• William Shatner Scolds EU Over Plan To Censor Gendered Language In Icon

    From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 30 04:30:43 2024
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    Actor William Shatner scolded members of parliament in the European Union
    over reports that they planned to address the "gendered language" in the
    iconic introduction to his science fiction fan-favorite television series: "Star Trek."

    GB News reported on the initiative, which was apparently inspired by a 61-
    page document -- titled "Toolkit on Gender-sensitive Communication" -- which was published by the European Institute for Gender Equality.

    In addition to advising against the use of phrases like "no-man's land" -- suggesting "unclaimed territory" as an alternative -- the document addressed the problematic goals of the Galactic Federation, namely "to boldly go where
    no man has gone before."

    According to the group's findings, statements such as that one created an environment where "women may be subject to invisibility or omission."

    Shatner, who delivered the line as part of the introduction of each "Star
    Trek" episode, was not convinced.

    "Presentism at work yet again," Shatner began by registering his complaint about the attempt to apply today's values to a show that was created in a
    very different time and culture.

    "Why start at Trek?" the actor asked in his X post, suggesting that there
    were certainly more important historically significant documents that should
    be addressed first.

    "Isn't it better to start at the beginning and redo foundation material such
    as the Magna Carta, religious writings, works of Shakespeare before worrying about a silly TV show opening that reflects social commentary of the time?"
    he asked. "If people are offended by 6 seconds of dialogue recorded in 1966 without a modicum of understanding of the social issues at the time there's bigger issues that they need to deal with first -- like educating
    themselves."

    Presentism at work yet again. Why start at Trek? ??Isn't it better
    to start at the beginning and redo foundation material such as the
    Magna Carta, religious writings, works of Shakespeare before worrying
    about a silly TV show opening that reflects social commentary of
    the... pic.twitter.com/P0okn5rYca

    -- William Shatner (@WilliamShatner) January 29, 2024

    One person responded to Shatner by asking is the EU planned to ban the words
    of American astronaut Neil Armstrong next.

    "Neil Armstrong must be spinning in his grave ... 'One small step for man,
    one giant leap for mankind.' Will he be canceled for leaving out an 'a'? Is
    the word 'mankind' misogynous? We live in foolish times."

    Neil Armstrong must be spinning in his grave..."One small step for
    man, one giant leap for mankind".

    Will he be canceled for leaving out an "a"? Is the word "mankind"
    misogynous? We live in foolish times.

    -- Ry Brooks (@RyBrooks) January 29, 2024

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Tue Jan 30 10:12:43 2024
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    On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 04:30:43 -0500
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Actor William Shatner scolded members of parliament in the European
    Union over reports that they planned to address the "gendered
    language" in the iconic introduction to his science fiction
    fan-favorite television series: "Star Trek."

    GB News reported on the initiative, which was apparently inspired by
    a 61- page document -- titled "Toolkit on Gender-sensitive
    Communication" -- which was published by the European Institute for
    Gender Equality.

    In addition to advising against the use of phrases like "no-man's
    land" -- suggesting "unclaimed territory" as an alternative -- the
    document addressed the problematic goals of the Galactic Federation,
    namely "to boldly go where no man has gone before."

    According to the group's findings, statements such as that one
    created an environment where "women may be subject to invisibility or omission."

    Shatner, who delivered the line as part of the introduction of each
    "Star Trek" episode, was not convinced.

    "Presentism at work yet again," Shatner began by registering his
    complaint about the attempt to apply today's values to a show that
    was created in a very different time and culture.

    "Why start at Trek?" the actor asked in his X post, suggesting that
    there were certainly more important historically significant
    documents that should be addressed first.

    "Isn't it better to start at the beginning and redo foundation
    material such as the Magna Carta, religious writings, works of
    Shakespeare before worrying about a silly TV show opening that
    reflects social commentary of the time?" he asked. "If people are
    offended by 6 seconds of dialogue recorded in 1966 without a modicum
    of understanding of the social issues at the time there's bigger
    issues that they need to deal with first -- like educating
    themselves."

