The RISKS? Believing a group calling itself the "Library Freedom
Project" as representing anything but the opposite. It's actions
are anti-library, anti-freedom and anti-privacy.
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 18:26:38 -0700, Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com>
wrote:
The RISKS? Believing a group calling itself the "Library Freedom
Project" as representing anything but the opposite. It's actions
are anti-library, anti-freedom and anti-privacy.
My 'radar' is well enough tuned that when I hear terms like
'controversial claims' unless they're an EXTREMELY credible source
(for instance the Harvard Law School library whose website hosts the
complete transcripts of the Nuremberg trials) I automatically assume
they mean "claims we don't agree with". PARTICULARLY if their site
uses the F-word (not fornication but Fascism or Fascistic)
And tend to assume that most in 2022 that throw those words about know
almost nothing about Mussolini, Franco or Hitler (e.g. the genuine
fascists) For them I mostly say "go read Homage to Catalonia!" to
educate themselves about fascism - that is the real thing not the
F-bomb they so freely throw about.
On 7/27/22 5:17 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 18:26:38 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
The RISKS? Believing a group calling itself the "Library Freedom
Project" as representing anything but the opposite. It's actions
are anti-library, anti-freedom and anti-privacy.
My 'radar' is well enough tuned that when I hear terms like
'controversial claims' unless they're an EXTREMELY credible source
(for instance the Harvard Law School library whose website hosts the complete transcripts of the Nuremberg trials) I automatically assume
they mean "claims we don't agree with". PARTICULARLY if their site
uses the F-word (not fornication but Fascism or Fascistic)
And tend to assume that most in 2022 that throw those words about know almost nothing about Mussolini, Franco or Hitler (e.g. the genuine fascists) For them I mostly say "go read Homage to Catalonia!" toAre you referring to how Orwell's Homage To Catalonia was branded
educate themselves about fascism - that is the real thing not the
F-bomb they so freely throw about.
as fascist when it was new, resulting in it's poor distribution?
It's at the library so it hasn't been banned yet.
On 7/27/22 5:17 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 18:26:38 -0700, Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com>
wrote:
And tend to assume that most in 2022 that throw those words about know
almost nothing about Mussolini, Franco or Hitler (e.g. the genuine
fascists) For them I mostly say "go read Homage to Catalonia!" to
educate themselves about fascism - that is the real thing not the
F-bomb they so freely throw about.
Are you referring to how Orwell's Homage To Catalonia was branded
as fascist when it was new, resulting in it's poor distribution?
It's at the library so it hasn't been banned yet.
On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 10:41:33 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
On 7/27/22 5:17 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 18:26:38 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
And tend to assume that most in 2022 that throw those words about know
almost nothing about Mussolini, Franco or Hitler (e.g. the genuine
fascists) For them I mostly say "go read Homage to Catalonia!" to
educate themselves about fascism - that is the real thing not the
F-bomb they so freely throw about.
Are you referring to how Orwell's Homage To Catalonia was branded
as fascist when it was new, resulting in it's poor distribution?
It's at the library so it hasn't been banned yet.
Nope I was saying Homage to Catalonia was a very good way to learn
more about what GENUINE Fascists were like as opposed to the modern COUNTERFEIT kind where the word basically means "anybody I disagree
with". What Orwell was dealing with in Spain were the real article -
nothing phony about them - real honest to God nasty Fascists.
My hope was of course that anybody who actually read the book would
tend to throw the word around less as a random epithet
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 3:54:26 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 10:41:33 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
On 7/27/22 5:17 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 18:26:38 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
And tend to assume that most in 2022 that throw those words about know >> almost nothing about Mussolini, Franco or Hitler (e.g. the genuine
fascists) For them I mostly say "go read Homage to Catalonia!" to
educate themselves about fascism - that is the real thing not the
F-bomb they so freely throw about.
Are you referring to how Orwell's Homage To Catalonia was branded
as fascist when it was new, resulting in it's poor distribution?
It's at the library so it hasn't been banned yet.
Nope I was saying Homage to Catalonia was a very good way to learn
more about what GENUINE Fascists were like as opposed to the modern COUNTERFEIT kind where the word basically means "anybody I disagree
with". What Orwell was dealing with in Spain were the real article - nothing phony about them - real honest to God nasty Fascists.
My hope was of course that anybody who actually read the book wouldOh, man. Give me a break, "La Pasionaria".
tend to throw the word around less as a random epithet
On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 10:41:33 -0700, Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com>
wrote:
On 7/27/22 5:17 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 18:26:38 -0700, Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com>
wrote:
And tend to assume that most in 2022 that throw those words about know
almost nothing about Mussolini, Franco or Hitler (e.g. the genuine
fascists) For them I mostly say "go read Homage to Catalonia!" to
educate themselves about fascism - that is the real thing not the
F-bomb they so freely throw about.
Are you referring to how Orwell's Homage To Catalonia was branded
as fascist when it was new, resulting in it's poor distribution?
It's at the library so it hasn't been banned yet.
Nope I was saying Homage to Catalonia was a very good way to learn
more about what GENUINE Fascists were like as opposed to the modern COUNTERFEIT kind where the word basically means "anybody I disagree
with". What Orwell was dealing with in Spain were the real article -
nothing phony about them - real honest to God nasty Fascists.
My hope was of course that anybody who actually read the book would
tend to throw the word around less as a random epithet
Orwell said clearly in his book that he and his militia, the POUM,
were called fascists and were put on the death list, and he was nearly
killed on account of it, and his book was boycotted likewise. What
was in the book that would lead readers not to use the death threat
"fascist" other than that? I recall most of the book is about
anti-fascists attacking people.
On Sun, 4 Sep 2022 19:47:39 -0700, Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com>
wrote:
Orwell said clearly in his book that he and his militia, the POUM,
were called fascists and were put on the death list, and he was nearly
killed on account of it, and his book was boycotted likewise. What
was in the book that would lead readers not to use the death threat
"fascist" other than that? I recall most of the book is about
anti-fascists attacking people.
I'm assuming you're referring to Homage to Catalonia which to my mind
is the definitive work on what is fascism and what is not and in my
opinion is required reading for those who would use "fascist" and "anti-fascist" as epithets.
POUM was essentially an Anarchist organization which is as far from
Fascism as it gets given Fascism is about strict top down orders from
the Caudillo / Fuhrer / Duce or whatever the particular Fascist
movement chooses to call their leader. (One does need to be careful
with 'caudillo' since several authoritarian but non-fascist Latin
American governments have used the term)
Obviously there are shades of grey and people have debated at length
whether a particular government is fascist or not but no one should
be confused between Anarchists and Fascists.
If someone DOES use one when the other is appropriate I would assume
they're twisting definitions to serve their own political ends.
Being somewhat conservative I wouldn't go along with Orwell's ideas on socialism but no question he's extremely solid on terminology and what
is and is not Fascism. He made it quite clear that Big Brother and
Ingsoc was definitely totalitarian but not fascistic.
Orwell and POUM were anti-fascists but were labelled as fascists by
other anti-fascists and condemned to death by these other anti-fascists.
You find that hard to believe? Homage to Catalonia clearly describes it.
Being somewhat conservative I wouldn't go along with Orwell's ideas on
socialism but no question he's extremely solid on terminology and what
is and is not Fascism. He made it quite clear that Big Brother and
Ingsoc was definitely totalitarian but not fascistic.
have< read the book.
On 9/5/22 2:21 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2022 19:47:39 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
Orwell said clearly in his book that he and his militia, the POUM,
were called fascists and were put on the death list, and he was nearly
killed on account of it, and his book was boycotted likewise. What
was in the book that would lead readers not to use the death threat
"fascist" other than that? I recall most of the book is about
anti-fascists attacking people.
I'm assuming you're referring to Homage to Catalonia which to my mind
is the definitive work on what is fascism and what is not and in my
opinion is required reading for those who would use "fascist" and "anti-fascist" as epithets.
POUM was essentially an Anarchist organization which is as far from
Fascism as it gets given Fascism is about strict top down orders from
the Caudillo / Fuhrer / Duce or whatever the particular Fascist
movement chooses to call their leader. (One does need to be careful
with 'caudillo' since several authoritarian but non-fascist Latin
American governments have used the term)
Obviously there are shades of grey and people have debated at length whether a particular government is fascist or not but no one should
be confused between Anarchists and Fascists.
