Guy walks up and gives his info but points out that it might not be correct as
they have no way of verifying it. He offers to show them his ID and they quickly say, "We'll take your word for it. It's California."
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1853183840447311873/vid/avc1/1080x1920/yw4PJDOT8z6ayOR_.mp4?tag=16
(Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't banned filming in polling places yet. The constant exposure of how ripe for corruption the entire system is has got to be driving them mad. On the other hand, nothing happens to them and nothing
changes, so maybe they don't care.)
For the fourth year in a row, I didn't receive my mail-in ballot. Normally, when I get to the poll, they say they'll cancel it, but this time I was told that it had already been used, that the system showed I'd already voted. I told them that was not true and that I'd never received my mail ballot. It's evident that the ballot was taken at some point and illegally used. I offered to show them my ID so they could verify my identity and they recoiled in horror as I started pulling out my DL, saying, "No, sir. We're not allowed to look at that." It was like they were vampires and I was about douse them with holy water by pulling out my ID.
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be counted.
So hopefully my signature hasn't changed much over the last 13 years or I've probably voted for Harris, Gascon, NO to the repeal of Prop 36, and YES on all
the tax increase propositions.
Guy walks up and gives his info but points out that it might not be correct as
they have no way of verifying it. He offers to show them his ID and they quickly say, "We'll take your word for it. It's California."
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1853183840447311873/vid/avc1/1080x1920/yw4PJDOT8z6ayOR_.mp4?tag=16
(Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't banned filming in polling places yet. The constant exposure of how ripe for corruption the entire system is has got to be driving them mad. On the other hand, nothing happens to them and nothing
changes, so maybe they don't care.)
For the fourth year in a row, I didn't receive my mail-in ballot. Normally, when I get to the poll, they say they'll cancel it, but this time I was told that it had already been used, that the system showed I'd already voted. I told them that was not true and that I'd never received my mail ballot. It's evident that the ballot was taken at some point and illegally used. I offered.
to show them my ID so they could verify my identity and they recoiled in horror as I started pulling out my DL, saying, "No, sir. We're not allowed to look at that." It was like they were vampires and I was about douse them with holy water by pulling out my ID.
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be counted.
So hopefully my signature hasn't changed much over the last 13 years or I've probably voted for Harris, Gascon, NO to the repeal of Prop 36, and YES on all
the tax increase propositions.
On 2024-11-04 12:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Guy walks up and gives his info but points out that it might not be correct asIt's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
they have no way of verifying it. He offers to show them his ID and they
quickly say, "We'll take your word for it. It's California."
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1853183840447311873/vid/avc1/1080x1920/yw4PJDOT8z6ayOR_.mp4?tag=16
(Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't banned filming in polling places yet. >> The constant exposure of how ripe for corruption the entire system is has got
to be driving them mad. On the other hand, nothing happens to them and nothing
changes, so maybe they don't care.)
For the fourth year in a row, I didn't receive my mail-in ballot. Normally, >> when I get to the poll, they say they'll cancel it, but this time I was told >> that it had already been used, that the system showed I'd already voted. I >> told them that was not true and that I'd never received my mail ballot. It's >> evident that the ballot was taken at some point and illegally used. I offered.
to show them my ID so they could verify my identity and they recoiled in
horror as I started pulling out my DL, saying, "No, sir. We're not allowed to
look at that." It was like they were vampires and I was about douse them with
holy water by pulling out my ID.
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would >> go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one >> they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be >> counted.
So hopefully my signature hasn't changed much over the last 13 years or I've >> probably voted for Harris, Gascon, NO to the repeal of Prop 36, and YES on all
the tax increase propositions.
your voting system. Ours is not a lot better. Ultimately, every system
seems to rely fundamentally on assuming that everyone is following all
the rules and, that even if there is some cheating, it's not enough to matter.
I see no reason that unscrupulous people couldn't have very large-scale cheating which would very definitely skew the results. That would cause non-winning candidates to get into office and unpopular propositions to
be approved, completely subverting the democratic process.
Why don't sensible people from all the parties get together and figure
out really good ways to make the system as incorruptible as it can be?
