• [OT] Question about rules around appointments

    From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 19 12:23:53 2024
    I see that Trump is hoping to appoint at least two members of the House
    to posts in his government: Elise Stefanik as UN Ambassador and Matt
    Gaetz as Attorney-General. I know that Gaetz has already resigned his
    seat but haven't heard if Stefanik has too.

    Do House members have to resign their seats before they qualify for
    senior jobs like this? It seems odd to me that they would give up their
    seats prior to actually getting confirmed in the job. After all,
    Republican control of the House is very narrow. I'm assuming that
    special elections will be held to replace Stefanik and Gaetz and there
    seems like at least SOME risk that those seats could be lost to the
    Democrats, meaning that control of the House could be lost to the
    Democrats if enough of the not-fully-counted seats go their way.

    It would make more sense to me to nominate Gaetz and Stefanik but leave
    them in the House until their appointments are approved; if they are NOT approved, they'd still have their seats in the House rather than
    potentially losing them to the Dems.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From suzeeq@21:1/5 to Rhino on Tue Nov 19 09:30:33 2024
    On 11/19/2024 9:23 AM, Rhino wrote:
    I see that Trump is hoping to appoint at least two members of the House
    to posts in his government: Elise Stefanik as UN Ambassador and Matt
    Gaetz as Attorney-General. I know that Gaetz has already resigned his
    seat but haven't heard if Stefanik has too.

    Do House members have to resign their seats before they qualify for
    senior jobs like this? It seems odd to me that they would give up their
    seats prior to actually getting confirmed in the job. After all,
    Republican control of the House is very narrow. I'm assuming that
    special elections will be held to replace Stefanik and Gaetz and there
    seems like at least SOME risk that those seats could be lost to the Democrats, meaning that control of the House could be lost to the
    Democrats if enough of the not-fully-counted seats go their way.

    It would make more sense to me to nominate Gaetz and Stefanik but leave
    them in the House until their appointments are approved; if they are NOT approved, they'd still have their seats in the House rather than
    potentially losing them to the Dems.


    Gaetz resigned now because the House Ethics Committee was going to
    release its report on his misconduct last Friday. If he's not a member,
    they don't have a reason to release it. But several of the Senators are requesting them to release it because of his nomination.

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Tue Nov 19 12:35:04 2024
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 12:23:53 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I see that Trump is hoping to appoint at least two members of the House
    to posts in his government: Elise Stefanik as UN Ambassador and Matt
    Gaetz as Attorney-General. I know that Gaetz has already resigned his
    seat but haven't heard if Stefanik has too.

    Do House members have to resign their seats before they qualify for
    senior jobs like this? It seems odd to me that they would give up their
    seats prior to actually getting confirmed in the job. After all,
    Republican control of the House is very narrow. I'm assuming that
    special elections will be held to replace Stefanik and Gaetz and there
    seems like at least SOME risk that those seats could be lost to the >Democrats, meaning that control of the House could be lost to the
    Democrats if enough of the not-fully-counted seats go their way.

    Simple answer is no, House members don't have to resign just because
    they were nominated for a job in the Trump administration. It's
    speculated that Gaetz went ahead and resigned to hopefully keep the
    House investigation into the underage sex accusations against him
    under wraps. As to what happens with the empty seats I think it may
    depend on each states rules but typically the Governor of the state
    will nominate someone to hold the seat until there can be an election.
    I know there will be special elections held but I'm not sure if that's
    always the case or if the person selected by the Governor can hold the
    seat until the normal time for the seat to be up for re-election.

    As for the chance of the seats going to the Dems, I think that's at 0%
    chance as those two seats will be filled by Republican Governors and
    are in solidly Republican districts and so when the elections are held
    the voters are likely to choose a Republican.
    It would make more sense to me to nominate Gaetz and Stefanik but leave
    them in the House until their appointments are approved; if they are NOT >approved, they'd still have their seats in the House rather than
    potentially losing them to the Dems.

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  • From suzeeq@21:1/5 to shawn on Tue Nov 19 09:45:47 2024
    On 11/19/2024 9:35 AM, shawn wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 12:23:53 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I see that Trump is hoping to appoint at least two members of the House
    to posts in his government: Elise Stefanik as UN Ambassador and Matt
    Gaetz as Attorney-General. I know that Gaetz has already resigned his
    seat but haven't heard if Stefanik has too.

    Do House members have to resign their seats before they qualify for
    senior jobs like this? It seems odd to me that they would give up their
    seats prior to actually getting confirmed in the job. After all,
    Republican control of the House is very narrow. I'm assuming that
    special elections will be held to replace Stefanik and Gaetz and there
    seems like at least SOME risk that those seats could be lost to the
    Democrats, meaning that control of the House could be lost to the
    Democrats if enough of the not-fully-counted seats go their way.