If someone DOES use one when the other is appropriate I would assume they're twisting definitions to serve their own political ends.
Orwell and POUM were anti-fascists but were labelled as fascists by
other anti-fascists and condemned to death by these other anti-fascists.
You find that hard to believe? Homage to Catalonia clearly describes it.
On 8/22/22 3:54 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 10:41:33 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
On 7/27/22 5:17 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 18:26:38 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
And tend to assume that most in 2022 that throw those words about know >>> almost nothing about Mussolini, Franco or Hitler (e.g. the genuine
fascists) For them I mostly say "go read Homage to Catalonia!" to
educate themselves about fascism - that is the real thing not the
F-bomb they so freely throw about.
Are you referring to how Orwell's Homage To Catalonia was branded
as fascist when it was new, resulting in it's poor distribution?
It's at the library so it hasn't been banned yet.
Nope I was saying Homage to Catalonia was a very good way to learn
more about what GENUINE Fascists were like as opposed to the modern COUNTERFEIT kind where the word basically means "anybody I disagree
with". What Orwell was dealing with in Spain were the real article - nothing phony about them - real honest to God nasty Fascists.
My hope was of course that anybody who actually read the book wouldOrwell said clearly in his book that he and his militia, the POUM,
tend to throw the word around less as a random epithet
were called fascists and were put on the death list, and he was nearly
killed on account of it, and his book was boycotted likewise. What
was in the book that would lead readers not to use the death threat
"fascist" other than that? I recall most of the book is about
anti-fascists attacking people.
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 10:35:51 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On 9/5/22 2:21 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2022 19:47:39 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com> wrote:
Orwell said clearly in his book that he and his militia, the POUM,
were called fascists and were put on the death list, and he was nearly >> killed on account of it, and his book was boycotted likewise. What
was in the book that would lead readers not to use the death threat
"fascist" other than that? I recall most of the book is about
anti-fascists attacking people.
I'm assuming you're referring to Homage to Catalonia which to my mind
is the definitive work on what is fascism and what is not and in my opinion is required reading for those who would use "fascist" and "anti-fascist" as epithets.
POUM was essentially an Anarchist organization which is as far from Fascism as it gets given Fascism is about strict top down orders from
the Caudillo / Fuhrer / Duce or whatever the particular Fascist
movement chooses to call their leader. (One does need to be careful
with 'caudillo' since several authoritarian but non-fascist Latin American governments have used the term)
Obviously there are shades of grey and people have debated at length whether a particular government is fascist or not but no one should
be confused between Anarchists and Fascists.
If someone DOES use one when the other is appropriate I would assume they're twisting definitions to serve their own political ends.
Orwell and POUM were anti-fascists but were labelled as fascists byI suppose I read this book in... the 1980s? (*Coming Up for Air* was also very enlightening at the same time.)
other anti-fascists and condemned to death by these other anti-fascists. You find that hard to believe? Homage to Catalonia clearly describes it.
On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 22:35:45 -0700, Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com>You completely ignored the dramatic end of the book, where Orwell
wrote:
Orwell and POUM were anti-fascists but were labelled as fascists by
other anti-fascists and condemned to death by these other anti-fascists.
You find that hard to believe? Homage to Catalonia clearly describes it.
Being somewhat conservative I wouldn't go along with Orwell's ideas on
socialism but no question he's extremely solid on terminology and what
is and is not Fascism. He made it quite clear that Big Brother and
Ingsoc was definitely totalitarian but not fascistic.
Nope - hard to believe at all - especially since unlike so many I
have< read the book.
Nope - hard to believe at all - especially since unlike so many IYou completely ignored the dramatic end of the book, where Orwell
have< read the book.
escaped from the death squads since his militia the POUM was outlawed as
a fascist 5th column movement. So go ahead and deny that the POUM
were not called fascist, I and others have read Homage to Catalonia,
a book, a person, a group described as fascist by the Communist Party.
But thanks for reminding me to re-read the book.
On 9/6/22 1:14 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 22:35:45 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
Orwell and POUM were anti-fascists but were labelled as fascists by
other anti-fascists and condemned to death by these other anti-fascists. >> You find that hard to believe? Homage to Catalonia clearly describes it. >>
Being somewhat conservative I wouldn't go along with Orwell's ideas on >>> socialism but no question he's extremely solid on terminology and what >>> is and is not Fascism. He made it quite clear that Big Brother and
Ingsoc was definitely totalitarian but not fascistic.
Nope - hard to believe at all - especially since unlike so many IYou completely ignored the dramatic end of the book, where Orwell
have< read the book.
escaped from the death squads since his militia the POUM was outlawed as
a fascist 5th column movement. So go ahead and deny that the POUM
were not called fascist, I and others have read Homage to Catalonia,
a book, a person, a group described as fascist by the Communist Party.
But thanks for reminding me to re-read the book.
On Thu, 8 Sep 2022 16:23:28 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
Nope - hard to believe at all - especially since unlike so many IYou completely ignored the dramatic end of the book, where Orwell
have< read the book.
escaped from the death squads since his militia the POUM was outlawed as
a fascist 5th column movement. So go ahead and deny that the POUM
were not called fascist, I and others have read Homage to Catalonia,
a book, a person, a group described as fascist by the Communist Party.
But thanks for reminding me to re-read the book.
No question I'm aware POUM >was< called fascist but equally I am
deeply skeptical that they WERE. Everything I've read (e.g. not just
Orwell) says they were anarchistic and moreover determined to create
an anarchistic 'regime' (not sure that term properly applies to
anarchists) wherever they could.
You are absolutely right they were called fascistic but everything
I've read says that the only sense in which they could reasonably be
called that was in terms of the modern definition of "everybody who
disagrees with me".
Which is a definition I consider full of pure bovine kaka.
Homage to Catalonia is by no means the only book on the Spanish Civil
War but it is the shortest I've seen in English that in my opinion
does a good job of coverage. There are plenty of MUCH longer histories
that do 1936-39 much better and thoroughly but while one can urge
people to read Homage to Catalonia and expect they might actually do
so, your odds that people will are far less if you recommend a 900
page tome.
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 4:23:33 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On 9/6/22 1:14 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 22:35:45 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com> wrote:
Orwell and POUM were anti-fascists but were labelled as fascists by
other anti-fascists and condemned to death by these other anti-fascists. >> You find that hard to believe? Homage to Catalonia clearly describes it. >>
Being somewhat conservative I wouldn't go along with Orwell's ideas on >>> socialism but no question he's extremely solid on terminology and what >>> is and is not Fascism. He made it quite clear that Big Brother and
Ingsoc was definitely totalitarian but not fascistic.
Nope - hard to believe at all - especially since unlike so many IYou completely ignored the dramatic end of the book, where Orwell
have< read the book.
escaped from the death squads since his militia the POUM was outlawed as
a fascist 5th column movement. So go ahead and deny that the POUM
were not called fascist, I and others have read Homage to Catalonia,
a book, a person, a group described as fascist by the Communist Party.
But thanks for reminding me to re-read the book.
So this is really... rote "anti-Communist" garbage, rather than what it seems to be?
Hmm.
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 3:59:38 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 4:23:33 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On 9/6/22 1:14 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 22:35:45 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com> wrote:
Orwell and POUM were anti-fascists but were labelled as fascists by
other anti-fascists and condemned to death by these other anti-fascists.
You find that hard to believe? Homage to Catalonia clearly describes it.
Being somewhat conservative I wouldn't go along with Orwell's ideas on
socialism but no question he's extremely solid on terminology and what
is and is not Fascism. He made it quite clear that Big Brother and >>> Ingsoc was definitely totalitarian but not fascistic.
Nope - hard to believe at all - especially since unlike so many IYou completely ignored the dramatic end of the book, where Orwell
have< read the book.
escaped from the death squads since his militia the POUM was outlawed as a fascist 5th column movement. So go ahead and deny that the POUM
were not called fascist, I and others have read Homage to Catalonia,
a book, a person, a group described as fascist by the Communist Party. But thanks for reminding me to re-read the book.
