https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/babylon-5-reboot-the-cw-j-michael-straczynski-1235075236/
A "Babylon 5" reboot is in development at The CW, Variety has learned.
Original series creator J. Michael Straczynski is onboard to write the project. He will also executive producer under his Studio JMS banner.
Warner Bros. Television, which produced the original series, will
produce the reboot.
The new iteration of the sci-fi series is described as a
"from-the-ground-up reboot."
On 2021-09-30 19:51:52 +0000, Peter Trei said:
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/babylon-5-reboot-the-cw-j-micha
el-straczynski-1235075236/
A "Babylon 5" reboot is in development at The CW, Variety has
learned.
Original series creator J. Michael Straczynski is onboard to
write the project. He will also executive producer under his
Studio JMS banner. Warner Bros. Television, which produced the
original series, will produce the reboot.
The new iteration of the sci-fi series is described as a
"from-the-ground-up reboot."
The original was b-o-r-i-n-g garbage,
so any new version will be
garbage too ... unless they do a 'Battlestar Galactica' and make
it completely different and barely recognisable ... oh, wait, it
is a Hollyweird "reboot", so that is almost a foregone
conclusion.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
news:sj571v$1tpo$1@gioia.aioe.org:
On 2021-09-30 19:51:52 +0000, Peter Trei said:
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/babylon-5-reboot-the-cw-j-micha
el-straczynski-1235075236/
A "Babylon 5" reboot is in development at The CW, Variety has
learned.
Original series creator J. Michael Straczynski is onboard to
write the project. He will also executive producer under his
Studio JMS banner. Warner Bros. Television, which produced the
original series, will produce the reboot.
The new iteration of the sci-fi series is described as a
"from-the-ground-up reboot."
The original was b-o-r-i-n-g garbage,
I never got into myself, but you and I are the freaks.
so any new version will beProbably less so, since the original creator is in charge and
garbage too ... unless they do a 'Battlestar Galactica' and make
it completely different and barely recognisable ... oh, wait, it
is a Hollyweird "reboot", so that is almost a foregone
conclusion.
generally has a lot of favor from the studios (because has a
reputation for delivering on time and under budget).
On 9/30/2021 2:27 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote inAnd the actors who worked on the original B5 loved working for
news:sj571v$1tpo$1@gioia.aioe.org:
On 2021-09-30 19:51:52 +0000, Peter Trei said:
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/babylon-5-reboot-the-cw-j-mic
ha el-straczynski-1235075236/
A "Babylon 5" reboot is in development at The CW, Variety has
learned.
Original series creator J. Michael Straczynski is onboard to
write the project. He will also executive producer under his
Studio JMS banner. Warner Bros. Television, which produced
the original series, will produce the reboot.
The new iteration of the sci-fi series is described as a
"from-the-ground-up reboot."
The original was b-o-r-i-n-g garbage,
I never got into myself, but you and I are the freaks.
so any new version will beProbably less so, since the original creator is in charge and
garbage too ... unless they do a 'Battlestar Galactica' and
make it completely different and barely recognisable ... oh,
wait, it is a Hollyweird "reboot", so that is almost a
foregone conclusion.
generally has a lot of favor from the studios (because has a
reputation for delivering on time and under budget).
him because he had everything so well planned out that they
DIDN'T have to work 12+ hour days and got to have lives outside
working on the show.
I just wish his ideas held more appeal for me.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
I just wish his ideas held more appeal for me.
Consider checking out the AWA Studios (comics company) titles
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/babylon-5-reboot-the-cw-j-michael-straczynski-1235075236/
A Babylon 5 reboot is in development at The CW, Variety has learned.
Fantastic series up till the end of the Shadow War then it fell of a
cliff. Hope they ignore everything in the last season.
On 2021-10-01 17:26:06 +0000, T987654321 said:
Fantastic series up till the end of the Shadow War then it fell of a
cliff. Hope they ignore everything in the last season.
It's a "from scratch" "reboot" not a continuation, so it will be
ignoring *everything* from the previous show.
In article <a503db79-ceb0-47fa-bcd3-92faab468c29n@googlegroups.com>,
Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/babylon-5-reboot-the-cw-j-michael-straczynski-1235075236/
A Babylon 5 reboot is in development at The CW, Variety has learned.
My first reaction was a sinking feeling, and saying "Why!??!"
But it sounds like JMS is heavily involved.
My concern is, is CW going to give him a free hand, or are
they meddle it to death the way Fox (?)
did to "Crusade".
