• Re: [OT] Horrific Crime Against Maine Secretary of State

    From pyotr filipivich@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 1 08:47:35 2024
    Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> on Mon, 1 Jan 2024 04:33:02 -0800 (PST)
    typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
    This crime put her at a very real risk of death, but so far
    crimes of this nature have not been punished as attempted
    murder.

    Of course, it also wasted the time of the police, thereby
    diminishing the protection Maine residents have against
    crime.

    https://www.cp24.com/world/maine-state-official-who-removed-trump-from-ballot-was-targeted-in-swatting-call-at-her-home-1.6706022

    Hopefully, the perpetrator of this heinous act will be found,
    and given a punishment that will stand as a warning to
    others.

    LOL.

    This is only a "crime" when done by Republicans following Democrat rules. They don't care is an enemy of The Party gets swatted, but how
    dare someone treat a Party Member like that?
    --
    pyotr filipivich
    This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
    Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
    Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 1 09:32:02 2024
    On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:14:41 -0500, Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 1/1/24 10:08 AM, Jack Bohn wrote:
    On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 7:33:04?AM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
    This crime put her at a very real risk of death, but so far
    crimes of this nature have not been punished as attempted
    murder.


    A charge of attempted murder raises the question of the deadly weapon used. >> You can see the image problem of attaching that label to the police force. >>

    Hopefully, the perpetrator of this heinous act will be found,
    and given a punishment that will stand as a warning to
    others.

    Hopefully the case will be handled with respect to the laws of the United States and the several states involved, not the personal feelings of a public employee.

    Has it almost been a year since a bomb threat was called into Ottawa... the wrong Ottawa?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/swatting-wrong-ottawa-1.6343819

    (In the Ohio tradition of pronouncing the names that our cities share with foreign ones differently, Ottawa sounds slightly more like Ottowa, perhaps influenced by the nearby Ottoville.)


    Indeed! Just a few others from Ohio:
    Russia = Roo-shee
    Rio Grande = R-eye-o Grand
    Versailles = Ver-sales

    When I was in the Army in the 70s, "San Josey" for "San Jose" ("San
    Hosay") was all too common.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to jack.bohn64@gmail.com on Mon Jan 1 09:37:24 2024
    On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 07:08:30 -0800 (PST), Jack Bohn
    <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 7:33:04?AM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
    This crime put her at a very real risk of death, but so far
    crimes of this nature have not been punished as attempted
    murder.


    A charge of attempted murder raises the question of the deadly weapon used. >You can see the image problem of attaching that label to the police force.

    I don't see the problem as long as it is kept clear that the it is the
    people making the call who are responsible for the result and the
    police are merely the tool.

    Provided, of course, the police behave reasonably. As they did in this
    case.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to pyotr filipivich on Mon Jan 1 11:46:11 2024
    On 2024-01-01 08:47, pyotr filipivich wrote:
    Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> on Mon, 1 Jan 2024 04:33:02 -0800 (PST)
    typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
    This crime put her at a very real risk of death, but so far
    crimes of this nature have not been punished as attempted
    murder.

    Of course, it also wasted the time of the police, thereby
    diminishing the protection Maine residents have against
    crime.

    https://www.cp24.com/world/maine-state-official-who-removed-trump-from-ballot-was-targeted-in-swatting-call-at-her-home-1.6706022

    Hopefully, the perpetrator of this heinous act will be found,
    and given a punishment that will stand as a warning to
    others.

    LOL.

    This is only a "crime" when done by Republicans following Democrat rules. They don't care is an enemy of The Party gets swatted, but how
    dare someone treat a Party Member like that?

    Really?

    Give an example of what you mean.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to pete...@gmail.com on Mon Jan 1 20:36:46 2024
    On 2024-01-01 20:28, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 2:46:16 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-01-01 08:47, pyotr filipivich wrote:
    Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> on Mon, 1 Jan 2024 04:33:02 -0800 (PST)
    typed in rec.arts.sf.written the following:
    This crime put her at a very real risk of death, but so far
    crimes of this nature have not been punished as attempted
    murder.