The only reason I can think of is that each of the major parties
recognizes that it could be the beneficiary of the laxness of the
procedures so it's reluctant to tighten them up.
But he reluctantly gave me his info, so I left without any further problems. >Still debating whether to follow through with my complaint or not.
Guy walks up and gives his info but points out that it might not be correct as >they have no way of verifying it. He offers to show them his ID and they >quickly say, "We'll take your word for it. It's California."
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1853183840447311873/vid/avc1/1080x1920/yw4PJDOT8z6ayOR_.mp4?tag=16
(Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't banned filming in polling places yet. >The constant exposure of how ripe for corruption the entire system is has got >to be driving them mad. On the other hand, nothing happens to them and nothing >changes, so maybe they don't care.)
For the fourth year in a row, I didn't receive my mail-in ballot. Normally, >when I get to the poll, they say they'll cancel it, but this time I was told >that it had already been used, that the system showed I'd already voted. I >told them that was not true and that I'd never received my mail ballot. It's >evident that the ballot was taken at some point and illegally used. I offered >to show them my ID so they could verify my identity and they recoiled in >horror as I started pulling out my DL, saying, "No, sir. We're not allowed to >look at that." It was like they were vampires and I was about douse them with >holy water by pulling out my ID.
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would >go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one >they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be >counted.
So hopefully my signature hasn't changed much over the last 13 years or I've >probably voted for Harris, Gascon, NO to the repeal of Prop 36, and YES on all >the tax increase propositions.
Dammit, I hit send before I typed the second part of my voting adventure.
Before I left to go vote today, I threw on a ballcap because I hadn't showered >yet and my hair was a mess. I got there, walked in, and was immediately met >with a thin pasty little guy scurrying up to me, very worked up. He told me >that electioneering is not allowed inside a polling place. I had no idea what >he was talking about. He pointed to my hat and said that's not allowed. I took >it off just to check, and sure enough, it was my Tampa Bay Bucs hat. Nothing >political about it.
For reference, this is the hat in question:
https://ibb.co/4tTjt8B
I pointed out it was just an NFL team hat and not anything that could be >remotely considered 'electioneering'.
HIM: But it's red.
ME: So?
HIM: So red is the color of the Republican Party and it looks similar to a >Trump hat.
ME: You've got to be kidding me.
HIM: No, sir. You're going to have remove the hat from the polling place >before you can vote.
One wonders if I'd shown up in a red t-shirt if I'd have been forced to vote >topless. So I went back to the car and tossed the hat in the back, and then >noticed I had a Dodger's cap back there from when the girlfriend and I went to >a game a few weeks ago, so I put that on.
For reference, this is the new hat:
https://ibb.co/fCLmzPC
I went back inside and had no issues at all (other than the provisional ballot >nonsense).
On the way out, I went over to the poll boss and asked for his name and >whatever employee ID number he had because I wanted to file an official >complaint with the Secretary of State for voter discrimination. He seemed >shocked and I pointed to my hat.
ME: You told me I couldn't have a red hat on in the polling place because >that's the color of Republicans but when I returned with a blue hat on-- the >color of Democrats-- you failed to enforce your own ridiculous rule. You're >clearly operating here with a bias toward one political party over another.
He sputtered and stumbled and then literally said what every leftist says when >caught in a double-standard: "That's different!"
But he reluctantly gave me his info, so I left without any further problems. >Still debating whether to follow through with my complaint or not.
On Nov 4, 2024 at 9:48:31 AM PST, "BTR1701" <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Guy walks up and gives his info but points out that it might not be correct >> as
they have no way of verifying it. He offers to show them his ID and they
quickly say, "We'll take your word for it. It's California."
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1853183840447311873/vid/avc1/1080x1920/yw4PJDOT8z6ayOR_.mp4?tag=16
(Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't banned filming in polling places yet. >> The constant exposure of how ripe for corruption the entire system is has got
to be driving them mad. On the other hand, nothing happens to them and
nothing
changes, so maybe they don't care.)
