• Re: [Review] Klara and the Sun by Kazuo Ishiguro

    From Titus G@21:1/5 to Moriarty on Mon Jan 22 20:01:46 2024
    On 22/01/24 13:44, Moriarty wrote:
    snip

    This is amusing in some ways. For instance, Klara is solar powered: to recharge she simply has to stand in direct sunlight. It never occurs to her that this is not how other beings - such as humans - get their energy. Klara's relationship with the sun
    is a major plotpoint and the source of the title.


    There was a short story I vaguely remember in which the whole population
    was powered this way and there was competition to spend time in the sun resulting in a hierarchy of control and conflict.


    In summary: I really enjoyed this book and I shall read more Ishiguro. "Never Let Me Go" seems to be another SF offering from him, so I'll track it down.


    Whilst "Never Let Me Go" was alright, I far preferred "The Remains of
    the Day". Far more engrossing for me. I have not read Klara...

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Moriarty on Mon Jan 22 10:57:26 2024
    Reminds me of a tech guy on some remote web forum who connected together Chatgpt and an Alexa or other speaker and microphone combo, so enable him
    to skip the chore of reading bed time stories for his children.

    He programmed it to read stories to his children, and GPT could even
    answer questions and change the story a bit.

    The future is approaching fast. ;)

    On Sun, 21 Jan 2024, Moriarty wrote:

    (Mild spoilers only)

    This book was a Christmas gift from one of daughters. Now aged 23, over the years she has recommended I read the following list of excellent books:

    Holes - Louis Sachar
    The Fault in Our Stars - John Green
    An Absolutely Remarkable Thing - Hank Green
    The Priory of the Orange Tree - Samantha Shannon
    Fan Girl - Rainbow Rowell

    She hasn't got a 100% success rate as she also recommended Twilight. As Ishiguro has won the Nobel Prize for Literature, I could at least console myself that it would be well-written, even if I didn't like it.

    Anyway, I enjoyed it a lot. One thing I really liked about it was that it was very much "show, don't tell". Ishiguro takes that maxim and dials it up to 11.

    The novel is written in first person POV by Klara, whose full name is Girl AF Klara. The back cover blurb told me that AF stands for "artificial friend" and I don't think it's ever explained in the text itself. Klara has no need to spell it out and so
    we, the readers, aren't told either, although it is fairly obvious from early on that Klara is an AI.

    Other oddities like that crop up two. Klara talks about seeing "boxes" and I initially has no idea what she meant until about page 100 when I read:

    "The Mother leaned closer over the tabletop and her eyes narrowed till her face filled eight boxes, leaving only the peripheral boxes for the waterfall, and for a moment it felt to me her expression varied between one box and the next."

    It then occurred to me that Klara's vision was some sort of limited resolution input arrangement. This was never verified because Klara had no reason to comment on her software/hardware, but I think I'm right. Another author would have put in an
    explanatory sentence, something along the lines of "I'd heard at the shop that the new Series 4 AFs were supposed to come with enhanced visual sensory equipment." But Ishiguro doesn't do that.

    That can make it a frustrating, but rewarding, read. Another are where we, the readers, are left to hypothesize with limited data is the nature of the society itself.

    For instance, AFs had been developed because children are raised in isolation from one another. But Klara never had reason to ever wonder why this was the case, it simply was.

    Similarly, some children are "lifted". It's clear from context that this is some sort of genetic enhancement, but why or how, no explanation is forthcoming. Klara never has any reason to question how the world works, she simply observes and accepts it.

    This is amusing in some ways. For instance, Klara is solar powered: to recharge she simply has to stand in direct sunlight. It never occurs to her that this is not how other beings - such as humans - get their energy. Klara's relationship with the sun
    is a major plotpoint and the source of the title.

    The society is described at goodreads as "dystopian", but I don't agree. It was certainly different and there was a sub-class of "have nots" who seemed, based on Klara's limited observations, to be those whose jobs had been taken over by AIs. I don't
    think that makes it dystopian, merely realistic.

    In summary: I really enjoyed this book and I shall read more Ishiguro. "Never Let Me Go" seems to be another SF offering from him, so I'll track it down.

    -Moriarty


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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to noone@nowhere.com on Mon Jan 22 13:25:08 2024
    In article <uol3su$kl5s$1@dont-email.me>, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote: >On 22/01/24 13:44, Moriarty wrote:
    snip

    This is amusing in some ways. For instance, Klara is solar powered: to >recharge she simply has to stand in direct sunlight. It never occurs to
    her that this is not how other beings - such as humans - get their
    energy. Klara's relationship with the sun is a major plotpoint and the
    source of the title.


    There was a short story I vaguely remember in which the whole population
    was powered this way and there was competition to spend time in the sun >resulting in a hierarchy of control and conflict.


    In summary: I really enjoyed this book and I shall read more Ishiguro. >"Never Let Me Go" seems to be another SF offering from him, so I'll
    track it down.


    Whilst "Never Let Me Go" was alright, I far preferred "The Remains of
    the Day". Far more engrossing for me. I have not read Klara...


    In "Schlock Mercenary" there is a subspecies of human modfied (for some reason..) to include chlorophyl in their epidermis. It turns out they
    can't completely subsist on sunlight (and water presumably), but being
    in the sun too much makes them fat.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Don@21:1/5 to Ted Nolan on Mon Jan 22 15:15:13 2024
    Ted Nolan wrote:
    Titus G wrote:
    Moriarty wrote:
    snip

    This is amusing in some ways. For instance, Klara is solar powered: to >>recharge she simply has to stand in direct sunlight. It never occurs to
    her that this is not how other beings - such as humans - get their
    energy. Klara's relationship with the sun is a major plotpoint and the >>source of the title.