    Of course, it also wasted the time of the police, thereby
    diminishing the protection Maine residents have against
    crime.

    https://www.cp24.com/world/maine-state-official-who-removed-trump-from-ballot-was-targeted-in-swatting-call-at-her-home-1.6706022

    Hopefully, the perpetrator of this heinous act will be found,
    and given a punishment that will stand as a warning to
    others.

    LOL.

    This is only a "crime" when done by Republicans following Democrat
    rules. They don't care is an enemy of The Party gets swatted, but how
    dare someone treat a Party Member like that?
    Really?

    Give an example of what you mean.

    The loathsome Trumper Marjorie Taylor Green was also subjected to
    swatting this Christmas.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/police-confirm-christmas-swatting-incident-marjorie-taylor-greenes-hou-rcna131131

    No, I know that.

    The part I want to examine is:


    "This is only a "crime" when done by Republicans following Democrat rules."

    And

    "They don't care is an enemy of The Party gets swatted"

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Tue Jan 2 08:17:15 2024
    On 2024-01-02 05:45, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:28:10 PM UTC-7, pete...@gmail.com wrote:

    The loathsome Trumper Marjorie Taylor Green was also subjected to
    swatting this Christmas.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/police-confirm-christmas-swatting-incident-marjorie-taylor-greenes-hou-rcna131131

    However much we may dislike her, that is indeed still a serious crime.

    John Savard

    Of course it is.

    Where has anyone minimized it?

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 2 08:45:58 2024
    On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 05:45:49 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
    wrote:

    On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:28:10?PM UTC-7, pete...@gmail.com wrote:

    The loathsome Trumper Marjorie Taylor Green was also subjected to
    swatting this Christmas.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/police-confirm-christmas-swatting-incident-marjorie-taylor-greenes-hou-rcna131131

    However much we may dislike her, that is indeed still a serious crime.

    And the person responsible should be found and charged as appropriate.

    That would be the /best/ refutation of pyotr filipivich's Putin/Trump propaganda.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to pete...@gmail.com on Tue Jan 2 21:57:57 2024
    pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
    The loathsome Trumper Marjorie Taylor Green was also subjected to
    swatting this Christmas.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/police-confirm-christmas-swatting= >-incident-marjorie-taylor-greenes-hou-rcna131131

    I had no idea that this had become a political thing; I thought it was mostly
    a gamer community thing. It happened to a co-worker of mine whose daughter
    had pissed off someone on discord, and it sounded pretty awful.

    Nobody deserves this sort of thing, not even people like Ms. Green who
    advocate stricter police enforcement. Hell, not even criminals deserve to
    be treated the way the police treat people in some places.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to pete...@gmail.com on Tue Jan 2 22:10:31 2024
    On 2024-01-02 19:17, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 11:17:20 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-01-02 05:45, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:28:10 PM UTC-7, pete...@gmail.com wrote: >>>
    The loathsome Trumper Marjorie Taylor Green was also subjected to
    swatting this Christmas.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/police-confirm-christmas-swatting-incident-marjorie-taylor-greenes-hou-rcna131131

    However much we may dislike her, that is indeed still a serious crime.

    John Savard
    Of course it is.

    Where has anyone minimized it?

    Upthread, 'pyotr filipivich'' wrote:
    This is only a "crime" when done by Republicans following Democrat
    rules. They don't care is an enemy of The Party gets swatted, but how
    dare someone treat a Party Member like that?

    Pt


    Yes...

    ...he wrote that.

