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  • [OT] The U.S. has Kudzu. Russia has...

    From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 1 05:50:19 2023
    Apparently there's a monster devouring Russia...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NxuEoXHn8

    Sosnowsky's Hogweed. But it's from the Caucasus, not Poland.

    John Savard

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  • From petertrei@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Tue Aug 1 07:53:08 2023
    On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:50:22 AM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    Apparently there's a monster devouring Russia...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NxuEoXHn8

    Sosnowsky's Hogweed. But it's from the Caucasus, not Poland.

    John Savard

    At least kudzu isn't poisonous to touch.

    Apparently the same as the 'Giant Hogweed' threatening
    western Europe:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracleum_mantegazzianum

    pt

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  • From Tony Nance@21:1/5 to pete...@gmail.com on Tue Aug 1 09:33:40 2023
    On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:53:11 AM UTC-4, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:50:22 AM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    Apparently there's a monster devouring Russia...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NxuEoXHn8

    Sosnowsky's Hogweed. But it's from the Caucasus, not Poland.

    John Savard
    At least kudzu isn't poisonous to touch.

    Apparently the same as the 'Giant Hogweed' threatening
    western Europe:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracleum_mantegazzianum


    Indeed - Peter Gabriel foresaw this nefarious threat when he
    penned the lyrics to "The Return of the Giant Hogweed"[1],
    found on the 1971Genesis album Nursery Cryme.

    Tony
    [1] Initial lyrics to "The Return of the Giant Hogweed":
    "Turn and run!
    Nothing can stop them
    Around every river and canal their power is growing
    Stamp them out!
    We must destroy them
    They infiltrate each city with their thick dark warning odour
    They are invincible
    They seem immune to all our herbicidal battering

    Long ago in the Russian hills
    A Victorian explorer found
    The regal Hogweed by a marsh
    He captured it and brought it home

    Botanical creature stirs! Seeking revenge
    Royal beast did not forget
    He came home to London
    And made a present of the Hogweed
    To the Royal Gardens at Kew ..."

    <it's an easy search to find the rest>

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  • From John Halpenny@21:1/5 to Tony Nance on Fri Aug 4 17:54:57 2023
    On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 12:33:43 PM UTC-4, Tony Nance wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:53:11 AM UTC-4, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:50:22 AM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    Apparently there's a monster devouring Russia...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NxuEoXHn8

    Sosnowsky's Hogweed. But it's from the Caucasus, not Poland.

    John Savard
    At least kudzu isn't poisonous to touch.

    Apparently the same as the 'Giant Hogweed' threatening
    western Europe:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracleum_mantegazzianum

    Indeed - Peter Gabriel foresaw this nefarious threat when he
    penned the lyrics to "The Return of the Giant Hogweed"[1],
    found on the 1971Genesis album Nursery Cryme.

    Tony
    [1] Initial lyrics to "The Return of the Giant Hogweed":
    "Turn and run!
    Nothing can stop them
    Around every river and canal their power is growing
    Stamp them out!
    We must destroy them
    They infiltrate each city with their thick dark warning odour
    They are invincible
    They seem immune to all our herbicidal battering

    Long ago in the Russian hills
    A Victorian explorer found
    The regal Hogweed by a marsh
    He captured it and brought it home

    Botanical creature stirs! Seeking revenge
    Royal beast did not forget
    He came home to London
    And made a present of the Hogweed
    To the Royal Gardens at Kew ..."

    <it's an easy search to find the rest>

    Is that the same giant hogweed that is taking over Ontario? Can we blame Putin or Biden?

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to John Halpenny on Sat Aug 5 08:05:26 2023
    On Fri, 04 Aug 2023 17:54:57 -0700, John Halpenny wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 12:33:43 PM UTC-4, Tony Nance wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:53:11 AM UTC-4, pete...@gmail.com
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:50:22 AM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    Apparently there's a monster devouring Russia...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NxuEoXHn8

    Sosnowsky's Hogweed. But it's from the Caucasus, not Poland.

    John Savard
    At least kudzu isn't poisonous to touch.

    Apparently the same as the 'Giant Hogweed' threatening western
    Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracleum_mantegazzianum

    Indeed - Peter Gabriel foresaw this nefarious threat when he penned the
    lyrics to "The Return of the Giant Hogweed"[1],
    found on the 1971Genesis album Nursery Cryme.

