• [OT] Canada inches closer to a federal election!

    From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 4 15:05:34 2024
    The key prop that has been holding up the Liberal government of Justin
    Trudeau is a "supply-and-confidence" agreement between the Liberals and
    the "progressive" NDP. The NDP, lead by Jagmeet Singh, agreed to vote
    along with the Liberals in any confidence motion provided the Liberals
    act on several of the NDP's "progressive" wish list. The deal was agreed
    in March 2022 and set to run out in June 2025 but either party was free
    to cancel it any time. Without this agreement, the Liberal minority
    government could have been defeated at any confidence motion if enough
    members of the other parties opposed the legislation at hand.

    Jagmeet Singh has announced that the deal is over, apparently effective immediately.

    This does NOT mean we are about to have an election! The Liberals
    previous minority government had no such agreement with another party
    yet it still managed to govern. For each bill, it found one or more of
    the other parties willing to back it to prevent a successful motion of confidence and preclude an election. Trudeau can - and presumably will -
    revert to this approach to try to get to the fixed election date in
    October 2025.

    However, if the opposition parties work together, they COULD potentially
    vote against the Liberals in a confidence motion and defeat it, thereby
    forcing an early election.

    The leader of the Conservative Party, Pierre Poilievre, is already
    challenging Singh to join him in such an effort. Whether that will
    happen is questionable - especially before Singh qualifies for his
    pension next spring - but at least it's POSSIBLE. Of course, they'd also require the support of all or most of the Bloc Quebecois, the other
    significant party in Parliament. That might not be easy.

    This may also increase the pressure on Trudeau from within the Liberal
    Party to step down so that they can choose a new leader. Trudeau has
    resisted previous calls to do that from within his party, claiming only
    he can "save Canada" from the Conservatives in his typical narcissistic
    way. Maybe this will be the straw that broke the camel's back and
    convinces him to move on to some other job. (I'm sure snowboard teachers
    are still needed somewhere; that and teaching drama are the only jobs on
    his resume before entering Parliament.)


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    Rhino

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Thu Sep 5 16:51:44 2024
    On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 15:05:34 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    The key prop that has been holding up the Liberal government of Justin >Trudeau is a "supply-and-confidence" agreement between the Liberals and
    the "progressive" NDP. The NDP, lead by Jagmeet Singh, agreed to vote
    along with the Liberals in any confidence motion provided the Liberals
    act on several of the NDP's "progressive" wish list. The deal was agreed
    in March 2022 and set to run out in June 2025 but either party was free
    to cancel it any time. Without this agreement, the Liberal minority >government could have been defeated at any confidence motion if enough >members of the other parties opposed the legislation at hand.

    Jagmeet Singh has announced that the deal is over, apparently effective >immediately.

    This does NOT mean we are about to have an election! The Liberals
    previous minority government had no such agreement with another party
    yet it still managed to govern. For each bill, it found one or more of
    the other parties willing to back it to prevent a successful motion of >confidence and preclude an election. Trudeau can - and presumably will - >revert to this approach to try to get to the fixed election date in
    October 2025.

    However, if the opposition parties work together, they COULD potentially
    vote against the Liberals in a confidence motion and defeat it, thereby >forcing an early election.

    The leader of the Conservative Party, Pierre Poilievre, is already >challenging Singh to join him in such an effort. Whether that will
    happen is questionable - especially before Singh qualifies for his
    pension next spring - but at least it's POSSIBLE. Of course, they'd also >require the support of all or most of the Bloc Quebecois, the other >significant party in Parliament. That might not be easy.

    This may also increase the pressure on Trudeau from within the Liberal
    Party to step down so that they can choose a new leader. Trudeau has
    resisted previous calls to do that from within his party, claiming only
    he can "save Canada" from the Conservatives in his typical narcissistic
    way. Maybe this will be the straw that broke the camel's back and
    convinces him to move on to some other job. (I'm sure snowboard teachers
    are still needed somewhere; that and teaching drama are the only jobs on
    his resume before entering Parliament.)

    While I agree with you the NDP war chest is close to flat broke and
    financially his party is in no position to fight an election. If >I<
    know that Poilievre surely does too.