    But I have yet to see that anyone minimized the seriousness of MTG's event.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Jan 3 08:47:01 2024
    On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 22:10:31 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2024-01-02 19:17, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 11:17:20?AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-01-02 05:45, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:28:10?PM UTC-7, pete...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>
    The loathsome Trumper Marjorie Taylor Green was also subjected to
    swatting this Christmas.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/police-confirm-christmas-swatting-incident-marjorie-taylor-greenes-hou-rcna131131

    However much we may dislike her, that is indeed still a serious crime. >>>>
    John Savard
    Of course it is.

    Where has anyone minimized it?

    Upthread, 'pyotr filipivich'' wrote:
    This is only a "crime" when done by Republicans following Democrat
    rules. They don't care is an enemy of The Party gets swatted, but how
    dare someone treat a Party Member like that?

    Pt


    Yes...

    ...he wrote that.

    But I have yet to see that anyone minimized the seriousness of MTG's event.

    It's a Putin/Trump Talking Point.

    It has no relation to reality.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Wed Jan 3 11:56:00 2024
    On Jan 3, 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <un2vhn$347nb$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 1/3/2024 12:10 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-01-02 19:17, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 11:17:20 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-01-02 05:45, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:28:10 PM UTC-7, pete...@gmail.com wrote:

    The loathsome Trumper Marjorie Taylor Green was also subjected to swatting this Christmas.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/police-confirm-christmas-swatt
    ing-incident-marjorie-taylor-greenes-hou-rcna131131

    However much we may dislike her, that is indeed still a serious crime.

    John Savard
    Of course it is.

    Where has anyone minimized it?

    Upthread, 'pyotr filipivich'' wrote:
    This is only a "crime" when done by Republicans following Democrat rules. They don't care is an enemy of The Party gets swatted, but how dare someone treat a Party Member like that?

    Pt

    Yes...

    ...he wrote that.

    But I have yet to see that anyone minimized the seriousness of MTG's event.

    But I have yet to see that anyone minimized the seriousness of MTG's
    EIGHTH SWAT event.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-swatted-on-christmas-ge
    orgia-rome-police-2023-12

    Fixed it for ya.

    Lynn

    pray show where that article ‘minimized’ the seriousness of the
    incident... other than MTG’s idiotic comment quoted at the end of the article.

    And if she’s really been SWATed eight times, you’d think that maybe the local cops would have noticed.

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to akwolffan@zoho.com on Wed Jan 3 17:07:41 2024
    In article <0001HW.2B45C9200004EB6E70000E4BC38F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Jan 3, 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <un2vhn$347nb$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 1/3/2024 12:10 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-01-02 19:17, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 11:17:20 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-01-02 05:45, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:28:10 PM UTC-7, pete...@gmail.com >> > > > > wrote:

    The loathsome Trumper Marjorie Taylor Green was also subjected to >> > > > > > swatting this Christmas.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/police-confirm-christmas-swatt
    ing-incident-marjorie-taylor-greenes-hou-rcna131131

    However much we may dislike her, that is indeed still a
    serious crime.

    John Savard
    Of course it is.

    Where has anyone minimized it?

    Upthread, 'pyotr filipivich'' wrote:
    This is only a "crime" when done by Republicans following Democrat
    rules. They don't care is an enemy of The Party gets swatted, but how >> > > > dare someone treat a Party Member like that?

    Pt

    Yes...

    ...he wrote that.

    But I have yet to see that anyone minimized the seriousness of MTG's event.

    But I have yet to see that anyone minimized the seriousness of MTG's
    EIGHTH SWAT event.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-swatted-on-christmas-ge >> orgia-rome-police-2023-12

    Fixed it for ya.

    Lynn

    pray show where that article ‘minimized’ the seriousness of the >incident... other than MTG’s idiotic comment quoted at the end of the >article.

    And if she’s really been SWATed eight times, you’d think that maybe the >local cops would have noticed.


