I've been away from the news for a few days so imagine my surprise to find out >that England is in the midst of a civil war.
Apparently, three children were brutally murdered by a migrant and the police >did nothing, so half the country erupted into mass riots, at which point the >British government called them all racist and said they had no legitimate >reason to be upset.
Oh for fuck's sake, shawn. Nobody throws acid in self defense. Nobody has >>>ever thrown acid in self defense. It's thrown IN THE FACE to disfigure >>>somebody, to mark somebody as a sinner who have been punishment. Same >>>comment about hammers not being used in self defense.
Um, perhaps it is possible to do self defense without acid.
Let's not equivocate: It's a violent attack.
On Aug 5, 2024 at 7:06:22 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Oh, and the cops (who are so overwhelmed they can't intervene against the >roving Muslim gangs) have somehow found the time and manpower to go >door-to-door looking for those 'likely' to have engaged in the initial >protests. Not sure how they determine someone who's likely to be protestor vs >someone who isn't. Maybe if you're white and flying the Union Jack on your >door, you're presumed to be a malcontent. That's not far off from how the Dept >of Homeland Security determines which Americans are 'domestic extremists' >these days.
On Aug 5, 2024 at 7:06:22 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
I've been away from the news for a few days so imagine my surprise to find >> out
that England is in the midst of a civil war.
Apparently, three children were brutally murdered by a migrant and the police
did nothing, so half the country erupted into mass riots, at which point the >> British government called them all racist and said they had no legitimate
reason to be upset.
The illegals are also throwing acid and hitting people with hammers in
counter-protest.
The police are overwhelmed.
The country is on fire.
Progress!
Oh, and the cops (who are so overwhelmed they can't intervene against the roving Muslim gangs) have somehow found the time and manpower to go door-to-door looking for those 'likely' to have engaged in the initial protests. Not sure how they determine someone who's likely to be protestor vs someone who isn't. Maybe if you're white and flying the Union Jack on your door, you're presumed to be a malcontent. That's not far off from how the Dept
of Homeland Security determines which Americans are 'domestic extremists' these days.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 03:51:21 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Tue, 06 Aug 2024 02:06:22 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>:
I've been away from the news for a few days so imagine my surprise to >>>>> find out that England is in the midst of a civil war.
Apparently, three children were brutally murdered by a migrant and the police
did nothing, so half the country erupted into mass riots, at which point the
British government called them all racist and said they had no legitimate >>>>> reason to be upset.
That is the lie that was being told to rile up the people against
immigrants. Even though the actual guy that did the attacks was
British born. He was born in Cardiff and was 17 years old. So he
wasn't a migrant even though that lie even got you to believe it.
The illegals are also throwing acid and hitting people with hammers in >>>>> counter-protest.
While I don't support violence from either side I'm not sure what the
Muslims and others are supposed to do when being attacked if the
police aren't there to shut it down other than defend themselves.
Oh for fuck's sake, shawn. Nobody throws acid in self defense. Nobody has >>> ever thrown acid in self defense. It's thrown IN THE FACE to disfigure
somebody, to mark somebody as a sinner who have been punishment. Same
comment about hammers not being used in self defense.
Um, perhaps it is possible to do self defense without acid. Nothing I
said suggests I support people using acid to attack others. Hell,
where would most people even get acid (other than vinegar)?
“Hey Siri, where can I buy acid“
Reply:
Every convenience store in town.
Pool supply stores
Hardware stores
Grocery stores
OK, this one surprises me. Amazon will sell me big jugs of hydrochloric
acid!
Walmart is offering me big bottles of sulfuric acid.
And that’s all before we get to the specialty stores and there are a lot of >them. And they’re offering free shipping.
ROn Tue, 06 Aug 2024 02:06:22 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
I've been away from the news for a few days so imagine my surprise to find out
that England is in the midst of a civil war.
Apparently, three children were brutally murdered by a migrant and the police >>did nothing, so half the country erupted into mass riots, at which point the >>British government called them all racist and said they had no legitimate >>reason to be upset.
Uh wait a minute - three dead kids is not a legitimate reason to be
upset?
Where were these killings? (I have a daughter living in Brighton)
I've been away from the news for a few days so imagine my surprise to find out
that England is in the midst of a civil war.
Apparently, three children were brutally murdered by a migrant and the police did nothing,
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 02:11:58 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Aug 5, 2024 at 7:06:22 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <atropos@mac.com> wrote:I was interested to see that there are YouTube channels that are not passively pumping out the official line of the new Prime Minister, Keir Starmer. In fact, this host was positively livid in criticizing
I've been away from the news for a few days so imagine my surprise
to find out
that England is in the midst of a civil war.
Apparently, three children were brutally murdered by a migrant and
the police did nothing, so half the country erupted into mass
riots, at which point the British government called them all racist
and said they had no legitimate reason to be upset.
The illegals are also throwing acid and hitting people with hammers
in counter-protest.
The police are overwhelmed.
The country is on fire.
Progress!
