But what about client?
1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux
2. It shouldn't necessarily be mail client for its main purpose (I
tried claws but feel unsure about it for that sake)
3. It would be good if it is lightweight enough (Thunderbird seems a
bit too fat already but not too much if you say it is definitely the
best choice).
4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode lacking fancy
features for handling images and videos etc.
I guess it is definitely possible to try downloading this and that and something more and try setting them up etc - but perhaps someone with
similar situation can direct me with advice according to personal
experience? thanks in advance!
Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-asked question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly there are or were many flavors of readers but among them
many non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.
So the situation is like this - I recently joined UseNet (though I was in Fido couple decades ago
so the concept is not completely new to me) communicating currently via NovaBBS, but as I understand it provides me access to few hundreds groups and to post to some more which are of
interest to me I need to pick nntp server and client. As for servers there seemingly are some
free for text-only groups which is enough for me (e.g. I read about i2pn2.org at the same novabbs).
But what about client?
1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux
2. It shouldn't necessarily be mail client for its main purpose (I tried claws but feel unsure
about it for that sake)
3. It would be good if it is lightweight enough (Thunderbird seems a bit too fat already but not too much if you say it is definitely the best choice).
4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode lacking fancy features for handling images and videos etc.
I guess it is definitely possible to try downloading this and that and something more and try
setting them up etc - but perhaps someone with similar situation can direct me with advice according to personal experience? thanks in advance!
But what about client?
1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux
2. It shouldn't necessarily be mail client for its main purpose (I
tried claws but feel unsure about it for that sake)
3. It would be good if it is lightweight enough (Thunderbird seems a
bit too fat already but not too much if you say it is definitely the
best choice).
4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode lacking fancy
features for handling images and videos etc.
I guess it is definitely possible to try downloading this and that and something more and try setting them up etc - but perhaps someone with
similar situation can direct me with advice according to personal
experience? thanks in advance!
Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-asked question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly there are or were many flavors of readers but among them
many non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.
So the situation is like this - I recently joined UseNet (though I was in Fido couple decades ago
so the concept is not completely new to me) communicating currently via NovaBBS, but as I understand it provides me access to few hundreds groups and to post to some more which are of
interest to me I need to pick nntp server and client. As for servers there seemingly are some
free for text-only groups which is enough for me (e.g. I read about i2pn2.org at the same novabbs).
But what about client?
1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux
2. It shouldn't necessarily be mail client for its main purpose (I tried claws but feel unsure
about it for that sake)
3. It would be good if it is lightweight enough (Thunderbird seems a bit too fat already but not too much if you say it is definitely the best choice).
4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode lacking fancy features for handling images and videos etc.
I guess it is definitely possible to try downloading this and that and something more and try
setting them up etc - but perhaps someone with similar situation can direct me with advice according to personal experience? thanks in advance!
Thanks Friends!
I have successfully installed both Gnus and PAN (despite their link to
Ubuntu PPA is expired it still works with "apt install pan") and write
this reply using the latter. It seemingly will take some more time to
get acquainted with Gnus, but I'll put some efforts into.
Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-asked question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly
there are or were many flavors of readers but among them many
non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.
So the situation is like this - I recently joined UseNet (though I
was in Fido couple decades ago so the concept is not completely new
to me) communicating currently via NovaBBS, but as I understand it
provides me access to few hundreds groups and to post to some more
which are of interest to me I need to pick nntp server and client. As
for servers there seemingly are some free for text-only groups which
is enough for me (e.g. I read about i2pn2.org at the same novabbs).
But what about client?
1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux
2. It shouldn't necessarily be mail client for its main purpose (I
tried claws but feel unsure about it for that sake)
3. It would be good if it is lightweight enough (Thunderbird seems a
bit too fat already but not too much if you say it is definitely the
best choice).
4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode
lacking fancy features for handling images and videos etc.
I do too. I can pick Jstar (WordStar variant of JOE) as my editor. That sold >me.