    Patrick Tomlinson has been swatted at least 46 times.
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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Wed Jan 3 15:26:01 2024
    On Jan 3, 2024, James Nicoll wrote
    (in article <un448t$i4c$1@reader1.panix.com>):

    In article<0001HW.2B45C9200004EB6E70000E4BC38F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Jan 3, 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <un2vhn$347nb$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 1/3/2024 12:10 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-01-02 19:17, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 11:17:20 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-01-02 05:45, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:28:10 PM UTC-7, pete...@gmail.com
    wrote:

    The loathsome Trumper Marjorie Taylor Green was also subjected to
    swatting this Christmas.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/police-confirm-christmas-swatt
    ing-incident-marjorie-taylor-greenes-hou-rcna131131

    However much we may dislike her, that is indeed still a
    serious crime.

    John Savard
    Of course it is.

    Where has anyone minimized it?

    Upthread, 'pyotr filipivich'' wrote:
    This is only a "crime" when done by Republicans following Democrat rules. They don't care is an enemy of The Party gets swatted, but how
    dare someone treat a Party Member like that?

    Pt

    Yes...

    ...he wrote that.

    But I have yet to see that anyone minimized the seriousness of MTG's event.

    But I have yet to see that anyone minimized the seriousness of MTG's EIGHTH SWAT event.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-swatted-on-christmas-
    ge
    orgia-rome-police-2023-12

    Fixed it for ya.

    Lynn

    pray show where that article ‘minimized’ the seriousness of the incident... other than MTG’s idiotic comment quoted at the end of the article.

    And if she’s really been SWATed eight times, you’d think that maybe the local cops would have noticed.

    Patrick Tomlinson has been swatted at least 46 times.

    that’s... excessive. No-one noticed that they were rolling on the same address so often that he could have been on a first-name basis with the
    entire squad?

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to akwolffan@zoho.com on Wed Jan 3 20:54:23 2024
    In article <0001HW.2B45FA59001074A970000E8CE38F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Jan 3, 2024, James Nicoll wrote
    (in article <un448t$i4c$1@reader1.panix.com>):

    In article<0001HW.2B45C9200004EB6E70000E4BC38F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Jan 3, 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <un2vhn$347nb$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 1/3/2024 12:10 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-01-02 19:17, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 11:17:20 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-01-02 05:45, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:28:10 PM UTC-7, >pete...@gmail.com
    wrote:

    The loathsome Trumper Marjorie Taylor Green was also >subjected to
    swatting this Christmas.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/police-confirm-christmas-swatt >> > > > > > > > ing-incident-marjorie-taylor-greenes-hou-rcna131131

    However much we may dislike her, that is indeed still a
    serious crime.

    John Savard
    Of course it is.

    Where has anyone minimized it?

    Upthread, 'pyotr filipivich'' wrote:
    This is only a "crime" when done by Republicans following Democrat >> > > > > > rules. They don't care is an enemy of The Party gets
    swatted, but how
    dare someone treat a Party Member like that?

    Pt

    Yes...

    ...he wrote that.

    But I have yet to see that anyone minimized the seriousness of MTG's >> > > > event.

    But I have yet to see that anyone minimized the seriousness of MTG's
    EIGHTH SWAT event.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-swatted-on-christmas- >> > ge
    orgia-rome-police-2023-12

    Fixed it for ya.

    Lynn

    pray show where that article ‘minimized’ the seriousness of the
    incident... other than MTG’s idiotic comment quoted at the end of the
    article.

    And if she’s really been SWATed eight times, you’d think that maybe the
    local cops would have noticed.

    Patrick Tomlinson has been swatted at least 46 times.

    that’s... excessive. No-one noticed that they were rolling on the same >address so often that he could have been on a first-name basis with the >entire squad?


    My impression is that sometimes the cops remember the address and some
    times they do not.
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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 4 09:02:59 2024
    On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:28:36 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
    wrote:

    On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 12:46:16?PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-01-01 08:47, pyotr filipivich wrote:

    This is only a "crime" when done by Republicans following Democrat
    rules. They don't care is an enemy of The Party gets swatted, but how
    dare someone treat a Party Member like that?

