• What Did You Watch? 2024-11-26 (Tuesday)

    From Ian J. Ball@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 27 08:50:56 2024
    I spent most of yesterday (day) cleaning my place for the coming
    holiday. I didn't even finish yesterday, but I did make a lot of
    progress, enough that my cleaning today will be mostly finishing up...

    But I did get through a couple more movies, and soaps:

    soaps:
    DOOL - Mon's & Tue's ep's. Alex ends up not ratting Joy and Johnny
    out to Chanel. Johnny still feels guilty, but doesn't tell Chanel.
    Paulina puts pressure on Jada to find Hattie, but Jada kind of swats her
    away; later, Paulina loses it on Marlena when she thinks Marlena is
    Hattie. Leo has another amusing session with Marlena. Javi still wants
    nothing to do with Leo... Tue's ep was the Thanksgiving ep. By
    contrivance, most of the cast gathers at the diner for Thanksgiving,
    including NuPhilip, which causes friction with Alex (both Alex and
    Philip seem to be vying for Stephanie - Stephanie's crazy if she ends up
    with Philip!) and Xander (as Philip is trying to take Titan away from
    Xander).
    GH - Tue's ep. Ava's trial is underway, and Ric does a pretty good
    job discrediting Dante, and then successfully does get Kristina to melt
    down on the stand. Sasha talks with Maxie (Zenon!!) about potentially
    being preggers (though she doesn't tell Maxie about Michael) - at the
    end, it's confirmed that Sasha is preggers. By coincidence, Cody picks
    up the escaping NuNuLulu on the side of the road, and takes her into
    town - it was unclear to me if Cody recognized who Lulu was and kept
    quiet about it or not (there would be no way that Cody wouldn't have
    seen pictures of Lulu at Dante's place, so he should have known who she
    was...) - at the end, Lulu was about to walk into Maxie's place (with
    Sasha there): this will be a good scene on Wed's ep.
    Y&R - Mon's ep. Filis[sic!] is irate that Nick is still defending
    Sharon, and is more irate that Michael is defending Sharon as her
    lawyer! Sharon "wishes" Linden Ashby's ghost(!) to the cornfield. After
    talking with Faith and Mariah, I think Nick is starting to figure out
    that Sharon is being framed for running Filis off the road. Billy's and
    Sally's "morning after" puts Adam off; then Victor pokes the bear - I
    don't think Sally likes Billy's thirst for REVENGE! against Victor (even
    though it is totally justified!!).

    Then, I picked up where I left off with the flicks on Tubi:

    Sidenote: Once again, both of these flicks looked crappy. The recurring
    theme here seems to be that all of the 2000's-era direct-to-video flicks
    look lousy (at least on Tubi). I've got to think that's because they're
    all DVD-rips, and DVD-rips just look bad on HDTV's, no matter what you do...

    Cruel Intentions 2 (Tubi) - Like the "Center Stage" flicks, "Cruel
    Intentions 2" & "3" are leaving Tubi in a few days. So I decided to
    revisit them too.
    This 2000/2001 flick is the one that was originally a Fox TV series,
    but Fox cancelled it in the middle of filming episode #2 (due to
    controversy), so they turned it into a direct-to-video flick by filming
    a few extra scenes and throwing in some naked nudity (but not enough!!
    ;p ).
    Considering this was to be a TV show, the cast for this is kind of mind-blowing - they had Mimi Rodgers playing Kathryn Merteuil's mom, and
    they had Amy-friggin'-Adams playing Kathryn Merteuil!
    It blows my mind that Amy Adams was almost in a TV series. AFAIR,
    Adams never really did TV in her early career, though apparently she did
    an episode of "Charmed" very early in her career that I had forgotten
    about! (and later did an episode of "Smallville", in a fat suit!!) - so
    I must have seen her back then.
    Adams is so young here that she's almost kind of unrecognizable. The
    other thing that amazes me is that Amy Adams is a multiple-Academy Award nominee, but Sarah-Michelle Gellar *blows Adams away* in this role. And
    it just can't be chalked up to the writing or "the character is younger"
    here - Adams just isn't nearly as good at the role as Gellar.
    Overall, this is fine, as long as it's tracking what the TV show
    filmed. But they must have tacked on the "twist" ending (I hope the TV
    series wasn't intending to end up in the same place!), and it doesn't
    work at all, IMO. (Movie/TV #1: You need to have somebody to "root for"
    - if you don't, you have nothing.)