For the fourth year in a row, I didn't receive my mail-in ballot. Normally, >> when I get to the poll, they say they'll cancel it, but this time I was told >> that it had already been used, that the system showed I'd already voted. I >> told them that was not true and that I'd never received my mail ballot. It's >> evident that the ballot was taken at some point and illegally used. I offered
to show them my ID so they could verify my identity and they recoiled in
horror as I started pulling out my DL, saying, "No, sir. We're not allowed to
look at that." It was like they were vampires and I was about douse them with
holy water by pulling out my ID.
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would >> go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one >> they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be >> counted.
So hopefully my signature hasn't changed much over the last 13 years or I've >> probably voted for Harris, Gascon, NO to the repeal of Prop 36, and YES on >> all
the tax increase propositions.
Dammit, I hit send before I typed the second part of my voting adventure.
Before I left to go vote today, I threw on a ballcap because I hadn't showered
yet and my hair was a mess. I got there, walked in, and was immediately met with a thin pasty little guy scurrying up to me, very worked up. He told me that electioneering is not allowed inside a polling place. I had no idea what he was talking about. He pointed to my hat and said that's not allowed. I took
it off just to check, and sure enough, it was my Tampa Bay Bucs hat. Nothing political about it.
For reference, this is the hat in question:
https://ibb.co/4tTjt8B
I pointed out it was just an NFL team hat and not anything that could be remotely considered 'electioneering'.
HIM: But it's red.
ME: So?
HIM: So red is the color of the Republican Party and it looks similar to a Trump hat.
ME: You've got to be kidding me.
HIM: No, sir. You're going to have remove the hat from the polling place before you can vote.
One wonders if I'd shown up in a red t-shirt if I'd have been forced to vote topless. So I went back to the car and tossed the hat in the back, and then noticed I had a Dodger's cap back there from when the girlfriend and I went to
a game a few weeks ago, so I put that on.
For reference, this is the new hat:
https://ibb.co/fCLmzPC
I went back inside and had no issues at all (other than the provisional ballot
nonsense).
On the way out, I went over to the poll boss and asked for his name and whatever employee ID number he had because I wanted to file an official complaint with the Secretary of State for voter discrimination. He seemed shocked and I pointed to my hat.
ME: You told me I couldn't have a red hat on in the polling place because that's the color of Republicans but when I returned with a blue hat on-- the color of Democrats-- you failed to enforce your own ridiculous rule. You're clearly operating here with a bias toward one political party over another.
He sputtered and stumbled and then literally said what every leftist says when
caught in a double-standard: "That's different!"
But he reluctantly gave me his info, so I left without any further problems. Still debating whether to follow through with my complaint or not.
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
. . .
It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. . . .
100s of thousands of people would have to conspire to impersonate
legitimate voters at the polls to flip a close race, and every
conspirator would have to keep his mouth shut.
How would that work? It's not easy to do at all.
Why don't sensible people from all the parties get together and figure
out really good ways to make the system as incorruptible as it can be?
. . .
It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. . . .
Guy walks up and gives his info but points out that it might not be correct as >they have no way of verifying it. He offers to show them his ID and they >quickly say, "We'll take your word for it. It's California."
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1853183840447311873/vid/avc1/1080x1920/yw4PJDOT8z6ayOR_.mp4?tag=16
(Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't banned filming in polling places yet. >The constant exposure of how ripe for corruption the entire system is has got >to be driving them mad. On the other hand, nothing happens to them and nothing >changes, so maybe they don't care.)
For the fourth year in a row, I didn't receive my mail-in ballot. Normally, >when I get to the poll, they say they'll cancel it, but this time I was told >that it had already been used, that the system showed I'd already voted. I >told them that was not true and that I'd never received my mail ballot. It's >evident that the ballot was taken at some point and illegally used. I offered >to show them my ID so they could verify my identity and they recoiled in >horror as I started pulling out my DL, saying, "No, sir. We're not allowed to >look at that." It was like they were vampires and I was about douse them with >holy water by pulling out my ID.
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would >go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one >they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be >counted.