So this is really... rote "anti-Communist" garbage, rather than what it seems to be?Interestingly, this "London Bureau" confederation of leftist parties had an influence on the reconstituted Socialist International
Hmm.
in the later 20th century.
"I'm not interested."
I see.
On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:52:13 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 3:59:38 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 4:23:33 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On 9/6/22 1:14 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 22:35:45 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com> wrote:
Orwell and POUM were anti-fascists but were labelled as fascists by >> other anti-fascists and condemned to death by these other anti-fascists.
You find that hard to believe? Homage to Catalonia clearly describes it.
Being somewhat conservative I wouldn't go along with Orwell's ideas on
socialism but no question he's extremely solid on terminology and what
is and is not Fascism. He made it quite clear that Big Brother and >>> Ingsoc was definitely totalitarian but not fascistic.
Nope - hard to believe at all - especially since unlike so many IYou completely ignored the dramatic end of the book, where Orwell escaped from the death squads since his militia the POUM was outlawed as
have< read the book.
a fascist 5th column movement. So go ahead and deny that the POUM
were not called fascist, I and others have read Homage to Catalonia,
a book, a person, a group described as fascist by the Communist Party. But thanks for reminding me to re-read the book.
You didn't really have a difficulty telling them apart from Francoites, you know.So this is really... rote "anti-Communist" garbage, rather than what it seems to be?Interestingly, this "London Bureau" confederation of leftist parties had an influence on the reconstituted Socialist International
Hmm.
in the later 20th century.
"I'm not interested."
I see.
As the book actually puts it, there was an unfortunate internecine strife between them and the PCE.
"What about La Pasionaria?"
She was a member of the PCE.
On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 3:14:31 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:52:13 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 3:59:38 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 4:23:33 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On 9/6/22 1:14 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 22:35:45 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com> wrote:
Orwell and POUM were anti-fascists but were labelled as fascists by
other anti-fascists and condemned to death by these other anti-fascists.
You find that hard to believe? Homage to Catalonia clearly describes it.
Being somewhat conservative I wouldn't go along with Orwell's ideas on
socialism but no question he's extremely solid on terminology and what
is and is not Fascism. He made it quite clear that Big Brother and
Ingsoc was definitely totalitarian but not fascistic.
Nope - hard to believe at all - especially since unlike so many IYou completely ignored the dramatic end of the book, where Orwell escaped from the death squads since his militia the POUM was outlawed as
have< read the book.
a fascist 5th column movement. So go ahead and deny that the POUM were not called fascist, I and others have read Homage to Catalonia, a book, a person, a group described as fascist by the Communist Party.
But thanks for reminding me to re-read the book.
("Coming Up for Air" genuinely made about as much of an impression on me, too. The bit about the candy in the general store... well.)You didn't really have a difficulty telling them apart from Francoites, you know.So this is really... rote "anti-Communist" garbage, rather than what it seems to be?Interestingly, this "London Bureau" confederation of leftist parties had an influence on the reconstituted Socialist International
Hmm.
in the later 20th century.
"I'm not interested."
I see.
As the book actually puts it, there was an unfortunate internecine strife between them and the PCE.
"What about La Pasionaria?"
She was a member of the PCE.
On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 12:05:32 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 3:14:31 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:52:13 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 3:59:38 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 4:23:33 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On 9/6/22 1:14 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 22:35:45 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
Orwell and POUM were anti-fascists but were labelled as fascists by
other anti-fascists and condemned to death by these other anti-fascists.
You find that hard to believe? Homage to Catalonia clearly describes it.
Being somewhat conservative I wouldn't go along with Orwell's ideas on
socialism but no question he's extremely solid on terminology and what
is and is not Fascism. He made it quite clear that Big Brother and
Ingsoc was definitely totalitarian but not fascistic.
Nope - hard to believe at all - especially since unlike so many IYou completely ignored the dramatic end of the book, where Orwell escaped from the death squads since his militia the POUM was outlawed as
have< read the book.
a fascist 5th column movement. So go ahead and deny that the POUM were not called fascist, I and others have read Homage to Catalonia,
a book, a person, a group described as fascist by the Communist Party.
But thanks for reminding me to re-read the book.
"Were the POUM in England, then?"("Coming Up for Air" genuinely made about as much of an impression on me, too. The bit about the candy in the general store... well.)You didn't really have a difficulty telling them apart from Francoites, you know.So this is really... rote "anti-Communist" garbage, rather than what it seems to be?Interestingly, this "London Bureau" confederation of leftist parties had an influence on the reconstituted Socialist International
Hmm.
in the later 20th century.
"I'm not interested."
I see.
As the book actually puts it, there was an unfortunate internecine strife between them and the PCE.
"What about La Pasionaria?"
She was a member of the PCE.
No. That was the ILP that Orwell was a member of.
"I don't like it."
I don't think that's how that works, guy.
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:47:44 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On 8/22/22 3:54 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 10:41:33 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com> wrote:
On 7/27/22 5:17 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 18:26:38 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com> wrote:
And tend to assume that most in 2022 that throw those words about know
almost nothing about Mussolini, Franco or Hitler (e.g. the genuine fascists) For them I mostly say "go read Homage to Catalonia!" to educate themselves about fascism - that is the real thing not the F-bomb they so freely throw about.
Are you referring to how Orwell's Homage To Catalonia was branded
as fascist when it was new, resulting in it's poor distribution?
It's at the library so it hasn't been banned yet.
Nope I was saying Homage to Catalonia was a very good way to learn
more about what GENUINE Fascists were like as opposed to the modern COUNTERFEIT kind where the word basically means "anybody I disagree with". What Orwell was dealing with in Spain were the real article - nothing phony about them - real honest to God nasty Fascists.
My hope was of course that anybody who actually read the book wouldOrwell said clearly in his book that he and his militia, the POUM,
tend to throw the word around less as a random epithet
were called fascists and were put on the death list, and he was nearly killed on account of it, and his book was boycotted likewise. What
was in the book that would lead readers not to use the death threat "fascist" other than that? I recall most of the book is about
anti-fascists attacking people.
They weren't "his militia". They were a left-wing party in league with
the organization he belonged to, the Independent Labour Party.
On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:52:13 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 3:59:38 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 4:23:33 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On 9/6/22 1:14 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 22:35:45 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com> wrote:
Orwell and POUM were anti-fascists but were labelled as fascists by other anti-fascists and condemned to death by these other anti-fascists.
You find that hard to believe? Homage to Catalonia clearly describes it.
Being somewhat conservative I wouldn't go along with Orwell's ideas on
socialism but no question he's extremely solid on terminology and what
is and is not Fascism. He made it quite clear that Big Brother and
Ingsoc was definitely totalitarian but not fascistic.
Interestingly, this "London Bureau" confederation of leftist parties had an influence on the reconstituted Socialist InternationalSo this is really... rote "anti-Communist" garbage, rather than what it seems to be?Nope - hard to believe at all - especially since unlike so many IYou completely ignored the dramatic end of the book, where Orwell escaped from the death squads since his militia the POUM was outlawed as
have< read the book.
a fascist 5th column movement. So go ahead and deny that the POUM
were not called fascist, I and others have read Homage to Catalonia,
a book, a person, a group described as fascist by the Communist Party. But thanks for reminding me to re-read the book.
Hmm.
in the later 20th century.
"I'm not interested."
I see.
You didn't really have a difficulty telling them apart from Francoites, you know.
As the book actually puts it, there was an unfortunate internecine strife between them and the PCE.
"What about La Pasionaria?"
She was a member of the PCE.
On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 15:14:30 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<f324dbc0-0afc-432d...@googlegroups.com>):
On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:52:13 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 3:59:38 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 4:23:33 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On 9/6/22 1:14 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 22:35:45 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com> wrote:
Orwell and POUM were anti-fascists but were labelled as fascists by
other anti-fascists and condemned to death by these other anti-fascists.
You find that hard to believe? Homage to Catalonia clearly describes it.
Being somewhat conservative I wouldn't go along with Orwell's ideas on
socialism but no question he's extremely solid on terminology and what
is and is not Fascism. He made it quite clear that Big Brother and
Ingsoc was definitely totalitarian but not fascistic.