    Tony [1] Initial lyrics to "The Return of the Giant Hogweed":
    "Turn and run!
    Nothing can stop them Around every river and canal their power is
    growing Stamp them out!
    We must destroy them They infiltrate each city with their thick dark
    warning odour They are invincible They seem immune to all our
    herbicidal battering

    Long ago in the Russian hills A Victorian explorer found The regal
    Hogweed by a marsh He captured it and brought it home

    Botanical creature stirs! Seeking revenge Royal beast did not forget He
    came home to London And made a present of the Hogweed To the Royal
    Gardens at Kew ..."

    <it's an easy search to find the rest>

    Is that the same giant hogweed that is taking over Ontario? Can we
    blame Putin or Biden?

    It turns out that the history of newspaper coverage of this
    purported menace is very peculiar. I find the first reference
    in 1923 -- 100 years ago...hmm. The first significant reporting
    about the plant, though, wasn't until 1970. It was a burst of
    articles in both Britain and the U.S. Peter Gabriel's song came
    the next year...Susequently, coverage spiked in 2002, 2010 and
    2018. Note that the Wikipedia article has exactly one sentence
    about it in Russia.

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  • From Tony Nance@21:1/5 to John Halpenny on Sat Aug 5 07:32:52 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:55:00 PM UTC-4, John Halpenny wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 12:33:43 PM UTC-4, Tony Nance wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:53:11 AM UTC-4, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:50:22 AM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    Apparently there's a monster devouring Russia...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NxuEoXHn8

    Sosnowsky's Hogweed. But it's from the Caucasus, not Poland.

    John Savard
    At least kudzu isn't poisonous to touch.

    Apparently the same as the 'Giant Hogweed' threatening
    western Europe:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracleum_mantegazzianum

    Indeed - Peter Gabriel foresaw this nefarious threat when he
    penned the lyrics to "The Return of the Giant Hogweed"[1],
    found on the 1971Genesis album Nursery Cryme.

    Tony
    [1] Initial lyrics to "The Return of the Giant Hogweed":
    "Turn and run!
    Nothing can stop them
    Around every river and canal their power is growing
    Stamp them out!
    We must destroy them
    They infiltrate each city with their thick dark warning odour
    They are invincible
    They seem immune to all our herbicidal battering

    Long ago in the Russian hills
    A Victorian explorer found
    The regal Hogweed by a marsh
    He captured it and brought it home

    Botanical creature stirs! Seeking revenge
    Royal beast did not forget
    He came home to London
    And made a present of the Hogweed
    To the Royal Gardens at Kew ..."

    <it's an easy search to find the rest>

    Is that the same giant hogweed that is taking over Ontario?


    It is!

    Can we blame Putin or Biden?

    We can! And not just those two - all other political figures
    with 5-letter last names.

    Tony, who has never been, and does not aspire to be,
    a political figure

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Tony Nance on Sat Aug 5 22:14:56 2023
    On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:32:55 AM UTC-6, Tony Nance wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:55:00 PM UTC-4, John Halpenny wrote:

    Can we blame Putin or Biden?

    We can! And not just those two - all other political figures
    with 5-letter last names.

    I'm gratified to hear that both Trudeau and Ford are exonerated, then,
    when it comes to the giant hogweed taking over Ontario. Canadian
    victimhood is unsullied!

    John Savard

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  • From Mike Van Pelt@21:1/5 to jsavard@ecn.ab.ca on Tue Aug 8 20:02:10 2023
    In article <8a3d8c32-0fa4-4413-9150-405d8d45b7e3n@googlegroups.com>,
    Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    Apparently there's a monster devouring Russia...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NxuEoXHn8

    Sosnowsky's Hogweed. But it's from the Caucasus, not Poland.

    Just from the subject header, my immediate thought was to complete
    the sentence .... "the Pottsylvania Creeper."

    --
    Mike Van Pelt | "I don't advise it unless you're nuts."
    mvp at calweb.com | -- Ray Wilkinson, after riding out Hurricane
    KE6BVH | Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Mike Van Pelt on Thu Aug 10 13:54:08 2023
    On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 4:02:15 PM UTC-4, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
    In article <8a3d8c32-0fa4-4413...@googlegroups.com>,
    Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    Apparently there's a monster devouring Russia...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NxuEoXHn8

    Sosnowsky's Hogweed. But it's from the Caucasus, not Poland.
    Just from the subject header, my immediate thought was to complete
    the sentence .... "the Pottsylvania Creeper."