So hopefully my signature hasn't changed much over the last 13 years or I've >probably voted for Harris, Gascon, NO to the repeal of Prop 36, and YES on all >the tax increase propositions.
On Nov 4, 2024 at 9:48:31 AM PST, "BTR1701" <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Dammit, I hit send before I typed the second part of my voting adventure.
Before I left to go vote today, I threw on a ballcap because I hadn't showered >yet and my hair was a mess. I got there, walked in, and was immediately met >with a thin pasty little guy scurrying up to me, very worked up. He told me >that electioneering is not allowed inside a polling place. I had no idea what >he was talking about. He pointed to my hat and said that's not allowed. I took >it off just to check, and sure enough, it was my Tampa Bay Bucs hat. Nothing >political about it.
For reference, this is the hat in question:
https://ibb.co/4tTjt8B
I pointed out it was just an NFL team hat and not anything that could be >remotely considered 'electioneering'.
HIM: But it's red.
ME: So?
HIM: So red is the color of the Republican Party and it looks similar to a >Trump hat.
ME: You've got to be kidding me.
HIM: No, sir. You're going to have remove the hat from the polling place >before you can vote.
One wonders if I'd shown up in a red t-shirt if I'd have been forced to vote >topless. So I went back to the car and tossed the hat in the back, and then >noticed I had a Dodger's cap back there from when the girlfriend and I went to >a game a few weeks ago, so I put that on.
For reference, this is the new hat:
https://ibb.co/fCLmzPC
I went back inside and had no issues at all (other than the provisional ballot >nonsense).
On the way out, I went over to the poll boss and asked for his name and >whatever employee ID number he had because I wanted to file an official >complaint with the Secretary of State for voter discrimination. He seemed >shocked and I pointed to my hat.
ME: You told me I couldn't have a red hat on in the polling place because >that's the color of Republicans but when I returned with a blue hat on-- the >color of Democrats-- you failed to enforce your own ridiculous rule. You're >clearly operating here with a bias toward one political party over another.
He sputtered and stumbled and then literally said what every leftist says when >caught in a double-standard: "That's different!"
But he reluctantly gave me his info, so I left without any further problems. >Still debating whether to follow through with my complaint or not.
On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 17:48:31 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
Guy walks up and gives his info but points out that it might not be correct >> as
they have no way of verifying it. He offers to show them his ID and they
quickly say, "We'll take your word for it. It's California."
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1853183840447311873/vid/avc1/1080x1920/yw4PJDOT8z6ayOR_.mp4?tag=16
(Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't banned filming in polling places yet. >> The constant exposure of how ripe for corruption the entire system is has got
to be driving them mad. On the other hand, nothing happens to them and
nothing
changes, so maybe they don't care.)
For the fourth year in a row, I didn't receive my mail-in ballot. Normally, >> when I get to the poll, they say they'll cancel it, but this time I was told >> that it had already been used, that the system showed I'd already voted. I >> told them that was not true and that I'd never received my mail ballot. It's >> evident that the ballot was taken at some point and illegally used. I offered
to show them my ID so they could verify my identity and they recoiled in
horror as I started pulling out my DL, saying, "No, sir. We're not allowed to
look at that." It was like they were vampires and I was about douse them with
holy water by pulling out my ID.
Hmm, someone is playing with fire if they actually stole your ballot
and cast votes as you. Though I'm not sure how they would be caught
if they aren't ever checking ID.
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would >> go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one >> they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be >> counted.
So hopefully my signature hasn't changed much over the last 13 years or I've >> probably voted for Harris, Gascon, NO to the repeal of Prop 36, and YES on >> all
the tax increase propositions.
I hate signature matching because my signature seems to mutate on a
regular basis. I'm not just talking about when trying to sign on real
paper versus those glass tablets. I'm not sure why it varies but it
does so if someone tried to match my signature it might not do so.
Guy walks up and gives his info but points out that it might not be correct as
they have no way of verifying it. He offers to show them his ID and they quickly say, "We'll take your word for it. It's California."