    Really?

    Give an example of what you mean.

    But let's be fair. While I, and I think Americans who vote Democratic
    in general, would not fail to recognize SWATting as a serious crime
    even when the victim is someone such as Marjorie Taylor Greene
    (described as loathsome in another post here)... because the intensity
    of conflict between the pro- and anti- Trump political groups has
    reached such a height...

    even _though_ they might recognize SWATting MTG as a seriious
    crime, they might still leave it to her political supporters to make the >effort of arousing public indignation about that crime.

    Then they should be branded as "behaving like Republicans" which, for Democrats, should very much be a mark of shame.

    Given that, it's easy to become confused on this point.

    Only if you pay attention to Trump/Putin propaganda.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to Nicoll on Thu Jan 4 09:00:45 2024
    On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 20:54:23 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    In article <0001HW.2B45FA59001074A970000E8CE38F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Jan 3, 2024, James Nicoll wrote
    (in article <un448t$i4c$1@reader1.panix.com>):

    In article<0001HW.2B45C9200004EB6E70000E4BC38F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Jan 3, 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <un2vhn$347nb$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 1/3/2024 12:10 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-01-02 19:17, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 11:17:20 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-01-02 05:45, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:28:10 PM UTC-7, >>pete...@gmail.com
    wrote:

    The loathsome Trumper Marjorie Taylor Green was also >>subjected to
    swatting this Christmas.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/police-confirm-christmas-swatt >>> > > > > > > > ing-incident-marjorie-taylor-greenes-hou-rcna131131

    However much we may dislike her, that is indeed still a
    serious crime.

    John Savard
    Of course it is.

    Where has anyone minimized it?

    Upthread, 'pyotr filipivich'' wrote:
    This is only a "crime" when done by Republicans following Democrat
    rules. They don't care is an enemy of The Party gets
    swatted, but how
    dare someone treat a Party Member like that?

    Pt

    Yes...

    ...he wrote that.

    But I have yet to see that anyone minimized the seriousness of MTG's >>> > > > event.

    But I have yet to see that anyone minimized the seriousness of MTG's >>> > > EIGHTH SWAT event.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-swatted-on-christmas- >>> > ge
    orgia-rome-police-2023-12

    Fixed it for ya.

    Lynn

    pray show where that article ‘minimized’ the seriousness of the
    incident... other than MTG’s idiotic comment quoted at the end of the >>> > article.

    And if she’s really been SWATed eight times, you’d think that maybe the
    local cops would have noticed.

    Patrick Tomlinson has been swatted at least 46 times.

    that’s... excessive. No-one noticed that they were rolling on the same >>address so often that he could have been on a first-name basis with the >>entire squad?


    My impression is that sometimes the cops remember the address and some
    times they do not.

    I suspect their computerized record system remembers it very well.

    And could be programmed to print out prior bogus events, to remind
    them.

    Of course, any time /could/ be real and not weaponization of the
    police.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Mike Van Pelt@21:1/5 to jsavard@ecn.ab.ca on Sat Jan 6 04:15:49 2024
    In article <e6033b18-d7f9-4e82-aca7-1e26a30056c8n@googlegroups.com>,
    Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    Hopefully, the perpetrator of this heinous act will be found,
    and given a punishment that will stand as a warning to
    others.

    The phone system needs to make spoofing of the origin of calls
    flatly impossible. This needs to have been done way back when
    SWATting first raised its evil head. I'm generally leery of
    government mandates, but I'd definitely support a government
    mandate requiring the phone companies to do this post-haste.

    --
    Mike Van Pelt | "I don't advise it unless you're nuts."
    mvp at calweb.com | -- Ray Wilkinson, after riding out Hurricane
    KE6BVH | Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Sat Jan 6 09:11:36 2024
    On Fri, 5 Jan 2024 22:27:51 -0600, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 1/5/2024 10:15 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
    In article <e6033b18-d7f9-4e82-aca7-1e26a30056c8n@googlegroups.com>,
    Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    Hopefully, the perpetrator of this heinous act will be found,
    and given a punishment that will stand as a warning to
    others.