Does he have "You can't continue it without me" creative
control, or can they kick him off and make Babylon 90210
out of it.
Part of the fun of Babylon 5 was slowly figuring out what was
really going on. But then, knowing what I do of JMS, "what's
really going on" is likely very different in this version, and
if you're expecting the old WRGO, you're in for a shock.
I really wish this were JMS's long-promised treatment of
the Lensman saga, but I'll certainly give this a watch.
Unless it turns out to be Babylon 90210.
On 10/1/2021 2:05 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2021-10-01 17:26:06 +0000, T987654321 said:
Fantastic series up till the end of the Shadow War then it fell of a
cliff. Hope they ignore everything in the last season.
It's a "from scratch" "reboot" not a continuation, so it will be
ignoring *everything* from the previous show.
It occurs to me that the original was on the cutting edge of TV CGI at
the time but they still couldn't do or do well some things JMS would
have liked to have done.
A lot has changed in computer tech in 25 years....
Babylon 5 is my favorite television series. I have the whole thing
on DVD and rewatch it from time to time. The show has its flaws, but
the writing is much more sophisticated, with more interesting
character development, than in other shows. The series manages to be realistically "dark and gritty" without being relentlessly gloomy and
without making the characters total assholes that the audience can't sympathize with, two major flaws that ruined the Galactica reboot for
me. Even in the darkest times, the characters don't lose hope. I
didn't find the series the least bit boring; there was plenty of
action, and it was interesting to see the background story gradually
unfold. There were exciting revelations from time to time that really
invoked a sense of wonder.
I see no need for a B5 reboot. Moreover, anything made in the
current era is likely to be filled with asinine political propaganda
at the expense of storytelling. So I am opposed to the idea of a
reboot. Enough harm has been done to the Star Trek, Star Wars, and
Doctor Who franchises already. I don't want to see this happen to
Babylon 5.
If JMS is going to reboot anything, he should reboot Crusade and let
us see the rest of that story.
Alternatively, he could explore the origins of the Shadow War, or the
future of the Interstellar Alliance. Another possibility would be to
create more Lost Tales. There's plenty of room in the B5 universe for
new stories.
In any case, I would wait a few years until Hollywood outgrows its
current obsession with political correctness before starting a show.
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 19:09:30 -0700 (PDT)
Brian McGuinness <b.mcguinness747@gmail.com> wrote:
Babylon 5 is my favorite television series. I have the whole thing
on DVD and rewatch it from time to time. The show has its flaws, but
the writing is much more sophisticated, with more interesting
character development, than in other shows. The series manages to be
realistically "dark and gritty" without being relentlessly gloomy and
without making the characters total assholes that the audience can't
sympathize with, two major flaws that ruined the Galactica reboot for
me. Even in the darkest times, the characters don't lose hope. I
didn't find the series the least bit boring; there was plenty of
action, and it was interesting to see the background story gradually
unfold. There were exciting revelations from time to time that really
invoked a sense of wonder.
I see no need for a B5 reboot. Moreover, anything made in the
current era is likely to be filled with asinine political propaganda
at the expense of storytelling. So I am opposed to the idea of a
reboot. Enough harm has been done to the Star Trek, Star Wars, and
Doctor Who franchises already. I don't want to see this happen to
Babylon 5.
Female captain in season 5?
How about a female Captain in Star Trek? That happened in 1995. Or
even, shock horror, a Black captain. Chakotay and his Native
American culture. A black woman, Russian and Asian on
the bridge in the original series.
That's what Startrek has been about since the 60s, It's Gene
Roddenberry's vision of the future.
There's a massive difference between an original show casting different genders / races, and an idiotic "reboot" that insists on gender / race-swapping (and crowing about doing it) established characters simply
to appease the "Politically Correct' whiners and tick off studio quotas.
On 2021-10-25 08:05:47 +0000, Dex said:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 19:09:30 -0700 (PDT)
Brian McGuinness <b.mcguinness747@gmail.com> wrote:
Babylon 5 is my favorite television series. I have the whole thing
on DVD and rewatch it from time to time. The show has its flaws,
but the writing is much more sophisticated, with more interesting
character development, than in other shows. The series manages to
be realistically "dark and gritty" without being relentlessly
gloomy and without making the characters total assholes that the
audience can't sympathize with, two major flaws that ruined the
Galactica reboot for me. Even in the darkest times, the
characters don't lose hope. I didn't find the series the least
bit boring; there was plenty of action, and it was interesting to
see the background story gradually unfold. There were exciting
revelations from time to time that really invoked a sense of
wonder.