    Wild Things: Foursome (Tubi) - The fourth, and final, "Wild Things"
    flick from 2010 (which I had never seen before, and indeed don't even
    think I even knew existed until maybe a decade later!).
    This one interested me because it stars Jillian Murray early in her
    career (this is just a year after she recurred on "Sonny with a Chance"
    and had done the flicks "Forget Me Not" and "The Graves") - and she does
    look like a virtual baby here - along with Marnette Patterson! I'm
    actually shocked to see that Marnette Patterson is still working, though
    she's fallen *way* down the Hollywood ladder from her heights (esp.
    compared to Murray!) and as you might expect she didn't really keep her
    looks.
    This is easily the worst of the "Wild Things" flicks IMO, despite
    sporting Murray in slutty trailer park short-shorts and a bikini top
    through most of the film, and even sporting a flash of Murray
    toplessness! (I am quite sure that everyone got stunt butts here, tho...)
    For one, I think this flick lost something by replacing Linden Ashby
    from "2" and "3" as the detective cop with John Schneider. (Though,
    considering the fate of the character, it maybe makes sense why they
    didn't brink Ashby back...) (Sidenote: I like how Marc Macaulay was in 3
    of the 4 "Wild Things" flicks, each time playing a different character!
    - in "4", he plays Schneider's police captain boss...)
    For another, this one seems to start out being centered around a
    male lead (Ashley Parker Angel), though that's a bait-and-switch and
    Murray and Patterson are indeed the leads through most of the film.
    And then there's the fact that the third girl in the "foursome" just basically disappears from the last 2/3 of the flick. :/
    Like "2", much of "4" concern's Schneider's detective trying to
    figure out what is going on and what Murray and Patterson are up to.
    Anyway, this one was only interesting to see Murray early in her
    career, and to see Patterson play against type as a scheming femme
    fatale-type (OTOH, Murray has been playing those since the beginning of
    her career...).
    But I thought the ending of this one was particularly weak, esp.
    compared to the endings of "2" and "3", which largely worked IMO.


    What did you watch?

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  • From Arthur Lipscomb@21:1/5 to Ian J. Ball on Wed Nov 27 13:19:38 2024
    On 11/27/2024 8:50 AM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
    I spent most of yesterday (day) cleaning my place for the coming
    holiday. I didn't even finish yesterday, but I did make a lot of
    progress, enough that my cleaning today will be mostly finishing up...

    But I did get through a couple more movies, and soaps:

    soaps:
       DOOL - Mon's & Tue's ep's. Alex ends up not ratting Joy and Johnny
    out to Chanel. Johnny still feels guilty, but doesn't tell Chanel.
    Paulina puts pressure on Jada to find Hattie, but Jada kind of swats her away; later, Paulina loses it on Marlena when she thinks Marlena is
    Hattie. Leo has another amusing session with Marlena. Javi still wants nothing to do with Leo... Tue's ep was the Thanksgiving ep. By
    contrivance, most of the cast gathers at the diner for Thanksgiving, including NuPhilip, which causes friction with Alex (both Alex and
    Philip seem to be vying for Stephanie - Stephanie's crazy if she ends up
    with Philip!) and Xander (as Philip is trying to take Titan away from Xander).
       GH - Tue's ep. Ava's trial is underway, and Ric does a pretty good
    job discrediting Dante, and then successfully does get Kristina to melt
    down on the stand. Sasha talks with Maxie (Zenon!!) about potentially
    being preggers (though she doesn't tell Maxie about Michael) - at the
    end, it's confirmed that Sasha is preggers. By coincidence, Cody picks
    up the escaping NuNuLulu on the side of the road, and takes her into
    town - it was unclear to me if Cody recognized who Lulu was and kept
    quiet about it or not (there would be no way that Cody wouldn't have
    seen pictures of Lulu at Dante's place, so he should have known who she was...) - at the end, Lulu was about to walk into Maxie's place (with
    Sasha there): this will be a good scene on Wed's ep.
       Y&R - Mon's ep. Filis[sic!] is irate that Nick is still defending Sharon, and is more irate that Michael is defending Sharon as her
    lawyer! Sharon "wishes" Linden Ashby's ghost(!) to the cornfield. After talking with Faith and Mariah, I think Nick is starting to figure out
    that Sharon is being framed for running Filis off the road. Billy's and Sally's "morning after" puts Adam off; then Victor pokes the bear - I
    don't think Sally likes Billy's thirst for REVENGE! against Victor (even though it is totally justified!!).