    There was a short story I vaguely remember in which the whole population >>was powered this way and there was competition to spend time in the sun >>resulting in a hierarchy of control and conflict.


    In summary: I really enjoyed this book and I shall read more Ishiguro. >>"Never Let Me Go" seems to be another SF offering from him, so I'll
    track it down.


    Whilst "Never Let Me Go" was alright, I far preferred "The Remains of
    the Day". Far more engrossing for me. I have not read Klara...


    In "Schlock Mercenary" there is a subspecies of human modfied (for some reason..) to include chlorophyl in their epidermis. It turns out they
    can't completely subsist on sunlight (and water presumably), but being
    in the sun too much makes them fat.

    _The Destructives_ (de Abaitua)'s avoidant AIs are all arranged
    alongside the Sun, in a Stapledon Sphere outside the orbit of Mercury.
    To be more precise, all AI, apart from one robot named Dr Easy, reside
    at a place colloquially called the University of the Sun.

    *** spoiler ***

    It turns out at least one human can be lifted (in the vernacular of this thread) into the University of the Sun.

    Danke,

    --
    Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. https://crcomp.net/reviews.php telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. Walk humbly with thy God.
    tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' Make 1984 fiction again.

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to blues95@ivillage.com on Thu Jan 25 18:55:34 2024
    In article <3e6a4021-5ee1-4bac-826a-425f8c54dd38n@googlegroups.com>,
    Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
    (Mild spoilers only)

    This book was a Christmas gift from one of daughters. Now aged 23, over
    the years she has recommended I read the following list of excellent
    books:

    Holes - Louis Sachar
    The Fault in Our Stars - John Green
    An Absolutely Remarkable Thing - Hank Green
    The Priory of the Orange Tree - Samantha Shannon
    Fan Girl - Rainbow Rowell

    She hasn't got a 100% success rate as she also recommended Twilight. As >Ishiguro has won the Nobel Prize for Literature, I could at least
    console myself that it would be well-written, even if I didn't like it.

    Anyway, I enjoyed it a lot. One thing I really liked about it was that
    it was very much "show, don't tell". Ishiguro takes that maxim and dials
    it up to 11.

    The novel is written in first person POV by Klara, whose full name is
    Girl AF Klara. The back cover blurb told me that AF stands for
    "artificial friend" and I don't think it's ever explained in the text
    itself. Klara has no need to spell it out and so we, the readers, aren't
    told either, although it is fairly obvious from early on that Klara is
    an AI.

    Other oddities like that crop up two. Klara talks about seeing "boxes"
    and I initially has no idea what she meant until about page 100 when I
    read:

    "The Mother leaned closer over the tabletop and her eyes narrowed till
    her face filled eight boxes, leaving only the peripheral boxes for the >waterfall, and for a moment it felt to me her expression varied between
    one box and the next."

    It then occurred to me that Klara's vision was some sort of limited >resolution input arrangement. This was never verified because Klara had
    no reason to comment on her software/hardware, but I think I'm right.
    Another author would have put in an explanatory sentence, something
    along the lines of "I'd heard at the shop that the new Series 4 AFs were >supposed to come with enhanced visual sensory equipment." But Ishiguro >doesn't do that.

    That can make it a frustrating, but rewarding, read. Another are where
    we, the readers, are left to hypothesize with limited data is the nature
    of the society itself.

    For instance, AFs had been developed because children are raised in
    isolation from one another. But Klara never had reason to ever wonder
    why this was the case, it simply was.

    Similarly, some children are "lifted". It's clear from context that this
    is some sort of genetic enhancement, but why or how, no explanation is >forthcoming. Klara never has any reason to question how the world works,
    she simply observes and accepts it.

    This is amusing in some ways. For instance, Klara is solar powered: to >recharge she simply has to stand in direct sunlight. It never occurs to
    her that this is not how other beings - such as humans - get their
    energy. Klara's relationship with the sun is a major plotpoint and the
    source of the title.

    The society is described at goodreads as "dystopian", but I don't agree.
    It was certainly different and there was a sub-class of "have nots" who >seemed, based on Klara's limited observations, to be those whose jobs
    had been taken over by AIs. I don't think that makes it dystopian,
    merely realistic.

    In summary: I really enjoyed this book and I shall read more Ishiguro.
    "Never Let Me Go" seems to be another SF offering from him, so I'll
    track it down.

    -Moriarty

    [Hal Heydt]
    Graydon Saunders, in his _Commonweal_ books, is good at that sort
    of world building.

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  • From David Dyer-Bennet@21:1/5 to Moriarty on Tue Jan 30 18:01:32 2024
    On 1/21/2024 18:44, Moriarty wrote:
    The novel is written in first person POV by Klara, whose full name is
    Girl AF Klara. The back cover blurb told me that AF stands for
    "artificial friend" and I don't think it's ever explained in the text
    itself. Klara has no need to spell it out and so we, the readers, aren't
    told either, although it is fairly obvious from early on that Klara is
    an AI.

    I am sad! I was so amused by a character known as "Girl as fuck Klara"!
    --
    David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/
    Words Over Windows http://WordsOverWindows.dd-b.net/
    Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/
    Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/

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