Way back in May of 2012, Jeanne Morningstar had just won High Concept Challenge #29 and decided to make LNH v2 #50 the new challenge -- with
a due date a month from then. Here's that post from May 16th, 2012:
And all that sort of killed whatever momentum there was for finishing #50. But Drew eventually (maybe with some help from Jean -- can't quite remember) did finish the whole thing and edit it into something coherent and posted it in 2014.
And this is part one of the Big Mega Multi-Writer Issue of LNH vII #50.
It took a bit longer than that. Two years in fact (it would finally get posted on Nov 2nd, 2014).
I remember there was talk back in RACCCon 2012 among some of the
people there about possibly finishing the issue. I was the one that
vetoed that idea -- so you can probably blame me for it not being
finished back in 2012. And part of the reason I didn't really want to
tackle it back then was due to the big writer flame war that had just happened around that time.
LNH vII #50 is (perhaps) the last story of the Martin Phipps era of the
LNH.
Martin was kind of the John Byrne of the LNH. As John Byrne was
an important force in history of superhero comics -- Marin was an
important force in the LNH Imprint. He certainly helped define the LNH
style and influenced a bunch of other LNH writers like Ken Schmidt and
Jeff McCoskey who in turn influenced others (like myself). But like
John Byrne, he also had a habit of getting into all kinds of feuds with
the various other LNH writers. Look at any big flamewar from RACC and alt.comics.lnh's past -- and most likely you'll see Martin as a big player with in them.
Back in 2011 around the time people were making the LNH20 Imprint,
Martin had written some distortion of the truth that caused me to
blow up at him, which caused a big flamewar with the end result being
me not really wanting to deal with Martin anymore and me boycotting
writing his characters (and me essentially giving him the silent treatment for the most part).
This made writing for LNH v2 #50 a kind of awkward experience for me since Martin was a heavy part of this (as well as his character, Master Blaster)
so that was one of the reasons why I didn't really want to deal with finishing this issue back at RACCCon 2012.
And during the writing of #50,
there was this dispute between Martin and Drew involving Kid Enthusiastic's characterization (Kid E being a Drew character -- so probably the person
that understands the character the most -- you'd think -- if you were some person other than Martin).
So, while everyone is still working on #50 --
Martin decides to write issue #51 and posts it.
#51 seems to have been
written just to troll Drew --
and of course there's another big flame war
and Martin pretty much burned every last bridge he had with the LNH and he quit RACC for good (granted he did wind up making a sock puppet account (April White -- was that the name?) so he could write some stuff for the
LNHY Imprint.)
And all that sort of killed whatever momentum there was for finishing #50. But Drew eventually (maybe with some help from Jean -- can't quite remember) did finish the whole thing and edit it into something coherent and posted it in 2014.general. X3
Jeanne definitely helped, including just keeping my writing energy up in
There was some dated stuff that was rewritten (I remember making a
reference to Kony 2012 meme).
We begin in the LNH Cafeteria -- all of the LNH'rs are abuzz about the 20th Anniversary party that Catalyst Lass is planning. And on the menu is
Taco Salad Cheesecake (and perhaps even worse things than that).
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|HLNHLNHLNHLNHL| ISSUE FIFTY |HLNHLNHLNHLNHL|
|NHLNHLNHLNHLNH| "The Challenge From Before" |NHLNHLNHLNHLNH|
|LNHLNHLNHLNHLN| written by and copyright 2012-2014 |LNHLNHLNHLNHLN|
|HLNHLNHLNHLNHL| SAXON BRENTON * SCOTT EILER |HLNHLNHLNHLNHL|
|NHLNHLNHLNHLNH| ADRIAN J. MCCLURE * ANDREW PERRON |NHLNHLNHLNHLNH|
|LNHLNHLNHLNHLN| MARTIN PHIPPS * ARTHUR SPITZER |LNHLNHLNHLNHLN|
|HLNHLNHLNHLNHL| ROB ROGERS * DAVE VAN DOMELEN |HLNHLNHLNHLNHL|
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* In LNH THE EARLY YEARS #3: Irony Man (Toony Stork) related the origin
of the LNH. The LNH was founded many years ago when Rick Smith of the
Toon Brigade summoned Irony Man, Lurking Girl, Loquacious Lad, Kid
Yesterdaze, and Marvel Zombie Lad to defeat an impending threat. It
turned out there wasn't any; it was simply a practical joke. But the
five heroes decided to get together to found the Legion of Net.Heroes
should a real threat emerge. Or at least that's the official story...