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1853183840447311873/vid/avc1/1080x1920/yw4PJDOT8z6ayOR_.mp4?tag=16
(Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't banned filming in polling places yet. The constant exposure of how ripe for corruption the entire system is has got to be driving them mad. On the other hand, nothing happens to them and nothing
changes, so maybe they don't care.)
For the fourth year in a row, I didn't receive my mail-in ballot.
when I get to the poll, they say they'll cancel it, but this time I was told that it had already been used, that the system showed I'd already voted. I told them that was not true and that I'd never received my mail ballot. It's evident that the ballot was taken at some point and illegally used. I offered to show them my ID so they could verify my identity and they recoiled in horror as I started pulling out my DL, saying, "No, sir. We're not allowed to look at that." It was like they were vampires and I was about douse them with holy water by pulling out my ID.
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be counted.
So hopefully my signature hasn't changed much over the last 13 years or I've probably voted for Harris, Gascon, NO to the repeal of Prop 36, and YES on all
the tax increase propositions.
On 11/4/2024 12:43 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
. . .
It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. . . .
100s of thousands of people would have to conspire to impersonate
legitimate voters at the polls to flip a close race, and every
conspirator would have to keep his mouth shut.
How would that work? It's not easy to do at all.
Any instances of fraudulent voting have been in the dozens.... across
the entire country. There's no widespread fraud in our system at all.
In article <vgb3vq$112ec$8@dont-email.me>, atropos@mac.com wrote:
But he reluctantly gave me his info, so I left without any further problems. >> Still debating whether to follow through with my complaint or not.
DO IT!
--
When we cheat, we win!
DNC 2024
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-11-04 12:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Guy walks up and gives his info but points out that it might not be correct asIt's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
they have no way of verifying it. He offers to show them his ID and they >>> quickly say, "We'll take your word for it. It's California."
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1853183840447311873/vid/avc1/1080x1920/yw4PJDOT8z6ayOR_.mp4?tag=16
(Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't banned filming in polling places yet. >>> The constant exposure of how ripe for corruption the entire system is has got
to be driving them mad. On the other hand, nothing happens to them and nothing
changes, so maybe they don't care.)
For the fourth year in a row, I didn't receive my mail-in ballot. Normally, >>> when I get to the poll, they say they'll cancel it, but this time I was told
that it had already been used, that the system showed I'd already voted. I >>> told them that was not true and that I'd never received my mail ballot. It's
evident that the ballot was taken at some point and illegally used. I offered.
to show them my ID so they could verify my identity and they recoiled in >>> horror as I started pulling out my DL, saying, "No, sir. We're not allowed to
look at that." It was like they were vampires and I was about douse them with
holy water by pulling out my ID.
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would
go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one >>> they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be >>> counted.
So hopefully my signature hasn't changed much over the last 13 years or I've
probably voted for Harris, Gascon, NO to the repeal of Prop 36, and YES on all
the tax increase propositions.
your voting system. Ours is not a lot better. Ultimately, every system
seems to rely fundamentally on assuming that everyone is following all
the rules and, that even if there is some cheating, it's not enough to
matter.
I see no reason that unscrupulous people couldn't have very large-scale
cheating which would very definitely skew the results. That would cause
non-winning candidates to get into office and unpopular propositions to
be approved, completely subverting the democratic process.
Why don't sensible people from all the parties get together and figure
out really good ways to make the system as incorruptible as it can be?
The only reason I can think of is that each of the major parties
recognizes that it could be the beneficiary of the laxness of the
procedures so it's reluctant to tighten them up.
Voting is the one area in life where we're expected to wait until a problem happens before taking any preventative steps to keep it from happening in
the first place.
I lock my doors even though I've never been burglarized.
I back up my computer data even though my computer has never irretrievably crashed.
But with voting it's apparently enough to say "There hasn't been a problem yet, so there's no need to do anything to prevent one.
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
. . .
It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. . . .
100s of thousands of people would have to conspire to impersonate
legitimate voters at the polls to flip a close race, and every
conspirator would have to keep his mouth shut.
How would that work? It's not easy to do at all.
