• Summary judgment for Dominion

    From mINE109@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 1 08:32:25 2023
    Law&Crime: “While the Court must view the record in the light most
    favorable to Fox, the record does not show a genuine issue of material
    fact as to falsity,” Davis wrote in his ruling. “Through its extensive proof, Dominion has met its burden of showing there is no genuine issue
    of material fact as to falsity. Fox therefore had the burden to show an
    issue of material fact existed in turn. Fox failed to meet its burden.
    The evidence developed in this civil proceeding demonstrates that is
    CRYSTAL clear that none of the Statements relating to Dominion about the
    2020 election are true.”

    This is the level at which the judge must give the greatest possible
    credence to the defense argument.

    The trial will decide the issue of malice.

    “Actual malice can be proven ‘through the defendant’s own actions or statements,'” the judge noted in his ruling. “But actual malice can also
    be determined through the subjective determination of whether the
    defendant entertained serious doubts as to the truth of the statement,
    which can be proven by inference.”

    The ruling:

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23736885/dominion-v-fox-summary-judgment.pdf

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 1 10:28:17 2023
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 6:32:28 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    Law&Crime: “While the Court must view the record in the light most favorable to Fox, the record does not show a genuine issue of material
    fact as to falsity,” Davis wrote in his ruling. “Through its extensive proof, Dominion has met its burden of showing there is no genuine issue
    of material fact as to falsity. Fox therefore had the burden to show an issue of material fact existed in turn. Fox failed to meet its burden.
    The evidence developed in this civil proceeding demonstrates that is
    CRYSTAL clear that none of the Statements relating to Dominion about the 2020 election are true.”

    This is the level at which the judge must give the greatest possible credence to the defense argument.

    The trial will decide the issue of malice.

    “Actual malice can be proven ‘through the defendant’s own actions or statements,'” the judge noted in his ruling. “But actual malice can also be determined through the subjective determination of whether the
    defendant entertained serious doubts as to the truth of the statement,
    which can be proven by inference.”

    The ruling:

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23736885/dominion-v-fox-summary-judgment.pdf

    If Fox loses a big award, the lawyers will have a field day with CNN and MSNBC. Even 60 minutes will be f'd.

    But I see a silver lining. the dem party talking heads and former officials will
    be forced to the sidelines if networks are held accountable for their lying ass BS.

    ScottW

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 1 10:48:19 2023
    A certain Shmoo is mainlining MAGAnoia syrup.

    If Fox loses a big award, the lawyers will have a field day with CNN and MSNBC.
    Even 60 minutes will be f'd.

    Once again, I wonder if you are stating your sincere beliefs, or
    if you're just trying to be a troll. Your intent is obscured by the
    dense cloud of delusions, propaganda, disinformation, and
    MAGA-lies that fill your tiny mind.

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 2 04:24:22 2023
    On 2/04/2023 12:32 am, mINE109 wrote:
    Law&Crime: “While the Court must view the record in the light most favorable to Fox, the record does not show a genuine issue of material
    fact as to falsity,” Davis wrote in his ruling. “Through its extensive proof, Dominion has met its burden of showing there is no genuine issue
    of material fact as to falsity. Fox therefore had the burden to show an
    issue of material fact existed in turn. Fox failed to meet its burden.
    The evidence developed in this civil proceeding demonstrates that is
    CRYSTAL clear that none of the Statements relating to Dominion about the
    2020 election are true.”

    This is the level at which the judge must give the greatest possible
    credence to the defense argument.

    The trial will decide the issue of malice.

    “Actual malice can be proven ‘through the defendant’s own actions or statements,'” the judge noted in his ruling. “But actual malice can also be determined through the subjective determination of whether the
    defendant entertained serious doubts as to the truth of the statement,
    which can be proven by inference.”

    The ruling:

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23736885/dominion-v-fox-summary-judgment.pdf

    **That is good news. Let's hope FOX is brought into line and is forced
    to publish facts in future.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Apr 1 16:09:51 2023
    On 4/1/23 12:28 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 6:32:28 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    Law&Crime: “While the Court must view the record in the light most
    favorable to Fox, the record does not show a genuine issue of material
    fact as to falsity,” Davis wrote in his ruling. “Through its extensive >> proof, Dominion has met its burden of showing there is no genuine issue
    of material fact as to falsity. Fox therefore had the burden to show an
    issue of material fact existed in turn. Fox failed to meet its burden.
    The evidence developed in this civil proceeding demonstrates that is
    CRYSTAL clear that none of the Statements relating to Dominion about the
    2020 election are true.”

