses.
    And no more functionally perfect DACS for spare change for audiophiles.

    I think that will be among the least of our problems.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Apr 18 22:24:40 2023
    On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:00:26 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:31:33 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/17/23 8:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 7:32:54 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/16/23 6:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/looking-back-boeing-repeatedly-burned-by-outsourcing/ar-AA19U9gZ

    This story sounds so familiar as every big tech company I worked in >>> were all outsourcing as much as possible no matter how many
    failures they suffered as a result.
    Outsourcing design worked so well why not production?

    Certainly makes more sense for production than design.
    It should work, given enough quality control.
    You sound like a dumbass bean counter now.
    The biggest problem with outsourcing is once you've started down that path... you're really committed to it. It's almost impossible to go back. The bean counters will always be looking at lowest cost
    solution on paper and outsourcing is always cheaper on paper...until
    it fails. Then...outsourcing the fix will still be cheaper....until
    that fails but outsourcing again is still cheaper than establishing
    the ability in house until if fails. But all the failures are in the past and we're looking at the cost model of the future...and that
    still demands outsourcing.
    Maybe there's a fundamental problem with the current business model of maximum return on investment.
    As if you get to redefine capitalism.


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    They result in perfect equity. Everybody has very little, and suffers equally. A race to the bottom.

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Apr 19 15:31:00 2023
    On 17/04/2023 9:04 am, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/looking-back-boeing-repeatedly-burned-by-outsourcing/ar-AA19U9gZ

    This story sounds so familiar as every big tech company I worked in were all outsourcing as much as possible no matter how many failures they suffered as a result.

    ScottW

    **Japanese companies have outsourced their production for decades. Even companies as big and successful as Toyota:

    http://artoflean.com/index.php/2014/01/07/444/

    It just has to be done right. Toyota and most other large Japanese
    companies can teach Western nations how it can be done.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Apr 19 11:34:55 2023
    On 4/18/23 6:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:31:33 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/17/23 8:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 7:32:54 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/16/23 6:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/looking-back-boeing-repeatedly-burned-by-outsourcing/ar-AA19U9gZ

    This story sounds so familiar as every big tech company I worked in >>> were all outsourcing as much as possible no matter how many
    failures they suffered as a result.
    Outsourcing design worked so well why not production?

    Certainly makes more sense for production than design.
    It should work, given enough quality control.

    You sound like a dumbass bean counter now.

    It couldn't be a milder business truism.

    The biggest problem with outsourcing is once you've started down that
    path... you're really committed to it. It's almost impossible to go
    back. The bean counters will always be looking at lowest cost
    solution on paper and outsourcing is always cheaper on paper...until
    it fails. Then...outsourcing the fix will still be cheaper....until
    that fails but outsourcing again is still cheaper than establishing
    the ability in house until if fails. But all the failures are in the
    past and we're looking at the cost model of the future...and that
    still demands outsourcing.
    Maybe there's a fundamental problem with the current business model of
    maximum return on investment.

    As if you get to redefine capitalism.

    Capitalism is not above criticism.

    We will live in "interesting times" if China invades Taiwan and the
    greatest outsourcing experiment of them all suddenly implodes as TSMC
    collapses.
    And no more functionally perfect DACS for spare change for audiophiles.

    I think that will be among the least of our problems.

    You picked up on that? Good for you.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Wed Apr 19 10:23:14 2023
    On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:31:03 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 17/04/2023 9:04 am, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/looking-back-boeing-repeatedly-burned-by-outsourcing/ar-AA19U9gZ

    This story sounds so familiar as every big tech company I worked in were all outsourcing as much as possible no matter how many failures they suffered as a result.

    ScottW
    **Japanese companies have outsourced their production for decades. Even companies as big and successful as Toyota:

    http://artoflean.com/index.php/2014/01/07/444/

    My security says Trevor's link is too dangerous and blocked access.

    But Toyota often takes over a company to use them in their Toyota family.
    They become defacto run by Toyota.
    Toyota usually does this to accommodate trade requirements.

    ScottW

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