On Nov 4, 2024 at 1:24:15 PM PST, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 17:48:31 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
Guy walks up and gives his info but points out that it might not be correct >>> as
they have no way of verifying it. He offers to show them his ID and they >>> quickly say, "We'll take your word for it. It's California."
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1853183840447311873/vid/avc1/1080x1920/yw4PJDOT8z6ayOR_.mp4?tag=16
(Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't banned filming in polling places yet. >>> The constant exposure of how ripe for corruption the entire system is has got
to be driving them mad. On the other hand, nothing happens to them and
nothing
changes, so maybe they don't care.)
For the fourth year in a row, I didn't receive my mail-in ballot. Normally, >>> when I get to the poll, they say they'll cancel it, but this time I was told
that it had already been used, that the system showed I'd already voted. I >>> told them that was not true and that I'd never received my mail ballot. It's
evident that the ballot was taken at some point and illegally used. I offered
to show them my ID so they could verify my identity and they recoiled in >>> horror as I started pulling out my DL, saying, "No, sir. We're not allowed to
look at that." It was like they were vampires and I was about douse them with
holy water by pulling out my ID.
Hmm, someone is playing with fire if they actually stole your ballot
and cast votes as you. Though I'm not sure how they would be caught
if they aren't ever checking ID.
Ding-ding-ding-ding!
The man is a winner! Give him a prize.
ID is required for almost everything in life. I had to show my ID yesterday just to drop off some old computers at the electronics recycling depot. Hell, the Dems require ID to get into their political events. But asking for ID to do something they constantly tout as "the most important duty in our democracy"? Nope. No ID necessary.
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would
go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one >>> they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be >>> counted.
So hopefully my signature hasn't changed much over the last 13 years or I've
probably voted for Harris, Gascon, NO to the repeal of Prop 36, and YES on >>> all
the tax increase propositions.
I hate signature matching because my signature seems to mutate on a
regular basis. I'm not just talking about when trying to sign on real
paper versus those glass tablets. I'm not sure why it varies but it
does so if someone tried to match my signature it might not do so.
Yeah, that's another monkey in the wrench that I forgot to mention: they have you sign your name for signature matching on the equivalent of an iPad screen.
My signature with a pen on paper is VASTLY different than what appeared on screen when I try and do it with my fingernail on glass.
On 2024-11-04 3:43 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
. . .
It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. . . .
100s of thousands of people would have to conspire to impersonate
legitimate voters at the polls to flip a close race, and every
conspirator would have to keep his mouth shut.
How would that work? It's not easy to do at all.
As legend has it, JFK's father, Joe Kennedy, bought his election
victory. If I remember right, most of the critical votes came from the Chicago area. Tell me again how it is impossible to cheat your way into
a victory.
The way I heard the story, Joe Kennedy told whoever fixed it that he
wasn't after a landslide, just enough votes for a clear victory. He supposedly paid just a few dollars per vote if I remember correctly.
On 2024-11-04 3:43 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
. . .
It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. . . .
100s of thousands of people would have to conspire to impersonate
legitimate voters at the polls to flip a close race, and every
conspirator would have to keep his mouth shut.
How would that work? It's not easy to do at all.
As legend has it, JFK's father, Joe Kennedy, bought his election
victory. If I remember right, most of the critical votes came from the >Chicago area. Tell me again how it is impossible to cheat your way into
a victory.
The way I heard the story, Joe Kennedy told whoever fixed it that he
wasn't after a landslide, just enough votes for a clear victory. He >supposedly paid just a few dollars per vote if I remember correctly.
Guy walks up and gives his info but points out that it might not be correct as >they have no way of verifying it. He offers to show them his ID and they >quickly say, "We'll take your word for it. It's California."
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1853183840447311873/vid/avc1/1080x1920/yw4PJDOT8z6ayOR_.mp4?tag=16
(Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't banned filming in polling places yet. >The constant exposure of how ripe for corruption the entire system is has got >to be driving them mad. On the other hand, nothing happens to them and nothing >changes, so maybe they don't care.)