    This is the level at which the judge must give the greatest possible
    credence to the defense argument.

    The trial will decide the issue of malice.

    “Actual malice can be proven ‘through the defendant’s own actions or >> statements,'” the judge noted in his ruling. “But actual malice can also >> be determined through the subjective determination of whether the
    defendant entertained serious doubts as to the truth of the statement,
    which can be proven by inference.”

    The ruling:

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23736885/dominion-v-fox-summary-judgment.pdf

    If Fox loses a big award, the lawyers will have a field day with CNN and MSNBC.
    Even 60 minutes will be f'd.

    I don't see the long-standing pattern of airing known untruths as shown
    by Fox at those other outlets.
    But I see a silver lining. the dem party talking heads and former officials will
    be forced to the sidelines if networks are held accountable for their lying ass BS.

    I see you didn't understand my recent point about the right not
    understanding that the media is basically fact-based.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 1 17:16:39 2023
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 5:09:54 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/1/23 12:28 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 6:32:28 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    Law&Crime: “While the Court must view the record in the light most
    favorable to Fox, the record does not show a genuine issue of material
    fact as to falsity,” Davis wrote in his ruling. “Through its extensive
    proof, Dominion has met its burden of showing there is no genuine issue >> of material fact as to falsity. Fox therefore had the burden to show an >> issue of material fact existed in turn. Fox failed to meet its burden.
    The evidence developed in this civil proceeding demonstrates that is
    CRYSTAL clear that none of the Statements relating to Dominion about the >> 2020 election are true.”

    This is the level at which the judge must give the greatest possible
    credence to the defense argument.

    The trial will decide the issue of malice.

    “Actual malice can be proven ‘through the defendant’s own actions or
    statements,'” the judge noted in his ruling. “But actual malice can also
    be determined through the subjective determination of whether the
    defendant entertained serious doubts as to the truth of the statement,
    which can be proven by inference.”

    The ruling:

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23736885/dominion-v-fox-summary-judgment.pdf

    If Fox loses a big award, the lawyers will have a field day with CNN and MSNBC.
    Even 60 minutes will be f'd.
    I don't see the long-standing pattern of airing known untruths as shown
    by Fox at those other outlets.
    But I see a silver lining. the dem party talking heads and former officials will
    be forced to the sidelines if networks are held accountable for their lying ass BS.
    I see you didn't understand my recent point about the right not understanding that the media is basically fact-based.

    with a few "minor" exceptions

    Steele dossier
    Wuhan lab leak
    Nick Sandman
    Trump collusion
    UVA rape story
    Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Apr 2 07:04:57 2023
    On 4/1/23 7:16 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    I see you didn't understand my recent point about the right not
    understanding that the media is basically fact-based.

    with a few "minor" exceptions

    Yes, they make mistakes. The point is their underlying philosophy.

    And, yes, those are very minor exceptions other than the Trump stuff for
    which I will again refer you to the Mueller and Senate reports.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 2 09:15:16 2023
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:09:54 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/1/23 12:28 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 6:32:28 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    Law&Crime: “While the Court must view the record in the light most
    favorable to Fox, the record does not show a genuine issue of material
    fact as to falsity,” Davis wrote in his ruling. “Through its extensive
    proof, Dominion has met its burden of showing there is no genuine issue >> of material fact as to falsity. Fox therefore had the burden to show an >> issue of material fact existed in turn. Fox failed to meet its burden.
    The evidence developed in this civil proceeding demonstrates that is
    CRYSTAL clear that none of the Statements relating to Dominion about the >> 2020 election are true.”

    This is the level at which the judge must give the greatest possible
    credence to the defense argument.

    The trial will decide the issue of malice.

