• Shane Jones sets out to kill a declining species

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 13 17:10:34 2024
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/04/oceans-and-fisheries-minister-shane-jones-scraps-sea-lion-safeguard-amid-declining-population.html

    https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350240291/death-limit-endangered-new-zealand-sea-lions-scrapped

    Clearly Jones has been bought, hook, line and sinker, by the Fishing
    Companies.

    How would you feel about sea lion meat in a burger?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 13 06:44:52 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/04/oceans-and-fisheries-minister-shane-jones-scraps-sea-lion-safeguard-amid-declining-population.html

    https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350240291/death-limit-endangered-new-zealand-sea-lions-scrapped

    Clearly Jones has been bought, hook, line and sinker, by the Fishing >Companies.
    That is defamation - once more - you are a defamer.

    How would you feel about sea lion meat in a burger?
    How would you like to be sued by someone you defame?

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 14 19:19:49 2024
    On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 17:10:34 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/04/oceans-and-fisheries-minister-shane-jones-scraps-sea-lion-safeguard-amid-declining-population.html

    https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350240291/death-limit-endangered-new-zealand-sea-lions-scrapped

    Clearly Jones has been bought, hook, line and sinker, by the Fishing >Companies.

    How would you feel about sea lion meat in a burger?

    If there is a demand, harvest them or farm them.

    Bill.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sun Apr 14 20:44:29 2024
    On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 06:44:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/04/oceans-and-fisheries-minister-shane-jones-scraps-sea-lion-safeguard-amid-declining-population.html
    https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350240291/death-limit-endangered-new-zealand-sea-lions-scrapped

    Clearly Jones has been bought, hook, line and sinker, by the Fishing >>Companies.
    That is defamation - once more - you are a defamer.

    How would you feel about sea lion meat in a burger?
    How would you like to be sued by someone you defame?

    Tony, the reality is that any defamation from these posts reaches such
    a small audience that there is no cause for action. This does not
    reflect the defamatory nature of Riches posts, just that the audience
    is so small that the financial damage is not enough to warrant legal
    action against whoever wrote the post.


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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to blah@blah.blah on Sun Apr 14 22:04:03 2024
    On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 19:19:49 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 17:10:34 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/04/oceans-and-fisheries-minister-shane-jones-scraps-sea-lion-safeguard-amid-declining-population.html
    https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350240291/death-limit-endangered-new-zealand-sea-lions-scrapped

    Clearly Jones has been bought, hook, line and sinker, by the Fishing >>Companies.

    How would you feel about sea lion meat in a burger?

    If there is a demand, harvest them or farm them.

    Bill.

    Indeed, there may be a market for sea lion meat - currently those
    accidentally caught are I believe thrown overboard, but do you think
    there would be a market for the bodies, Bill?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Crash on Sun Apr 14 20:26:59 2024
    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 06:44:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/04/oceans-and-fisheries-minister-shane-jones-scraps-sea-lion-safeguard-amid-declining-population.html
    https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350240291/death-limit-endangered-new-zealand-sea-lions-scrapped

    Clearly Jones has been bought, hook, line and sinker, by the Fishing >>>Companies.
    That is defamation - once more - you are a defamer.

    How would you feel about sea lion meat in a burger?
    How would you like to be sued by someone you defame?

    Tony, the reality is that any defamation from these posts reaches such
    a small audience that there is no cause for action. This does not
    reflect the defamatory nature of Riches posts, just that the audience
    is so small that the financial damage is not enough to warrant legal
    action against whoever wrote the post.

    Yes Crash I understand that. Rich is a serial defamer, it goes back close to 20 years - one day somebody might make an example of him. He has earned it. Interestingly, defamation can be proven if just one person hears or reads the questionable item (provided the item is not true of course).

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Mon Apr 15 09:43:02 2024
    On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 20:26:59 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 06:44:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/04/oceans-and-fisheries-minister-shane-jones-scraps-sea-lion-safeguard-amid-declining-population.html
    https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350240291/death-limit-endangered-new-zealand-sea-lions-scrapped

    Clearly Jones has been bought, hook, line and sinker, by the Fishing >>>>Companies.
    That is defamation - once more - you are a defamer.

    How would you feel about sea lion meat in a burger?
    How would you like to be sued by someone you defame?

    Tony, the reality is that any defamation from these posts reaches such
    a small audience that there is no cause for action. This does not
    reflect the defamatory nature of Riches posts, just that the audience
    is so small that the financial damage is not enough to warrant legal
    action against whoever wrote the post.

    Yes Crash I understand that. Rich is a serial defamer, it goes back close to 20
    years - one day somebody might make an example of him. He has earned it. >Interestingly, defamation can be proven if just one person hears or reads the >questionable item (provided the item is not true of course).