* In BEIGE MIDNIGHT and LNH VOLUME 2: Irony Man betrayed the LNH in a
devil's bargain to save the world. Disgraced, he threw himself into a
final battle - but ended up praised for a save that wasn't his. He has
retired and appointed a successor, the mysterious Irony Man II...
* In STAY DEAD!, DON'T STAY DEAD!, and NOT DEAD!: On their very first
mission for the Legion of Net.Heroes, against a threat known as Beige
Midnight, Horrible Name Lad and Poignant Death Lass died. Ensign
Bodybag welcomed them to the Afterlife. They saw Don't Stay Dead Man
come for one of their teammates and give him True Death, but when the
higher powers decided that they were more interesting than he was,
they returned to the Looniverse -- just in time for Taco Salad
Cheesecake...
Ubiquitous Boy Lad Jr. [The sidekick of Ubiquitous Boy's sidekick Ubiquitous Lad (or is it the other way around?) -- Footnote Girl]
My god! Look at what's happening to the world!I remember specifically trying to keep the spirit of the Kony reference.
People are suffering! Tyrants are brutalizing their citizens! Children
being forced into armies in Africa!
"Oh," said WikiBoy, with a slightly shameful look on his face.
"That's, uh, that's my beaver tail."
"Why in the world do you have a beaver tail?"
"Oh, well, Master Blaster said I had one, so... now I have one."
"Do you see what's happening here?" said You're-Not-Hitting-Me-Hard- Enough Lad, turning to his friends. "How can the LNH fight the evil and injustices in the world -- when it takes a blind eye to the evil and injustice within its own halls?
You're-Not-Hitting-Me-Hard-Enough Lad slammed open the door to
Master Blaster's room. "You're an asshole!"
"NO!" shouted Kid Enthusiastic. "Rob! What are you doing?!"
"He literally-- wait, what are you doing here?"
"Oh, I've been taking classes! Did you know your room is right next
to the yoga studio?"
"Absolutely not and you can't prove I did."
Master Blaster shrugged. "Look, net.heroes aren't just people in costumes. We have a purpose! My purpose is to inflict pain and injury!"
You're-Not-Hitting-Me-Hard-Enough Lad shrugged. "I suppose..."
"All right, then..."
"...that this is your way of wimping out."
"...wimping out?" Master Blaster said.
" oh god " said Kid Enthusiastic.
Master Blaster lifted the entire missile in the air and shoved it
down You're-Not-Hitting-Me-Hard-Enough Lad's throat. "@#$% YOU!"
By coincidence, this was the code that activated the nuclear device. YNHMHELad's stomach underwent a tactical atomic explosion.
"It's an alien! A Dorf! A Dorfian shapeshifter!" said Ubiquitous Boy Lad Jr., voice filled with horror and relief.
Right on cue, as if from thin air, Doctor Stomper appeared.
"Gah!" said Ubiquitous Boy Lad Jr.
"It's quite simple," Dr. Stomper explained. "This *is* the real You're-Not-Hitting-Me-Hard-Enough Lad. Clearly, You're-Not-Hitting-Me- Hard-Enough Lad has always been a Dorf. Why do you think he always
wanted people to hit him? Is that normal human behavior? Why, not at
all! But it's perfectly normal behavior for a Dorf!"
In a burst of blue-green light, Masterplan Lad fell through the air into the bushes in front of the LNHQ. He spat out the leaves that
Domestic Lad had so carefully curated and stood up.
It didn't
matter, as the effect was clearly meant to keep this story simple, so
you didn't have to catch up with the whole convoluted Ultimate Mercenary storyline (in which he had originally appeared) to read it.