    “Actual malice can be proven ‘through the defendant’s own actions or
    statements,'” the judge noted in his ruling. “But actual malice can also
    be determined through the subjective determination of whether the
    defendant entertained serious doubts as to the truth of the statement,
    which can be proven by inference.”

    The ruling:

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23736885/dominion-v-fox-summary-judgment.pdf

    If Fox loses a big award, the lawyers will have a field day with CNN and MSNBC.
    Even 60 minutes will be f'd.
    I don't see the long-standing pattern of airing known untruths as shown
    by Fox at those other outlets.

    Of course you don't. And you never will.

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 2 09:19:15 2023
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 5:05:03 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/1/23 7:16 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    I see you didn't understand my recent point about the right not
    understanding that the media is basically fact-based.

    with a few "minor" exceptions
    Yes, they make mistakes. The point is their underlying philosophy.

    It took discovery for you to claim to know Fox underlying philosophy.

    Maybe you can watch this to see how CNN was doing it.

    https://www.movieguide.org/news-articles/project-veritas-secretly-records-cnn-conference-calls-reveals-networks-dishonesty.html

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Apr 2 12:57:45 2023
    On 4/2/23 11:15 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:09:54 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/1/23 12:28 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 6:32:28 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    Law&Crime: “While the Court must view the record in the light most
    favorable to Fox, the record does not show a genuine issue of material >>>> fact as to falsity,” Davis wrote in his ruling. “Through its extensive >>>> proof, Dominion has met its burden of showing there is no genuine issue >>>> of material fact as to falsity. Fox therefore had the burden to show an >>>> issue of material fact existed in turn. Fox failed to meet its burden. >>>> The evidence developed in this civil proceeding demonstrates that is
    CRYSTAL clear that none of the Statements relating to Dominion about the >>>> 2020 election are true.”

    This is the level at which the judge must give the greatest possible
    credence to the defense argument.

    The trial will decide the issue of malice.

    “Actual malice can be proven ‘through the defendant’s own actions or >>>> statements,'” the judge noted in his ruling. “But actual malice can also
    be determined through the subjective determination of whether the
    defendant entertained serious doubts as to the truth of the statement, >>>> which can be proven by inference.”

    The ruling:

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23736885/dominion-v-fox-summary-judgment.pdf

    If Fox loses a big award, the lawyers will have a field day with CNN and MSNBC.
    Even 60 minutes will be f'd.
    I don't see the long-standing pattern of airing known untruths as shown
    by Fox at those other outlets.

    Of course you don't. And you never will.

    Perhaps not. But for Fox, it's a ruling of fact that they did air know untruths.

    And just to forestall a possible future dumb argument:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/malice

    "In criminal law, indicates the intention, without justification or
    excuse, to commit an act that is unlawful."

    This differs from the dictionary definition "desire to cause pain,
    injury, or distress to another" applicable to soap operas and mean girls.

    See also, "mens rea."

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Apr 2 13:17:11 2023
    On 4/2/23 11:19 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 5:05:03 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/1/23 7:16 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    I see you didn't understand my recent point about the right not
    understanding that the media is basically fact-based.

    with a few "minor" exceptions
    Yes, they make mistakes. The point is their underlying philosophy.

    It took discovery for you to claim to know Fox underlying philosophy.

    Nonsense. I brought this "traditional" vs Fox ethos up a month ago.

    OTOH, now that there's discovery, it's not just a matter of opinion.

    Maybe you can watch this to see how CNN was doing it.

    https://www.movieguide.org/news-articles/project-veritas-secretly-records-cnn-conference-calls-reveals-networks-dishonesty.html

    You love to tee those guys up, don't you?

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/project-veritas-cnn-sting-uncovers-explosive-news-that-tucker-carlson-is-racist

    https://www.movieguide.org/news-articles/federal-judge-dismisses-lawsuit-against-cnn-by-project-veritas.html

    Why not cover the Hunter Biden 'laptop'?