    Then, I picked up where I left off with the flicks on Tubi:

    Sidenote: Once again, both of these flicks looked crappy. The recurring
    theme here seems to be that all of the 2000's-era direct-to-video flicks
    look lousy (at least on Tubi). I've got to think that's because they're
    all DVD-rips, and DVD-rips just look bad on HDTV's, no matter what you
    do...

    Cruel Intentions 2 (Tubi) - Like the "Center Stage" flicks, "Cruel
    Intentions 2" & "3" are leaving Tubi in a few days. So I decided to
    revisit them too.
       This 2000/2001 flick is the one that was originally a Fox TV series, but Fox cancelled it in the middle of filming episode #2 (due to controversy), so they turned it into a direct-to-video flick by filming
    a few extra scenes and throwing in some naked nudity (but not
    enough!! ;p  ).
       Considering this was to be a TV show, the cast for this is kind of mind-blowing - they had Mimi Rodgers playing Kathryn Merteuil's mom, and
    they had Amy-friggin'-Adams playing Kathryn Merteuil!

    I know! The last time I watched the movie Amy Adams probably wasn't
    even on my radar. But now I was like, she's in this?

       It blows my mind that Amy Adams was almost in a TV series. AFAIR,
    Adams never really did TV in her early career, though apparently she did
    an episode of "Charmed" very early in her career that I had forgotten
    about! (and later did an episode of "Smallville", in a fat suit!!) - so
    I must have seen her back then.
       Adams is so young here that she's almost kind of unrecognizable. The other thing that amazes me is that Amy Adams is a multiple-Academy Award nominee, but Sarah-Michelle Gellar *blows Adams away* in this role. And
    it just can't be chalked up to the writing or "the character is younger"
    here - Adams just isn't nearly as good at the role as Gellar.

    Agreed.

       Overall, this is fine, as long as it's tracking what the TV show filmed. But they must have tacked on the "twist" ending (I hope the TV
    series wasn't intending to end up in the same place!), and it doesn't
    work at all, IMO. (Movie/TV #1: You need to have somebody to "root for"
    - if you don't, you have nothing.)


    I wouldn't call it a "twist" ending. Like you said, it was tacked on.
    Had the series not been cancelled, the younger brother would have been
    the protagonist. I'm seeing the same thing play out in the new Amazon
    series. The new series has a very similar plot structure as the movie
    and the cancelled Fox series where the sister orders her step brother to
    help her in her latest evil scheme. The brother agrees to do it, but
    it's all under the sister's thumb. With the Fox series being cancelled,
    they had to link it to the movie where at the start of the movie he's
    going to do her bidding instead of challenging her.

    So is Cruel Intentions 3 worth checking out before it leaves?


    Wild Things: Foursome (Tubi) - The fourth, and final, "Wild Things"
    flick from 2010 (which I had never seen before, and indeed don't even
    think I even knew existed until maybe a decade later!).

    There's a fourth one?!?

