I was really impressed with Konstantin Kisin's newest video which packs
a LOT of insight into social problems in just 6 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsLIP1ScHUg
A lot of the biggest problems we face can be much better understood
after viewing this video. Many of the comments are also excellent.
On 10/15/2024 1:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
I was really impressed with Konstantin Kisin's newest video which packs
a LOT of insight into social problems in just 6 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsLIP1ScHUg
A lot of the biggest problems we face can be much better understood
after viewing this video. Many of the comments are also excellent.
"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and
eventually degenerates into a racket" Eric Hoffer.
Kisin recounts the 'cobra effect' persuasively. But "good intentions"
are still better than bad ones, and often they're all we have to go by.
On 10/15/2024 1:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
I was really impressed with Konstantin Kisin's newest video which
packs a LOT of insight into social problems in just 6 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsLIP1ScHUg
A lot of the biggest problems we face can be much better understood
after viewing this video. Many of the comments are also excellent.
"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket" Eric Hoffer.
Kisin recounts the 'cobra effect' persuasively. But "good intentions"
are still better than bad ones, and often they're all we have to go by.
On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 14:46:20 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 10/15/2024 1:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
I was really impressed with Konstantin Kisin's newest video which packs
a LOT of insight into social problems in just 6 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsLIP1ScHUg
A lot of the biggest problems we face can be much better understood
after viewing this video. Many of the comments are also excellent.
"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and
eventually degenerates into a racket" Eric Hoffer.
Kisin recounts the 'cobra effect' persuasively. But "good intentions"
are still better than bad ones, and often they're all we have to go by.
There's nothing wrong with good intentions. Sometimes it will create
new problems or make an existing problem worse but often it actually
leads to things being better.
Tue, 15 Oct 2024 14:46:20 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>:
10/15/2024 1:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
I was really impressed with Konstantin Kisin's newest video which packs
a LOT of insight into social problems in just 6 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsLIP1ScHUg
A lot of the biggest problems we face can be much better understood
after viewing this video. Many of the comments are also excellent.
"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and >>eventually degenerates into a racket" Eric Hoffer.
Kisin recounts the 'cobra effect' persuasively. But "good intentions"
are still better than bad ones, and often they're all we have to go by.
There's nothing wrong with good intentions. Sometimes it will create
new problems or make an existing problem worse but often it actually
leads to things being better.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Tue, 15 Oct 2024 14:46:20 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>:
10/15/2024 1:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
I was really impressed with Konstantin Kisin's newest video which packs >>>> a LOT of insight into social problems in just 6 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsLIP1ScHUg
A lot of the biggest problems we face can be much better understood
after viewing this video. Many of the comments are also excellent.
"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and
eventually degenerates into a racket" Eric Hoffer.
Kisin recounts the 'cobra effect' persuasively. But "good intentions"
are still better than bad ones, and often they're all we have to go by.
There's nothing wrong with good intentions. Sometimes it will create
new problems or make an existing problem worse but often it actually
leads to things being better.
Hubris doesn't exist for either one of you?
"But I didn't mean to" is the child's excuse for having done the wrong
thing. The adult version is that because my intentions were good, I was therefore excused from contemplating unintended consequences.
On 2024-10-15 2:46 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 10/15/2024 1:33 PM, Rhino wrote:Read the comments. Lots of people there cite situations that they are intimately familiar with where good intentions caused very bad results.
I was really impressed with Konstantin Kisin's newest video which
packs a LOT of insight into social problems in just 6 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsLIP1ScHUg
A lot of the biggest problems we face can be much better understood
after viewing this video. Many of the comments are also excellent.
"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and
eventually degenerates into a racket" Eric Hoffer.
Kisin recounts the 'cobra effect' persuasively. But "good intentions"
are still better than bad ones, and often they're all we have to go by.
On 10/15/2024 4:39 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2024-10-15 2:46 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 10/15/2024 1:33 PM, Rhino wrote:Read the comments. Lots of people there cite situations that they are
I was really impressed with Konstantin Kisin's newest video which
packs a LOT of insight into social problems in just 6 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsLIP1ScHUg
A lot of the biggest problems we face can be much better understood
after viewing this video. Many of the comments are also excellent.
"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and
eventually degenerates into a racket" Eric Hoffer.
Kisin recounts the 'cobra effect' persuasively. But "good
intentions" are still better than bad ones, and often they're all we
have to go by.
intimately familiar with where good intentions caused very bad results.
Judge a person on his intentions, and a plan on its likely outcomes.
(What the 'cobra effect' illustrates is actually "Freakonomics"...)
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Tue, 15 Oct 2024 14:46:20 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>:
10/15/2024 1:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
I was really impressed with Konstantin Kisin's newest video which packs >>>>a LOT of insight into social problems in just 6 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsLIP1ScHUg
A lot of the biggest problems we face can be much better understood >>>>after viewing this video. Many of the comments are also excellent.
"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and >>>eventually degenerates into a racket" Eric Hoffer.
Kisin recounts the 'cobra effect' persuasively. But "good intentions" >>>are still better than bad ones, and often they're all we have to go by.
There's nothing wrong with good intentions. Sometimes it will create
new problems or make an existing problem worse but often it actually
leads to things being better.
Hubris doesn't exist for either one of you?
"But I didn't mean to" is the child's excuse for having done the wrong
thing. The adult version is that because my intentions were good, I was >therefore excused from contemplating unintended consequences.
Tue, 15 Oct 2024 20:37:22 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Tue, 15 Oct 2024 14:46:20 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>: >>>>10/15/2024 1:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
I was really impressed with Konstantin Kisin's newest video which packs >>>>>a LOT of insight into social problems in just 6 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsLIP1ScHUg
A lot of the biggest problems we face can be much better understood >>>>>after viewing this video. Many of the comments are also excellent.
