It's probably not going to happen, but I hope some character on the show
with actual science knowledge appears in the story eventually.
Some of the characters say some of the debris pieces (and the effects
caused by them) are defying gravity. That's clearly untrue. While they
do exhibit some sort of short distance near-field levitation ability, if
it were anti-gravity, they wouldn't have fallen to Earth like
meteorites. They also wouldn't float a few feet above a surface, they'd
fly off into space along a tangent line to the Earth.
Now, there's several known ways of levitating something, such as
magnetic (like maglev trains) and electro-static, and, for story
purposes, I wouldn't object to psychokinesis, force fields, repulsor
rays, etc. But when an object remains fixed over a spot on a spinning
Earth, it's not acting like anti-gravity (unless they also postulate
some attractive force that coincidentally happens to be of the same
magnitude as gravity).
If it's only the people out in the field retrieving pieces that don't
know the difference, it's not so bad, but if the alleged scientists
don't, it's going to look dumb.
Yeah, yeah, I know it's a TV show, but it's easily fixable. I'll give
it a few episodes and hope that the writers did better in later episodes
than in this one, but I won't hold my breath. :-)
-WBE
On 3/5/2021 11:58 AM, Winston wrote:
It's probably not going to happen, but I hope some character onYou appear to be under the incorrect impressions that 1) the
the show with actual science knowledge appears in the story
eventually.
Some of the characters say some of the debris pieces (and the
effects caused by them) are defying gravity. That's clearly
untrue. While they do exhibit some sort of short distance
near-field levitation ability, if it were anti-gravity, they
wouldn't have fallen to Earth like meteorites. They also
wouldn't float a few feet above a surface, they'd fly off into
space along a tangent line to the Earth.
Now, there's several known ways of levitating something, such
as magnetic (like maglev trains) and electro-static, and, for
story purposes, I wouldn't object to psychokinesis, force
fields, repulsor rays, etc. But when an object remains fixed
over a spot on a spinning Earth, it's not acting like
anti-gravity (unless they also postulate some attractive force
that coincidentally happens to be of the same magnitude as
gravity).
If it's only the people out in the field retrieving pieces that
don't know the difference, it's not so bad, but if the alleged
scientists don't, it's going to look dumb.
Yeah, yeah, I know it's a TV show, but it's easily fixable.
I'll give it a few episodes and hope that the writers did
better in later episodes than in this one, but I won't hold my
breath. :-)
-WBE
writers know any better; and 2) the writers care.
It's probably not going to happen, but I hope some character on the show
with actual science knowledge appears in the story eventually.
Some of the characters say some of the debris pieces (and the effects
caused by them) are defying gravity. That's clearly untrue. While they
do exhibit some sort of short distance near-field levitation ability, if
it were anti-gravity, they wouldn't have fallen to Earth like
meteorites. They also wouldn't float a few feet above a surface, they'd
fly off into space along a tangent line to the Earth.
But when an object remains fixed over a spot on a spinning
Earth, it's not acting like anti-gravity (unless they also postulate
some attractive force that coincidentally happens to be of the same
magnitude as gravity).
If it's only the people out in the field retrieving pieces that don't
know the difference, it's not so bad, but if the alleged scientists
don't, it's going to look dumb.
For your reference, records indicate that
Winston <wbe@UBEBLOCK.psr.com.invalid> wrote:
It's probably not going to happen, but I hope some character on the show
with actual science knowledge appears in the story eventually.
Haven’t seen it yet, but it’s on my list. Just going based on your >comment for now.
Some of the characters say some of the debris pieces (and the effects
caused by them) are defying gravity. That's clearly untrue. While they
do exhibit some sort of short distance near-field levitation ability, if
it were anti-gravity, they wouldn't have fallen to Earth like
meteorites. They also wouldn't float a few feet above a surface, they'd
fly off into space along a tangent line to the Earth.
What? What could generally be call “anti-gravity” can represent a whole >range of behaviors. Consider, for example, an object that acts like a >“gravitational superconductor”, such that it will fall into any gravity >well until the repulsive effect equally balances the attractive effect.
That makes the most sense, too, because the ability to “fly off” asserts >some power source that provides acceleration up out of the gravity well.
But when an object remains fixed over a spot on a spinning
Earth, it's not acting like anti-gravity (unless they also postulate
some attractive force that coincidentally happens to be of the same
magnitude as gravity).
Yeah, I don’t know how or why the *surface* of the planet would make that >much of a difference when it comes to gravitational forces. There could
be some kind of repulsive force, I suppose, like a medium range nuclear- >esque force that keeps objects from occupying the same space. It’d have
to be a pretty exotic material for that to be the behavior exhibited by >debris from a wreckage, though.
If it's only the people out in the field retrieving pieces that don't
know the difference, it's not so bad, but if the alleged scientists
don't, it's going to look dumb.
If the debris floats away from the ground but not from the people
grabbing for it, that’ll be a red flag for me. Whatever it’s doing, the >mechanism that explains the behavior needs to be consistent. Of course,
it seldom is with shows like this, so I also don’t expect to last the
full season.