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/christopherm51/andriy-derkach-sanctioned-ukrainian

    "The Trump administration on Thursday blacklisted four Russia-linked individuals for attempting to influence the US election, including a
    Ukrainian lawmaker it called “an active Russian agent” who has helped
    Rudy Giuliani dig up dirt on Joe Biden."

    https://static.rusi.org/202303-SR-Unconventional-Operations-Russo-Ukrainian-War-web-final.pdf.pdf


    Derkach’s first exposure as a Russian agent emerged when he participated
    in campaigns of covert influence aimed at undermining relations between
    Ukraine and the US. Thus, in 2019–20, Derkach made public several
    documents (most probably forged), as well as audio recordings of
    President Petro Poroshenko’s conversations with then US Vice-President
    Joe Biden and Russian President Vladimir Putin, which suggested the
    presence of systematic US interference in the internal politics of
    Ukraine, and implied corrupt actions by high-ranking US officials in
    Ukraine.17 In 2020–21, the US Treasury Department imposed sanctions
    against Andriy Derkach for participating in a Russian foreign influence network,18 organising a disinformation campaign and meddling in US
    elections. According to the US government, at that time Derkach had been
    a Russian agent for over 10 years...

    In June 2022, the SBU made public the Derkach network, seizing a range
    of documents and outlining its assigned tasks. It appears that Derkach
    came under the control of the GRU in 2016 and was handled by General
    Vladimir Alekseev, the first deputy head of the service, and Admiral
    Igor Kostyukov, the head of the service.22 Derkach is alleged to have
    been tasked with the establishment of a network of private security
    firms which would assist in maintaining control in a number of towns by pathfinding and assisting Russian forces upon their arrival.23 For this
    purpose he is accused of receiving instalments of US$3–4 million per
    month from the GRU.24 Due to the need to preserve the secrecy of
    investigation, Ukrainian counterintelligence has not publicised
    additional information on what other functions Derkach had. At the same
    time it is clear that some of the most important Russian agents had
    close ties with Derkach and he could be directly involved in the
    recruitment of the most high-ranking Ukrainian officials in Russia’s
    agent network, in particular in the Ukrainian special services and
    parliament.

    End quote.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 2 14:26:07 2023
    ........End quote.

    Thank God.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 2 18:50:39 2023
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 11:17:15 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/2/23 11:19 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 5:05:03 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/1/23 7:16 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    I see you didn't understand my recent point about the right not
    understanding that the media is basically fact-based.

    with a few "minor" exceptions
    Yes, they make mistakes. The point is their underlying philosophy.

    It took discovery for you to claim to know Fox underlying philosophy.
    Nonsense. I brought this "traditional" vs Fox ethos up a month ago.

    OTOH, now that there's discovery, it's not just a matter of opinion.
    Maybe you can watch this to see how CNN was doing it.

    https://www.movieguide.org/news-articles/project-veritas-secretly-records-cnn-conference-calls-reveals-networks-dishonesty.html
    You love to tee those guys up, don't you?

    I got a tee for the WaPo too.

    https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/04/02/wapo-fact-checker-glenn-kessler-gets-fact-checked-by-twitter-community-notes-and-its-glorious-1346424/

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 2 18:35:06 2023
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 10:57:48 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/2/23 11:15 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:09:54 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/1/23 12:28 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 6:32:28 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    Law&Crime: “While the Court must view the record in the light most >>>> favorable to Fox, the record does not show a genuine issue of material >>>> fact as to falsity,” Davis wrote in his ruling. “Through its extensive
    proof, Dominion has met its burden of showing there is no genuine issue >>>> of material fact as to falsity. Fox therefore had the burden to show an >>>> issue of material fact existed in turn. Fox failed to meet its burden. >>>> The evidence developed in this civil proceeding demonstrates that is >>>> CRYSTAL clear that none of the Statements relating to Dominion about the
    2020 election are true.”

    This is the level at which the judge must give the greatest possible >>>> credence to the defense argument.

    The trial will decide the issue of malice.

    “Actual malice can be proven ‘through the defendant’s own actions or
    statements,'” the judge noted in his ruling. “But actual malice can also
    be determined through the subjective determination of whether the
    defendant entertained serious doubts as to the truth of the statement, >>>> which can be proven by inference.”

    The ruling:

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23736885/dominion-v-fox-summary-judgment.pdf

    If Fox loses a big award, the lawyers will have a field day with CNN and MSNBC.
    Even 60 minutes will be f'd.
    I don't see the long-standing pattern of airing known untruths as shown >> by Fox at those other outlets.