Interestingly, this "London Bureau" confederation of leftist parties had an influence on the reconstituted Socialist InternationalSo this is really... rote "anti-Communist" garbage, rather than what it seems to be?Nope - hard to believe at all - especially since unlike so many IYou completely ignored the dramatic end of the book, where Orwell escaped from the death squads since his militia the POUM was outlawed as
have< read the book.
a fascist 5th column movement. So go ahead and deny that the POUM were not called fascist, I and others have read Homage to Catalonia, a book, a person, a group described as fascist by the Communist Party.
But thanks for reminding me to re-read the book.
Hmm.
in the later 20th century.
"I'm not interested."
I see.
You didn't really have a difficulty telling them apart from Francoites, you know.The Communists' (PCE) La Pasionaria also attacked El Campesino
As the book actually puts it, there was an unfortunate internecine strife between them and the PCE.
"What about La Pasionaria?"
She was a member of the PCE.
and he was imprisoned when he went to the Soviet Union.
from the book: Life And Death in Society Russia, by El
Campesino
On Tue, 06 Sep 2022 14:18:52 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<b940a7e7-310b-40cf...@googlegroups.com>):
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:47:44 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On 8/22/22 3:54 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 10:41:33 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com> wrote:
On 7/27/22 5:17 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 18:26:38 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
And tend to assume that most in 2022 that throw those words about know
almost nothing about Mussolini, Franco or Hitler (e.g. the genuine fascists) For them I mostly say "go read Homage to Catalonia!" to educate themselves about fascism - that is the real thing not the F-bomb they so freely throw about.
Are you referring to how Orwell's Homage To Catalonia was branded
as fascist when it was new, resulting in it's poor distribution?
It's at the library so it hasn't been banned yet.
Nope I was saying Homage to Catalonia was a very good way to learn
more about what GENUINE Fascists were like as opposed to the modern COUNTERFEIT kind where the word basically means "anybody I disagree with". What Orwell was dealing with in Spain were the real article - nothing phony about them - real honest to God nasty Fascists.
My hope was of course that anybody who actually read the book would tend to throw the word around less as a random epithetOrwell said clearly in his book that he and his militia, the POUM,
were called fascists and were put on the death list, and he was nearly killed on account of it, and his book was boycotted likewise. What
was in the book that would lead readers not to use the death threat "fascist" other than that? I recall most of the book is about anti-fascists attacking people.
They weren't "his militia". They were a left-wing party in league withOrwell was in a militia, the militia he was in was his
the organization he belonged to, the Independent Labour Party.
militia.
On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 15:14:30 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<f324dbc0-0afc-432d...@googlegroups.com>):
On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:52:13 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 3:59:38 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 4:23:33 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On 9/6/22 1:14 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 22:35:45 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
Orwell and POUM were anti-fascists but were labelled as fascists by
other anti-fascists and condemned to death by these other anti-fascists.
You find that hard to believe? Homage to Catalonia clearly describes it.
Being somewhat conservative I wouldn't go along with Orwell's ideas on
socialism but no question he's extremely solid on terminology and what
is and is not Fascism. He made it quite clear that Big Brother and
Ingsoc was definitely totalitarian but not fascistic.
Interestingly, this "London Bureau" confederation of leftist parties had an influence on the reconstituted Socialist InternationalSo this is really... rote "anti-Communist" garbage, rather than what it seems to be?Nope - hard to believe at all - especially since unlike so many IYou completely ignored the dramatic end of the book, where Orwell escaped from the death squads since his militia the POUM was outlawed as
have< read the book.
a fascist 5th column movement. So go ahead and deny that the POUM were not called fascist, I and others have read Homage to Catalonia,
a book, a person, a group described as fascist by the Communist Party.
But thanks for reminding me to re-read the book.
Hmm.
in the later 20th century.
"I'm not interested."
I see.
You didn't really have a difficulty telling them apart from Francoites, you know.The Communists' (PCE) La Pasionaria also attacked El Campesino
As the book actually puts it, there was an unfortunate internecine strife between them and the PCE.
"What about La Pasionaria?"
She was a member of the PCE.
and he was imprisoned when he went to the Soviet Union.
from the book: Life And Death in Society Russia, by ElDamn, dude, you must really hate Latinos.
Campesino
("La Pasionaria was Spanish. She was such a huge celebrity, and her PC utterances were so strident, that you could never call her on anything.")
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 1:08:05 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 15:14:30 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<f324dbc0-0afc-432d...@googlegroups.com>):
On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:52:13 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 3:59:38 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 4:23:33 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On 9/6/22 1:14 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 22:35:45 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
Orwell and POUM were anti-fascists but were labelled as fascists by
other anti-fascists and condemned to death by these other anti-fascists.
You find that hard to believe? Homage to Catalonia clearly describes it.
Being somewhat conservative I wouldn't go along with Orwell's ideas on
socialism but no question he's extremely solid on terminology and what
is and is not Fascism. He made it quite clear that Big Brother and
Ingsoc was definitely totalitarian but not fascistic.
Interestingly, this "London Bureau" confederation of leftist parties had an influence on the reconstituted Socialist InternationalSo this is really... rote "anti-Communist" garbage, rather than what it seems to be?Nope - hard to believe at all - especially since unlike so many IYou completely ignored the dramatic end of the book, where Orwell escaped from the death squads since his militia the POUM was outlawed as
have< read the book.
a fascist 5th column movement. So go ahead and deny that the POUM were not called fascist, I and others have read Homage to Catalonia,
a book, a person, a group described as fascist by the Communist Party.
But thanks for reminding me to re-read the book.
Hmm.
in the later 20th century.
"I'm not interested."
I see.
You didn't really have a difficulty telling them apart from Francoites, you know.The Communists' (PCE) La Pasionaria also attacked El Campesino
As the book actually puts it, there was an unfortunate internecine strife between them and the PCE.
"What about La Pasionaria?"
She was a member of the PCE.
and he was imprisoned when he went to the Soviet Union.
*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me, though, so maybe I don't know enough here.from the book: Life And Death in Society Russia, by ElDamn, dude, you must really hate Latinos.
Campesino
("La Pasionaria was Spanish. She was such a huge celebrity, and her PC utterances were so strident, that you could never call her on anything.")
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 1:53:32 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 1:08:05 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 15:14:30 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<f324dbc0-0afc-432d...@googlegroups.com>):
On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:52:13 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 3:59:38 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 4:23:33 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On 9/6/22 1:14 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 22:35:45 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
Orwell and POUM were anti-fascists but were labelled as fascists by
other anti-fascists and condemned to death by these other anti-fascists.
You find that hard to believe? Homage to Catalonia clearly describes it.
Being somewhat conservative I wouldn't go along with Orwell's ideas on
socialism but no question he's extremely solid on terminology and what
is and is not Fascism. He made it quite clear that Big Brother and
Ingsoc was definitely totalitarian but not fascistic.
Interestingly, this "London Bureau" confederation of leftist parties had an influence on the reconstituted Socialist InternationalSo this is really... rote "anti-Communist" garbage, rather than what it seems to be?Nope - hard to believe at all - especially since unlike so many IYou completely ignored the dramatic end of the book, where Orwell
have< read the book.
escaped from the death squads since his militia the POUM was outlawed as
a fascist 5th column movement. So go ahead and deny that the POUM
were not called fascist, I and others have read Homage to Catalonia,
a book, a person, a group described as fascist by the Communist Party.
But thanks for reminding me to re-read the book.
Hmm.
in the later 20th century.
"I'm not interested."
I see.
You didn't really have a difficulty telling them apart from Francoites, you know.The Communists' (PCE) La Pasionaria also attacked El Campesino
As the book actually puts it, there was an unfortunate internecine strife between them and the PCE.
"What about La Pasionaria?"
She was a member of the PCE.
and he was imprisoned when he went to the Soviet Union.
(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm not sure, I guess.)*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me, though, so maybe I don't know enough here.from the book: Life And Death in Society Russia, by ElDamn, dude, you must really hate Latinos.
Campesino
("La Pasionaria was Spanish. She was such a huge celebrity, and her PC utterances were so strident, that you could never call her on anything.")