...It's probably not going to happen, but I hope some character on
the show with actual science knowledge appears in the story
eventually.
Some of the characters say some of the debris pieces (and the
effects caused by them) are defying gravity. That's clearly
untrue. While they do exhibit some sort of short distance
near-field levitation ability, if it were anti-gravity, they
wouldn't have fallen to Earth like meteorites. They also
wouldn't float a few feet above a surface, they'd fly off into
space along a tangent line to the Earth.
If it's only the people out in the field retrieving pieces that
don't know the difference, it's not so bad, but if the alleged
scientists don't, it's going to look dumb.
Yeah, yeah, I know it's a TV show, but it's easily fixable.
I'll give it a few episodes and hope that the writers did
better in later episodes than in this one, but I won't hold my
breath. :-)
You appear to be under the incorrect impressions that 1) the
writers know any better;
and 2) the writers care.
And 3) the majority of audience knows or cares.
Some of the characters say some of the debris pieces (and the effects
caused by them) are defying gravity. That's clearly untrue. While they
do exhibit some sort of short distance near-field levitation ability,
.. if it were anti-gravity, they wouldn't have fallen to Earth like
meteorites. They also wouldn't float a few feet above a surface,
they'd fly off into space along a tangent line to the Earth.
What? What could generally be call anti-gravity can represent a whole range of behaviors. Consider, for example, an object that acts like a gravitational superconductor, such that it will fall into any gravity well until the repulsive effect equally balances the attractive effect.
... the ability to fly off asserts some power source that provides acceleration up out of the gravity well.
I previously posted:
It's probably not going to happen, but I hope some character
on the show with actual science knowledge appears in the
story eventually.
...Some of the characters say some of the debris pieces (and the
effects caused by them) are defying gravity. That's clearly
untrue. While they do exhibit some sort of short distance
near-field levitation ability, if it were anti-gravity, they
wouldn't have fallen to Earth like meteorites. They also
wouldn't float a few feet above a surface, they'd fly off
into space along a tangent line to the Earth.
If it's only the people out in the field retrieving pieces
that don't know the difference, it's not so bad, but if the
alleged scientists don't, it's going to look dumb.
Yeah, yeah, I know it's a TV show, but it's easily fixable.
I'll give it a few episodes and hope that the writers did
better in later episodes than in this one, but I won't hold
my breath. :-)
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> replied:
You appear to be under the incorrect impressions that 1) the
writers know any better;
As my last paragraph tried to indicate, I'm really not. :)
and 2) the writers care.
Once in a great while they do. If it's easily fixable,
AND they somehow learn of it,
AND if they haven't already written and filmed the future
episodes where it matters (unlikely),
AND on and on, then perhaps.
Otherwise, or if it breaks the story line, obviously they won't.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> replied:
And 3) the majority of audience knows or cares.
The readers here on rec.arts.sf.tv might, but we're not a
majority of the audience (AFAIK). We aren't even a Twitter mob.
:)
-WBE
If one postulates the debris pieces having a fancy sensor and control
system and individually having adjustable degrees of anti-gravity
capability, then, OK, I could imagine them having the capability of selectively adjusting the strength of the anti-gravity effect depending
on how close the object is to something underneath it. If the writers
do that, I guess that would address my objection. :)
... the ability to ¡°fly off¡± asserts some power source that provides acceleration up out of the gravity well.
Nope. The Earth is spinning.
If the
acceleration from gravity suddenly ceased,
and if not otherwise held
down, the now unaccelerated object would move in straight line, mostly tangent to the surface of the spinning Earth. (Well, OK, that ignores
the momentum of the object resulting from the Earth orbiting the Sun,
which (I think) would cause it to depart at a lower angle during the day
than at night, but you get the point.)
If they're going that extreme, small things like whether it's levitation
or anti-gravity just don't matter.
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I've seen all of them to date. So that's three or four episodes.
IMO it's "Lost" with overtly sf aspects.
There are special effects to wow the viewers and distract from
issues with the stories, and there are promises on top of promises
to keep people coming back in the hope that there will be real
revelations and that something will tie it all together and make
sense.
I'm still watching it, but I have no real hpes that it'll go
anywhere good.
For your reference, records indicate that
Winston <wbe@UBEBLOCK.psr.com.invalid> wrote:
If they're going that extreme, small things like whether it's levitation
or anti-gravity just don't matter.
Yeah, I finally watched the first episode and even in that there was
phasing through matter and manifesting memories that almost made the
floating corpses seem downright reasonable! I normally like to give
shows a few episodes to explain themselves, but this one just has too
many red flags for me.
On 2021-03-17 at 22:55:04 MDT, "Doc O'Leary" <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
For your reference, records indicate that
Winston <wbe@UBEBLOCK.psr.com.invalid> wrote:
If they're going that extreme, small things like whether it's levitation >>> or anti-gravity just don't matter.
Yeah, I finally watched the first episode and even in that there was
phasing through matter and manifesting memories that almost made the
floating corpses seem downright reasonable! I normally like to give
shows a few episodes to explain themselves, but this one just has too
many red flags for me.