    The phone system needs to make spoofing of the origin of calls
    flatly impossible. This needs to have been done way back when
    SWATting first raised its evil head. I'm generally leery of
    government mandates, but I'd definitely support a government
    mandate requiring the phone companies to do this post-haste.

    They are trying but the hackers keep on finding way around the caller id >system.
    https://www.fcc.gov/call-authentication

    The other problem is people hack into private phone switches and then
    sell time on them. It has happened to my primary business with our 8x32
    (8 outside lines, 32 inside lines) private phone switch. We have had to
    put passwords on everything and block all forwarding to outside lines.
    We even had to put a password on calling international long distance.

    The hackers were calling Ghana and a few other places using call
    forwarding from our phone switch. It was a real pain to keep them out.

    I'm glad to hear that efforts are being made. I suspect that, in the
    long run, security chips, national registries, and so on will be
    needed.

    And of course it isn't just phones used for swatting. It's email used
    for threats of public officials (when they rise to the level of being
    illegal) and chat rooms used to plan crimes (when the crime actually
    occurs or at least is attempted).

    And access to the information will need to be strictly controlled. Traditionally, this is done by requiring a Judge to sign off on the
    access by the gummint. This is easier to implement if it is built into
    the system from the beginning, rather than being tacked on after the
    fact when the scandals break and the gummint is running for cover.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Sat Jan 6 21:01:33 2024
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 1/5/2024 10:15 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
    In article <e6033b18-d7f9-4e82-aca7-1e26a30056c8n@googlegroups.com>,
    Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    Hopefully, the perpetrator of this heinous act will be found,
    and given a punishment that will stand as a warning to
    others.

    The phone system needs to make spoofing of the origin of calls
    flatly impossible. This needs to have been done way back when
    SWATting first raised its evil head. I'm generally leery of
    government mandates, but I'd definitely support a government
    mandate requiring the phone companies to do this post-haste.

    They are trying but the hackers keep on finding way around the caller id >system.
    https://www.fcc.gov/call-authentication

    Not exactly. Caller-ID was never really intended for end to end validation. The caller ID that is displayed is whatever the originating exchange says it is. If that originating exchange is in some kid's basement, it will display that.

    Now, there's still an ANI record that is valid and it's still possible to
    find the originating source, but it won't be displayed on the caller-ID
    and it may take a few weeks to get the phone company to hand it all over.

    The other problem is people hack into private phone switches and then
    sell time on them. It has happened to my primary business with our 8x32
    (8 outside lines, 32 inside lines) private phone switch. We have had to
    put passwords on everything and block all forwarding to outside lines.
    We even had to put a password on calling international long distance.

    The hackers were calling Ghana and a few other places using call
    forwarding from our phone switch. It was a real pain to keep them out.

    Does this still happen? This was a big deal back in the eighties when
    long distance was still expensive. You could go into any bus station and
    there were guys there with magic codes offering to let you call home for
    a few dollars. But these days with VoIP I haven't heard of this happening
    in many years because long distance service is too cheap for anyone to steal. --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to usenet@mikevanpelt.com on Sat Jan 6 20:57:34 2024
    Mike Van Pelt <usenet@mikevanpelt.com> wrote:
    In article <e6033b18-d7f9-4e82-aca7-1e26a30056c8n@googlegroups.com>, >Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    Hopefully, the perpetrator of this heinous act will be found,
    and given a punishment that will stand as a warning to
    others.

    The phone system needs to make spoofing of the origin of calls
    flatly impossible. This needs to have been done way back when
    SWATting first raised its evil head. I'm generally leery of
    government mandates, but I'd definitely support a government
    mandate requiring the phone companies to do this post-haste.