I see no need for a B5 reboot. Moreover, anything made in the
current era is likely to be filled with asinine political
propaganda at the expense of storytelling. So I am opposed to the
idea of a reboot. Enough harm has been done to the Star Trek,
Star Wars, and Doctor Who franchises already. I don't want to see
this happen to Babylon 5.
Female captain in season 5?
How about a female Captain in Star Trek? That happened in 1995. Or
even, shock horror, a Black captain. Chakotay and his Native
American culture. A black woman, Russian and Asian on
the bridge in the original series.
That's what Startrek has been about since the 60s, It's Gene
Roddenberry's vision of the future.
There's a massive difference between an original show casting
different genders / races, and an idiotic "reboot" that insists on
gender / race-swapping (and crowing about doing it) established
characters simply to appease the "Politically Correct' whiners and
tick off studio quotas.
On 25/10/2021 22:05, Your Name wrote:
There's a massive difference between an original show casting
different genders / races, and an idiotic "reboot" that insists
on gender / race-swapping (and crowing about doing it)
established characters simply to appease the "Politically
Correct' whiners and tick off studio quotas.
The thing about a reboot is - it's a reboot. These aren't
"established characters", what you have is a set of templates
that you can play with and change in order to engage the
audience you want and to tell the stories you want to tell. And
sometimes that will involve changes of gender, and it
definitively should involve changes of race and WILL, if you
have an open casting process and pick the best actor for the
role. Imitating the original characters, keeping them in the
same ethnic, social and mental positions, and telling the same
stories, isn't a reboot - it's a continuation by other means.
And telling stories and having "new" characters that a greater
demographic finds relatable isn't "ticking off studio quotas" -
it's reaching out to a larger potential audience.
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote in
news:sl8clu$dgo$1@dont-email.me:
On 25/10/2021 22:05, Your Name wrote:
There's a massive difference between an original show casting
different genders / races, and an idiotic "reboot" that insists
on gender / race-swapping (and crowing about doing it)
established characters simply to appease the "Politically
Correct' whiners and tick off studio quotas.
The thing about a reboot is - it's a reboot. These aren't
"established characters", what you have is a set of templates
that you can play with and change in order to engage the
audience you want and to tell the stories you want to tell. And
sometimes that will involve changes of gender, and it
definitively should involve changes of race and WILL, if you
have an open casting process and pick the best actor for the
role. Imitating the original characters, keeping them in the
same ethnic, social and mental positions, and telling the same
stories, isn't a reboot - it's a continuation by other means.
In this case, "reboot" means "I have different stories to tell, so of
course the characters will change."
And telling stories and having "new" characters that a greater
demographic finds relatable isn't "ticking off studio quotas" -
it's reaching out to a larger potential audience.
You say that like they're different things. Ticking of studio quotas
*is* reaching out to a larger potential audience, or so the studios
believe. That doesn't make it any less ticking off studio quotas.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote in
news:sl8clu$dgo$1@dont-email.me:
On 25/10/2021 22:05, Your Name wrote:
There's a massive difference between an original show casting
different genders / races, and an idiotic "reboot" that
insists on gender / race-swapping (and crowing about doing
it) established characters simply to appease the "Politically
Correct' whiners and tick off studio quotas.
The thing about a reboot is - it's a reboot. These aren't
"established characters", what you have is a set of templates
that you can play with and change in order to engage the
audience you want and to tell the stories you want to tell.
And sometimes that will involve changes of gender, and it
definitively should involve changes of race and WILL, if you
have an open casting process and pick the best actor for the
role. Imitating the original characters, keeping them in the
same ethnic, social and mental positions, and telling the same
stories, isn't a reboot - it's a continuation by other means.
In this case, "reboot" means "I have different stories to tell,
so of course the characters will change."
And time has passed. TV is a reflection of the society of the
day, regardless of it being science fiction - cf the very
sixties attitudes of Star Trek vs the po-faced serious
liberality of TNG vs the almost insufferably “woke”
Discovery. A new Babylon 5 for 2025 is bound to have different
sensibilities from Babylon 5 in 1995, or it’s doomed to
failure.
And telling stories and having "new" characters that a greater
demographic finds relatable isn't "ticking off studio quotas"
- it's reaching out to a larger potential audience.