    Of course you don't. And you never will.
    Perhaps not. But for Fox, it's a ruling of fact that they did air know untruths.

    In spite of your gibberish....I still have a key question....
    Who is they?


    And just to forestall a possible future dumb argument:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/malice

    "In criminal law, indicates the intention, without justification or
    excuse, to commit an act that is unlawful."

    So if you didn't think it was illegal, you can't have intentional malice.

    Case closed.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Apr 3 09:06:19 2023
    On 4/2/23 8:35 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 10:57:48 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/2/23 11:15 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:09:54 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    The ruling:

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23736885/dominion-v-fox-summary-judgment.pdf

    If Fox loses a big award, the lawyers will have a field day with CNN and MSNBC.
    Even 60 minutes will be f'd.
    I don't see the long-standing pattern of airing known untruths as shown >>>> by Fox at those other outlets.

    Of course you don't. And you never will.
    Perhaps not. But for Fox, it's a ruling of fact that they did air know
    untruths.

    In spite of your gibberish...

    Sub "known" for "know" and maybe you'll understand it.


    .I still have a key question....
    Who is they?

    It refers to the defendant, Fox News Network LLC.

    And just to forestall a possible future dumb argument:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/malice

    "In criminal law, indicates the intention, without justification or
    excuse, to commit an act that is unlawful."

    So if you didn't think it was illegal, you can't have intentional malice.

    So that didn't work.

    Case closed.

    Sure, for crime. For civil suits:

    https://www.minclaw.com/actual-malice-definition-examples/

    "Actual malice is the legal requirement imposed on specific defamation plaintiffs when filing a lawsuit for libel or slander, and will be found
    where a defendant publishes or communicates a false statement with
    knowledge of its falsity or reckless disregard for its veracity."

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Apr 3 09:07:00 2023
    On 4/2/23 4:26 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    ........End quote.

    Thank God.

    tl/dr: Giuliani's Ukrainian source is a Russian spy.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Apr 3 09:32:17 2023
    On 4/2/23 8:50 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 11:17:15 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/2/23 11:19 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 5:05:03 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/1/23 7:16 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    I see you didn't understand my recent point about the right not
    understanding that the media is basically fact-based.

    with a few "minor" exceptions
    Yes, they make mistakes. The point is their underlying philosophy.

    It took discovery for you to claim to know Fox underlying philosophy.
    Nonsense. I brought this "traditional" vs Fox ethos up a month ago.

    OTOH, now that there's discovery, it's not just a matter of opinion.
    Maybe you can watch this to see how CNN was doing it.

    https://www.movieguide.org/news-articles/project-veritas-secretly-records-cnn-conference-calls-reveals-networks-dishonesty.html
    You love to tee those guys up, don't you?

    I got a tee for the WaPo too.

    https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/04/02/wapo-fact-checker-glenn-kessler-gets-fact-checked-by-twitter-community-notes-and-its-glorious-1346424/

    Your fact-checker fact-checker needs some fact-checking. Soros didn't
    support Bragg directly, he supported the Color of Change PAC. A direct contribution would have been "earmarked."

    That said, is it surprising anyone one the left would want to defeat
    Cyrus Vance?

    The normally useless Chuck Todd:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-manhattan-da-finally-reveals-why-trump-wasn-t-charged-earlier-in-hush-money-case/ar-AA19oXOZ

    "Cy Vance appeared on NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday to discuss news of
    the criminal indictment against the former president, which a grand jury
    voted to approve a few days earlier. During the interview, he was asked
    why his office did not empanel a grand jury during the Trump presidency
    to hear evidence related to Mr Trump’s hush payments to Stormy Daniels.

    Mr Vance replied that the Department of Justice, which typically holds seniority when it comes to investigating crimes, had asked his office to
    stand down its investigation into numerous aspects of the former
    president’s activities, presumably including the hush payments to Ms Daniels."

    Bill Barr, take a bow.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 3 09:45:04 2023
    mINE109 wrote:

    Mr Vance replied that the Department of Justice, which typically holds seniority when it comes to investigating crimes, had asked his office to stand down its investigation into numerous aspects of the former president’s activities, presumably including the hush payments to Ms Daniels."
    Bill Barr, take a bow.