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 4:08:18 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 1:53:32 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 1:08:05 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 15:14:30 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<f324dbc0-0afc-432d...@googlegroups.com>):
On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:52:13 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 3:59:38 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 4:23:33 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On 9/6/22 1:14 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 22:35:45 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
Orwell and POUM were anti-fascists but were labelled as fascists by
other anti-fascists and condemned to death by these other anti-fascists.
You find that hard to believe? Homage to Catalonia clearly describes it.
Being somewhat conservative I wouldn't go along with Orwell's ideas on
socialism but no question he's extremely solid on terminology and what
is and is not Fascism. He made it quite clear that Big Brother and
Ingsoc was definitely totalitarian but not fascistic.
Interestingly, this "London Bureau" confederation of leftist parties had an influence on the reconstituted Socialist InternationalSo this is really... rote "anti-Communist" garbage, rather than what it seems to be?Nope - hard to believe at all - especially since unlike so many IYou completely ignored the dramatic end of the book, where Orwell
have< read the book.
escaped from the death squads since his militia the POUM was outlawed as
a fascist 5th column movement. So go ahead and deny that the POUM
were not called fascist, I and others have read Homage to Catalonia,
a book, a person, a group described as fascist by the Communist Party.
But thanks for reminding me to re-read the book.
Hmm.
in the later 20th century.
"I'm not interested."
I see.
You didn't really have a difficulty telling them apart from Francoites, you know.The Communists' (PCE) La Pasionaria also attacked El Campesino
As the book actually puts it, there was an unfortunate internecine strife between them and the PCE.
"What about La Pasionaria?"
She was a member of the PCE.
and he was imprisoned when he went to the Soviet Union.
It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain years is "misdirective", though.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm not sure, I guess.)*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me, though, so maybe I don't know enough here.from the book: Life And Death in Society Russia, by ElDamn, dude, you must really hate Latinos.
Campesino
("La Pasionaria was Spanish. She was such a huge celebrity, and her PC utterances were so strident, that you could never call her on anything.")
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda stuff.)
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 1:52:22 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 4:08:18 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 1:53:32 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 1:08:05 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 15:14:30 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<f324dbc0-0afc-432d...@googlegroups.com>):
On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:52:13 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 3:59:38 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 4:23:33 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On 9/6/22 1:14 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 22:35:45 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
Orwell and POUM were anti-fascists but were labelled as fascists by
other anti-fascists and condemned to death by these other anti-fascists.
You find that hard to believe? Homage to Catalonia clearly describes it.
Being somewhat conservative I wouldn't go along with Orwell's ideas on
socialism but no question he's extremely solid on terminology and what
is and is not Fascism. He made it quite clear that Big Brother and
Ingsoc was definitely totalitarian but not fascistic.
Interestingly, this "London Bureau" confederation of leftist parties had an influence on the reconstituted Socialist InternationalSo this is really... rote "anti-Communist" garbage, rather than what it seems to be?Nope - hard to believe at all - especially since unlike so many IYou completely ignored the dramatic end of the book, where Orwell
have< read the book.
escaped from the death squads since his militia the POUM was outlawed as
a fascist 5th column movement. So go ahead and deny that the POUM
were not called fascist, I and others have read Homage to Catalonia,
a book, a person, a group described as fascist by the Communist Party.
But thanks for reminding me to re-read the book.
Hmm.
in the later 20th century.
"I'm not interested."
I see.
You didn't really have a difficulty telling them apart from Francoites, you know.The Communists' (PCE) La Pasionaria also attacked El Campesino
As the book actually puts it, there was an unfortunate internecine strife between them and the PCE.
"What about La Pasionaria?"
She was a member of the PCE.
and he was imprisoned when he went to the Soviet Union.
"What about *Burmese Days*?"It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain years is "misdirective", though.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm not sure, I guess.)*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me, though, so maybe I don't know enough here.from the book: Life And Death in Society Russia, by ElDamn, dude, you must really hate Latinos.
Campesino
("La Pasionaria was Spanish. She was such a huge celebrity, and her PC utterances were so strident, that you could never call her on anything.")
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda stuff.)
It was not 100% important for me, no.
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 2:31:59 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 1:52:22 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 4:08:18 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 1:53:32 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 1:08:05 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 15:14:30 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<f324dbc0-0afc-432d...@googlegroups.com>):
On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:52:13 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 3:59:38 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 4:23:33 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On 9/6/22 1:14 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 22:35:45 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
Orwell and POUM were anti-fascists but were labelled as fascists by
other anti-fascists and condemned to death by these other anti-fascists.
You find that hard to believe? Homage to Catalonia clearly describes it.
Being somewhat conservative I wouldn't go along with Orwell's ideas on
socialism but no question he's extremely solid on terminology and what
is and is not Fascism. He made it quite clear that Big Brother and
Ingsoc was definitely totalitarian but not fascistic.
Interestingly, this "London Bureau" confederation of leftist parties had an influence on the reconstituted Socialist InternationalSo this is really... rote "anti-Communist" garbage, rather than what it seems to be?Nope - hard to believe at all - especially since unlike so many IYou completely ignored the dramatic end of the book, where Orwell
have< read the book.
escaped from the death squads since his militia the POUM was outlawed as
a fascist 5th column movement. So go ahead and deny that the POUM
were not called fascist, I and others have read Homage to Catalonia,
a book, a person, a group described as fascist by the Communist Party.
But thanks for reminding me to re-read the book.
Hmm.
in the later 20th century.
"I'm not interested."
I see.
You didn't really have a difficulty telling them apart from Francoites, you know.The Communists' (PCE) La Pasionaria also attacked El Campesino and he was imprisoned when he went to the Soviet Union.
As the book actually puts it, there was an unfortunate internecine strife between them and the PCE.
"What about La Pasionaria?"
She was a member of the PCE.
*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though."What about *Burmese Days*?"It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain years is "misdirective", though.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm not sure, I guess.)*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me, though, so maybe I don't know enough here.from the book: Life And Death in Society Russia, by ElDamn, dude, you must really hate Latinos.
Campesino
("La Pasionaria was Spanish. She was such a huge celebrity, and her PC utterances were so strident, that you could never call her on anything.")
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda stuff.)
It was not 100% important for me, no.
*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though."What about *Burmese Days*?"It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain years is "misdirective", though.*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me, though, so maybe I don't know enough here.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm not sure, I guess.)
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda stuff.)
It was not 100% important for me, no.
And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in Paris and London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a preteen.
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da-9def-816260dd736cn@googlegroups.com>):
*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though.It was not 100% important for me, no.It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain years is "misdirective", though.*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me, though, so maybe I don't know enough here.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm not sure, I guess.)
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda stuff.) >> > > "What about *Burmese Days*?"
And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in Paris and London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a preteen.
I’ve read that, but I haven’t read Road to Wagon Pier yet.
On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though."What about *Burmese Days*?"It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain years is "misdirective", though.*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me, though, so maybe I don't know enough here.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm not sure, I guess.)
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda stuff.)
It was not 100% important for me, no.
And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in Paris and London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a preteen.
I’ve read that, but I haven’t read Road to Wagon Pier yet.
I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road to Wigan
Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak) though in
my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nineteen
Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!)
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though."What about *Burmese Days*?"It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain years is "misdirective", though.*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me, though, so maybe I don't know enough here.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm not sure, I guess.)
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda stuff.)
It was not 100% important for me, no.
And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in Paris and London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a preteen.
I’ve read that, but I haven’t read Road to Wagon Pier yet.
I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road to WiganWell, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science fiction, and what
Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak) though in
my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nineteen Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!)
he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Party (which
he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a British socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM groups in Spain, "opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE as
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though."What about *Burmese Days*?"It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me,(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm >> > > > > not sure, I guess.)
though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
years is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda >> > > > stuff.)
It was not 100% important for me, no.
And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in Paris and
London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a preteen.
I’ve read that, but I haven’t read Road to Wagon Pier yet.
I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road to WiganWell, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science fiction, and what
Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak) though in
my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nineteen Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!)
he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Party (which
he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a British socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM groups in Spain, "opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE as
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm not sure.