Heaving a sigh of frustration, he passed through the double doors
and saw a Japanese woman sitting behind the desk, hurriedly struggling
to get some paperwork done. This must be Kyoko Ishikawa.
"No, I'm already a member of the team, though I haven't been around very much. I'm Masterplan Lad." He hoped she wouldn't remember who he
was, not to mention the fact that he'd accidentally destroyed the LNHQ.
[In one of the Infinite Leadership Crisis issues that Adrian swears he's going to write someday -- Footnote Girl]
"Wait, didn't you destroy the LNHQ?"
"We used to be LNH members. Why can't we find the cafeteria?"
pondered Poignant Death Lass. "Maybe it's because we're more real now --
not just a one-off joke, meant only to die. We must struggle on our own merits..."
"Why," Cynical Lass asked, "are you shouting right outside the door
to my room when I'm trying to sleep?"
Namer Boy did his best to reply, though his efforts in this regard
were hindered by the continued presence of Cynical Lass' palm on his
face. She sighed, and removed her hand.
"It's noon," Namer Boy said, rubbing his face.
"Ah," Cynical Lass said. "And some vestigial roosterish part of you insists on shouting every day at noon, is that it?"
There, a small semi-circle of super-heroes -- and Ubiquitous Boy Lad Jr.
"Or haven't you
noticed that the moment someone acquires super-powers, they decide that
the best way to solve the world's problems is by rounding up everyone
who disagrees with them and punching them in the face."
"You're forgetting about the shooting and the blowing up," said
Master Blaster, licking cheesecake from his fingers.
He'll also have lost all his gut flora,
so we'll also need to contact the Dorfs to get a sample of fecal matter
for a poop transplant."
"What is it about these Dorfs," she asked, "that makes them any
worse than all of the alien koalas, hamsters, bug people, giant
transforming robots and sentient shades of blue you people deal with on
a regular basis?"
"That's simple," said a smooth, slightly metallic voice. Cynical
Lass turned to see the tall, armored shoulders of Irony Man filing the entrance to the cafeteria.
"We hate Dorfs because of what happened during the very first
mission of the LNH," Irony Man said.
"Well, technically, yes," Doctor Stomper said. "Doctor Killfile was
the first threat faced by the Legion of Net.Heroes. But before they
adopted that distinctive cognomen... before they considered themselves a group... the individual members of the LNH participated in... another incident."
"Of course," Irony Man said. "If I remember correctly, it all went something like this..."
~~LNH~~ ~~LNH~~ ~~LNH~~
"I can't believe we survived that!" Irony Man said, smoke pouring
from the tattered remains of his armor. "I swear -- on my mother's grave
-- I will never forget what happened this day, not for as long as I
live!"
~~LNH~~ ~~LNH~~ ~~LNH~~
"Good times," Irony Man said, wistfully.
"You have eight and a half levels of Legion headquarters devoted to storing your memories?" gasped Poignant Death Lass, who had followed
Horrible Name Lad into the cafeteria and was staring in wonder at the
many varieties of cheesecake on display. "Isn't... doesn't that strike
you as kind of a waste of space?"
Irony Man shrugged. "I do own the building," he said.
"Why on earth would we do that?" he asked. "Believe me, nothing
good ever came from going into any of the sub-sub-basements. And
frankly... who cares what those guys did during their first adventure?
It's not like the Legion was even really the Legion before *I* came on board."
Irony Man snorted. "A job for List Lad? That's something that's
never been said in the entire recorded history of the LNH."
"Oh, I don't know," said Painful Pun Person, entering the cafeteria with a coffee cup in her hand. (First appearance! Collect them all!)
"I've been feeling a little listless myself, lately."
"Top Five Reasons Why I Will Not Be Attending The LNH's 20th Anniversary Party, Even Though Catalyst Lass Is a Smoking-Hot Babe," Pulls-Paper-Out-of-Hats Lad read.
"Number 5: All tuxedos in town have
been rented in anticipation of RACCies ceremony that was supposed to
happen in March."