    In Shmoo country, hiding Trump's crimes is considered "patriotism".

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 3 10:40:45 2023
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 7:06:21 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/2/23 8:35 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 10:57:48 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/2/23 11:15 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:09:54 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    The ruling:

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23736885/dominion-v-fox-summary-judgment.pdf

    If Fox loses a big award, the lawyers will have a field day with CNN and MSNBC.
    Even 60 minutes will be f'd.
    I don't see the long-standing pattern of airing known untruths as shown >>>> by Fox at those other outlets.

    Of course you don't. And you never will.
    Perhaps not. But for Fox, it's a ruling of fact that they did air know
    untruths.

    In spite of your gibberish...
    Sub "known" for "know" and maybe you'll understand it.
    .I still have a key question....
    Who is they?
    It refers to the defendant, Fox News Network LLC.

    So all those guests you claim were the source of the BS are not they.
    Odd.

    ScottW
    And just to forestall a possible future dumb argument:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/malice

    "In criminal law, indicates the intention, without justification or
    excuse, to commit an act that is unlawful."

    So if you didn't think it was illegal, you can't have intentional malice.
    So that didn't work.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Apr 3 13:50:38 2023
    On 4/3/23 12:40 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 7:06:21 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/2/23 8:35 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 10:57:48 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/2/23 11:15 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:09:54 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    The ruling:

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23736885/dominion-v-fox-summary-judgment.pdf

    If Fox loses a big award, the lawyers will have a field day with CNN and MSNBC.
    Even 60 minutes will be f'd.
    I don't see the long-standing pattern of airing known untruths as shown >>>>>> by Fox at those other outlets.

    Of course you don't. And you never will.
    Perhaps not. But for Fox, it's a ruling of fact that they did air know >>>> untruths.

    In spite of your gibberish...
    Sub "known" for "know" and maybe you'll understand it.
    .I still have a key question....
    Who is they?
    It refers to the defendant, Fox News Network LLC.

    So all those guests you claim were the source of the BS are not they.
    Odd.

    From the ruling:

    C. DOMINION IS ENTITLED TO SUMMARY JUDGMENT ON THE ELEMENT OF
    PUBLICATION AS TO FNN.
    The next element of defamation is publication of the challenged
    statements without privilege or authorization to a third party.316... To ascertain who is responsible for the publication of a statement, the
    Court examines who participated in the creation or the publication of
    the challenged statements, because “all who take part in the
    procurement, composition and publication of a libel are responsible in
    law and equally so.”

    ...FNN does not directly contest the issue of publication. It addresses publication with actual malice, stating that Dominion’s proffered
    evidence fails to prove that those allegedly responsible played a role
    in the publication, and therefore cannot be held liable. Because FNN
    makes that argument in the scope of actual malice, it will be addressed
    below.

    The record is clear. FNN, as a network, broadcasted the Statements. In
    other words, FNN published the Statements by broadcasting the Statements
    to FNN’s viewers. In defamation claims, “all who take part in the procurement, composition and publication of a libel are responsible in
    law and equally so.”326 “To find that a defendant ‘directed’ or ‘participated in’ publication requires, at very least, evidence of some affirmative evidence on the part of the defendant.”327 FNN is not a
    passive entity. FNN controls what is broadcast on its various networks.
    FNN does this through its employees as agents of FNN. Thus, regardless
    of who within FNN is responsible for publication, FNN did in fact
    publish the statements to its viewers.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 3 15:56:50 2023
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:50:45 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/3/23 12:40 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 7:06:21 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/2/23 8:35 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 10:57:48 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/2/23 11:15 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:09:54 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    The ruling:

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23736885/dominion-v-fox-summary-judgment.pdf

    If Fox loses a big award, the lawyers will have a field day with CNN and MSNBC.
    Even 60 minutes will be f'd.
    I don't see the long-standing pattern of airing known untruths as shown
    by Fox at those other outlets.

    Of course you don't. And you never will.
    Perhaps not. But for Fox, it's a ruling of fact that they did air know >>>> untruths.