Oh, and the cops (who are so overwhelmed they can't intervene against
the roving Muslim gangs) have somehow found the time and manpower to
go door-to-door looking for those 'likely' to have engaged in the
initial protests. Not sure how they determine someone who's likely to
be protestor vs someone who isn't. Maybe if you're white and flying
the Union Jack on your door, you're presumed to be a malcontent.
That's not far off from how the Dept of Homeland Security determines
which Americans are 'domestic extremists' these days.
Starmer's approach to the trouble, going so far as to invite listeners
to call her a racist because she just didn't care any more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3XaIYx2hII [16 minutes]
And this guest on another show made some very good points about how
Starmer is completely missing the point and failing to address the
issues, like excessive immigration, that CAUSED the tensions in the
first place:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp-WzvICLZM [8 minutes]
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 02:06:22 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
I've been away from the news for a few days so imagine my surprise to find out
that England is in the midst of a civil war.
Apparently, three children were brutally murdered by a migrant and the police
did nothing, so half the country erupted into mass riots, at which point the >> British government called them all racist and said they had no legitimate
reason to be upset.
That is the lie that was being told to rile up the people against
immigrants. Even though the actual guy that did the attacks was
British born. He was born in Cardiff and was 17 years old. So he
wasn't a migrant even though that lie even got you to believe it.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 03:51:21 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Tue, 06 Aug 2024 02:06:22 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>:
I've been away from the news for a few days so imagine my surprise to >>>>> find out that England is in the midst of a civil war.
Apparently, three children were brutally murdered by a migrant and the police
did nothing, so half the country erupted into mass riots, at which point the
British government called them all racist and said they had no legitimate >>>>> reason to be upset.
That is the lie that was being told to rile up the people against
immigrants. Even though the actual guy that did the attacks was
British born. He was born in Cardiff and was 17 years old. So he
wasn't a migrant even though that lie even got you to believe it.
The illegals are also throwing acid and hitting people with hammers in >>>>> counter-protest.
While I don't support violence from either side I'm not sure what the
Muslims and others are supposed to do when being attacked if the
police aren't there to shut it down other than defend themselves.
Oh for fuck's sake, shawn. Nobody throws acid in self defense. Nobody has >>> ever thrown acid in self defense. It's thrown IN THE FACE to disfigure
somebody, to mark somebody as a sinner who have been punishment. Same
comment about hammers not being used in self defense.
Um, perhaps it is possible to do self defense without acid. Nothing I
said suggests I support people using acid to attack others. Hell,
where would most people even get acid (other than vinegar)? So some
people on both sides are going overboard and deserve to be sent to
prison. That doesn't mean that self defense isn't allowed.
The counter-protest isn't speech. It is violence.
What are the counter-protestors supposed to do? Speak! Make an argument! >>>
The police are overwhelmed.
The country is on fire.
Progress!
What about addressing the main point that is listed above. That this
entire mess started because of a lie about the perpetrator of the
original crime.
This entire mess started because their government (much like our own) has >been tolerating unchecked illegal immigration despite the population being >overwhelmingly against it and in many cases siding with the illegals over >their own citizens and protecting the culture of illegals over that of >British citizens.
I just cited the other day the copper I worked with in London who was
served a court order to stop flying his own country's flag on his own >flagpole on his own property because the court was more concerned about the >feelings and sensitivities of the local Muslim population than the rights
and culture of British citizens.
YouTube is full if clips where Muslim protests fill the streets, complete >with vandalism and hate speech and the police do nothing, but 10 white guys >show up waving the Union Jack in counter-protest and they're immediately >rounded up and charged with incitement.
There was even one famous clip of the cops being asked why they're only >enforcing the law against them and not the Muzlims and were told outright >that their orders from the top are Muslims and immigrants are hands-off. >Also, the cops said, there are too many of them and they get violent if you >try to arrest them.
So Brits have to stand by and watch their country turn into Syria, with
riots In the streets every time the local Muzlims don't get their way and >then watch the government cave to their demands every time, while they get >arrested just for pointing the situation out.
As I said, you can only push people so far.
Then because people were already on edge
I wonder why they were already on edge?
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 02:06:22 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
I've been away from the news for a few days so imagine my surprise to find out
that England is in the midst of a civil war.
Apparently, three children were brutally murdered by a migrant and the police
did nothing, so half the country erupted into mass riots, at which point the
British government called them all racist and said they had no legitimate >>> reason to be upset.
That is the lie that was being told to rile up the people against
immigrants. Even though the actual guy that did the attacks was
British born. He was born in Cardiff and was 17 years old. So he
wasn't a migrant even though that lie even got you to believe it.
We have plenty of people in East L.A. who were born here but fly the
Mexican flag on their house, have no interest in American traditions or >culture, and whose loyalties lie with Mexico.
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 11:39:09 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 02:06:22 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
I've been away from the news for a few days so imagine my surprise to find out
that England is in the midst of a civil war.
Apparently, three children were brutally murdered by a migrant and the police
did nothing, so half the country erupted into mass riots, at which point the
British government called them all racist and said they had no legitimate >>>> reason to be upset.