"Number 3: Can't find a date, because Pullls-Paper-Out-Of-Hats-Lad
and wReamhack found a way to hack the Match.com and eHarmony Web sites. Whoops," said Pulls-Paper-Out-of-Hats Lad, turning crimson.
"I knew that story about groupies was too good to be true," Namer
Lad muttered.
"And the number one reason List Lad won't be attending tonight's party," Pulls-Paper-Out-of-Hats Lad continued. "Because of what Toony
Stork did to me and the woman we both loved during the LNH's very first mission."
On 11/7/21 3:23 PM, Arthur Spitzer wrote:<snip>
And all that sort of killed whatever momentum there was for finishing #50. >> But Drew eventually (maybe with some help from Jean -- can't quite remember) >> did finish the whole thing and edit it into something coherent and posted it >> in 2014.
I bear some of the blame for dragging it out--
Drew pushed through when no one
else wanted (they're good at that)
The most fun part was working with Rob Rogers, who besides
being a really funny writer was as generous and thoughtful a collaborator as that other guy wasn't. He did a remarkable job of "yes-anding" everyone's ideas.
Rob also helped keep the plot on track, as seen at the end of this post, bringing back my whole "secret origin" conceit after it had fallen off the radar. It was really remarkable how he pulled together all those ideas in a way
that was not only coherent but also funny.
The original #51 was blatantly homophobic, and being angry at
that knocked over the first domino that got me thinking about whether I was queer, and that led to everything I'd been and done since. As much as there've
been a lot of frustrations along the way, I'm really proud of this community and
how much everyone in it has grown.
Hell yeah. <3 <3 <3
WOOOOO! I've probably read thru this half a dozen times or more since I posted it. Everyone put so much good energy into it.
Completely understandable, and TBH, The Cat With Glasses was very much
worth it. :>
Incredibly understandable. I feel like you, me, and Jeanne all felt individually responsible for the post-Martingeddon slump, but really,
it's nobody's fault but his. (And, you know, all the other forces that
keep us from writing, internal and external.)
That was part of it, and it was also justifying horrifying takes on
queer characters *and* Master Blaster tormenting WikiBoy[*] and also
started with a summary of #50 that ended with "There. Now you don't have
to read it." or something. @@
[*]Also weirdly John Byrne-esque, actually, comparable to his Fantastic
Four run saying that Galactus's existence is cosmically necessary And
That Is That. I'm not sure if I'm Chris Claremont in that situation or
Jeanne is. X3
<3Jeanne definitely helped, including just keeping my writing energy upin general. X3
gaaaaad Martin's origins. Can't wait for Retcon Year.
"Do you see what's happening here?" said
You're-Not-Hitting-Me-Hard-
Enough Lad, turning to his friends. "How can the LNH fight the evil and
injustices in the world -- when it takes a blind eye to the evil and
injustice within its own halls?
This is a theme I've been coming back to. <3 It's extremely relevant nowadays. @-@
This climax is Martin's and it's also pretty funny. X3
"It's an alien! A Dorf! A Dorfian shapeshifter!" said Ubiquitous >> Boy
Lad Jr., voice filled with horror and relief.
DUN DUN DUNNNNN!
Right on cue, as if from thin air, Doctor Stomper appeared.
"Gah!" said Ubiquitous Boy Lad Jr.
Due to the piecemeal writing process, a *lot* of characters just kind of popped up out of nowhere in this story, and I tried to smooth those transitions as best I could. I'd be better at it now. X3
So, after Jeanne put Masterplan Lad in this, other writers kept using
him in new LNH v2 stories. This, of course, is rad, but also, there had
never been a story written where he actually joined the LNH - he'd only
ever appeared as an ally of Ultimate Mercenary as they journeyed thru
various alternate timelines. Jeanne tied that up in Just Another
Cascade, around the time I was working toward finishing this, and I took
the opportunity to do a little continuity-finagling via time travel. Not
that you need to know that, because...