In article <0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though."What about *Burmese Days*?"It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain >> > > > years is "misdirective", though.*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me,(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm
though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
not sure, I guess.)
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda
stuff.)
It was not 100% important for me, no.
And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in Paris and
London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a preteen.
I’ve read that, but I haven’t read Road to Wagon Pier yet.
I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road to Wigan Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak) though in my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nineteen Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!)Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science fiction, and what he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Party (which
he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a British socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM groups in Spain,
"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE as
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm not sure.He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newspaper Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward wrote:
In article <0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though."What about *Burmese Days*?"It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me, >> > > > > > though, so maybe I don't know enough here.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm
not sure, I guess.)
years is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda
stuff.)
It was not 100% important for me, no.
And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in Paris and >> London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a preteen.
I’ve read that, but I haven’t read Road to Wagon Pier yet.
I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road to Wigan Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak) though inWell, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science fiction, and what
my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nineteen Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!)
he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Party (which he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a British socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM groups in Spain,
"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE as
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
Oh, yeah, sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm not sure.He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newspaper Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward wrote:
In article <0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though."What about *Burmese Days*?"It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me, >> > > > > > though, so maybe I don't know enough here.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm
not sure, I guess.)
years is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda
stuff.)
It was not 100% important for me, no.
And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in Paris and
London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a preteen.
I’ve read that, but I haven’t read Road to Wagon Pier yet.
I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road to Wigan Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak) though inWell, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science fiction, and what
my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nineteen Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!)
he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Party (which he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a British socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM groups in Spain,
"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE as
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
"And Orwell was..."Oh, yeah, sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm not sure.He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newspaper Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" right now?
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward wrote:
In article <0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though."What about *Burmese Days*?"It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me,(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm
though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
not sure, I guess.)
years is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda
stuff.)
It was not 100% important for me, no.
And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in Paris and
London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a preteen.
I’ve read that, but I haven’t read Road to Wagon Pier yet.
I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road to WiganWell, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science fiction, and what
Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak) though in
my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nineteen Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!)
he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Party (which
he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a British
socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM groups in Spain,
"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE as part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
"I don't think so.""And Orwell was..."Oh, yeah, sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm not sure.He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newspaper Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" right now?
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the common idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-uninformed but highly definite suggestions?
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward wrote:
In article <0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in Paris and*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though. >>"What about *Burmese Days*?"It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me,(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm
though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
not sure, I guess.)
years is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda
stuff.)
It was not 100% important for me, no.
London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a preteen.
I’ve read that, but I haven’t read Road to Wagon Pier yet.
I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road to WiganWell, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science fiction, and what
Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak) though in
my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nineteen
Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!)
he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Party (which
he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a British
socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM groups in Spain,
"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE as part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
"Um?"I don't think so.""And Orwell was..."Oh, yeah, sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm not sure.He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newspaper Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" right now?
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the common idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-uninformed but highly definite suggestions?
Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a topic they were perhaps better-informed about?
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward wrote:
In article <0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote >(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though."What about *Burmese Days*?"It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me,(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm
though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
not sure, I guess.)
years is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda
stuff.)
It was not 100% important for me, no.
And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in Paris and
London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a preteen.
I’ve read that, but I haven’t read Road to Wagon Pier yet.
I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road to WiganWell, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science fiction, and what
Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak) though in
my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nineteen
Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!)
he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Party (which
he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a British
socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM groups in Spain,
"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE as
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
Is it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particular purpose, and an alternate conjecture"Um?"I don't think so.""And Orwell was..."Oh, yeah, sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm not sure.He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newspaper
Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" right now?
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the common idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-uninformed but highly definite suggestions?
Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a topic they were perhaps better-informed about?
(or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward wrote:
In article <0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote >(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though."What about *Burmese Days*?"It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me,(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm
though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
not sure, I guess.)
years is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda
stuff.)
It was not 100% important for me, no.
And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in Paris and
London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a preteen.
I’ve read that, but I haven’t read Road to Wagon Pier yet.
I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road to WiganWell, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science fiction, and what
Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak) though in
my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nineteen
Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!)
he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Party (which
he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a British
socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM groups in Spain,
"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE as
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
Yeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in some to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequateIs it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particular purpose, and an alternate conjecture"Um?"I don't think so.""And Orwell was..."Oh, yeah, sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm not sure.He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newspaper
Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" right now?
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the common idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-uninformed but highly definite suggestions?
Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a topic they were perhaps better-informed about?
(or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
as regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the historical events themselves. It seems like
a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 1:43:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward wrote:
In article <0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though."What about *Burmese Days*?"It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me,not sure, I guess.)
though, so maybe I don't know enough here. >> > > > > (I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm
years is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda
stuff.)
It was not 100% important for me, no.
And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in Paris and
London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a preteen.
I’ve read that, but I haven’t read Road to Wagon Pier yet.
I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road to WiganWell, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science fiction, and what
Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak) though in
my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nineteen
Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!)
he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Party (which
he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a British
socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM groups in Spain,
"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE as
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
It's like it's a "4chan" routine or something.Yeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in some to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequateIs it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particular purpose, and an alternate conjecture"Um?"I don't think so.""And Orwell was..."Oh, yeah, sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm not sure.He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newspaper
Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" right now?
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the common idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-uninformed but highly definite suggestions?
Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a topic they were perhaps better-informed about?
(or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
as regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the historical events themselves. It seems like
a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 4:58:07 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 1:43:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward wrote:
In article <0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though."What about *Burmese Days*?"It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me,(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm
though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
not sure, I guess.)
years is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda
stuff.)
It was not 100% important for me, no.
And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in Paris and
London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a preteen.
I’ve read that, but I haven’t read Road to Wagon Pier yet.
I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road to WiganWell, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science fiction, and what
Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak) though in
my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nineteen
Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!)
he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Party (which
he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a British
socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM groups in Spain,
"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE as
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
"Maybe it is."It's like it's a "4chan" routine or something.Yeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in some to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequateIs it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particular purpose, and an alternate conjecture"Um?"I don't think so.""And Orwell was..."Oh, yeah, sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm not sure.He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newspaper
Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" right now?
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the common idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-uninformed but highly definite suggestions?
Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a topic they were perhaps better-informed about?
(or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
as regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the historical events themselves. It seems like
a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
Well, the facts of Orwell's years in Spain are well-enough known separately from your "can't-miss routine", though.
Its flaws show through more easily than you think.
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 2:41:48 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 4:58:07 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 1:43:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward wrote:
In article <0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>, Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though."What about *Burmese Days*?"It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me,(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm
though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
not sure, I guess.)
years is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda
stuff.)
It was not 100% important for me, no.
And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in Paris and
London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a preteen.
I’ve read that, but I haven’t read Road to Wagon Pier yet.
I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road to WiganWell, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science fiction, and what
Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak) though in
my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nineteen
Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!)
he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Party (which
he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a British
socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM groups in Spain,
"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE as
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
That would be my "presentiment" on the topic, anyhow."Maybe it is."It's like it's a "4chan" routine or something.Yeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in some to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequateIs it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particular purpose, and an alternate conjecture"Um?"I don't think so.""And Orwell was..."Oh, yeah, sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm not sure.He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newspaper
Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" right now?
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the common idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-uninformed but highly definite suggestions?
Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a topic they were perhaps better-informed about?
(or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
as regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the historical events themselves. It seems like
a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
Well, the facts of Orwell's years in Spain are well-enough known separately from your "can't-miss routine", though.
Its flaws show through more easily than you think.
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward wrote:
In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote (in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though."What about *Burmese Days*?"It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me,(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm
though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
not sure, I guess.)
years is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda
stuff.)
It was not 100% important for me, no.
And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in Paris and
London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a preteen.
Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science fiction, and whatI’ve read that, but I haven’t read Road to Wagon Pier yet.I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road to Wigan
Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak) though in
my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nineteen
Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!)
he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Party (which
he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a British
socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM groups in Spain,
"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE as
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
Is it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particular purpose, and an alternate conjecture"Um?"I don't think so.""And Orwell was..."Oh, yeah, sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm not sure.He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newspaper
Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" right now?
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the common idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-uninformed but highly definite suggestions?
Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a topic they were perhaps better-informed about?