That is the lie that was being told to rile up the people against
immigrants. Even though the actual guy that did the attacks was
British born. He was born in Cardiff and was 17 years old. So he
wasn't a migrant even though that lie even got you to believe it.
We have plenty of people in East L.A. who were born here but fly the
Mexican flag on their house, have no interest in American traditions or
culture, and whose loyalties lie with Mexico.
Sure, we've had that here for decades though it is with Koreans. The
older people came here and joined an existing community where they
only speak Korean and all the local businesses have signage in Korean
(often only Korean.) It's strange to me to come to another country
and then only act like you were back in your home country. The good
thing is the kids do learn English and adapt to our culture. It is
just something that takes time to happen.
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 01:32:23 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
ROn Tue, 06 Aug 2024 02:06:22 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
I've been away from the news for a few days so imagine my surprise
to find out that England is in the midst of a civil war.
Apparently, three children were brutally murdered by a migrant and
the police did nothing, so half the country erupted into mass
riots, at which point the British government called them all racist
and said they had no legitimate reason to be upset.
Uh wait a minute - three dead kids is not a legitimate reason to be
upset?
Where were these killings? (I have a daughter living in Brighton)
The killings were in Southport by a 17 year old boy from Cardiff.
I'm not sure why anyone would say they did nothing given that he was
arrested and charged with murder of the three young girls.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/clashes-uks-southport-after-killing-three-girls-leaves-many-police-injured-2024-07-31/
On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 22:54:22 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 03:51:21 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Tue, 06 Aug 2024 02:06:22 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>:
I've been away from the news for a few days so imagine my surprise to >>>>>> find out that England is in the midst of a civil war.
Apparently, three children were brutally murdered by a migrant and the police
did nothing, so half the country erupted into mass riots, at which point the
British government called them all racist and said they had no legitimate
reason to be upset.
That is the lie that was being told to rile up the people against
immigrants. Even though the actual guy that did the attacks was
British born. He was born in Cardiff and was 17 years old. So he
wasn't a migrant even though that lie even got you to believe it.
The illegals are also throwing acid and hitting people with hammers in >>>>>> counter-protest.
While I don't support violence from either side I'm not sure what the >>>>> Muslims and others are supposed to do when being attacked if the
police aren't there to shut it down other than defend themselves.
Oh for fuck's sake, shawn. Nobody throws acid in self defense. Nobody has >>>> ever thrown acid in self defense. It's thrown IN THE FACE to disfigure >>>> somebody, to mark somebody as a sinner who have been punishment. Same
comment about hammers not being used in self defense.
Um, perhaps it is possible to do self defense without acid. Nothing I
said suggests I support people using acid to attack others. Hell,
where would most people even get acid (other than vinegar)?
“Hey Siri, where can I buy acid“
Reply:
Every convenience store in town.
Pool supply stores
Hardware stores
Grocery stores
OK, this one surprises me. Amazon will sell me big jugs of hydrochloric
acid!
Walmart is offering me big bottles of sulfuric acid.
And that’s all before we get to the specialty stores and there are a lot of
them. And they’re offering free shipping.
Color me surprised. I would have thought buying sulfuric or
hydrochloric acid would have required going to a chemical supply
house. Who knew that Amazon and Walmart had gotten into the business.
Wonder how many people take advantage of the relative availability of sulfuric acid and glycerin to try to make their own nitroglycerin. I
say try because it's not that simple and the likelihood of it blowing
up on you is high.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 22:54:22 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 03:51:21 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Tue, 06 Aug 2024 02:06:22 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>:
I've been away from the news for a few days so imagine my surprise to >>>>>>> find out that England is in the midst of a civil war.
Apparently, three children were brutally murdered by a migrant and the police
did nothing, so half the country erupted into mass riots, at which point the
British government called them all racist and said they had no legitimate
reason to be upset.
That is the lie that was being told to rile up the people against
immigrants. Even though the actual guy that did the attacks was
British born. He was born in Cardiff and was 17 years old. So he
wasn't a migrant even though that lie even got you to believe it.
The illegals are also throwing acid and hitting people with hammers in >>>>>>> counter-protest.
While I don't support violence from either side I'm not sure what the >>>>>> Muslims and others are supposed to do when being attacked if the
police aren't there to shut it down other than defend themselves.
Oh for fuck's sake, shawn. Nobody throws acid in self defense. Nobody has >>>>> ever thrown acid in self defense. It's thrown IN THE FACE to disfigure >>>>> somebody, to mark somebody as a sinner who have been punishment. Same >>>>> comment about hammers not being used in self defense.
Um, perhaps it is possible to do self defense without acid. Nothing I
said suggests I support people using acid to attack others. Hell,
where would most people even get acid (other than vinegar)?
“Hey Siri, where can I buy acid“
Reply:
Every convenience store in town.
Pool supply stores
Hardware stores
Grocery stores
OK, this one surprises me. Amazon will sell me big jugs of hydrochloric
acid!
Walmart is offering me big bottles of sulfuric acid.
And that’s all before we get to the specialty stores and there are a lot of
them. And they’re offering free shipping.