Heaving a sigh of frustration, he passed through the double doors
and saw a Japanese woman sitting behind the desk, hurriedly struggling
to get some paperwork done. This must be Kyoko Ishikawa.
Jeanne and I use her a lot! :D
"No, I'm already a member of the team, though I haven't been
around
very much. I'm Masterplan Lad." He hoped she wouldn't remember who he
was, not to mention the fact that he'd accidentally destroyed the LNHQ.
[In one of the Infinite Leadership Crisis issues that Adrian swears he's
going to write someday -- Footnote Girl]
"Wait, didn't you destroy the LNHQ?"
Heeheeheehee
"And the number one reason List Lad won't be attending tonight's
party," Pulls-Paper-Out-of-Hats Lad continued. "Because of what Toony
Stork did to me and the woman we both loved during the LNH's very first
mission."
An excellent cliffhanger to leave off on. :D
Drew "DUN DUN DUNNNN" Nilium
I recall April's Legion of Jesus-Friends or whatever. Me arguing withand of course there's another big flame war and Martin pretty much
burned every last bridge he had with the LNH and he quit RACC for
good (granted he did wind up making a sock puppet account (April
White -- was that the name?) so he could write some stuff for the
LNHY Imprint.)
That was the name, yeah. He wrote a few more of his extremely flat
movie parodies, which everyone ignored, and then he disappeared for
good.
On 11/8/21 11:25 PM, Drew Nilium wrote:
WOOOOO! I've probably read thru this half a dozen times or more since I posted it. Everyone put so much good energy into it.
I've been rereading 52, and this issue reminds me a lot of that in terms of being the work of a group of creators with very distinct, well-defined voices but also feeling like a cohesive whole.
Thankfully, we don't have a superhero
murdering an entire country in this one.
Completely understandable, and TBH, The Cat With Glasses was very much worth >> it. :>
It's wild how much influence that story had in the long term, with the Brad Pitt
thing being a central part of WikiLull.
Incredibly understandable. I feel like you, me, and Jeanne all felt
individually responsible for the post-Martingeddon slump, but really, it's >> nobody's fault but his. (And, you know, all the other forces that keep us from
writing, internal and external.)
I feel like it took us a really long time to gain a sense of closure after All
That, which was part of why it was hard for me to write for LNH sometime. (And
yeah, the impact it had on LNH20, something I put a lot of myself into, was a big part of it.) Both personally and in terms of our collective narrative movement--the whole last decade was kind of about trying to resolve what the LNH
was after Martin's characters--especially Master Blaster, who'd kind of been a
central part of the LNH in the 2000s--were gone. I don't think I fully resolved
that for myself until LNH v3 #3. We got some amazing writing and ideas out of working through that, though.
That was part of it, and it was also justifying horrifying takes on queer
characters *and* Master Blaster tormenting WikiBoy[*] and also started with a
summary of #50 that ended with "There. Now you don't have to read it." or
something. @@
I no longer even remember how queer characters ended up being a part of that argument, and that's probably for the best.
[*]Also weirdly John Byrne-esque, actually, comparable to his Fantastic Four >> run saying that Galactus's existence is cosmically necessary And That Is That.
I'm not sure if I'm Chris Claremont in that situation or Jeanne is. X3
I feel like I'm usually Chris Claremont in most cases, both in the "long running
subplot" sense and the "making everything gay" sense.
I guess Drew is Louise Simonson, if only because Power Pack is an extremely Drew-like concept.
"Do you see what's happening here?" said You're-Not-Hitting-Me-Hard-
Enough Lad, turning to his friends. "How can the LNH fight the evil and
injustices in the world -- when it takes a blind eye to the evil and
injustice within its own halls?
This is a theme I've been coming back to. <3 It's extremely relevant nowadays.
@-@
This issue was really the one that cemented a lot of the core ideas and themes
of the post-Beige era of LNH, and that's one of the big ones.
"It's an alien! A Dorf! A Dorfian shapeshifter!" said Ubiquitous Boy
Lad Jr., voice filled with horror and relief.
DUN DUN DUNNNNN!