       This one interested me because it stars Jillian Murray early in her career (this is just a year after she recurred on "Sonny with a Chance"
    and had done the flicks "Forget Me Not" and "The Graves") - and she does
    look like a virtual baby here - along with Marnette Patterson! I'm
    actually shocked to see that Marnette Patterson is still working, though she's fallen *way* down the Hollywood ladder from her heights (esp.
    compared to Murray!) and as you might expect she didn't really keep her looks.
       This is easily the worst of the "Wild Things" flicks IMO, despite sporting Murray in slutty trailer park short-shorts and a bikini top
    through most of the film, and even sporting a flash of Murray
    toplessness! (I am quite sure that everyone got stunt butts here, tho...)
       For one, I think this flick lost something by replacing Linden Ashby from "2" and "3" as the detective cop with John Schneider. (Though, considering the fate of the character, it maybe makes sense why they
    didn't brink Ashby back...) (Sidenote: I like how Marc Macaulay was in 3
    of the 4 "Wild Things" flicks, each time playing a different character!
    - in "4", he plays Schneider's police captain boss...)
       For another, this one seems to start out being centered around a
    male lead (Ashley Parker Angel), though that's a bait-and-switch and
    Murray and Patterson are indeed the leads through most of the film.
       And then there's the fact that the third girl in the "foursome" just basically disappears from the last 2/3 of the flick.  :/
       Like "2", much of "4" concern's Schneider's detective trying to
    figure out what is going on and what Murray and Patterson are up to.
       Anyway, this one was only interesting to see Murray early in her career, and to see Patterson play against type as a scheming femme fatale-type (OTOH, Murray has been playing those since the beginning of
    her career...).
       But I thought the ending of this one was particularly weak, esp. compared to the endings of "2" and "3", which largely worked IMO.


    What did you watch?


    I watched:


    Planet Terror (blu-ray) This was not on my original watch list, but I'm planning to watch some other Robert Rodriguez and Eli Roth movies over
    the next couple of days, and figured I'd squeeze in "Grindhouse."

    "Grindhouse" was a double feature movie that came out in 2007. The
    movie featured fake trailers for movies like "Machete" and
    "Thanksgiving" which eventually became real movies. It was split it
    into two separate movie releases for home video. First up is "Planet
    Terror" directed by Robert Rodriguez. It's designed to look like a low
    budget schlock movie from the 70s. The plot has a cast of famous actors
    (too many to list) battling zombie like monsters. Watching it again
    after all this time was loads of fun. It holds up great. I'll see if I
    can watch the other half tonight or tomorrow.

    Rose McGowan as "Cherry Darling"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRdhagZzBoY

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to arthur@alum.calberkeley.org on Wed Nov 27 17:51:16 2024
    On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 13:19:38 -0800, Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:

    On 11/27/2024 8:50 AM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
    I spent most of yesterday (day) cleaning my place for the coming
    holiday. I didn't even finish yesterday, but I did make a lot of
    progress, enough that my cleaning today will be mostly finishing up...

    But I did get through a couple more movies, and soaps:

    soaps:
       DOOL - Mon's & Tue's ep's. Alex ends up not ratting Joy and Johnny
    out to Chanel. Johnny still feels guilty, but doesn't tell Chanel.
    Paulina puts pressure on Jada to find Hattie, but Jada kind of swats her
    away; later, Paulina loses it on Marlena when she thinks Marlena is
    Hattie. Leo has another amusing session with Marlena. Javi still wants
    nothing to do with Leo... Tue's ep was the Thanksgiving ep. By
    contrivance, most of the cast gathers at the diner for Thanksgiving,
    including NuPhilip, which causes friction with Alex (both Alex and
    Philip seem to be vying for Stephanie - Stephanie's crazy if she ends up
    with Philip!) and Xander (as Philip is trying to take Titan away from
    Xander).
       GH - Tue's ep. Ava's trial is underway, and Ric does a pretty good
    job discrediting Dante, and then successfully does get Kristina to melt
    down on the stand. Sasha talks with Maxie (Zenon!!) about potentially
    being preggers (though she doesn't tell Maxie about Michael) - at the
    end, it's confirmed that Sasha is preggers. By coincidence, Cody picks
    up the escaping NuNuLulu on the side of the road, and takes her into
    town - it was unclear to me if Cody recognized who Lulu was and kept
    quiet about it or not (there would be no way that Cody wouldn't have
    seen pictures of Lulu at Dante's place, so he should have known who she
    was...) - at the end, Lulu was about to walk into Maxie's place (with
    Sasha there): this will be a good scene on Wed's ep.
       Y&R - Mon's ep. Filis[sic!] is irate that Nick is still defending
    Sharon, and is more irate that Michael is defending Sharon as her
    lawyer! Sharon "wishes" Linden Ashby's ghost(!) to the cornfield. After
    talking with Faith and Mariah, I think Nick is starting to figure out
    that Sharon is being framed for running Filis off the road. Billy's and
    Sally's "morning after" puts Adam off; then Victor pokes the bear - I
    don't think Sally likes Billy's thirst for REVENGE! against Victor (even
    though it is totally justified!!).