Color me surprised. I would have thought buying sulfuric or
hydrochloric acid would have required going to a chemical supply
house. Who knew that Amazon and Walmart had gotten into the business.
Wonder how many people take advantage of the relative availability of
sulfuric acid and glycerin to try to make their own nitroglycerin. I
say try because it's not that simple and the likelihood of it blowing
up on you is high.
I knew it wouldn’t be hard, but even I was surprised at just how easy it >was. Of course it’s probably not all in concentrations that would take half >your face off like Harvey Dent, but I bet most of it would blind somebody >easily enough.
There was even one famous clip of the cops being asked why they're only >enforcing the law against them and not the Muzlims and were told outright >that their orders from the top are Muslims and immigrants are hands-off. >Also, the cops said, there are too many of them and they get violent if you >try to arrest them.
So Brits have to stand by and watch their country turn into Syria, with
riots In the streets every time the local Muzlims don't get their way and >then watch the government cave to their demands every time, while they get >arrested just for pointing the situation out.
As I said, you can only push people so far.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 02:06:22 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
I've been away from the news for a few days so imagine my surprise to find out
that England is in the midst of a civil war.
Apparently, three children were brutally murdered by a migrant and the police
did nothing, so half the country erupted into mass riots, at which point the
British government called them all racist and said they had no legitimate >>> reason to be upset.
That is the lie that was being told to rile up the people against
immigrants. Even though the actual guy that did the attacks was
British born. He was born in Cardiff and was 17 years old. So he
wasn't a migrant even though that lie even got you to believe it.
We have plenty of people in East L.A. who were born here but fly the
Mexican flag on their house, have no interest in American traditions or culture, and whose loyalties lie with Mexico.
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 02:11:58 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Aug 5, 2024 at 7:06:22 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <atropos@mac.com> wrote:I was interested to see that there are YouTube channels that are not
I've been away from the news for a few days so imagine my surprise
to find out
that England is in the midst of a civil war.
Apparently, three children were brutally murdered by a migrant and
the police did nothing, so half the country erupted into mass
riots, at which point the British government called them all racist
and said they had no legitimate reason to be upset.
The illegals are also throwing acid and hitting people with hammers
in counter-protest.
The police are overwhelmed.
The country is on fire.
Progress!
Oh, and the cops (who are so overwhelmed they can't intervene against
the roving Muslim gangs) have somehow found the time and manpower to
go door-to-door looking for those 'likely' to have engaged in the
initial protests. Not sure how they determine someone who's likely to
be protestor vs someone who isn't. Maybe if you're white and flying
the Union Jack on your door, you're presumed to be a malcontent.
That's not far off from how the Dept of Homeland Security determines
which Americans are 'domestic extremists' these days.
passively pumping out the official line of the new Prime Minister, Keir
Starmer. In fact, this host was positively livid in criticizing
Starmer's approach to the trouble, going so far as to invite listeners
to call her a racist because she just didn't care any more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3XaIYx2hII [16 minutes]
And this guest on another show made some very good points about how
Starmer is completely missing the point and failing to address the
issues, like excessive immigration, that CAUSED the tensions in the
first place:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp-WzvICLZM [8 minutes]
Maybe we could redirect a little of that firehose of taxpayer cash going to Ukraine and spare a few million to airdrop some ARs to the British
loyalists.
British Government allied with illegal Muslim immigrants vs. Native British citizens.
People can only be pushed so far. Godspeed.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 03:51:21 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Tue, 06 Aug 2024 02:06:22 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>:
I've been away from the news for a few days so imagine my surprise to >>>>> find out that England is in the midst of a civil war.
Apparently, three children were brutally murdered by a migrant and the police
did nothing, so half the country erupted into mass riots, at which point the
British government called them all racist and said they had no legitimate >>>>> reason to be upset.
That is the lie that was being told to rile up the people against
immigrants. Even though the actual guy that did the attacks was
British born. He was born in Cardiff and was 17 years old. So he
wasn't a migrant even though that lie even got you to believe it.
The illegals are also throwing acid and hitting people with hammers in >>>>> counter-protest.
While I don't support violence from either side I'm not sure what the
Muslims and others are supposed to do when being attacked if the
police aren't there to shut it down other than defend themselves.
Oh for fuck's sake, shawn. Nobody throws acid in self defense. Nobody has >>> ever thrown acid in self defense. It's thrown IN THE FACE to disfigure
somebody, to mark somebody as a sinner who have been punishment. Same
comment about hammers not being used in self defense.
Um, perhaps it is possible to do self defense without acid. Nothing I
said suggests I support people using acid to attack others. Hell,
where would most people even get acid (other than vinegar)? So some
people on both sides are going overboard and deserve to be sent to
prison. That doesn't mean that self defense isn't allowed.
The counter-protest isn't speech. It is violence.
What are the counter-protestors supposed to do? Speak! Make an argument! >>>
The police are overwhelmed.
The country is on fire.
Progress!
What about addressing the main point that is listed above. That this
entire mess started because of a lie about the perpetrator of the
original crime.