(or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
Yeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in some to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequate
as regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the historical events themselves. It seems like
a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wroterote:
(in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf-bfb0-1d94eeb6be8fn@googlegroups.com>):
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
d wrote:In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
Goat wrote:On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
look.com>On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
h to me,wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
ter*, but I'mthough, so maybe I don't know enough here.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
ell's Spainnot sure, I guess.)It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
gade'?" kindayears is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
gh.*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, thostuff.)"What about *Burmese Days*?"
It was not 100% important for me, no.
Paris andAnd I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
teen.London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
yet.I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
to WiganI haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
though inPier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
teenmy opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
n, and whatEighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!
Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
(whichhe was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
Britishhe formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a
ups in Spain,socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
as"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
ot sure.part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
perHe was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
ght now?"And Orwell was..."Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).Oh, yeah, sure.
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?"I don't think so."
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
informed but highly definite suggestions?"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
c they were perhaps better-informed about?"Um?
Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
ar purpose, and an alternate conjectureIs it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequate(or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
Yeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
orical events themselves. It seems likeas regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
"Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
"Which militia?"
"His militia was the POUM's"
That's how the grammar works.
Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel by
Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It's
just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:27:19 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:15:25 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote
(in article<0001HW.290110ED0...@news.giganews.com>):
On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
rote:On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>, Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
d wrote:On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
Goat wrote:On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
look.com>On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
h to me,*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
ter*, but I'mthough, so maybe I don't know enough here.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
ell's Spainnot sure, I guess.)It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
gade'?" kindayears is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
gh.*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, thostuff.)"What about *Burmese Days*?"
It was not 100% important for me, no.
Paris andAnd I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
teen.London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
yet.I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
to WiganI haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
though inPier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
teenmy opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
n, and whatEighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
(whichhe was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
Britishhe formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a
ups in Spain,socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
as"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
ot sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
perHe was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
ght now?"And Orwell was..."Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).Oh, yeah, sure.
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?"I don't think so."
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
informed but highly definite suggestions?"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
c they were perhaps better-informed about?"Um?
Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
ar purpose, and an alternate conjectureIs it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
(or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequateYeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
orical events themselves. It seems likeas regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
"Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
"Which militia?"
"His militia was the POUM's"
That's how the grammar works.
Americans also don't "capitalize" words in that fashion -- it makes them "feyly" unbelievable.Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel byNot a Ghost Novel, but a Mystery, that had a ghost-like element
Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It's
just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
in it.
"Oh, I'm feyly believable."
Yeah, about that...
On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward wrote:
In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though."What about *Burmese Days*?"It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me,(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm
though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
not sure, I guess.)
years is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda
stuff.)
It was not 100% important for me, no.
And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in Paris and
London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a preteen.
Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science fiction, and whatI’ve read that, but I haven’t read Road to Wagon Pier yet.I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road to Wigan
Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak) though in
my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nineteen
Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!)
he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Party (which
he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a British
socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM groups in Spain,
"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE as
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
Is it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particular purpose, and an alternate conjecture"Um?"I don't think so.""And Orwell was..."Oh, yeah, sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm not sure.He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newspaper
Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" right now?
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the common idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-uninformed but highly definite suggestions?
Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a topic they were perhaps better-informed about?
(or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
Yeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in some to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequate"Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
as regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the historical events themselves. It seems like
a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
"Which militia?"
"His militia was the POUM's"
That's how the grammar works.
Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel by
Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It's
just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:15:25 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote
(in article<0001HW.290110ED0...@news.giganews.com>):
On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
rote:On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
d wrote:On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
Goat wrote:On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
look.com>On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
h to me,*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
ter*, but I'mthough, so maybe I don't know enough here.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
ell's Spainnot sure, I guess.)It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
gade'?" kindayears is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
gh.*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, thostuff.)"What about *Burmese Days*?"
It was not 100% important for me, no.
Paris andAnd I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
teen.London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
yet.I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
to WiganI haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
though inPier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
teenmy opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
n, and whatEighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
(whichhe was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
Britishhe formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a
ups in Spain,socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
as"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
ot sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
perHe was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
ght now?"And Orwell was..."Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).Oh, yeah, sure.
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?"I don't think so."
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
informed but highly definite suggestions?"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
c they were perhaps better-informed about?"Um?
Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
ar purpose, and an alternate conjectureIs it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
(or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequateYeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
orical events themselves. It seems likeas regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
"Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
"Which militia?"
"His militia was the POUM's"
That's how the grammar works.
Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel byNot a Ghost Novel, but a Mystery, that had a ghost-like element
Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It's
just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
in it.
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:11:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:27:19 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:15:25 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote
(in article<0001HW.290110ED0...@news.giganews.com>):
On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
rote:On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>, Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
d wrote:On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
Goat wrote:On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
look.com>On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
h to me,*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
ter*, but I'mthough, so maybe I don't know enough here.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
ell's Spainnot sure, I guess.)It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
gade'?" kindayears is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
gh.*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, thostuff.)"What about *Burmese Days*?"
It was not 100% important for me, no.
Paris andAnd I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
teen.London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
yet.I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
to WiganI haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
though inPier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
teenmy opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
n, and whatEighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
(whichhe was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
Britishhe formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a
ups in Spain,socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
as"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
ot sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
perHe was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
ght now?"And Orwell was..."Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).Oh, yeah, sure.
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?"I don't think so."
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
informed but highly definite suggestions?"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
c they were perhaps better-informed about?"Um?
Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
ar purpose, and an alternate conjectureIs it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
(or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequateYeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
orical events themselves. It seems likeas regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
"Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
"Which militia?"
"His militia was the POUM's"
That's how the grammar works.
Just generally, if you think there is a "classic con" involving British novels... well...Americans also don't "capitalize" words in that fashion -- it makes them "feyly" unbelievable.Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel byNot a Ghost Novel, but a Mystery, that had a ghost-like element
Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It's
just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
in it.
"Oh, I'm feyly believable."
Yeah, about that...
It's not "key" to their mythology.
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:13:51 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:11:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:27:19 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:15:25 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote
(in article<0001HW.290110ED0...@news.giganews.com>):
On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
rote:On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>, Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
d wrote:On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
Goat wrote:On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
look.com>On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
h to me,*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
ter*, but I'mthough, so maybe I don't know enough here.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
ell's Spainnot sure, I guess.)It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
gade'?" kindayears is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
gh.*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, thostuff.)"What about *Burmese Days*?"
It was not 100% important for me, no.
Paris andAnd I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
teen.London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
yet.I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
to WiganI haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
though inPier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
teenmy opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
n, and whatEighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
(whichhe was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
Britishhe formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a
ups in Spain,socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
as"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
ot sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
perHe was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
ght now?"And Orwell was..."Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).Oh, yeah, sure.
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?"I don't think so."
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
informed but highly definite suggestions?"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
c they were perhaps better-informed about?"Um?
Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
ar purpose, and an alternate conjectureIs it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
(or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequateYeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
orical events themselves. It seems likeas regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
"Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
"Which militia?"
"His militia was the POUM's"
That's how the grammar works.
Like there could be a "key to all the mythologies", anyway.Just generally, if you think there is a "classic con" involving British novels... well...Americans also don't "capitalize" words in that fashion -- it makes them "feyly" unbelievable.Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel byNot a Ghost Novel, but a Mystery, that had a ghost-like element
Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It's
just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
in it.
"Oh, I'm feyly believable."
Yeah, about that...
It's not "key" to their mythology.
On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 3:14:06 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:13:51 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:11:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:27:19 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:15:25 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote
(in article<0001HW.290110ED0...@news.giganews.com>):
On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
rote:On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>, Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
d wrote:On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
Goat wrote:On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
look.com>On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
h to me,*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
ter*, but I'mthough, so maybe I don't know enough here.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
ell's Spainnot sure, I guess.)It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
gade'?" kindayears is "misdirective", though. ("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
gh.*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, thostuff.)"What about *Burmese Days*?"
It was not 100% important for me, no.
Paris andAnd I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
teen.London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
yet.I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
to WiganI haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
though inPier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
teenmy opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
n, and whatEighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
(whichhe was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
Britishhe formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a
ups in Spain,socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
as"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
ot sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
perHe was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
ght now?"And Orwell was..."Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).Oh, yeah, sure.