    Then, I picked up where I left off with the flicks on Tubi:

    Sidenote: Once again, both of these flicks looked crappy. The recurring
    theme here seems to be that all of the 2000's-era direct-to-video flicks
    look lousy (at least on Tubi). I've got to think that's because they're
    all DVD-rips, and DVD-rips just look bad on HDTV's, no matter what you
    do...

    Cruel Intentions 2 (Tubi) - Like the "Center Stage" flicks, "Cruel
    Intentions 2" & "3" are leaving Tubi in a few days. So I decided to
    revisit them too.
       This 2000/2001 flick is the one that was originally a Fox TV series, >> but Fox cancelled it in the middle of filming episode #2 (due to
    controversy), so they turned it into a direct-to-video flick by filming
    a few extra scenes and throwing in some naked nudity (but not
    enough!! ;p  ).
       Considering this was to be a TV show, the cast for this is kind of
    mind-blowing - they had Mimi Rodgers playing Kathryn Merteuil's mom, and
    they had Amy-friggin'-Adams playing Kathryn Merteuil!

    I know! The last time I watched the movie Amy Adams probably wasn't
    even on my radar. But now I was like, she's in this?

       It blows my mind that Amy Adams was almost in a TV series. AFAIR,
    Adams never really did TV in her early career, though apparently she did
    an episode of "Charmed" very early in her career that I had forgotten
    about! (and later did an episode of "Smallville", in a fat suit!!) - so
    I must have seen her back then.
       Adams is so young here that she's almost kind of unrecognizable.

    Only around 25 when she did this.

    The
    other thing that amazes me is that Amy Adams is a multiple-Academy Award
    nominee, but Sarah-Michelle Gellar *blows Adams away* in this role. And
    it just can't be chalked up to the writing or "the character is younger"
    here - Adams just isn't nearly as good at the role as Gellar.

    Agreed.

    Interesting take. I looked it up over on Wikipedia and see that some
    reviewer had a very different take on her performance.

    "In Los Angeles, Adams auditioned for whatever parts came her way, but
    she was mostly given roles of "the bitchy girl".[14][19][20] Her first assignment came within a week of her relocation in the Fox television
    series Manchester Prep, a spin-off of the film Cruel Intentions, in
    the lead role of Kathryn Merteuil (played by Sarah Michelle Gellar in
    the film).[4] Following numerous script revisions and two production
    shutdowns, the series was canceled.[21] Adams later said a
    controversial scene in which her character encourages a girl to
    masturbate on a horse was the primary reason for its cancellation.[19]
    The three filmed episodes were re-edited and released later in 2000 as
    the direct-to-video film Cruel Intentions 2.[4] Despite a negative
    critical reception, Nathan Rabin of The A.V. Club wrote that Adams
    plays her "alpha-bitch role with vicious glee largely missing from
    Sarah Michelle Gellar's sterile take on the character".[22][23]"


    Wow.. The next paragraph says that she was in PSYCHO BEACH PARTY
    which I watched because of Nicholas Brendon but enjoyed because of
    Lauren Ambrose. Don't remember Amy Adams from that movie so she
    clearly didn't make much of an impression on me back then.