You say that like they're different things. Ticking of studio
quotas *is* reaching out to a larger potential audience, or so
the studios believe. That doesn't make it any less ticking off
studio quotas.
Goes to motivation, but yes the effect is the same, and if you
can please a few suits while at the same time potentially
widening your fan base, it’s all good.
On 25/10/2021 22:05, Your Name wrote:
There's a massive difference between an original show casting different
genders / races, and an idiotic "reboot" that insists on gender /
race-swapping (and crowing about doing it) established characters
simply to appease the "Politically Correct' whiners and tick off studio
quotas.
The thing about a reboot is - it's a reboot. These aren't "established characters", what you have is a set of templates that you can play with
and change in order to engage the audience you want and to tell the
stories you want to tell. And sometimes that will involve changes of
gender, and it definitively should involve changes of race and WILL, if
you have an open casting process and pick the best actor for the role. Imitating the original characters, keeping them in the same ethnic,
social and mental positions, and telling the same stories, isn't a
reboot - it's a continuation by other means.
And telling stories and having "new" characters that a greater
demographic finds relatable isn't "ticking off studio quotas" - it's
reaching out to a larger potential audience.
The crowing about it is, indeed, dumb and needs to go away - but half
the time that's not what's happening.
The studio just let everyone know who's been cast - then has to get
defensive when reactionary dinosaurs go up in arms about it.
I WANT sci-fi that women enjoy watching as well as men, where boys and
girls; white, black, asian, and latino; gay and straight, bisexual,
asexual, trans and non-binary; all have role models they can relate
to. Not all in every show, not all in starring roles - but there. Why
the hell not?
On 2021-10-26 08:02:06 +0000, The Last Doctor said:
On 25/10/2021 22:05, Your Name wrote:
There's a massive difference between an original show casting
different genders / races, and an idiotic "reboot" that
insists on gender / race-swapping (and crowing about doing it)
established characters simply to appease the "Politically
Correct' whiners and tick off studio quotas.
The thing about a reboot is - it's a reboot. These aren't
"established characters", what you have is a set of templates
that you can play with and change in order to engage the
audience you want and to tell the stories you want to tell. And
sometimes that will involve changes of gender, and it
definitively should involve changes of race and WILL, if you
have an open casting process and pick the best actor for the
role. Imitating the original characters, keeping them in the
same ethnic, social and mental positions, and telling the same
stories, isn't a reboot - it's a continuation by other means.
The characters were established by the original. Changing them
is purely a case of appeasing "Politically Correct" whiners and
quota tick-boxing.
It's also all one-way - changing these
characters away from being wite males
(because as we all know,
being a white male is completely illegal these days). Get back
to me when a new "Wonder Woman" movie casts a male as the lead,
when the "Fresh Prince" casts a lead white male, etc.
A white, gay man as Wonder Woman, however, might be amusing.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
A white, gay man as Wonder Woman, however, might be amusing.
Less interesting than a white, M2F transgender Wonder Woman.
I WANT sci-fi that women enjoy watching as well as men, where boys and
girls; white, black, asian, and latino; gay and straight, bisexual,
asexual, trans and non-binary; all have role models they can relate to.
Not all in every show, not all in starring roles - but there. Why the
hell not?
On 2021-10-26, The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
I WANT sci-fi that women enjoy watching as well as men, where boys
and girls; white, black, asian, and latino; gay and straight,
bisexual, asexual, trans and non-binary; all have role models they
can relate to. Not all in every show, not all in starring roles -
but there. Why the hell not?
I am against diversity, inclusion, and social justice.
On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 19:09:30 -0700 (PDT)
Brian McGuinness <b.mcguinness747@gmail.com> wrote:
How about a female Captain in Star Trek? That happened in 1995. Or
even, shock horror, a Black captain. Chakotay and his Native
American culture. A black woman, Russian and Asian on
the bridge in the original series.
On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 00:18:04 -0000 (UTC)
Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
On 2021-10-26, The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
I WANT sci-fi that women enjoy watching as well as men, where
boys and girls; white, black, asian, and latino; gay and
straight, bisexual, asexual, trans and non-binary; all have
role models they can relate to. Not all in every show, not
all in starring roles - but there. Why the hell not?
I am against diversity, inclusion, and social justice.
Then go make your own sci-fi films or series that do not have
them.
Failing that carry on watching old re-runs, not the Alien
or Terminator franchises as they have strong female leads.
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