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?"I don't think so."
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
informed but highly definite suggestions?"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
c they were perhaps better-informed about?"Um?
Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
ar purpose, and an alternate conjectureIs it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
(or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequateYeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
orical events themselves. It seems likeas regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
"Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
"Which militia?"
"His militia was the POUM's"
That's how the grammar works.
(The *New Science* sure doesn't count, that's for sure.)Like there could be a "key to all the mythologies", anyway.Just generally, if you think there is a "classic con" involving British novels... well...Americans also don't "capitalize" words in that fashion -- it makes them "feyly" unbelievable.Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel byNot a Ghost Novel, but a Mystery, that had a ghost-like element
Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It's
just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
in it.
"Oh, I'm feyly believable."
Yeah, about that...
It's not "key" to their mythology.
On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:43:22 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 3:14:06 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:13:51 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:11:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:27:19 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:15:25 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote
(in article<0001HW.290110ED0...@news.giganews.com>):
On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
rote:On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
d wrote:On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
Goat wrote:On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
look.com>On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
h to me,*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
ter*, but I'mthough, so maybe I don't know enough here.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
ell's Spainnot sure, I guess.)It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
gade'?" kindayears is "misdirective", though. ("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
gh.*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, thostuff.)"What about *Burmese Days*?"
It was not 100% important for me, no.
Paris andAnd I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
teen.London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
yet.I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
to WiganI haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
though inPier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
teenmy opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
n, and whatEighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
(whichhe was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
Britishhe formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a
ups in Spain,socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
as"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
ot sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
perHe was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
ght now?"And Orwell was..."Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).Oh, yeah, sure.
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?"I don't think so."
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
informed but highly definite suggestions?"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
c they were perhaps better-informed about?"Um?
Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
ar purpose, and an alternate conjectureIs it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
(or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequateYeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
orical events themselves. It seems likeas regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
"Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
"Which militia?"
"His militia was the POUM's"
That's how the grammar works.
Graham Greene is just not the same writer, either. Ford Madox Ford was his "own thing", and like that.(The *New Science* sure doesn't count, that's for sure.)Like there could be a "key to all the mythologies", anyway.Just generally, if you think there is a "classic con" involving British novels... well...Americans also don't "capitalize" words in that fashion -- it makes them "feyly" unbelievable.Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel by Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It'sNot a Ghost Novel, but a Mystery, that had a ghost-like element
just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
in it.
"Oh, I'm feyly believable."
Yeah, about that...
It's not "key" to their mythology.
On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 1:32:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:43:22 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 3:14:06 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:13:51 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:11:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:27:19 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:15:25 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote
(in article<0001HW.290110ED0...@news.giganews.com>):
On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
rote:On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
d wrote:On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
Goat wrote:On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
look.com>On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
h to me,*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
ter*, but I'mthough, so maybe I don't know enough here.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
ell's Spainnot sure, I guess.)It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
gade'?" kindayears is "misdirective", though. ("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
gh.*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, thostuff.)"What about *Burmese Days*?"
It was not 100% important for me, no.
Paris andAnd I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
teen.London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
yet.I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
to WiganI haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
though inPier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
teenmy opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
n, and whatEighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
(whichhe was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
Britishhe formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a
ups in Spain,socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
as"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
ot sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
perHe was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
ght now?"And Orwell was..."Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).Oh, yeah, sure.
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?"I don't think so."
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
informed but highly definite suggestions?"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
c they were perhaps better-informed about?"Um?
Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
ar purpose, and an alternate conjectureIs it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
(or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequateYeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
orical events themselves. It seems likeas regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
"Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
"Which militia?"
"His militia was the POUM's"
That's how the grammar works.
"I don't believe you."Graham Greene is just not the same writer, either. Ford Madox Ford was his "own thing", and like that.(The *New Science* sure doesn't count, that's for sure.)Like there could be a "key to all the mythologies", anyway.Just generally, if you think there is a "classic con" involving British novels... well...Americans also don't "capitalize" words in that fashion -- it makes them "feyly" unbelievable.Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel by Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It'sNot a Ghost Novel, but a Mystery, that had a ghost-like element in it.
just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
"Oh, I'm feyly believable."
Yeah, about that...
It's not "key" to their mythology.
You think Ford Madox Ford and Orwell were the same person, then?
On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 7:34:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 1:32:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:43:22 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 3:14:06 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:13:51 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:11:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:27:19 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:15:25 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote
(in article<0001HW.290110ED0...@news.giganews.com>):
On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
rote:On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
d wrote:On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
Goat wrote:On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
look.com>On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
h to me,*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
ter*, but I'mthough, so maybe I don't know enough here.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
ell's Spainnot sure, I guess.)It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
gade'?" kindayears is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
gh.*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, thostuff.)"What about *Burmese Days*?"
It was not 100% important for me, no.
Paris andAnd I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
teen.London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
yet.I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
to WiganI haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
though inPier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
teenmy opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
n, and whatEighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
(whichhe was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
Britishhe formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a
ups in Spain,socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
as"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
ot sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
perHe was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
ght now?"And Orwell was..."Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).Oh, yeah, sure.
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?"I don't think so."
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
informed but highly definite suggestions?"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
c they were perhaps better-informed about?"Um?
Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
ar purpose, and an alternate conjectureIs it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
(or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequateYeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
orical events themselves. It seems likeas regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
"Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
"Which militia?"
"His militia was the POUM's"
That's how the grammar works.
I like Orwell better, but I guess that's "weak"."I don't believe you."Graham Greene is just not the same writer, either. Ford Madox Ford was his "own thing", and like that.(The *New Science* sure doesn't count, that's for sure.)Like there could be a "key to all the mythologies", anyway.Just generally, if you think there is a "classic con" involving British novels... well...Americans also don't "capitalize" words in that fashion -- it makes them "feyly" unbelievable.Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel by Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It'sNot a Ghost Novel, but a Mystery, that had a ghost-like element
just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
in it.
"Oh, I'm feyly believable."
Yeah, about that...
It's not "key" to their mythology.
You think Ford Madox Ford and Orwell were the same person, then?
On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 2:52:58 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
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On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:27:19 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:15:25 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote
(in article<0001HW.290110ED0...@news.giganews.com>):
On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote (in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
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On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
rote:On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
d wrote:On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
Goat wrote:On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
look.com>On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
(in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
h to me,*Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
ter*, but I'mthough, so maybe I don't know enough here.(I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
ell's Spainnot sure, I guess.)It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
gade'?" kindayears is "misdirective", though.
("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
gh.*Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, thostuff.)"What about *Burmese Days*?" It was not 100% important for me, no.
Paris andAnd I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
teen.London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
yet.I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
to WiganI haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
though inPier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
teenmy opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
n, and whatEighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
(whichhe was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
Britishhe formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a
ups in Spain,socialist
of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
as"opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
"Ahem."
Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
ot sure.I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
perHe was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
ght now?"And Orwell was..."Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).Oh, yeah, sure.
A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?"I don't think so."
Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
informed but highly definite suggestions?"Common idea?"
Maybe he didn't, really.
"That's hardly likely."
What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
c they were perhaps better-informed about?"Um?
Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
ar purpose, and an alternate conjectureIs it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
(or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequateYeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
orical events themselves. It seems likeas regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
"Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
"Which militia?"
"His militia was the POUM's"
That's how the grammar works.
Truer Judgment:I like Orwell better, but I guess that's "weak"."I don't believe you."Graham Greene is just not the same writer, either. Ford Madox Ford was his "own thing", and like that.(The *New Science* sure doesn't count, that's for sure.)Like there could be a "key to all the mythologies", anyway.Just generally, if you think there is a "classic con" involving British novels... well...Americans also don't "capitalize" words in that fashion -- it makes them "feyly" unbelievable.Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel byNot a Ghost Novel, but a Mystery, that had a ghost-like element
Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It's just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
in it.
"Oh, I'm feyly believable."
Yeah, about that...
It's not "key" to their mythology.
You think Ford Madox Ford and Orwell were the same person, then?
"I can't give that a passing grade, man. No pasaran."
"Oh, I guess."
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