    This was possible back in the days when the US phone company controlled all
    the network, but a lot of what you are seeing is a consequence of VoIP making for cheap or free overseas calling.

    A government mandate in the US does very little when people are able to route calls through Nigeria or Belarus and then back to the US for little to no
    added cost.
    --scott


    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Jan 7 08:48:34 2024
    On 6 Jan 2024 20:57:34 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    Mike Van Pelt <usenet@mikevanpelt.com> wrote:
    In article <e6033b18-d7f9-4e82-aca7-1e26a30056c8n@googlegroups.com>, >>Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    Hopefully, the perpetrator of this heinous act will be found,
    and given a punishment that will stand as a warning to
    others.

    The phone system needs to make spoofing of the origin of calls
    flatly impossible. This needs to have been done way back when
    SWATting first raised its evil head. I'm generally leery of
    government mandates, but I'd definitely support a government
    mandate requiring the phone companies to do this post-haste.

    This was possible back in the days when the US phone company controlled all >the network, but a lot of what you are seeing is a consequence of VoIP making >for cheap or free overseas calling.

    A government mandate in the US does very little when people are able to route >calls through Nigeria or Belarus and then back to the US for little to no >added cost.


    Which, in the long run, will only require additional restrictions.

    Which, as usual with restrictive regulations, are needed only because
    some people insist on behaving as badly as possible.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to jsavard@ecn.ab.ca on Tue Jan 9 00:09:01 2024
    Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    The techniques used now are much more complicated than a "blue box",
    and indeed what with cell phone plans, there's no reason to steal individua= >l
    calls. However, robocallers and the like will still steal larger quantities=
    of
    telephone service...

    Isn't that like stealing air or Gideon Bibles?
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to pete...@gmail.com on Tue Jan 9 15:02:30 2024
    On 7/01/24 13:15, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    snip

    Indeed. I use WhatsApp to call my sister in Estonia for free, even with video calls.


    My phone company charges 50 cents for every still picture sent but it is
    free and encrypted with WhatsApp. How do they make money?

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  • From rkshullat@rosettacondot.com@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Tue Jan 9 17:40:51 2024
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    The techniques used now are much more complicated than a "blue box",
    and indeed what with cell phone plans, there's no reason to steal individua= >>l
    calls. However, robocallers and the like will still steal larger quantities= >> of
    telephone service...

    Isn't that like stealing air or Gideon Bibles?

    Service is cheap but not free, and free is better than cheap. I know there are free services out there, but I strongly suspect they'd all balk at millions of calls per day.

    Robert
    --
    Robert K. Shull Email: rkshull at rosettacon dot com

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  • From Dave@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Sun Jan 21 12:11:21 2024
    On 1/3/24 12:54, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <0001HW.2B45FA59001074A970000E8CE38F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Jan 3, 2024, James Nicoll wrote
    (in article <un448t$i4c$1@reader1.panix.com>):

    In article<0001HW.2B45C9200004EB6E70000E4BC38F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Jan 3, 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <un2vhn$347nb$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 1/3/2024 12:10 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-01-02 19:17, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 11:17:20 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2024-01-02 05:45, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:28:10 PM UTC-7,
    pete...@gmail.com
    wrote:

    The loathsome Trumper Marjorie Taylor Green was also
    subjected to
    swatting this Christmas.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/police-confirm-christmas-swatt >>>>>>>>>> ing-incident-marjorie-taylor-greenes-hou-rcna131131

    However much we may dislike her, that is indeed still a
    serious crime.

    John Savard
    Of course it is.

    Where has anyone minimized it?

    Upthread, 'pyotr filipivich'' wrote:
    This is only a "crime" when done by Republicans following Democrat >>>>>>>> rules. They don't care is an enemy of The Party gets
    swatted, but how
    dare someone treat a Party Member like that?

    Pt

    Yes...

    ...he wrote that.

    But I have yet to see that anyone minimized the seriousness of MTG's >>>>>> event.