    There is no defamation. Fishery companies are known to have donated to
    NZ First - that received a lot of publicity, and in addition an
    investigation resulted in no charges being laid against NZ First with
    respect to their handling of donations through a separate fund - just
    as there have been no charges against ACT or National with respect to 'assistance' from the NZ Taxpayer Union.

    Jones worked with and effectively for the fishery companies. His
    defection from Labour to NZ First was not a happy move, and NZ First
    is more a gathering of independent politicians than a coherent party;
    Winston is aggressively his own man and The Leader - when and if
    Winston leaves NZ First Jones now knows there may be nothing left for
    him to be leader of. Fisheries have treated him well - and he has in
    turn been a 'good friend' to that industry, Removing cameras from
    trawlers allows tem to ignore conservation requirements and destroy
    the bottom of the ocean, to catch endangered species without being
    caught - and now to kill a species. You are almost certainly as aware
    of the value of friends as Shane Jones - when you have lost so many
    any left become more valuable. Being a 'good friend' through idiotic
    public political decisions is not illegal - just poor politics; but
    that fits well with the National and ACT parties his party is in
    government with . . ..

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Apr 15 00:39:35 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 20:26:59 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 06:44:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/04/oceans-and-fisheries-minister-shane-jones-scraps-sea-lion-safeguard-amid-declining-population.html
    https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350240291/death-limit-endangered-new-zealand-sea-lions-scrapped

    Clearly Jones has been bought, hook, line and sinker, by the Fishing >>>>>Companies.
    That is defamation - once more - you are a defamer.

    How would you feel about sea lion meat in a burger?
    How would you like to be sued by someone you defame?

    Tony, the reality is that any defamation from these posts reaches such
    a small audience that there is no cause for action. This does not >>>reflect the defamatory nature of Riches posts, just that the audience
    is so small that the financial damage is not enough to warrant legal >>>action against whoever wrote the post.

    Yes Crash I understand that. Rich is a serial defamer, it goes back close to >>20
    years - one day somebody might make an example of him. He has earned it. >>Interestingly, defamation can be proven if just one person hears or reads the >>questionable item (provided the item is not true of course).

    There is no defamation.
    It is without any doubt defamation.
    You cannot defend it, you cannot prove what you said and it is public - ergo defamation.
    Honesty is a word you have no understanding of.
    Fishery companies are known to have donated to
    NZ First - that received a lot of publicity, and in addition an
    investigation resulted in no charges being laid against NZ First with
    respect to their handling of donations through a separate fund - just
    as there have been no charges against ACT or National with respect to >'assistance' from the NZ Taxpayer Union.
    Bullshit - donating to a political party is not the same as paying a person for favours. It is, and remains, defamation.

    Jones worked with and effectively for the fishery companies. His
    defection from Labour to NZ First was not a happy move, and NZ First
    is more a gathering of independent politicians than a coherent party;
    Winston is aggressively his own man and The Leader - when and if
    Winston leaves NZ First Jones now knows there may be nothing left for
    him to be leader of. Fisheries have treated him well - and he has in
    turn been a 'good friend' to that industry, Removing cameras from
    trawlers allows tem to ignore conservation requirements and destroy
    the bottom of the ocean, to catch endangered species without being
    caught - and now to kill a species. You are almost certainly as aware
    of the value of friends as Shane Jones - when you have lost so many
    any left become more valuable. Being a 'good friend' through idiotic
    public political decisions is not illegal - just poor politics; but
    that fits well with the National and ACT parties his party is in
    government with . . ..
    Political rhetoric is all you have.
    What a waste of air.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Wed Apr 17 17:23:28 2024
    On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 00:39:35 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 20:26:59 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 06:44:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/04/oceans-and-fisheries-minister-shane-jones-scraps-sea-lion-safeguard-amid-declining-population.html
    https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350240291/death-limit-endangered-new-zealand-sea-lions-scrapped

    Clearly Jones has been bought, hook, line and sinker, by the Fishing >>>>>>Companies.
    That is defamation - once more - you are a defamer.

    How would you feel about sea lion meat in a burger?
    How would you like to be sued by someone you defame?

    Tony, the reality is that any defamation from these posts reaches such >>>>a small audience that there is no cause for action. This does not >>>>reflect the defamatory nature of Riches posts, just that the audience >>>>is so small that the financial damage is not enough to warrant legal >>>>action against whoever wrote the post.

    Yes Crash I understand that. Rich is a serial defamer, it goes back close to >>>20
    years - one day somebody might make an example of him. He has earned it. >>>Interestingly, defamation can be proven if just one person hears or reads the
    questionable item (provided the item is not true of course).