"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and >>>>eventually degenerates into a racket" Eric Hoffer.
Kisin recounts the 'cobra effect' persuasively. But "good intentions" >>>>are still better than bad ones, and often they're all we have to go by.
There's nothing wrong with good intentions. Sometimes it will create
new problems or make an existing problem worse but often it actually >>>leads to things being better.
Hubris doesn't exist for either one of you?
"But I didn't mean to" is the child's excuse for having done the wrong >>thing. The adult version is that because my intentions were good, I was >>therefore excused from contemplating unintended consequences.
Not at all. That someone starts with the best of intentions but it
turns out badly doesn't excuse that person from being held accountable
for those results.
That doesn't mean people shouldn't try to do good things. They just
have to be aware that there can be bad consequences and try to take
that into account.
On 2024-10-15 5:09 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 10/15/2024 4:39 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2024-10-15 2:46 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 10/15/2024 1:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
I was really impressed with Konstantin Kisin's newest video which packs a LOT of insight into social problems in just 6 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsLIP1ScHUg
A lot of the biggest problems we face can be much better understood after viewing this video. Many of the comments are also excellent.
"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket" Eric Hoffer.
Kisin recounts the 'cobra effect' persuasively. But "goodRead the comments. Lots of people there cite situations that they are intimately familiar with where good intentions caused very bad results.
intentions" are still better than bad ones, and often they're all we have to go by.
Judge a person on his intentions, and a plan on its likely outcomes.
And that's why you're such a willing dupe of the "progressives".
Everything gets pitched so that it sounds like there are good intentions behind it and you, like so many of your peers, fail to look beyond that
to see if the intentions are GENUINELY good or just pretending to be
good. Then you can't be bothered to assess the likelihood of this
proposal actually working because you're completely oblivious to how
people really are versus how you think they ought to be. You rely on
wishful thinking to overcome any obstacles. When the proposal starts to flounder - as it almost inevitably does - you are gobsmacked and do the
only thing you can think of: double down. You throw more and more money
at it yet it keeps failing. You are BAFFLED because you can't understand
why it is failing since surely good intentions were sufficient so you
change the subject and try to solve new problems - or simply invent them
- so that you can once again virtue-signal. But you do it from the same principle - good intentions are enough - and your new solution fails
too. And so on, ad infinitum.
(What the 'cobra effect' illustrates is actually "Freakonomics"...)
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Tue, 15 Oct 2024 20:37:22 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Tue, 15 Oct 2024 14:46:20 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>:
10/15/2024 1:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
I was really impressed with Konstantin Kisin's newest video which packs >>>>>> a LOT of insight into social problems in just 6 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsLIP1ScHUg
A lot of the biggest problems we face can be much better understood >>>>>> after viewing this video. Many of the comments are also excellent.
"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and >>>>> eventually degenerates into a racket" Eric Hoffer.
Kisin recounts the 'cobra effect' persuasively. But "good intentions" >>>>> are still better than bad ones, and often they're all we have to go by.
There's nothing wrong with good intentions. Sometimes it will create
new problems or make an existing problem worse but often it actually
leads to things being better.
Hubris doesn't exist for either one of you?
"But I didn't mean to" is the child's excuse for having done the wrong
thing. The adult version is that because my intentions were good, I was
therefore excused from contemplating unintended consequences.
Not at all. That someone starts with the best of intentions but it
turns out badly doesn't excuse that person from being held accountable
for those results.
I must have missed all those who went to prison for centuries for
medical malpractice because doctors were precluded by the Church from learning anatomy. Or for eugenics. Or untreated syphillis in Tuskegee to learn how communicable diseases spread.
That doesn't mean people shouldn't try to do good things. They just
have to be aware that there can be bad consequences and try to take
that into account.
[Charlie to Emily] Well, you're a good woman. You've done the
morally right thing. God save us all from people who do the morally
right thing. It's always the rest of us who get broken in half.
-- The Americanization of Emily (1964) by Paddy Chayefsky
On 2024-10-15 5:09 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 10/15/2024 4:39 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2024-10-15 2:46 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 10/15/2024 1:33 PM, Rhino wrote:Read the comments. Lots of people there cite situations that they are
I was really impressed with Konstantin Kisin's newest video which
packs a LOT of insight into social problems in just 6 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsLIP1ScHUg
A lot of the biggest problems we face can be much better understood
after viewing this video. Many of the comments are also excellent.
"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and >>>> eventually degenerates into a racket" Eric Hoffer.
Kisin recounts the 'cobra effect' persuasively. But "good
intentions" are still better than bad ones, and often they're all we
have to go by.
intimately familiar with where good intentions caused very bad results.
Judge a person on his intentions, and a plan on its likely outcomes.
And that's why you're such a willing dupe of the "progressives".
Everything gets pitched so that it sounds like there are good intentions behind it and you, like so many of your peers, fail to look beyond that
to see if the intentions are GENUINELY good or just pretending to be
good. Then you can't be bothered to assess the likelihood of this
proposal actually working because you're completely oblivious to how
people really are versus how you think they ought to be. You rely on
wishful thinking to overcome any obstacles. When the proposal starts to flounder - as it almost inevitably does - you are gobsmacked and do the
only thing you can think of: double down. You throw more and more money
at it yet it keeps failing. You are BAFFLED because you can't understand
why it is failing since surely good intentions were sufficient so you
change the subject and try to solve new problems - or simply invent them
- so that you can once again virtue-signal. But you do it from the same principle - good intentions are enough - and your new solution fails
too. And so on, ad infinitum.
(What the 'cobra effect' illustrates is actually "Freakonomics"...)
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