       Overall, this is fine, as long as it's tracking what the TV show
    filmed. But they must have tacked on the "twist" ending (I hope the TV
    series wasn't intending to end up in the same place!), and it doesn't
    work at all, IMO. (Movie/TV #1: You need to have somebody to "root for"
    - if you don't, you have nothing.)


    I wouldn't call it a "twist" ending. Like you said, it was tacked on.
    Had the series not been cancelled, the younger brother would have been
    the protagonist. I'm seeing the same thing play out in the new Amazon >series. The new series has a very similar plot structure as the movie
    and the cancelled Fox series where the sister orders her step brother to
    help her in her latest evil scheme. The brother agrees to do it, but
    it's all under the sister's thumb. With the Fox series being cancelled,
    they had to link it to the movie where at the start of the movie he's
    going to do her bidding instead of challenging her.

    So is Cruel Intentions 3 worth checking out before it leaves?


    Wild Things: Foursome (Tubi) - The fourth, and final, "Wild Things"
    flick from 2010 (which I had never seen before, and indeed don't even
    think I even knew existed until maybe a decade later!).

    There's a fourth one?!?

       This one interested me because it stars Jillian Murray early in her
    career (this is just a year after she recurred on "Sonny with a Chance"
    and had done the flicks "Forget Me Not" and "The Graves") - and she does
    look like a virtual baby here - along with Marnette Patterson! I'm
    actually shocked to see that Marnette Patterson is still working, though
    she's fallen *way* down the Hollywood ladder from her heights (esp.
    compared to Murray!) and as you might expect she didn't really keep her
    looks.
       This is easily the worst of the "Wild Things" flicks IMO, despite
    sporting Murray in slutty trailer park short-shorts and a bikini top
    through most of the film, and even sporting a flash of Murray
    toplessness! (I am quite sure that everyone got stunt butts here, tho...)
       For one, I think this flick lost something by replacing Linden Ashby >> from "2" and "3" as the detective cop with John Schneider. (Though,
    considering the fate of the character, it maybe makes sense why they
    didn't brink Ashby back...) (Sidenote: I like how Marc Macaulay was in 3
    of the 4 "Wild Things" flicks, each time playing a different character!
    - in "4", he plays Schneider's police captain boss...)
       For another, this one seems to start out being centered around a
    male lead (Ashley Parker Angel), though that's a bait-and-switch and
    Murray and Patterson are indeed the leads through most of the film.
       And then there's the fact that the third girl in the "foursome" just >> basically disappears from the last 2/3 of the flick.  :/
       Like "2", much of "4" concern's Schneider's detective trying to
    figure out what is going on and what Murray and Patterson are up to.
       Anyway, this one was only interesting to see Murray early in her
    career, and to see Patterson play against type as a scheming femme
    fatale-type (OTOH, Murray has been playing those since the beginning of
    her career...).
       But I thought the ending of this one was particularly weak, esp.
    compared to the endings of "2" and "3", which largely worked IMO.


    What did you watch?


    I watched:


    Planet Terror (blu-ray) This was not on my original watch list, but I'm >planning to watch some other Robert Rodriguez and Eli Roth movies over
    the next couple of days, and figured I'd squeeze in "Grindhouse."

    "Grindhouse" was a double feature movie that came out in 2007. The
    movie featured fake trailers for movies like "Machete" and
    "Thanksgiving" which eventually became real movies. It was split it
    into two separate movie releases for home video. First up is "Planet
    Terror" directed by Robert Rodriguez. It's designed to look like a low >budget schlock movie from the 70s. The plot has a cast of famous actors
    (too many to list) battling zombie like monsters. Watching it again
    after all this time was loads of fun. It holds up great. I'll see if I
    can watch the other half tonight or tomorrow.