For the fourth year in a row, I didn't receive my mail-in ballot. Normally, >when I get to the poll, they say they'll cancel it, but this time I was told >that it had already been used, that the system showed I'd already voted. I >told them that was not true and that I'd never received my mail ballot. It's >evident that the ballot was taken at some point and illegally used. I offered >to show them my ID so they could verify my identity and they recoiled in >horror as I started pulling out my DL, saying, "No, sir. We're not allowed to >look at that." It was like they were vampires and I was about douse them with >holy water by pulling out my ID.
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would >go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one >they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be >counted.
So hopefully my signature hasn't changed much over the last 13 years or I've >probably voted for Harris, Gascon, NO to the repeal of Prop 36, and YES on all >the tax increase propositions.
Guy walks up and gives his info but points out that it might not be correct as
they have no way of verifying it. He offers to show them his ID and they >>quickly say, "We'll take your word for it. It's California."
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1853183840447311873/vid/avc1/1080x1920/yw4PJDOT8z6ayOR_.mp4?tag=16
Oh, goody. His registration is correct but he's being a wiseass about >confirming. We show the voter his registration. He confirms it. While we
have no way of knowing if he's lying, his date of birth hasn't changed
since he registered.
I hate signature matching because my signature seems to mutate on a
regular basis. I'm not just talking about when trying to sign on real
paper versus those glass tablets. I'm not sure why it varies but it
does so if someone tried to match my signature it might not do so.
It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. . . .
100s of thousands of people would have to conspire to impersonate
legitimate voters at the polls to flip a close race, and every
conspirator would have to keep his mouth shut.
How would that work? It's not easy to do at all.
My signature isn't even consistent with pen and paper - the pen, the
paper, and the surface the paper is on all affect it - and my
finger-signed signature doesn't even *resemble* one made with pen. For
my money, a finger-signed signature should not be considered acceptable.
I know that's inconvenient as hell to the organizations needing the
signature but if you can't make a signature resembling what you'd get
from a pen, you're already invalidating the concept of a signature as an >identity-verifying technique.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Before I left to go vote today, I threw on a ballcap because I hadn't showered
yet and my hair was a mess. I got there, walked in, and was immediately met >>with a thin pasty little guy scurrying up to me, very worked up. He told me >>that electioneering is not allowed inside a polling place. I had no idea what >>he was talking about. He pointed to my hat and said that's not allowed. I took
it off just to check, and sure enough, it was my Tampa Bay Bucs hat. Nothing >>political about it.
For reference, this is the hat in question:
https://ibb.co/4tTjt8B
I pointed out it was just an NFL team hat and not anything that could be >>remotely considered 'electioneering'.
HIM: But it's red.
I'm not surprised. I have a red cap that I got long ago at a Time
Warner Full Service Network event that I wear on occasion. While no
one has approached me about it, I have had those same thoughts of will >someone think I'm supporting Trump because it's red. Not surprised to
hear someone actually did that in real life.
On 11/4/2024 12:43 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. . . .
100s of thousands of people would have to conspire to impersonate
legitimate voters at the polls to flip a close race, and every
conspirator would have to keep his mouth shut.
How would that work? It's not easy to do at all.
Any instances of fraudulent voting have been in the dozens.... across
the entire country. There's no widespread fraud in our system at all.
suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
Any instances of fraudulent voting have been in the dozens.... across
the entire country. There's no widespread fraud in our system at all.
Hee hee hee
You're funny
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would >> go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one >> they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be >> counted.
You're a lawyer. File a sworn affidavit with the county clerk that you
did not receive nor cast the mail-in ballot and that you demand that
your in-person ballot be cast. Send it by certified mail.
I'm not a lawyer and that's what I'd do.
Nov 4, 2024 at 12:37:20 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would >>>go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one >>>they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be >>>counted.
You're a lawyer. File a sworn affidavit with the county clerk that you
did not receive nor cast the mail-in ballot and that you demand that
your in-person ballot be cast. Send it by certified mail.
I'm not a lawyer and that's what I'd do.
FYI - I just got a notification that my provisional ballot was counted
and the mail-in ballot canceled. I guess my signature must have
matched.
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