• Harris won the debate and it wasn't close

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    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/11/harris-biden-debate-winner- takeaways-00178442


    Harris won the debate — and it wasn’t close



    Kamala Harris showed up — and then some.

    The vice president’s performance against Donald Trump, in which she
    repeatedly baited him and knocked him off balance, was a far cry from
    President Joe Biden’s disastrous June debate. And it gave Democrats the
    role reversal they had hoped for after their switch at the top of the
    ticket.

    The two candidates entered the debate deadlocked in the polls — and in a
    deeply polarized nation, the race is still likely to remain close. But
    voters got their first look at Harris going toe-to-toe with Trump, and
    she did more than hold her own.
    Key Moments from the Harris-Trump Debate | Politico Daily Briefing

    We asked five POLITICO campaign reporters and editors for their takeaways
    from the Harris-Trump debate:

    Who had the better night?

    Steve Shepard: All you have to do is check the sound levels on Trump’s microphone from the start of the debate to its end to see that Harris
    came out ahead. A debate that began with a question that should favor
    Trump — are Americans better off economically than they were four years
    ago — quickly turned against the former president. Even when the debate returned to the friendly terrain of immigration, Harris set a trap for
    Trump that had him talking about the size of crowds at his campaign
    rallies and fever-swamp tales of abducted pets in short order — and at an increasing volume that made it clear he knew things were not going his
    way.

    Elena Schneider: Harris won this debate. Her goals for it were clear:
    Draw a contrast with Trump by casting herself as the change candidate who
    could move voters into the future. Throughout the debate, Harris spoke
    directly into the camera, urging voters to “turn the page” on Trump. The
    former president, meanwhile, primarily focused on the litigating the
    past, including an extended back-and-forth over whether he won the 2020 election. (He did not.)
    Harris: 'Trump was fired by 81 million people'

    Adam Wren: Harris won — and it wasn’t close. She showed up as her
    prosecutorial self, effectively putting Trump in the witness stand
    throughout much of the debate. Democrats have to be downright giddy, particularly over her extended remarks on abortion — an issue she’s been talking about around the country since the fall of Roe. And it showed
    tonight.

    Eugene Daniels: I’m going to shock you here: Harris. And honestly, she
    probably had the best night of any of Trump’s debate opponents since he
    began running for president in 2015. The Harris team was clear she wanted
    to bait him to get him to react in a way that suburban voters would be
    turned off by. She did it first by invoking his rally crowd sizes, then
    his criminal charges, on the Central Park Five, and over and over again.
    She got in his head from then on.

    Democrats watching texted me that this is exactly the reason they wanted
    the switch from Biden to Harris: a candidate that could actually make the
    case against Trump.
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    Lisa Kashinsky: Another thing you can check besides the sound levels,
    Steve — what Trump’s allies are posting on X. Lots of claims of this
    being a “3 on 1” fight floating around. Trump and his backers went into
    this debate casting doubt on whether ABC’s moderators would treat him
    fairly. If they felt the debate was going his way, they wouldn’t still be saying that.

    How will the debate change the trajectory of the race?

    Shepard: This was a very close race before the debate, and it’s likely to
    be a close race a week from now. But Harris did clear an important bar. A disappointing debate performance threatened to reverse her standing after
    six weeks of momentum. That didn’t happen.

    Wren: Given how tonight went, I would be surprised if there’s another
    debate — even though the Harris campaign said afterward she is “ready for
    a second debate. Is Donald Trump?” Trump might want a mulligan, but it’s difficult to see how his advisers would want to go through something like
    that again.

    Daniels: Steve is right, the race is going to stay close until the very
    end. Harris went into this debate needing to prove that she could be unscripted, and she did that tonight. Does it change the election fully
    in her favor? Probably not. But it keeps people from running away from
    her.

    For Trump, everything he did tonight is what voters are probably used to
    for him, whether they like it or not. For the MAGA faithful, nothing
    changed. But I’m not sure he pulled anyone who was on the fence into his
    camp, which means they both have a lot more work to do.

    Kashinsky: Honestly, Taylor Swift endorsing Harris after the debate might
    do more to change the trajectory of this race than anything that happened during it.