This entire mess started because their government (much like our own) has been tolerating unchecked illegal immigration
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 11:39:10 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
What about addressing the main point that is listed above. That this
entire mess started because of a lie about the perpetrator of the
original crime.
This entire mess started because their government (much like our own) has
been tolerating unchecked illegal immigration despite the population being >> overwhelmingly against it and in many cases siding with the illegals over
their own citizens and protecting the culture of illegals over that of
British citizens.
I don't get why Britain is heading that way. Charging people with hate
speech for mis-gendering people is something that has happened there. Allowing the refugees/immigrants in is a decent thing to do but they
have to follow the rules that everyone else is following.
I just cited the other day the copper I worked with in London who was
served a court order to stop flying his own country's flag on his own
flagpole on his own property because the court was more concerned about the >> feelings and sensitivities of the local Muslim population than the rights
and culture of British citizens.
YouTube is full if clips where Muslim protests fill the streets, complete
with vandalism and hate speech and the police do nothing, but 10 white guys >> show up waving the Union Jack in counter-protest and they're immediately
rounded up and charged with incitement.
There was even one famous clip of the cops being asked why they're only
enforcing the law against them and not the Muzlims and were told outright
that their orders from the top are Muslims and immigrants are hands-off.
Also, the cops said, there are too many of them and they get violent if you >> try to arrest them.
That's a bad precedent with no real justification. If someone gets
violent if you try to arrest them then that's a good sign they should
be in jail. At least then they would have time to cool off.
On Aug 6, 2024 at 5:09:37 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >wrote:
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 11:39:10 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
What about addressing the main point that is listed above. That this
entire mess started because of a lie about the perpetrator of the
original crime.
This entire mess started because their government (much like our own) has >>> been tolerating unchecked illegal immigration despite the population being >>> overwhelmingly against it and in many cases siding with the illegals over >>> their own citizens and protecting the culture of illegals over that of
British citizens.
I don't get why Britain is heading that way. Charging people with hate
speech for mis-gendering people is something that has happened there.
Allowing the refugees/immigrants in is a decent thing to do but they
have to follow the rules that everyone else is following.
I just cited the other day the copper I worked with in London who was
served a court order to stop flying his own country's flag on his own
flagpole on his own property because the court was more concerned about the >>> feelings and sensitivities of the local Muslim population than the rights >>> and culture of British citizens.
YouTube is full if clips where Muslim protests fill the streets, complete >>> with vandalism and hate speech and the police do nothing, but 10 white guys >>> show up waving the Union Jack in counter-protest and they're immediately >>> rounded up and charged with incitement.
There was even one famous clip of the cops being asked why they're only
enforcing the law against them and not the Muzlims and were told outright >>> that their orders from the top are Muslims and immigrants are hands-off. >>> Also, the cops said, there are too many of them and they get violent if you >>> try to arrest them.
That's a bad precedent with no real justification. If someone gets
violent if you try to arrest them then that's a good sign they should
be in jail. At least then they would have time to cool off.
https://ibb.co/FV6x94h
On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 16:54:48 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Aug 6, 2024 at 5:09:37 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >> wrote:You have to admit that taking on option 3 is more likely to be the
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 11:39:10 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
What about addressing the main point that is listed above. That this >>>>> entire mess started because of a lie about the perpetrator of the
original crime.
This entire mess started because their government (much like our own) has >>>> been tolerating unchecked illegal immigration despite the population being >>>> overwhelmingly against it and in many cases siding with the illegals over >>>> their own citizens and protecting the culture of illegals over that of >>>> British citizens.
I don't get why Britain is heading that way. Charging people with hate
speech for mis-gendering people is something that has happened there.
Allowing the refugees/immigrants in is a decent thing to do but they
have to follow the rules that everyone else is following.
I just cited the other day the copper I worked with in London who was
served a court order to stop flying his own country's flag on his own
flagpole on his own property because the court was more concerned about the
feelings and sensitivities of the local Muslim population than the rights >>>> and culture of British citizens.
YouTube is full if clips where Muslim protests fill the streets, complete >>>> with vandalism and hate speech and the police do nothing, but 10 white guys
show up waving the Union Jack in counter-protest and they're immediately >>>> rounded up and charged with incitement.
There was even one famous clip of the cops being asked why they're only >>>> enforcing the law against them and not the Muzlims and were told outright >>>> that their orders from the top are Muslims and immigrants are hands-off. >>>> Also, the cops said, there are too many of them and they get violent if you
try to arrest them.
That's a bad precedent with no real justification. If someone gets
violent if you try to arrest them then that's a good sign they should
be in jail. At least then they would have time to cool off.
https://ibb.co/FV6x94h
safer option.
On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 16:54:48 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Aug 6, 2024 at 5:09:37 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 11:39:10 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
What about addressing the main point that is listed above. That this >>>>> entire mess started because of a lie about the perpetrator of the
original crime.
This entire mess started because their government (much like our own) has >>>> been tolerating unchecked illegal immigration despite the population being
overwhelmingly against it and in many cases siding with the illegals over >>>> their own citizens and protecting the culture of illegals over that of >>>> British citizens.