    Simple answer is no, House members don't have to resign just because
    they were nominated for a job in the Trump administration. It's
    speculated that Gaetz went ahead and resigned to hopefully keep the
    House investigation into the underage sex accusations against him
    under wraps. As to what happens with the empty seats I think it may
    depend on each states rules but typically the Governor of the state
    will nominate someone to hold the seat until there can be an election.
    I know there will be special elections held but I'm not sure if that's
    always the case or if the person selected by the Governor can hold the
    seat until the normal time for the seat to be up for re-election. >
    As for the chance of the seats going to the Dems, I think that's at 0%
    chance as those two seats will be filled by Republican Governors and
    are in solidly Republican districts and so when the elections are held
    the voters are likely to choose a Republican.

    Doesn't NY have a D governor, or was she voted out?

    It would make more sense to me to nominate Gaetz and Stefanik but leave
    them in the House until their appointments are approved; if they are NOT
    approved, they'd still have their seats in the House rather than
    potentially losing them to the Dems.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Rhino on Tue Nov 19 18:32:47 2024
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I see that Trump is hoping to appoint at least two members of the House
    to posts in his government: Elise Stefanik as UN Ambassador and Matt
    Gaetz as Attorney-General. I know that Gaetz has already resigned his
    seat but haven't heard if Stefanik has too.

    Gaetz was re-elected. He resigned to thwart the House Ethics Committee
    from releasing its findings as they lack jurisdiction over former
    members of Congress.

    The term of the new Congress begins January 3. The president's term ends
    at noon on January 20, so there is overlap between the end of the
    presidential term and the start of the new Congress.

    We expect Gaetz and Stefanik to get sworn in into the new Congress. If confirmed, they must resign.

    Do House members have to resign their seats before they qualify for
    senior jobs like this?

    They aren't required to resign to be nominated and confirmed. They must
    resign in order to be sworn in to their executive office.

    It seems odd to me that they would give up their
    seats prior to actually getting confirmed in the job.

    With the tiny majority, they won't resign till the last moment. If there
    were a larger majority, they could resign earlier.

    . . .

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to shawn on Tue Nov 19 19:12:45 2024
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

    . . .

    Simple answer is no, House members don't have to resign just because
    they were nominated for a job in the Trump administration. It's
    speculated that Gaetz went ahead and resigned to hopefully keep the
    House investigation into the underage sex accusations against him
    under wraps. As to what happens with the empty seats I think it may
    depend on each states rules but typically the Governor of the state
    will nominate someone to hold the seat until there can be an election.
    I know there will be special elections held but I'm not sure if that's
    always the case or if the person selected by the Governor can hold the
    seat until the normal time for the seat to be up for re-election.

    In case of a House vacancy, there's no gubanatorial appointment. Instead there's a special election if there are enough days in the term.

    A Senate vacancy used to be filled by gubanatorial election till the end of term or until the next general election if more than two years remained. However, there was a federal court case that changed that requiring a
    special election under rules similar to a vacancy in the House.

    . . .

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Tue Nov 19 15:24:41 2024
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 19:12:45 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

    . . .

    Simple answer is no, House members don't have to resign just because
    they were nominated for a job in the Trump administration. It's
    speculated that Gaetz went ahead and resigned to hopefully keep the
    House investigation into the underage sex accusations against him
    under wraps. As to what happens with the empty seats I think it may
    depend on each states rules but typically the Governor of the state
    will nominate someone to hold the seat until there can be an election.
    I know there will be special elections held but I'm not sure if that's >>always the case or if the person selected by the Governor can hold the
    seat until the normal time for the seat to be up for re-election.

    In case of a House vacancy, there's no gubanatorial appointment. Instead >there's a special election if there are enough days in the term.

    A Senate vacancy used to be filled by gubanatorial election till the end of >term or until the next general election if more than two years remained. >However, there was a federal court case that changed that requiring a
    special election under rules similar to a vacancy in the House.

    It's something that doesn't come up often enough for me to remember
    anything other than the old Senate vacancy rule. Didn't know that it
    had changed so thanks for the update.

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to Rhino on Tue Nov 19 05:30:30 2024
    Rhino wrote wrote:

    I see that Trump is hoping to appoint at least two members of the House
    to posts in his government: Elise Stefanik as UN Ambassador and Matt
    Gaetz as Attorney-General. I know that Gaetz has already resigned his
    seat but haven't heard if Stefanik has too.

    Do House members have to resign their seats before they qualify for
    senior jobs like this? It seems odd to me that they would give up their
    seats prior to actually getting confirmed in the job. After all,
    Republican control of the House is very narrow. I'm assuming that
    special elections will be held to replace Stefanik and Gaetz and there
    seems like at least SOME risk that those seats could be lost to the >Democrats, meaning that control of the House could be lost to the
    Democrats if enough of the not-fully-counted seats go their way.

    It would make more sense to me to nominate Gaetz and Stefanik but leave
    them in the House until their appointments are approved; if they are NOT >approved, they'd still have their seats in the House rather than
    potentially losing them to the Dems.

    I'm not clear on the details, but Gaetz was giving his "two weeks notice", despite Democrat claims to the contrary.

    I am hoping Trump doesn't select too many Congressmen, resulting in loss of Republican control. It's bad enough that there are a bunch of RINO who are
    more than willing to sell us out.

    --
    Don't jump!

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