    In spite of your gibberish...
    Sub "known" for "know" and maybe you'll understand it.
    .I still have a key question....
    Who is they?
    It refers to the defendant, Fox News Network LLC.

    So all those guests you claim were the source of the BS are not they.
    Odd.
    From the ruling:

    C. DOMINION IS ENTITLED TO SUMMARY JUDGMENT ON THE ELEMENT OF
    PUBLICATION AS TO FNN.
    The next element of defamation is publication of the challenged
    statements without privilege or authorization to a third party.316... To ascertain who is responsible for the publication of a statement, the
    Court examines who participated in the creation or the publication of
    the challenged statements, because “all who take part in the
    procurement, composition and publication of a libel are responsible in
    law and equally so.”

    This is great. You're guilty of libel for just for being a composer
    which likely includes the links with BS that you often post.

    ...FNN does not directly contest the issue of publication. It addresses publication with actual malice, stating that Dominion’s proffered
    evidence fails to prove that those allegedly responsible played a role
    in the publication, and therefore cannot be held liable. Because FNN
    makes that argument in the scope of actual malice, it will be addressed below.

    The record is clear. FNN, as a network, broadcasted the Statements. In
    other words, FNN published the Statements by broadcasting the Statements
    to FNN’s viewers.

    It's the end of anything done live. Don Lemon should be in jail for all the BS
    liars he put on TV to instigate a riot in Ferguson.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 3 21:23:01 2023
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 8:05:03 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/1/23 7:16 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    I see you didn't understand my recent point about the right not
    understanding that the media is basically fact-based.

    with a few "minor" exceptions
    Yes, they make mistakes. The point is their underlying philosophy.

    And, yes, those are very minor exceptions other than the Trump stuff for which I will again refer you to the Mueller and Senate reports.

    Minor stuff?
    Hunter laptop and Wuhan lab leak?
    And just what is the underlying philosophy of the mainstream media? Liberal!!!!!

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Apr 4 09:21:54 2023
    On 4/3/23 5:56 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:50:45 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/3/23 12:40 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 7:06:21 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/2/23 8:35 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 10:57:48 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/2/23 11:15 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:09:54 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    The ruling:

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23736885/dominion-v-fox-summary-judgment.pdf

    If Fox loses a big award, the lawyers will have a field day with CNN and MSNBC.
    Even 60 minutes will be f'd.
    I don't see the long-standing pattern of airing known untruths as shown
    by Fox at those other outlets.

    Of course you don't. And you never will.
    Perhaps not. But for Fox, it's a ruling of fact that they did air know >>>>>> untruths.

    In spite of your gibberish...
    Sub "known" for "know" and maybe you'll understand it.
    .I still have a key question....
    Who is they?
    It refers to the defendant, Fox News Network LLC.

    So all those guests you claim were the source of the BS are not they.
    Odd.
    From the ruling:

    C. DOMINION IS ENTITLED TO SUMMARY JUDGMENT ON THE ELEMENT OF
    PUBLICATION AS TO FNN.
    The next element of defamation is publication of the challenged
    statements without privilege or authorization to a third party.316... To
    ascertain who is responsible for the publication of a statement, the
    Court examines who participated in the creation or the publication of
    the challenged statements, because “all who take part in the
    procurement, composition and publication of a libel are responsible in
    law and equally so.”

    This is great. You're guilty of libel for just for being a composer
    which likely includes the links with BS that you often post.

    I'm not a cable network employee. More importantly, I don't knowingly
    publish falsities.

    ...FNN does not directly contest the issue of publication. It addresses
    publication with actual malice, stating that Dominion’s proffered
    evidence fails to prove that those allegedly responsible played a role
    in the publication, and therefore cannot be held liable. Because FNN
    makes that argument in the scope of actual malice, it will be addressed
    below.

    The record is clear. FNN, as a network, broadcasted the Statements. In
    other words, FNN published the Statements by broadcasting the Statements
    to FNN’s viewers.

    It's the end of anything done live. Don Lemon should be in jail for all the BS
    liars he put on TV to instigate a riot in Ferguson.

    What about that?