I don't get why Britain is heading that way. Charging people with hate
speech for mis-gendering people is something that has happened there.
Allowing the refugees/immigrants in is a decent thing to do but they
have to follow the rules that everyone else is following.
I just cited the other day the copper I worked with in London who was >>>> served a court order to stop flying his own country's flag on his own >>>> flagpole on his own property because the court was more concerned about the
feelings and sensitivities of the local Muslim population than the rights >>>> and culture of British citizens.
YouTube is full if clips where Muslim protests fill the streets, complete >>>> with vandalism and hate speech and the police do nothing, but 10 white guys
show up waving the Union Jack in counter-protest and they're immediately >>>> rounded up and charged with incitement.
There was even one famous clip of the cops being asked why they're only >>>> enforcing the law against them and not the Muzlims and were told outright >>>> that their orders from the top are Muslims and immigrants are hands-off. >>>> Also, the cops said, there are too many of them and they get violent if you
try to arrest them.
That's a bad precedent with no real justification. If someone gets
violent if you try to arrest them then that's a good sign they should
be in jail. At least then they would have time to cool off.
https://ibb.co/FV6x94h
You have to admit that taking on option 3 is more likely to be the
safer option.
. . .
Too overwhelmed to deal with roving gangs of Muslims but they have time for >this:
https://ibb.co/HFkLrL3
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
. . .
Too overwhelmed to deal with roving gangs of Muslims but they have time for >> this:
https://ibb.co/HFkLrL3
About anything in particular?
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 11:39:10 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
What about addressing the main point that is listed above. That this
entire mess started because of a lie about the perpetrator of the
original crime.
This entire mess started because their government (much like our own) has
been tolerating unchecked illegal immigration despite the population being >> overwhelmingly against it and in many cases siding with the illegals over
their own citizens and protecting the culture of illegals over that of
British citizens.
I don't get why Britain is heading that way. Charging people with hate
speech for mis-gendering people is something that has happened there. Allowing the refugees/immigrants in is a decent thing to do but they
have to follow the rules that everyone else is following.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
. . .
Too overwhelmed to deal with roving gangs of Muslims but they have time for >>this:
https://ibb.co/HFkLrL3
About anything in particular?
On Aug 9, 2024 at 6:05:24 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
. . .
Too overwhelmed to deal with roving gangs of Muslims but they have time for >>> this:
https://ibb.co/HFkLrL3
About anything in particular?
Director of Public Prosecutions of England and Wales warns that merely sharing >video of riots can get people prosecuted now.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1821178774035030016/vid/avc1/1920x1080/sqevEHrXm3fCcxe7.mp4?tag=16
On Aug 7, 2024 at 12:39:25 PM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 16:54:48 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Aug 6, 2024 at 5:09:37 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >>> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 11:39:10 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote:
What about addressing the main point that is listed above. That this >>>>>> entire mess started because of a lie about the perpetrator of the >>>>>> original crime.
This entire mess started because their government (much like our own) has
been tolerating unchecked illegal immigration despite the population being
overwhelmingly against it and in many cases siding with the illegals over
their own citizens and protecting the culture of illegals over that of >>>>> British citizens.
I don't get why Britain is heading that way. Charging people with hate >>>> speech for mis-gendering people is something that has happened there. >>>> Allowing the refugees/immigrants in is a decent thing to do but they >>>> have to follow the rules that everyone else is following.
I just cited the other day the copper I worked with in London who was >>>>> served a court order to stop flying his own country's flag on his own >>>>> flagpole on his own property because the court was more concerned about the
feelings and sensitivities of the local Muslim population than the rights
and culture of British citizens.
YouTube is full if clips where Muslim protests fill the streets, complete
with vandalism and hate speech and the police do nothing, but 10 white guys
show up waving the Union Jack in counter-protest and they're immediately
rounded up and charged with incitement.
There was even one famous clip of the cops being asked why they're only >>>>> enforcing the law against them and not the Muzlims and were told outright
that their orders from the top are Muslims and immigrants are hands-off.
Also, the cops said, there are too many of them and they get violent if you
try to arrest them.
That's a bad precedent with no real justification. If someone gets
violent if you try to arrest them then that's a good sign they should >>>> be in jail. At least then they would have time to cool off.
https://ibb.co/FV6x94h
You have to admit that taking on option 3 is more likely to be the
safer option.
Too overwhelmed to deal with roving gangs of Muslims but they have time for this:
https://ibb.co/HFkLrL3
On Aug 6, 2024 at 5:09:37 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 11:39:10 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
What about addressing the main point that is listed above. That this >>>> entire mess started because of a lie about the perpetrator of the
original crime.
This entire mess started because their government (much like our own) has >>> been tolerating unchecked illegal immigration despite the population being >>> overwhelmingly against it and in many cases siding with the illegals over >>> their own citizens and protecting the culture of illegals over that of
British citizens.
I don't get why Britain is heading that way. Charging people with hate
speech for mis-gendering people is something that has happened there.
Allowing the refugees/immigrants in is a decent thing to do but they
have to follow the rules that everyone else is following.