It didn't get any better in the succeeding three episodes. As somebody else has suggested, it's essentially a bad copy of The X-Files: a man-woman team chasing down the Weirdness of the Week, with periodic teasing about a sinister
conspiracy.
Debris is junk.
On 3/24/2021 3:06 PM, Neill Massello wrote:
On 2021-03-17 at 22:55:04 MDT, "Doc O'Leary"Its a Rancid Onion Blowing Soap Bubbles of Flaming Stupidity.
<droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
For your reference, records indicate that
Winston <wbe@UBEBLOCK.psr.com.invalid> wrote:
If they're going that extreme, small things like whether it's
levitation
or anti-gravity just don't matter.
Yeah, I finally watched the first episode and even in that there was
phasing through matter and manifesting memories that almost made the
floating corpses seem downright reasonable! I normally like to give
shows a few episodes to explain themselves, but this one just has too
many red flags for me.
It didn't get any better in the succeeding three episodes. As somebody
else
has suggested, it's essentially a bad copy of The X-Files: a man-woman
team
chasing down the Weirdness of the Week, with periodic teasing about a
sinister
conspiracy.
Debris is junk.
On 3/24/2021 03:55 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/24/2021 3:06 PM, Neill Massello wrote:
On 2021-03-17 at 22:55:04 MDT, "Doc O'Leary"Its a Rancid Onion Blowing Soap Bubbles of Flaming Stupidity.
<droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
For your reference, records indicate that
Winston <wbe@UBEBLOCK.psr.com.invalid> wrote:
If they're going that extreme, small things like whether it's
levitation
or anti-gravity just don't matter.
Yeah, I finally watched the first episode and even in that there was
phasing through matter and manifesting memories that almost made the
floating corpses seem downright reasonable! I normally like to give
shows a few episodes to explain themselves, but this one just has too
many red flags for me.
It didn't get any better in the succeeding three episodes. As
somebody else
has suggested, it's essentially a bad copy of The X-Files: a
man-woman team
chasing down the Weirdness of the Week, with periodic teasing about a
sinister
conspiracy.
Debris is junk.
There's no soap in it though.
On 3/24/2021 5:50 PM, suzeeq wrote:
On 3/24/2021 03:55 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/24/2021 3:06 PM, Neill Massello wrote:
On 2021-03-17 at 22:55:04 MDT, "Doc O'Leary"Its a Rancid Onion Blowing Soap Bubbles of Flaming Stupidity.
<droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
For your reference, records indicate that
Winston <wbe@UBEBLOCK.psr.com.invalid> wrote:
If they're going that extreme, small things like whether it's
levitation
or anti-gravity just don't matter.
Yeah, I finally watched the first episode and even in that there was >>>>> phasing through matter and manifesting memories that almost made the >>>>> floating corpses seem downright reasonable! I normally like to give >>>>> shows a few episodes to explain themselves, but this one just has too >>>>> many red flags for me.
It didn't get any better in the succeeding three episodes. As
somebody else
has suggested, it's essentially a bad copy of The X-Files: a
man-woman team
chasing down the Weirdness of the Week, with periodic teasing about
a sinister
conspiracy.
Debris is junk.
There's no soap in it though.
Oh goody, its a _DEFECTIVE_ Rancid Onion.
:=P
(Though I suspect the soap is coming. It just takes a little time work
up a good froth of bubbles.)
On 3/24/2021 07:22 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/24/2021 5:50 PM, suzeeq wrote:Soap needs two or more characters interested in each other. I don't see
On 3/24/2021 03:55 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/24/2021 3:06 PM, Neill Massello wrote:
On 2021-03-17 at 22:55:04 MDT, "Doc O'Leary"Its a Rancid Onion Blowing Soap Bubbles of Flaming Stupidity.
<droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
For your reference, records indicate that
Winston <wbe@UBEBLOCK.psr.com.invalid> wrote:
If they're going that extreme, small things like whether it's >>>>>>> levitation
or anti-gravity just don't matter.
Yeah, I finally watched the first episode and even in that there was >>>>>> phasing through matter and manifesting memories that almost made the >>>>>> floating corpses seem downright reasonable! I normally like to give >>>>>> shows a few episodes to explain themselves, but this one just has too >>>>>> many red flags for me.
It didn't get any better in the succeeding three episodes. As
somebody else
has suggested, it's essentially a bad copy of The X-Files: a
man-woman team
chasing down the Weirdness of the Week, with periodic teasing about
a sinister
conspiracy.
Debris is junk.
There's no soap in it though.
Oh goody, its a _DEFECTIVE_ Rancid Onion.
:=P
(Though I suspect the soap is coming. It just takes a little time
work up a good froth of bubbles.)
that happening.
Soap needs two or more characters interested in each other. I don't see
that happening.
Soap needs two or more characters interested in each other. I don't
see that happening.
But . . . magical debris! It probably has the power to create a full
blown orgy, if only it werent constrained by a more powerful force in
the universe: broadcast TV network censors.
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