    Presentism at work yet again. Why start at Trek? ??Isn't it
    better to start at the beginning and redo foundation material such as
    the Magna Carta, religious writings, works of Shakespeare before
    worrying about a silly TV show opening that reflects social
    commentary of the... pic.twitter.com/P0okn5rYca

    -- William Shatner (@WilliamShatner) January 29, 2024

    One person responded to Shatner by asking is the EU planned to ban
    the words of American astronaut Neil Armstrong next.

    "Neil Armstrong must be spinning in his grave ... 'One small step for
    man, one giant leap for mankind.' Will he be canceled for leaving out
    an 'a'? Is the word 'mankind' misogynous? We live in foolish times."

    Neil Armstrong must be spinning in his grave..."One small
    step for man, one giant leap for mankind".

    Will he be canceled for leaving out an "a"? Is the word
    "mankind" misogynous? We live in foolish times.

    -- Ry Brooks (@RyBrooks) January 29, 2024

    --
    Let's go Brandon!


    While Shatner is absolutely right in the larger sense, he seems to have forgotten that as long ago as TNG, that famous intro was changed to
    "where no ONE has gone before". I assume that was because "activists"
    of one kind or another were already upset about the use of "man".

    All of these "activists" seem to have forgotten - or more likely
    ignored - the fact that "Man" has long been understood to include BOTH
    sexes and does NOT mean exclusively male.


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    Rhino

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Fri Feb 2 04:30:41 2024
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    no_offline_contact@example.com wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Actor William Shatner scolded members of parliament in the European
    Union over reports that they planned to address the "gendered
    language" in the iconic introduction to his science fiction
    fan-favorite television series: "Star Trek."

    GB News reported on the initiative, which was apparently inspired by
    a 61- page document -- titled "Toolkit on Gender-sensitive
    Communication" -- which was published by the European Institute for
    Gender Equality.

    In addition to advising against the use of phrases like "no-man's
    land" -- suggesting "unclaimed territory" as an alternative -- the
    document addressed the problematic goals of the Galactic Federation,
    namely "to boldly go where no man has gone before."

    According to the group's findings, statements such as that one
    created an environment where "women may be subject to invisibility or
    omission."

    Shatner, who delivered the line as part of the introduction of each
    "Star Trek" episode, was not convinced.

    "Presentism at work yet again," Shatner began by registering his
    complaint about the attempt to apply today's values to a show that
    was created in a very different time and culture.

    "Why start at Trek?" the actor asked in his X post, suggesting that
    there were certainly more important historically significant
    documents that should be addressed first.

    "Isn't it better to start at the beginning and redo foundation
    material such as the Magna Carta, religious writings, works of
    Shakespeare before worrying about a silly TV show opening that
    reflects social commentary of the time?" he asked. "If people are
    offended by 6 seconds of dialogue recorded in 1966 without a modicum
    of understanding of the social issues at the time there's bigger
    issues that they need to deal with first -- like educating
    themselves."

    Presentism at work yet again. Why start at Trek? ??Isn't it
    better to start at the beginning and redo foundation material such as
    the Magna Carta, religious writings, works of Shakespeare before
    worrying about a silly TV show opening that reflects social
    commentary of the... pic.twitter.com/P0okn5rYca

    -- William Shatner (@WilliamShatner) January 29, 2024

    One person responded to Shatner by asking is the EU planned to ban
    the words of American astronaut Neil Armstrong next.

    "Neil Armstrong must be spinning in his grave ... 'One small step for
    man, one giant leap for mankind.' Will he be canceled for leaving out
    an 'a'? Is the word 'mankind' misogynous? We live in foolish times."

    Neil Armstrong must be spinning in his grave..."One small
    step for man, one giant leap for mankind".

    Will he be canceled for leaving out an "a"? Is the word
    "mankind" misogynous? We live in foolish times.