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Tue Apr 4 09:33:53 2023
    On 4/3/23 11:23 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 8:05:03 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/1/23 7:16 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    I see you didn't understand my recent point about the right not
    understanding that the media is basically fact-based.

    with a few "minor" exceptions
    Yes, they make mistakes. The point is their underlying philosophy.

    And, yes, those are very minor exceptions other than the Trump stuff for
    which I will again refer you to the Mueller and Senate reports.

    Minor stuff?

    Yes.

    Hunter laptop and Wuhan lab leak?

    Tainted evidence and no evidence. Both would be embraced by the media if
    new information emerged.

    And just what is the underlying philosophy of the mainstream media? Liberal!!!!!

    Not so much. You've drunk the proverbial Koolaid of conservative working-the-referees (to mix metaphors).

    Les Moonves on Trump: "It may not be good for America, but it's damn
    good for CBS."

    However, "liberal" does include the principles of objectivity and
    fairness to which I referred in the earlier discussion.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 4 20:40:45 2023

    However, "liberal" does include the principles of objectivity and
    fairness to which I referred in the earlier discussion.

    I get it. You are not a liberal.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 4 20:41:04 2023
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 7:21:56 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/3/23 5:56 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:50:45 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/3/23 12:40 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 7:06:21 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/2/23 8:35 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 10:57:48 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/2/23 11:15 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:09:54 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>
    The ruling:

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23736885/dominion-v-fox-summary-judgment.pdf

    If Fox loses a big award, the lawyers will have a field day with CNN and MSNBC.
    Even 60 minutes will be f'd.
    I don't see the long-standing pattern of airing known untruths as shown
    by Fox at those other outlets.

    Of course you don't. And you never will.
    Perhaps not. But for Fox, it's a ruling of fact that they did air know
    untruths.

    In spite of your gibberish...
    Sub "known" for "know" and maybe you'll understand it.
    .I still have a key question....
    Who is they?
    It refers to the defendant, Fox News Network LLC.

    So all those guests you claim were the source of the BS are not they. >>> Odd.
    From the ruling:

    C. DOMINION IS ENTITLED TO SUMMARY JUDGMENT ON THE ELEMENT OF
    PUBLICATION AS TO FNN.
    The next element of defamation is publication of the challenged
    statements without privilege or authorization to a third party.316... To >> ascertain who is responsible for the publication of a statement, the
    Court examines who participated in the creation or the publication of
    the challenged statements, because “all who take part in the
    procurement, composition and publication of a libel are responsible in
    law and equally so.”

    This is great. You're guilty of libel for just for being a composer
    which likely includes the links with BS that you often post.
    I'm not a cable network employee.

    Irrelevant, you're a publisher here.

    More importantly, I don't knowingly
    publish falsities.

    Sure you do. I've been showing you for years how full of shit your are.
    But you keep on crapping.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Apr 4 21:26:14 2023
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 11:41:06 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 7:21:56 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/3/23 5:56 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:50:45 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/3/23 12:40 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 7:06:21 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/2/23 8:35 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 10:57:48 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 4/2/23 11:15 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:09:54 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>
    The ruling:

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23736885/dominion-v-fox-summary-judgment.pdf

    Sure you do. I've been showing you for years how full of shit your are.
    But you keep on crapping.

    ScottW

    Help for Steve:

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/rectal-discharge


    But I have a better idea.
    He should stop sticking is head up his ass.
    The old adage is true: garbage in, garbage out

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Apr 5 09:50:16 2023
    On 4/4/23 10:41 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 7:21:56 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    From the ruling:

    C. DOMINION IS ENTITLED TO SUMMARY JUDGMENT ON THE ELEMENT OF
    PUBLICATION AS TO FNN.
    The next element of defamation is publication of the challenged
    statements without privilege or authorization to a third party.316... To >>>> ascertain who is responsible for the publication of a statement, the
    Court examines who participated in the creation or the publication of
    the challenged statements, because “all who take part in the
    procurement, composition and publication of a libel are responsible in >>>> law and equally so.”

    This is great. You're guilty of libel for just for being a composer
    which likely includes the links with BS that you often post.
    I'm not a cable network employee.

    Irrelevant, you're a publisher here.

    Enjoy your reductio ad absurdum. It won't affect the lawsuit.

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