    There is no defamation.
    It is without any doubt defamation.
    You cannot defend it, you cannot prove what you said and it is public - ergo >defamation.
    Honesty is a word you have no understanding of.
    Fishery companies are known to have donated to
    NZ First - that received a lot of publicity, and in addition an >>investigation resulted in no charges being laid against NZ First with >>respect to their handling of donations through a separate fund - just
    as there have been no charges against ACT or National with respect to >>'assistance' from the NZ Taxpayer Union.
    Bullshit - donating to a political party is not the same as paying a person for
    favours. It is, and remains, defamation.

    Jones worked with and effectively for the fishery companies. His
    defection from Labour to NZ First was not a happy move, and NZ First
    is more a gathering of independent politicians than a coherent party; >>Winston is aggressively his own man and The Leader - when and if
    Winston leaves NZ First Jones now knows there may be nothing left for
    him to be leader of. Fisheries have treated him well - and he has in
    turn been a 'good friend' to that industry, Removing cameras from
    trawlers allows tem to ignore conservation requirements and destroy
    the bottom of the ocean, to catch endangered species without being
    caught - and now to kill a species. You are almost certainly as aware
    of the value of friends as Shane Jones - when you have lost so many
    any left become more valuable. Being a 'good friend' through idiotic
    public political decisions is not illegal - just poor politics; but
    that fits well with the National and ACT parties his party is in
    government with . . ..
    Political rhetoric is all you have.
    What a waste of air.
    Those two lines apply well to either you or Same Jones - for the
    latter see:
    https://www.horizonpoll.co.nz/page/691/donations-r

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Apr 17 06:22:14 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 00:39:35 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 20:26:59 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 06:44:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/04/oceans-and-fisheries-minister-shane-jones-scraps-sea-lion-safeguard-amid-declining-population.html
    https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350240291/death-limit-endangered-new-zealand-sea-lions-scrapped

    Clearly Jones has been bought, hook, line and sinker, by the Fishing >>>>>>>Companies.
    That is defamation - once more - you are a defamer.

    How would you feel about sea lion meat in a burger?
    How would you like to be sued by someone you defame?

    Tony, the reality is that any defamation from these posts reaches such >>>>>a small audience that there is no cause for action. This does not >>>>>reflect the defamatory nature of Riches posts, just that the audience >>>>>is so small that the financial damage is not enough to warrant legal >>>>>action against whoever wrote the post.

    Yes Crash I understand that. Rich is a serial defamer, it goes back close >>>>to
    20
    years - one day somebody might make an example of him. He has earned it. >>>>Interestingly, defamation can be proven if just one person hears or reads >>>>the
    questionable item (provided the item is not true of course).

    There is no defamation.
    It is without any doubt defamation.
    You cannot defend it, you cannot prove what you said and it is public - ergo >>defamation.
    Honesty is a word you have no understanding of.
    Fishery companies are known to have donated to
    NZ First - that received a lot of publicity, and in addition an >>>investigation resulted in no charges being laid against NZ First with >>>respect to their handling of donations through a separate fund - just
    as there have been no charges against ACT or National with respect to >>>'assistance' from the NZ Taxpayer Union.
    Bullshit - donating to a political party is not the same as paying a person >>for
    favours. It is, and remains, defamation.

    Jones worked with and effectively for the fishery companies. His >>>defection from Labour to NZ First was not a happy move, and NZ First
    is more a gathering of independent politicians than a coherent party; >>>Winston is aggressively his own man and The Leader - when and if
    Winston leaves NZ First Jones now knows there may be nothing left for
    him to be leader of. Fisheries have treated him well - and he has in
    turn been a 'good friend' to that industry, Removing cameras from >>>trawlers allows tem to ignore conservation requirements and destroy
    the bottom of the ocean, to catch endangered species without being
    caught - and now to kill a species. You are almost certainly as aware
    of the value of friends as Shane Jones - when you have lost so many
    any left become more valuable. Being a 'good friend' through idiotic >>>public political decisions is not illegal - just poor politics; but
    that fits well with the National and ACT parties his party is in >>>government with . . ..
    Political rhetoric is all you have.
    What a waste of air.
    Those two lines apply well to either you or Same Jones - for the
    latter see:
    https://www.horizonpoll.co.nz/page/691/donations-r
    You wouldn't know a donation if it hit you on the head. You have never donated anything of value in your life.
    You defamed the minister. Shame on you for that and shame on you for trying, but failing, to squirm out of it.

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  • From Lil-man-ball@21:1/5 to Tony on Wed Apr 17 10:04:54 2024
    On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 06:22:14 -0000 (UTC)
    Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    You defamed the minister.


    Award worthy!

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