It's interestng how the Dorfs basically take on the properties of diffrent kind
of aliens in pop culture--they started out as a Borg riff, became the Klingons
and this issue borrows heavily from Secret Invasion (but it works much better,
just as Beige Midnight's version of President Luthor, the Registration Act and
Project Everyman did).
Right on cue, as if from thin air, Doctor Stomper appeared.
"Gah!" said Ubiquitous Boy Lad Jr.
Due to the piecemeal writing process, a *lot* of characters just kind of
popped up out of nowhere in this story, and I tried to smooth those
transitions as best I could. I'd be better at it now. X3
That's a real Old LNH kind of humor though.
So, after Jeanne put Masterplan Lad in this, other writers kept using him in >> new LNH v2 stories. This, of course, is rad, but also, there had never been a
story written where he actually joined the LNH - he'd only ever appeared as an
ally of Ultimate Mercenary as they journeyed thru various alternate timelines.
Jeanne tied that up in Just Another Cascade, around the time I was working >> toward finishing this, and I took the opportunity to do a little
continuity-finagling via time travel. Not that you need to know that, because...
I do like how MPL was part of the Core LNH for a bit and basically had the same
trajectory of early Writer Characters like Sig.Lad, becoming part of the LNH's
central narrative and then diverging again.
Heaving a sigh of frustration, he passed through the double doors
and saw a Japanese woman sitting behind the desk, hurriedly struggling
to get some paperwork done. This must be Kyoko Ishikawa.
Jeanne and I use her a lot! :D
I really like the idea of her being a meaningful narrative presence having her
own life outside the LNH. Like the occasional human supporting characters such
as Stevie Hunter in 80s X-Men (Claremont again). I feel like losing normal human
supporting casts around the 90s/00s has been a big problem for suerphero comics.
"No, I'm already a member of the team, though I haven't been around
very much. I'm Masterplan Lad." He hoped she wouldn't remember who he
was, not to mention the fact that he'd accidentally destroyed the LNHQ.
[In one of the Infinite Leadership Crisis issues that Adrian swears he's >>> going to write someday -- Footnote Girl]
"Wait, didn't you destroy the LNHQ?"
Heeheeheehee
At this point, I've decided it would be funnier if I never actually wrote those
issues.
On 2021-11-08 21:25, Drew Nilium wrote:
I recall April's Legion of Jesus-Friends or whatever. Me arguing with April about whether Mohammad ought to be teaming up with Satan, was a lot like Martinand of course there's another big flame war and Martin pretty much
burned every last bridge he had with the LNH and he quit RACC for
good (granted he did wind up making a sock puppet account (April
White -- was that the name?) so he could write some stuff for the LNHY Imprint.)
That was the name, yeah. He wrote a few more of his extremely flat
movie parodies, which everyone ignored, and then he disappeared for
good.
arguing with me about whether the Powernaut's world needed Fractal Time. But I
still think I was right both times. 8{D>
On 11/7/21 4:23 PM, Arthur Spitzer wrote:
<snip>
Ubiquitous Boy Lad Jr. [The sidekick of Ubiquitous Boy's sidekick Ubiquitous Lad (or is it the other way around?) -- Footnote Girl]Ubiquitous Boy and Ubiquitous Lad are both Rob's characters, but I'm not sure if
they've ever actually shown up in a story (ironically). X3
On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 10:25:58 PM UTC-7, Drew Perron wrote:
On 11/7/21 4:23 PM, Arthur Spitzer wrote:
<snip>
Ubiquitous Boy Lad Jr. [The sidekick of Ubiquitous Boy's sidekickUbiquitous Boy and Ubiquitous Lad are both Rob's characters, but I'm not sure if
Ubiquitous Lad (or is it the other way around?) -- Footnote Girl]
they've ever actually shown up in a story (ironically). X3
I remember them from this EDM Lite/Continuity Champ story that was
an elsewhirl (I think in the archives its called an EDM Special under
the EDM series).
Doing a google group search of alt.comics.lnh it looks like the first appearance
of both those characters was EDM #15.
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