    --

    Aha!

    https://rockyandbullwinkle.fandom.com/wiki/Pottsylvania_Creeper

    In the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast US we have "Virginia Creeper."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenocissus_quinquefolia

    It's everywhere. It overgrows power and phone lines, and the utilities
    and the towns have to trim it back.

    [quote]

    Virginia creeper will grow up any tree and most shrubs.
    This species will slowly kill the host on which it is growing,
    because it prevents the host from receiving an adequate
    amount of sunlight. It can also crowd or choke other plants.

    [/quote] - https://plants.usda.gov/DocumentLibrary/factsheet/pdf/fs_paqu2.pdf

    Untrimmed creeper spreads from a utility line, infests a tree, leaving it too weak to stand up to a strong wind. Tree falls and takes out the phone
    and power lines. Not a good cycle.

    Beware the Creeper!

    https://www.comics.org/issue/21708/

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Kevrob on Thu Aug 10 14:25:52 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:54:12 PM UTC-4, Kevrob wrote:


    [quote]

    Virginia creeper will grow up any tree and most shrubs.
    This species will slowly kill the host on which it is growing,
    because it prevents the host from receiving an adequate
    amount of sunlight. It can also crowd or choke other plants.

    [/quote] - actually from

    https://plants.usda.gov/DocumentLibrary/plantguide/doc/pg_paqu2.docx

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From Tony Nance@21:1/5 to Kevrob on Thu Aug 10 16:57:58 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:25:57 PM UTC-4, Kevrob wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:54:12 PM UTC-4, Kevrob wrote:


    [quote]

    Virginia creeper will grow up any tree and most shrubs.
    This species will slowly kill the host on which it is growing,
    because it prevents the host from receiving an adequate
    amount of sunlight. It can also crowd or choke other plants.

    [/quote] - actually from

    https://plants.usda.gov/DocumentLibrary/plantguide/doc/pg_paqu2.docx


    Ugh - we have Virginia creeper in the tree line that forms the northern boundary of our property. It's really hard to get rid of. And to boot, I'm
    one of those unlucky goobers whose skin gets irritated by it, too.
    (Minor rash, kind of a poison ivy thing, but not as virulent.)

    Tony

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 08:05:35 2023
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:54:08 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 4:02:15?PM UTC-4, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
    In article <8a3d8c32-0fa4-4413...@googlegroups.com>,
    Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    Apparently there's a monster devouring Russia...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NxuEoXHn8

    Sosnowsky's Hogweed. But it's from the Caucasus, not Poland.
    Just from the subject header, my immediate thought was to complete
    the sentence .... "the Pottsylvania Creeper."

    --

    Aha!

    https://rockyandbullwinkle.fandom.com/wiki/Pottsylvania_Creeper

    In the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast US we have "Virginia Creeper."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenocissus_quinquefolia

    It's everywhere. It overgrows power and phone lines, and the utilities
    and the towns have to trim it back.

    [quote]

    Virginia creeper will grow up any tree and most shrubs.
    This species will slowly kill the host on which it is growing,
    because it prevents the host from receiving an adequate
    amount of sunlight. It can also crowd or choke other plants.

    [/quote] - https://plants.usda.gov/DocumentLibrary/factsheet/pdf/fs_paqu2.pdf

    Untrimmed creeper spreads from a utility line, infests a tree, leaving it too >weak to stand up to a strong wind. Tree falls and takes out the phone
    and power lines. Not a good cycle.

    And, if I read the post you gave below correctly, it is /native/ not
    invasive.

    But it isn't a patch on the Pottsylvania Creeper. Or the Man-Eater of
    Surrey Green, for that matter.

    Beware the Creeper!

    https://www.comics.org/issue/21708/
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Andrew McDowell@21:1/5 to Kevrob on Fri Aug 11 09:29:56 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 10:25:57 PM UTC+1, Kevrob wrote:
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 4:54:12 PM UTC-4, Kevrob wrote:


    [quote]

    Virginia creeper will grow up any tree and most shrubs.
    This species will slowly kill the host on which it is growing,
    because it prevents the host from receiving an adequate
    amount of sunlight. It can also crowd or choke other plants.

    [/quote] - actually from

    https://plants.usda.gov/DocumentLibrary/plantguide/doc/pg_paqu2.docx

    --
    Kevin R
    I have virginia creeper on my garage wall - it was there when I bough the house and I have never found a compelling reason to remove it. In this climate it is only moderately invasive, but on the other hand it only makes a half-hearted attempt at turning
    bright red in the autumn before the leaves fall off. I presume that in a climate less moderated and dampened by the sea it would be more spectacular.

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