    Rose McGowan as "Cherry Darling"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRdhagZzBoY

    Reloading has to be a bitch.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to shawn on Thu Nov 28 04:06:00 2024
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

    . . .

    Wow.. The next paragraph says that she was in PSYCHO BEACH PARTY
    which I watched because of Nicholas Brendon but enjoyed because of
    Lauren Ambrose. Don't remember Amy Adams from that movie so she
    clearly didn't make much of an impression on me back then.

    I remember her. She lost her bikini bottoms.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0206226/mediaviewer/rm579075841/

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Wed Nov 27 23:21:03 2024
    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 04:06:00 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

    . . .

    Wow.. The next paragraph says that she was in PSYCHO BEACH PARTY
    which I watched because of Nicholas Brendon but enjoyed because of
    Lauren Ambrose. Don't remember Amy Adams from that movie so she
    clearly didn't make much of an impression on me back then.

    I remember her. She lost her bikini bottoms.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0206226/mediaviewer/rm579075841/

    So I see
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0206226/mediaviewer/rm4169294593

    but to be honest it's hard to look at those images and see the Amy
    Adams we know from her other films. That blonde hair isn't working for
    her.

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  • From Ian J. Ball@21:1/5 to shawn on Wed Nov 27 20:25:12 2024
    On 11/27/24 2:51 PM, shawn wrote:

    On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 13:19:38 -0800, Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
    On 11/27/2024 8:50 AM, Ian J. Ball wrote:

    I spent most of yesterday (day) cleaning my place for the coming
    holiday. I didn't even finish yesterday, but I did make a lot of
    progress, enough that my cleaning today will be mostly finishing up...

    But I did get through a couple more movies, and soaps:

    [snip]

    Then, I picked up where I left off with the flicks on Tubi:

    Sidenote: Once again, both of these flicks looked crappy. The recurring
    theme here seems to be that all of the 2000's-era direct-to-video flicks >>> look lousy (at least on Tubi). I've got to think that's because they're
    all DVD-rips, and DVD-rips just look bad on HDTV's, no matter what you
    do...

    Cruel Intentions 2 (Tubi) - Like the "Center Stage" flicks, "Cruel
    Intentions 2" & "3" are leaving Tubi in a few days. So I decided to
    revisit them too.
       This 2000/2001 flick is the one that was originally a Fox TV series, >>> but Fox cancelled it in the middle of filming episode #2 (due to
    controversy), so they turned it into a direct-to-video flick by filming
    a few extra scenes and throwing in some naked nudity (but not
    enough!! ;p  ).
       Considering this was to be a TV show, the cast for this is kind of >>> mind-blowing - they had Mimi Rodgers playing Kathryn Merteuil's mom, and >>> they had Amy-friggin'-Adams playing Kathryn Merteuil!

    I know! The last time I watched the movie Amy Adams probably wasn't
    even on my radar. But now I was like, she's in this?

       It blows my mind that Amy Adams was almost in a TV series. AFAIR, >>> Adams never really did TV in her early career, though apparently she did >>> an episode of "Charmed" very early in her career that I had forgotten
    about! (and later did an episode of "Smallville", in a fat suit!!) - so
    I must have seen her back then.
       Adams is so young here that she's almost kind of unrecognizable.

    Only around 25 when she did this.

    That's a lot older than I would have guessed... [checking] Yeah, wow - I
    didn't realize that Adams is only 3 and 1/2 years younger than I am! So
    she just turned 50 - I figured she was only in her mid-40s.

    The
    other thing that amazes me is that Amy Adams is a multiple-Academy Award >>> nominee, but Sarah-Michelle Gellar *blows Adams away* in this role. And
    it just can't be chalked up to the writing or "the character is younger" >>> here - Adams just isn't nearly as good at the role as Gellar.

    Agreed.

    Its not that Adams is "bad" here. It's just that she's playing a brat,
    and doesn't bring anything more to the take than that.

    Comparatively, Gellar *owned* this role.

    Interesting take. I looked it up over on Wikipedia and see that some
    reviewer had a very different take on her performance.