    But I have yet to see that anyone minimized the seriousness of MTG's >>>>> EIGHTH SWAT event.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-swatted-on-christmas- >>>> ge
    orgia-rome-police-2023-12

    Fixed it for ya.

    Lynn

    pray show where that article ‘minimized’ the seriousness of the
    incident... other than MTG’s idiotic comment quoted at the end of the >>>> article.

    And if she’s really been SWATed eight times, you’d think that maybe the
    local cops would have noticed.

    Patrick Tomlinson has been swatted at least 46 times.

    that’s... excessive. No-one noticed that they were rolling on the same
    address so often that he could have been on a first-name basis with the
    entire squad?


    My impression is that sometimes the cops remember the address and some
    times they do not.

    I'm very late to the party here. I can say that when I was with BCFD and
    ran a call more than once to the same location I remembered it. If we
    ran more than 3 or 4 times, they became a "frequent flyer".

    I think Mr. Nicoll is implying that the cops may have selective memories depending on where they are responding. That said, the cops can't afford
    to let their guard down because the one time that they do will be the
    one time someone opens up on them with heavy weapons.

    --
    ----------------
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    Senior Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin, et. al (mostly Retired)
    Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to bcfd36@cruzio.com on Sun Jan 21 20:37:49 2024
    In article <uojtp9$4ein$2@dont-email.me>, Dave <bcfd36@cruzio.com> wrote:
    On 1/3/24 12:54, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <0001HW.2B45FA59001074A970000E8CE38F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Jan 3, 2024, James Nicoll wrote
    (in article <un448t$i4c$1@reader1.panix.com>):

    In article<0001HW.2B45C9200004EB6E70000E4BC38F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Jan 3, 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <un2vhn$347nb$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 1/3/2024 12:10 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-01-02 19:17, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 11:17:20 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2024-01-02 05:45, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:28:10 PM UTC-7,
    pete...@gmail.com
    wrote:

    The loathsome Trumper Marjorie Taylor Green was also
    subjected to
    swatting this Christmas.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/police-confirm-christmas-swatt >>>>>>>>>>> ing-incident-marjorie-taylor-greenes-hou-rcna131131

    However much we may dislike her, that is indeed still a
    serious crime.

    John Savard
    Of course it is.

    Where has anyone minimized it?

    Upthread, 'pyotr filipivich'' wrote:
    This is only a "crime" when done by Republicans following Democrat >>>>>>>>> rules. They don't care is an enemy of The Party gets
    swatted, but how
    dare someone treat a Party Member like that?

    Pt

    Yes...

    ...he wrote that.

    But I have yet to see that anyone minimized the seriousness of MTG's >>>>>>> event.

    But I have yet to see that anyone minimized the seriousness of MTG's >>>>>> EIGHTH SWAT event.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-swatted-on-christmas-
    ge
    orgia-rome-police-2023-12

    Fixed it for ya.

    Lynn

    pray show where that article ‘minimized’ the seriousness of the
    incident... other than MTG’s idiotic comment quoted at the end of the >>>>> article.

    And if she’s really been SWATed eight times, you’d think that
    maybe the
    local cops would have noticed.

    Patrick Tomlinson has been swatted at least 46 times.

    that’s... excessive. No-one noticed that they were rolling on the same >>> address so often that he could have been on a first-name basis with the
    entire squad?


    My impression is that sometimes the cops remember the address and some
    times they do not.

    I'm very late to the party here. I can say that when I was with BCFD and
    ran a call more than once to the same location I remembered it. If we
    ran more than 3 or 4 times, they became a "frequent flyer".

    I think Mr. Nicoll is implying that the cops may have selective memories >depending on where they are responding. That said, the cops can't afford
    to let their guard down because the one time that they do will be the
    one time someone opens up on them with heavy weapons.

    Selective memory isn't the only answer. Could be different cops. Could
    be different cops, some of whom are in on the harassment. Could be incompetence.

    --
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