    One thing for sure - the eventual Canadian election will be won or
    lost in the 416/905 area codes (translation: Toronto and more
    especially Metro Toronto - e.g. Toronto's burbs) nearly all of which
    were won by Justin last time but could easily flip nearly 100% but to
    whom?

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Fri Sep 6 14:29:54 2024
    On 2024-09-05 7:51 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 15:05:34 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    The key prop that has been holding up the Liberal government of Justin
    Trudeau is a "supply-and-confidence" agreement between the Liberals and
    the "progressive" NDP. The NDP, lead by Jagmeet Singh, agreed to vote
    along with the Liberals in any confidence motion provided the Liberals
    act on several of the NDP's "progressive" wish list. The deal was agreed
    in March 2022 and set to run out in June 2025 but either party was free
    to cancel it any time. Without this agreement, the Liberal minority
    government could have been defeated at any confidence motion if enough
    members of the other parties opposed the legislation at hand.

    Jagmeet Singh has announced that the deal is over, apparently effective
    immediately.

    This does NOT mean we are about to have an election! The Liberals
    previous minority government had no such agreement with another party
    yet it still managed to govern. For each bill, it found one or more of
    the other parties willing to back it to prevent a successful motion of
    confidence and preclude an election. Trudeau can - and presumably will -
    revert to this approach to try to get to the fixed election date in
    October 2025.

    However, if the opposition parties work together, they COULD potentially
    vote against the Liberals in a confidence motion and defeat it, thereby
    forcing an early election.

    The leader of the Conservative Party, Pierre Poilievre, is already
    challenging Singh to join him in such an effort. Whether that will
    happen is questionable - especially before Singh qualifies for his
    pension next spring - but at least it's POSSIBLE. Of course, they'd also
    require the support of all or most of the Bloc Quebecois, the other
    significant party in Parliament. That might not be easy.

    This may also increase the pressure on Trudeau from within the Liberal
    Party to step down so that they can choose a new leader. Trudeau has
    resisted previous calls to do that from within his party, claiming only
    he can "save Canada" from the Conservatives in his typical narcissistic
    way. Maybe this will be the straw that broke the camel's back and
    convinces him to move on to some other job. (I'm sure snowboard teachers
    are still needed somewhere; that and teaching drama are the only jobs on
    his resume before entering Parliament.)

    While I agree with you the NDP war chest is close to flat broke and financially his party is in no position to fight an election. If >I<
    know that Poilievre surely does too.

    One thing for sure - the eventual Canadian election will be won or
    lost in the 416/905 area codes (translation: Toronto and more
    especially Metro Toronto - e.g. Toronto's burbs) nearly all of which
    were won by Justin last time but could easily flip nearly 100% but to
    whom?

    The byelection in June flipped Toronto-St. Paul from a safe Liberal seat
    to a Conservative seat. That would seem to suggest a possible harbinger.
    But it might be a leap to assume that everyone will desert the Liberals
    for the Conservatives alone. The votes could split with the more diehard "progressives" voting Green, NDP, and Liberal and only ridings with
    large numbers of fiscal conservatives voting for Poilievre. [At the last federal election, Kitchener Center's incumbent Liberal was accused of
    sexual improprieties and he stepped down ("to clear his name") so voters
    chose the Green Party candidate to replace him.] The smaller cities like Kitchener-Waterloo, London, and other already have some NDP MPs where previously there were only Liberals or Conservatives.

    I'm hoping for a massive house-cleaning with very few Liberals (or NDP!)
    getting re-elected. They all propped up the current buffoon so they
    all deserve to be punished. Let them go into the wilderness for a few
    election cycles and try to find some sensible middle ground instead of embracing their current far Left platform.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Fri Sep 6 17:17:48 2024
    On Fri, 6 Sep 2024 14:29:54 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I'm hoping for a massive house-cleaning with very few Liberals (or NDP!)
    getting re-elected. They all propped up the current buffoon so they
    all deserve to be punished. Let them go into the wilderness for a few >election cycles and try to find some sensible middle ground instead of >embracing their current far Left platform.

    It would not seem to be a safe election for incumbents that's for
    sure.

    Now given my feelings about Justin Trudeau the election cannot come
    fast enough (and unlike the US Canada does not have fixed election
    dates) but as you know the consensus in Canada is that parties don't
    win elections, parties in power defeat themselves.

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