Former Birmingham police officer confirms two-tier policing is official policy
in UK:
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1821907489513701376/vid/avc1/886x666/W427gp8IclQBEB6m.mp4?tag=16
On Aug 9, 2024 at 6:05:24 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
. . .
Too overwhelmed to deal with roving gangs of Muslims but they have time for >>> this:
https://ibb.co/HFkLrL3
About anything in particular?
Director of Public Prosecutions of England and Wales warns that merely sharing
video of riots can get people prosecuted now.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1821178774035030016/vid/avc1/1920x1080/sqevEHrXm3fCcxe7.mp4?tag=16
On Aug 9, 2024 at 6:05:24 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
. . .
Too overwhelmed to deal with roving gangs of Muslims but they have time for >>> this:
https://ibb.co/HFkLrL3
About anything in particular?
Director of Public Prosecutions of England and Wales warns that merely sharing
video of riots can get people prosecuted now.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1821178774035030016/vid/avc1/1920x1080/sqevEHrXm3fCcxe7.mp4?tag=16
Sat, 10 Aug 2024 01:24:43 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Aug 9, 2024 at 6:05:24 PM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
. . .
Too overwhelmed to deal with roving gangs of Muslims but they have time for >>>>this:
https://ibb.co/HFkLrL3
About anything in particular?
Director of Public Prosecutions of England and Wales warns that merely >>sharing video of riots can get people prosecuted now.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1821178774035030016/vid/avc1/1920x1080/sqevEHrXm3fCcxe7.mp4?tag=16
So the proper response is for those of us outside the UK to repost all
of the actual videos of riots over and over again to flood them with
posts that they can't do anything about. All because the posts MIGHT
incite someone to violence. Note, there's no requirement that it does
incite someone to violence, just that it might. Will they go after the >original poster of the videos as well, or just those that repost it?
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Sat, 10 Aug 2024 01:24:43 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Aug 9, 2024 at 6:05:24 PM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>>>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
. . .
Too overwhelmed to deal with roving gangs of Muslims but they have time for
this:
https://ibb.co/HFkLrL3
About anything in particular?
Director of Public Prosecutions of England and Wales warns that merely >>>sharing video of riots can get people prosecuted now.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1821178774035030016/vid/avc1/1920x1080/sqevEHrXm3fCcxe7.mp4?tag=16
So the proper response is for those of us outside the UK to repost all
of the actual videos of riots over and over again to flood them with
posts that they can't do anything about. All because the posts MIGHT
incite someone to violence. Note, there's no requirement that it does >>incite someone to violence, just that it might. Will they go after the >>original poster of the videos as well, or just those that repost it?
Why does it matter, shawn?
UK has had draconian laws restricting civil liberties before in response
to a crisis like IRA bombings, then sunsetted them or repealed them with
the crisis ended. I don't recall why the current laws were passed but
right now, there is no crisis and the laws weren't repealed.
Laws giving prosecutors unlimited are always justified because only the
worst of the worst will be charged. Well, that's never true.
The prosecutor doesn't have to prove much to prove incitement. He
doesn't have to prove that A, being prosecuted, incited B, who committed
the bad act. He doesn't have to prove any link to an actual crime.
All he has to prove is that the words themselves were inciting speech or >inciting writing. The words may be quoted; the person charge doesn't
have to be the author.
Prosecutions are arbitrary.
On 8/9/24 8:17 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 6, 2024 at 5:09:37 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 11:39:10 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
What about addressing the main point that is listed above. That this >>>> entire mess started because of a lie about the perpetrator of the
original crime.
This entire mess started because their government (much like our own) has >>> been tolerating unchecked illegal immigration despite the population
being overwhelmingly against it and in many cases siding with the
illegals over their own citizens and protecting the culture of illegals >>> over that of British citizens.
I don't get why Britain is heading that way. Charging people with hate
speech for mis-gendering people is something that has happened there.
Allowing the refugees/immigrants in is a decent thing to do but they
have to follow the rules that everyone else is following.
Former Birmingham police officer confirms two-tier policing is official policy in UK:
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1821907489513701376/vid/avc1/886x666/W
427gp8IclQBEB6m.mp4?tag=16
The violence at football matches is often lethal.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Sat, 10 Aug 2024 01:24:43 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Aug 9, 2024 at 6:05:24 PM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
. . .
Too overwhelmed to deal with roving gangs of Muslims but they have time >>>>for this:
https://ibb.co/HFkLrL3
About anything in particular?
Director of Public Prosecutions of England and Wales warns that merely >>sharing video of riots can get people prosecuted now.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1821178774035030016/vid/avc1/1920x1080
/sqevEHrXm3fCcxe7.mp4?tag=16
So the proper response is for those of us outside the UK to repost all
of the actual videos of riots over and over again to flood them with
posts that they can't do anything about. All because the posts MIGHT
incite someone to violence. Note, there's no requirement that it does >incite someone to violence, just that it might. Will they go after the >original poster of the videos as well, or just those that repost it?
Why does it matter, shawn?
