• Re: The length of a novel

    From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to Peter Moylan on Wed Jun 1 15:04:33 2022
    XPost: alt.usage.english, alt.books

    On Tue, 31 May 2022 23:37:52 +1000, Peter Moylan wrote:

    The problem there is even worse than in SF. The thick-book authors just ramble on without getting anywhere.

    I managed 1 1/2 of George R.R. Martin's "Ice & Fire" thing, and gave up.
    I started treading the second to find what had happened to an interesting character in the first volume, but decided it wasn't worth wading through endless pages of political sleaze to find out. The real thing is bad
    enough, one doesn't need to read it in fiction.





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    Steve Hayes http://khanya.wordpress.com

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to Garrett Wollman on Wed Jun 1 15:09:35 2022
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    On Tue, 31 May 2022 17:31:16 +0000, Garrett Wollman wrote:

    Short story: less than 7,500 words Novelette: between 7,500 and 17,500
    words Novella: betweent 17,500 and 40,000 words ("the Tor.com award"
    these days)
    Novel: at least 40,000 words

    Yes, that's my understanding.

    But if it's over 300 000 words the publishers can use "blockbuster" in
    the blurb and other promotional material.





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    Steve Hayes http://khanya.wordpress.com

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  • From Peter Moylan@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Mon Jun 6 22:07:23 2022
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    On 02/06/22 01:09, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Tue, 31 May 2022 17:31:16 +0000, Garrett Wollman wrote:

    Short story: less than 7,500 words Novelette: between 7,500 and
    17,500 words Novella: betweent 17,500 and 40,000 words ("the
    Tor.com award" these days) Novel: at least 40,000 words

    Yes, that's my understanding.

    But if it's over 300 000 words the publishers can use "blockbuster"
    in the blurb and other promotional material.

    Those thick books do have one virtue. They are good for building a
    replacement for a broken bed leg.

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    Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Peter Moylan on Tue Jun 14 16:16:37 2022
    On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 5:07:25 AM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 02/06/22 01:09, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Tue, 31 May 2022 17:31:16 +0000, Garrett Wollman wrote:

    Short story: less than 7,500 words Novelette: between 7,500 and
    17,500 words Novella: betweent 17,500 and 40,000 words ("the
    Tor.com award" these days) Novel: at least 40,000 words

    Yes, that's my understanding.

    But if it's over 300 000 words the publishers can use "blockbuster"
    in the blurb and other promotional material.
    Those thick books do have one virtue. They are good for building a replacement for a broken bed leg.

    --
    Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

    This conversation seems "pedantic".

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to peter@pmoylan.org.invalid on Thu Jun 23 08:26:00 2022
    XPost: alt.usage.english, alt.english.usage

    On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 10:49:59 +1000, Peter Moylan
    <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

    On 22/06/22 02:08, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Do you think vebose Clark Ashton Smith's cigarette
    characterisation:

    Ignited in the rich and multi-hued Antarean
    dusk, the tip of the space pilot's cigarette
    began to glow and foulder like the small scar-
    let eye of some cavern-dwelling chimera; -- and
    an opal-grey vapor fumed in gyrant spirals,
    like incense from an altar of pagany, across
    the high auroral flames that soared from the
    setting of the giant sun.

    That sounds like a book I wouldn't want to read.

    I once bought a book of short stories that featured some by Clark
    Ashton Smith, and gave up in disgust. It was really crap writing.

    Thirty yeasrs later someone told me, in the context of a discussion on
    new religious movements (NRMs), that there were some who believed in
    the religions and deities propounded by a fiction writer called
    Lovecraft, and in particular they believed that there really was a
    book called the Necronomicon, kept in a vault in the Miskatonic
    University.

    Out of curiosity I read a couple of Lovecraft's stories, and found, as
    my informant had reported, that some were not bad and some were dreck.
    And gradually it dawned on me that Clark Ashton Smith belonged to the
    same school -- and the same genre. I suppose one could call them the
    "Eldritch" chool, because that's a word they like to use a lot, or
    alot as their fans might write it.




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    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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