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    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 10 18:24:35 2023
    https://thestarnewsnetwork.com/2023/03/10/norfolk-southern-ceo-tells-us-senate-committee-vinyl-chloride-controlled-burn/

    Norfolk Southern CEO Alan Shaw faced questions about who authorized the controlled burn at a Senate hearing on Thursday as Washington lawmakers held their first hearing on railroad safety about a month after a train carrying toxic chemicals derailed in
    East Palestine, Ohio.

    U.S. Senator Markwayne Mullins (R-OK) asked Shaw “when the vent and burn process was being made, who made those decisions and what were the considerations other than just burning it and letting the material burn off.”

    Shaw told the Senate committee that “the only consideration was the safety and health of the community and that the decision was made by a unified command under the direction of the incident commander.” Shaw did not identify the members of the
    unified command but that Norfolk Southern was one of them.

    His comments confirmed what a spokesperson with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Region 5 told The Ohio Star last month that the incident commander was Fire Chief Keith Drabick of the East Palestine Fire Department.

    “The incident commander was Fire Chief Drabick. Norfolk Southern was part of the unified command,” Shaw said.

    Shaw was not asked, nor did he comment, if he provided the legal authority by which the burn was authorized.

    and then it get even weirder

    Shaw informed the committee that no railroad owns the tank car in question, but a private entity owns the rail car, and the lessor and the customer share the responsibility for the contents and operations of the rail car.

    Hard to digest that. So a train isn't a train but a bunch of independently owned and operated cars? If I was in the DoT....I'd say no to that legal web.
    You hook up a car to your locomotive and drag it across the country...you own it and are responsible for it and it's contents as long as it's in your train.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Mar 11 10:24:50 2023
    On 3/10/23 8:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://thestarnewsnetwork.com/2023/03/10/norfolk-southern-ceo-tells-us-senate-committee-vinyl-chloride-controlled-burn/

    Where's the punching down?

    <snip undistinguished quote>

    I assume this is your commentary.

    Hard to digest that. So a train isn't a train but a bunch of
    independently owned and operated cars?

    Just as cargo ship containers aren't owned by the cargo ship.

    If I was in the DoT....I'd say no to that legal web. You hook up a car to your locomotive and
    drag it across the country...you own it and are responsible for it
    and it's contents as long as it's in your train.

    Now apply this concept to Google advertising.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 11 08:55:55 2023
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/10/23 8:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://thestarnewsnetwork.com/2023/03/10/norfolk-southern-ceo-tells-us-senate-committee-vinyl-chloride-controlled-burn/

    Where's the punching down?

    Putting the decision on the small town fire chief...maybe.
    Stephen's brain, so dense it's almost a black hole.

    <snip undistinguished quote>

    I assume this is your commentary.

    This or that?

    Hard to digest that. So a train isn't a train but a bunch of
    independently owned and operated cars?
    Just as cargo ship containers aren't owned by the cargo ship.

    If the cargo ship was towing them like barges...you might have a point.
    But they don't....so you don't.


    If I was in the DoT....I'd say no to that legal web. You hook up a car to your locomotive and
    drag it across the country...you own it and are responsible for it
    and it's contents as long as it's in your train.
    Now apply this concept to Google advertising.

    and that's why you get the award for derailing a thread.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Mar 11 09:46:51 2023
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 11:55:56 AM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

    and that's why you get the award for derailing a thread.



    Steve creates a toxic spill.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Mar 11 14:40:41 2023
    On 3/11/23 10:55 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/10/23 8:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://thestarnewsnetwork.com/2023/03/10/norfolk-southern-ceo-tells-us-senate-committee-vinyl-chloride-controlled-burn/

    Where's the punching down?

    Putting the decision on the small town fire chief...maybe.
    Stephen's brain, so dense it's almost a black hole.

    That's not "punching down." More "throwing under the bus."

    https://www.salemnews.net/news/local-news/2022/03/east-palestine-fire-chief-sworn-in/

    Yep. Not part of a protected population.

    <snip undistinguished quote>

    I assume this is your commentary.

    This or that?

    That was snipped; this is your commentary.

    Hard to digest that. So a train isn't a train but a bunch of
    independently owned and operated cars?
    Just as cargo ship containers aren't owned by the cargo ship.

    If the cargo ship was towing them like barges...you might have a point.
    But they don't....so you don't.

    There's no difference in those scenarios. And barges sometimes are self-powered.

    If I was in the DoT....I'd say no to that legal web. You hook up a car to your locomotive and
    drag it across the country...you own it and are responsible for it
    and it's contents as long as it's in your train.
    Now apply this concept to Google advertising.

    and that's why you get the award for derailing a thread.

    It doesn't derail if it's parallel. For someone commenting on my brain,
    you seem kind of dense yourself.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 13 17:18:23 2023
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 12:40:43 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/11/23 10:55 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/10/23 8:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://thestarnewsnetwork.com/2023/03/10/norfolk-southern-ceo-tells-us-senate-committee-vinyl-chloride-controlled-burn/

    Where's the punching down?

    Putting the decision on the small town fire chief...maybe.
    Stephen's brain, so dense it's almost a black hole.
    That's not "punching down." More "throwing under the bus."

    If you can be thrown under the bus you can be punched from above too.

    As usual, Stephen derails a thread more often than NS loses a train.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Mar 13 19:44:15 2023
    On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 8:18:25 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 12:40:43 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/11/23 10:55 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/10/23 8:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://thestarnewsnetwork.com/2023/03/10/norfolk-southern-ceo-tells-us-senate-committee-vinyl-chloride-controlled-burn/

    Where's the punching down?

    Putting the decision on the small town fire chief...maybe.
    Stephen's brain, so dense it's almost a black hole.
    That's not "punching down." More "throwing under the bus."
    If you can be thrown under the bus you can be punched from above too.

    As usual, Stephen derails a thread more often than NS loses a train.

    ScottW

    "at leased" he is not the most toxic runaway loootive.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Mar 14 09:39:53 2023
    On 3/13/23 7:18 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 12:40:43 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/11/23 10:55 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/10/23 8:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://thestarnewsnetwork.com/2023/03/10/norfolk-southern-ceo-tells-us-senate-committee-vinyl-chloride-controlled-burn/

    Where's the punching down?

    Putting the decision on the small town fire chief...maybe.
    Stephen's brain, so dense it's almost a black hole.
    That's not "punching down." More "throwing under the bus."

    If you can be thrown under the bus you can be punched from above too.

    Meaningless word games. That's not what it means.

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