    -- Ry Brooks (@RyBrooks) January 29, 2024

    While Shatner is absolutely right in the larger sense, he seems to have >forgotten that as long ago as TNG, that famous intro was changed to
    "where no ONE has gone before". I assume that was because "activists"
    of one kind or another were already upset about the use of "man".

    All of these "activists" seem to have forgotten - or more likely
    ignored - the fact that "Man" has long been understood to include BOTH
    sexes and does NOT mean exclusively male.

    I blame our degraded education system.

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Rhino on Tue Jan 30 15:34:47 2024
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    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    Tue, 30 Jan 2024 04:30:43 -0500 Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Actor William Shatner scolded members of parliament in the European
    Union over reports that they planned to address the "gendered
    language" in the iconic introduction to his science fiction
    fan-favorite television series: "Star Trek."

    GB News reported on the initiative, which was apparently inspired by
    a 61- page document -- titled "Toolkit on Gender-sensitive
    Communication" -- which was published by the European Institute for
    Gender Equality.

    In addition to advising against the use of phrases like "no-man's
    land" -- suggesting "unclaimed territory" as an alternative -- the
    document addressed the problematic goals of the Galactic Federation,
    namely "to boldly go where no man has gone before."

    According to the group's findings, statements such as that one
    created an environment where "women may be subject to invisibility or >>omission."

    Shatner, who delivered the line as part of the introduction of each
    "Star Trek" episode, was not convinced.

    "Presentism at work yet again," Shatner began by registering his
    complaint about the attempt to apply today's values to a show that
    was created in a very different time and culture.

    "Why start at Trek?" the actor asked in his X post, suggesting that
    there were certainly more important historically significant
    documents that should be addressed first.

    "Isn't it better to start at the beginning and redo foundation
    material such as the Magna Carta, religious writings, works of
    Shakespeare before worrying about a silly TV show opening that
    reflects social commentary of the time?" he asked. "If people are
    offended by 6 seconds of dialogue recorded in 1966 without a modicum
    of understanding of the social issues at the time there's bigger
    issues that they need to deal with first -- like educating
    themselves."

    Presentism at work yet again. Why start at Trek? ??Isn't it
    better to start at the beginning and redo foundation material such as
    the Magna Carta, religious writings, works of Shakespeare before
    worrying about a silly TV show opening that reflects social
    commentary of the... pic.twitter.com/P0okn5rYca

    -- William Shatner (@WilliamShatner) January 29, 2024

    One person responded to Shatner by asking is the EU planned to ban
    the words of American astronaut Neil Armstrong next.

    "Neil Armstrong must be spinning in his grave ... 'One small step for
    man, one giant leap for mankind.' Will he be canceled for leaving out
    an 'a'? Is the word 'mankind' misogynous? We live in foolish times."

    Neil Armstrong must be spinning in his grave..."One small
    step for man, one giant leap for mankind".

    Will he be canceled for leaving out an "a"? Is the word
    "mankind" misogynous? We live in foolish times.

    -- Ry Brooks (@RyBrooks) January 29, 2024

    While Shatner is absolutely right in the larger sense, he seems to have >forgotten that as long ago as TNG, that famous intro was changed to
    "where no ONE has gone before". I assume that was because "activists"
    of one kind or another were already upset about the use of "man".

    All of these "activists" seem to have forgotten - or more likely
    ignored - the fact that "Man" has long been understood to include BOTH
    sexes and does NOT mean exclusively male.

    Well, yes, that was the nature of English, which often lacks specific gender-neutral words. The word that's male gender is also used for
    gender neutral. Women were not being left out.

    The reason "man" was used, as it was in the Declaration of Independence

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
    created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with
    certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty
    and the pursuit of Happiness.

    because the language was more poetic.

    In Next Generation, in changing it, it became less poetic. Instead of
    changing it, they should have come up with a different introcution for
    Patrick Stewart to deliver.

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