UK has had draconian laws restricting civil liberties before in response
to a crisis like IRA bombings, then sunsetted them or repealed them with
the crisis ended. I don't recall why the current laws were passed but
right now, there is no crisis and the laws weren't repealed.
Laws giving prosecutors unlimited are always justified because only the
worst of the worst will be charged. Well, that's never true.
The prosecutor doesn't have to prove much to prove incitement. He
doesn't have to prove that A, being prosecuted, incited B, who committed
the bad act. He doesn't have to prove any link to an actual crime.
On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 01:24:43 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Aug 9, 2024 at 6:05:24 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Too overwhelmed to deal with roving gangs of Muslims but they have time >>> for this:
https://ibb.co/HFkLrL3
About anything in particular?
Director of Public Prosecutions of England and Wales warns that merely >sharing video of riots can get people prosecuted now.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1821178774035030016/vid/avc1/1920x1080/
sqevEHrXm3fCcxe7.mp4?tag=16
So the proper response is for those of us outside the UK to repost all
of the actual videos of riots over and over again to flood them with
posts that they can't do anything about. All because the posts MIGHT
incite someone to violence. Note, there's no requirement that it does
incite someone to violence, just that it might. Will they go after the original poster of the videos as well, or just those that repost it?
On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 12:51:02 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Sat, 10 Aug 2024 01:24:43 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Aug 9, 2024 at 6:05:24 PM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>>>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
. . .
Too overwhelmed to deal with roving gangs of Muslims but they have time >>>>>for this:
https://ibb.co/HFkLrL3
About anything in particular?
Director of Public Prosecutions of England and Wales warns that merely >>>sharing video of riots can get people prosecuted now.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1821178774035030016/vid/avc1/1920x108
0/sqevEHrXm3fCcxe7.mp4?tag=16
So the proper response is for those of us outside the UK to repost all
of the actual videos of riots over and over again to flood them with >>posts that they can't do anything about. All because the posts MIGHT >>incite someone to violence. Note, there's no requirement that it does >>incite someone to violence, just that it might. Will they go after the >>original poster of the videos as well, or just those that repost it?
Why does it matter, shawn?
Because the guy in the video seemed to suggest it was only the
reposters that they were going after. So I asked in order to learn if
I understood him correctly or not. Why does it matter to you that I
asked?
UK has had draconian laws restricting civil liberties before in response
to a crisis like IRA bombings, then sunsetted them or repealed them with >the crisis ended. I don't recall why the current laws were passed but
right now, there is no crisis and the laws weren't repealed.
Sure, it's been made clear over and over again that the UK doesn't
have or seem to even want freedom of speech.
I'm always surprised that the citizenry don't demand it but instead it
seems the government keeps putting more restrictions on citizens every
year.
In article <bodebj1em223rsv4204pk92b27pghh52ct@4ax.com>,
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 01:24:43 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Aug 9, 2024 at 6:05:24 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Too overwhelmed to deal with roving gangs of Muslims but they have time >>>>> for this:
https://ibb.co/HFkLrL3
About anything in particular?
Director of Public Prosecutions of England and Wales warns that merely
sharing video of riots can get people prosecuted now.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1821178774035030016/vid/avc1/1920x1080/
sqevEHrXm3fCcxe7.mp4?tag=16
So the proper response is for those of us outside the UK to repost all
of the actual videos of riots over and over again to flood them with
posts that they can't do anything about. All because the posts MIGHT
incite someone to violence. Note, there's no requirement that it does
incite someone to violence, just that it might. Will they go after the
original poster of the videos as well, or just those that repost it?
Well, England's two-tier justice system requires that they first
determine the race/ethnicity of the original poster to determine if an arrest/prosecution will happen.
White, native British citizen? Yes, definitely a prosecution.
Non-native illegal alien or ethnic Muslim? Hands off.
In article <FFHtO.309333$qO%5.148477@fx16.iad>,
trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
On 8/9/24 8:17 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 6, 2024 at 5:09:37 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >>> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 11:39:10 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
What about addressing the main point that is listed above. That this >>>>>> entire mess started because of a lie about the perpetrator of the >>>>>> original crime.
This entire mess started because their government (much like our own) has >>>>> been tolerating unchecked illegal immigration despite the population >>>>> being overwhelmingly against it and in many cases siding with the
illegals over their own citizens and protecting the culture of illegals >>>>> over that of British citizens.
I don't get why Britain is heading that way. Charging people with hate >>>> speech for mis-gendering people is something that has happened there.
Allowing the refugees/immigrants in is a decent thing to do but they
have to follow the rules that everyone else is following.
Former Birmingham police officer confirms two-tier policing is official
policy in UK:
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1821907489513701376/vid/avc1/886x666/W
427gp8IclQBEB6m.mp4?tag=16
The violence at football matches is often lethal.
The same can be said of the roving Muslim gangs.
Or on a smaller scale, California and the vagrants. No one wants the
vagrants all over the place in our parks and beaches and attacking us on
the streets and buses and trains but our city and county governments not
only don't do anything about them, they keep enacting policies so
favorable to them that vagrants around the nation keep pouring in and
the problem gets worse by the day.
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