    "In Los Angeles, Adams auditioned for whatever parts came her way, but
    she was mostly given roles of "the bitchy girl".[14][19][20] Her first assignment came within a week of her relocation in the Fox television
    series Manchester Prep, a spin-off of the film Cruel Intentions, in
    the lead role of Kathryn Merteuil (played by Sarah Michelle Gellar in
    the film).[4] Following numerous script revisions and two production shutdowns, the series was canceled.[21] Adams later said a
    controversial scene in which her character encourages a girl to
    masturbate on a horse was the primary reason for its cancellation.[19]
    The three filmed episodes were re-edited and released later in 2000 as
    the direct-to-video film Cruel Intentions 2.[4] Despite a negative
    critical reception, Nathan Rabin of The A.V. Club wrote that Adams
    plays her "alpha-bitch role with vicious glee largely missing from
    Sarah Michelle Gellar's sterile take on the character".[22][23]"

    Well, here's the thing - even in the realm of "internet reviewers", I
    consider A.V. Club to be a *joke*, and have for years.

    So, if Variety had said this, I would just have to write it off as a bad
    take.

    But if A.V. Club says it, I can just dismissively laugh at them for once
    again getting absolutely everything wrong.

    Wow.. The next paragraph says that she was in PSYCHO BEACH PARTY
    which I watched because of Nicholas Brendon but enjoyed because of
    Lauren Ambrose. Don't remember Amy Adams from that movie so she
    clearly didn't make much of an impression on me back then.

    I still have never seen this, IIRC.

       Overall, this is fine, as long as it's tracking what the TV show
    filmed. But they must have tacked on the "twist" ending (I hope the TV
    series wasn't intending to end up in the same place!), and it doesn't
    work at all, IMO. (Movie/TV #1: You need to have somebody to "root for"
    - if you don't, you have nothing.)

    I wouldn't call it a "twist" ending. Like you said, it was tacked on.
    Had the series not been cancelled, the younger brother would have been
    the protagonist. I'm seeing the same thing play out in the new Amazon
    series. The new series has a very similar plot structure as the movie
    and the cancelled Fox series where the sister orders her step brother to
    help her in her latest evil scheme. The brother agrees to do it, but
    it's all under the sister's thumb. With the Fox series being cancelled,
    they had to link it to the movie where at the start of the movie he's
    going to do her bidding instead of challenging her.

    Eh... I still think "Cruel Intention 2's" ending is awful.

    So is Cruel Intentions 3 worth checking out before it leaves?

    I am about to find out - I'm watching this tonight before I go to bed. I remembering being incredibly underwhelmed by it when I saw it two
    decades ago... But I enjoyed the "Wild Things" direct-to-video sequels
    more than I was expecting, so I may be surprised.

    Wild Things: Foursome (Tubi) - The fourth, and final, "Wild Things"
    flick from 2010 (which I had never seen before, and indeed don't even
    think I even knew existed until maybe a decade later!).

    There's a fourth one?!?

    Yes - but if you think about it, there wasn't a fifth one. Draw your own conclusions!!

    Basically, the fourth one really only has Jillian Murray and John
    Schneider to recommend it. (Marnette Patterson is OK in it, but I can't
    say she adds anything special to it.) And the story and especially the
    ending are crappy.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to shawn on Thu Nov 28 17:52:04 2024
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    Thu, 28 Nov 2024 04:06:00 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

    . . .

    Wow.. The next paragraph says that she was in PSYCHO BEACH PARTY
    which I watched because of Nicholas Brendon but enjoyed because of
    Lauren Ambrose. Don't remember Amy Adams from that movie so she
    clearly didn't make much of an impression on me back then.

    I remember her. She lost her bikini bottoms.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0206226/mediaviewer/rm579075841/

    So I see
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0206226/mediaviewer/rm4169294593

    but to be honest it's hard to look at those images and see the Amy
    Adams we know from her other films. That blonde hair isn't working for
    her.

    It looked like a wig to me. You have to ignore it to see that it's her.

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