    Schneider: Swift didn’t call Trump the Smallest Man Who Ever Lived, but
    she might as well have.

    What’s the one moment each candidate will regret, and what will we
    remember about this debate a year from now?

    Schneider: What might go viral? I’m already seeing the memes of Harris’
    facial expressions — a bemused smile, raised eyebrows, a hand under her
    chin — all over social media. Yes, Harris’ team was worried about the
    muted microphones, but they ultimately didn’t matter. Through body
    language, her decision to force a handshake with Trump and snippets of
    unmuted moments, Harris communicated all she needed about her opponent — underlining the moments when she baited him into his more off-the-rails comments.

    Trump’s team, I’m sure, will regret that the former president didn’t more forcefully link Harris to Biden in the first 30 minutes of the debate.
    Harris’ team, however, may wish she’d more effectively pushed back on her policy flip-flops, as one of her key vulnerabilities is swing voters
    seeing her as more liberal.
    Trump claims immigrants are eating cats and dogs during ABC debate

    Wren: I’ll remember Trump engaging in the debunked conspiracy of animal
    eating in Springfield, Ohio — a low water mark of this conspiracy laden
    era. It is objectively a falsehood, criticized as misleading and racist,
    that Haitian immigrants have been abducting and eating pets. Town
    officials say that is not the case. Even his own running mate, the junior senator from the state — appeared to at least partially back away from
    the fabrication earlier in the day.

    And while we’re talking about Vance: He had somewhat of a rough night,
    with Trump essentially conceding they had different views on abortion (“I didn’t discuss it with JD, in all fairness, and I don’t mind if he has a certain view...”) Vance’s team have gone to great lengths to smooth out
    some of his statements on abortion since his 2022 Ohio Senate bid.
    Former President Donald Trump speaks during a presidential debate.

    Former President Donald Trump speaks during the debate. | Saul Loeb/AFP
    via Getty Images

    Shepard: It’s hard to compare a head-to-head debate to the 10-candidate pile-ups that characterized the race for the Democratic nomination in
    2020. But this was clearly Harris’ best debate performance of her career, without any clear missteps.

    Meanwhile, one of Trump’s advantages in this race had been that voters
    didn’t see him as a riskier choice than Biden or Harris: Biden because of
    his age, and Harris because she was unproven. In the New York Times/Siena College poll this week, roughly equal percentages of likely voters (52
    percent for Harris and 54 percent for Trump) saw each candidate as a
    “risky choice.”

    But on a number of occasions — most notably citing television reports
    about the pet-eating immigrants allegedly overrunning a town in Ohio —
    Trump underlined some of the attributes that voters don’t like about him,
    as Harris cleared the bar of reasonableness.

    It’s hard to drink from a firehose, but Harris might regret leaving some
    of Trump’s more potent attack lines unanswered, particularly on
    inflation.

    Kashinsky: The abortion segment was brutal for Trump, and he only made it
    worse for himself by distancing himself from his own running mate. But if
    we’re talking about damaging sound bites: Trump saying he only has
    “concepts of a plan” on health care is one that Democrats can play on
    loop. In fact, they already are.

    Both candidates left some key opportunities on the table. Harris could
    have done more to address concerns about the policy positions she’s
    changed over the years. And Trump didn’t dig in on one of his key lines
    of attack — why Harris hasn’t done the things she’s promising during her
    three years as vice president — until the end of the night.

    Daniels: The abortion back-and-forth is going to play over and over again
    in ads and in news packages tomorrow morning. It was the first moment
    when the debate felt like one and you couldn’t find two candidates with
    more of a contrast on the issue. Harris, the lead on abortion for
    Democrats for years and Trump who got three Supreme Court picks who
    knocked down Roe.

    For Trump’s regrets: I agree with Adam. It was a strange conspiracy
    theory before the debate and it played out even stranger on the debate
    stage with Trump going back and forth with David Muir on whether
    immigrants are eating pets (there’s zero evidence this is happening.)

    I don’t know if she will regret it, but Harris still left some unanswered questions about positions she’s changed over the years. Trump brought it
    up over and over, she was asked directly about some of those from Linsey
    Davis and the folks who still have questions are left with “my values
    haven’t changed.”

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