WordStar 3.00("WordStar 3.00 for CPM-80 (files).7z" ; 188 KB / 192,512 bytes)
WordStar, originally from MicroPro, was a popular word processor during the >early 80s. It was ported to a number of CP/M architectures as well as Unix >and PC/MS-DOS. It competed directly against many word processors, including >WordPerfect, Microsoft Word for DOS, and Multimate. By the late 80s most >business word processing had moved to WordPerfect. In the early 90s, Microsoft >Word for Windows took over.
Also see a history of WordStar: A Potted History of WordStar and some earlier >0.x versions at The WordStar Collection
Wanted: Pre-1.0 versions were sold publicly. WordStar 0.87 redump, WordStar >0.89, WordStar 0.91, WordStar 0.92, (Google results indicate these existed) >WordStar 1.0. Early WordStar 2.0 releases were reported to be copy protected. >Available releases
0.x/1.x
2.x
3.00 (current)
3.30
for PCjr
2000
4.0
1512
5.0
COLT
5.5
6
1.5 for Windows
7
2.0 for Windows
Release notes
Wanted: Wordstar 3.00 for PC/MS-DOS. Reportedly 3.0 was the first version available for DOS.
Information
Product type
Application Word Processor
Vendor
MicroPro
Release date
1982
Minimum CPU
Z80
User interface
Text
Platform
CPM
Download count
35 (1 for release)
Downloads
Download name Version Language Architecture File size Downloads
WordStar 3.00 for CPM Manuals 3.00 for CPM English [Z80] 17.19MB 0
WordStar 3.00 for CPM-80 (files) 3.00 for CPM-80 English [Z80] 189.76KB 0
https://winworldpc.com/download/08c3841f-c383-c398-c2b3-11c3a5c28f13 https://winworldpc.com/download/08c3841f-c383-c398-c2b3-11c3a5c28f13/from/c3ae6ee2-8099-713d-3411-c3a6e280947e
WordStar 3.01 for CPM-80 (1982) (5.25-DSQD) 3.01 for CPM-80 English [Z80] 11.05MB 0("WordStar 3.01 for CPM-80 (1982) (5.25-DSQD).7z" ; 10.5 MB / 11,055,104 bytes)
https://winworldpc.com/download/348b9ab2-df7d-11ec-8dc3-0200008a0da4 https://winworldpc.com/download/348b9ab2-df7d-11ec-8dc3-0200008a0da4/from/c3ae6ee2-8099-713d-3411-c3a6e280947e
WordStar 3.01 for CPM-80 Manuals (1982) 3.01 for CPM-80 English [Z80] 145.37MB 0[end quote]
Comments
On 28.03.2024 um 06:33 Uhr RodionGork wrote:
4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode
lacking fancy features for handling images and videos etc.
tin, slrn, trn exist.
rodion_gork@mail.ru (RodionGork) writes:
But what about client?
1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux
GNUS.
2. It shouldn't necessarily be mail client for its main purpose (I
tried claws but feel unsure about it for that sake)
GNUS does mail, nntp and some other things.
3. It would be good if it is lightweight enough (Thunderbird seems a
bit too fat already but not too much if you say it is definitely the
best choice).
GNUS probably is less fat than TB, but not having used TB for years,
that only is an uneducated guess.
4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode lacking fancy
features for handling images and videos etc.
GNUS runs in Emacs, so if it is not using a stripped down Emacs build,
TUI and GUI will work. In GUIy Emacs you even get images in HTML mail
and posts, but its HTML rendering still lacks many bells and whistles.
For things like Hackaday's RSS gated via Gwene to NNTP it definitely is
nice enough.
I guess it is definitely possible to try downloading this and that and
something more and try setting them up etc - but perhaps someone with
similar situation can direct me with advice according to personal
experience? thanks in advance!
There is lots of help about GNUS available in Usenet or via mailing
lists (gated to NNTP via Gmane and Gwene) and for a not so serious
summary of GNUS read the signature.
Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:
On 28.03.2024 um 06:33 Uhr RodionGork wrote:
4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode
lacking fancy features for handling images and videos etc.
tin, slrn, trn exist.
I've used all 3, and actually used slrn for a number of years. I finally decided to jump into gnus though, and once I did I wish I had done it
years earlier.
I had found that things like tin, trn, and slrn each had limitations for
me. Sometimes there were workarounds and sometimes not. With gnus, every
time I wondered about a feature, I found it was already there or there
was an easy way of making gnus do that.
I feel that gnus is the most capable and flexible newsreader, and I'd
find it hard to go back to anything else.
On 2024-03-28, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
RodionGork <rodion_gork@mail.ru> wrote at 06:33 this Thursday (GMT):
Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-askedI like slrn
question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly
there are or were many flavors of readers but among them many
non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.
But what about client?
I do too. I can pick Jstar (WordStar variant of JOE) as my editor. That sold me.
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 08:13:53 +0042, yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
rodion_gork@mail.ru (RodionGork) writes:
But what about client?
1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux
GNUS.
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 15:40:09 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
I like slrn
On 2024-03-28, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-28, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
RodionGork <rodion_gork@mail.ru> wrote at 06:33 this Thursday (GMT):
Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-askedI like slrn
question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly
there are or were many flavors of readers but among them many
non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.
But what about client?
I do too. I can pick Jstar (WordStar variant of JOE) as my editor.
That sold me.
It's so strange to me -- anytime anyone asks what Usenet is, slrn is
always, uniformly, what comes to mind.
I'm editing this in Vim; Ron edited his answer in Jstar; CC07 could have
used nano or emacs or whatever -- the point remains: slrn just makes it
all possible.
Slrn, always, forever. It is usenet. Hasta la slrn siempre.
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 15:40:09 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
I like slrn
I used slrn when I was using Linux, BSD, OS/2, and Windows at the same
time. It worked the same everywhere.
I went back to Agent because, for me, Forte Agent=Usenet.
I'm an old warez hound and have been pulling headers in Agent almost
every day since 1995.
This version is running in Wine on Debian.
16 bit FreeAgent from 1995 still works great for text.
dgold <d@gold.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-03-28, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-28, candycanearter07
<candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
RodionGork <rodion_gork@mail.ru> wrote at 06:33 this Thursday (GMT):
Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-askedI like slrn
question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly
there are or were many flavors of readers but among them many
non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.
But what about client?
I do too. I can pick Jstar (WordStar variant of JOE) as my editor.
That sold me.
It's so strange to me -- anytime anyone asks what Usenet is, slrn is
always, uniformly, what comes to mind.
I'm editing this in Vim; Ron edited his answer in Jstar; CC07 could have
used nano or emacs or whatever -- the point remains: slrn just makes it
all possible.
Same for tin. Just define your favourite editor - in my case (since
over four decades) vim - in your tinrc file. Forcing a user to use a particular editor is rather silly.
Slrn, always, forever. It is usenet. Hasta la slrn siempre.
Nah, it's tin, The Ideal Newsreader! :-)
On 2024-03-29, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote at 19:09 this Friday (GMT):
Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:
On 28.03.2024 um 06:33 Uhr RodionGork wrote:
4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode
lacking fancy features for handling images and videos etc.
tin, slrn, trn exist.
I've used all 3, and actually used slrn for a number of years. I finally >>> decided to jump into gnus though, and once I did I wish I had done it
years earlier.
I had found that things like tin, trn, and slrn each had limitations for >>> me. Sometimes there were workarounds and sometimes not. With gnus, every >>> time I wondered about a feature, I found it was already there or there
was an easy way of making gnus do that.
I feel that gnus is the most capable and flexible newsreader, and I'd
find it hard to go back to anything else.
GNUs certainly seems interesting, but I also don't want to go down the
emacs route.
I'm too old to (want to) learn another one and I like using slrn with Jstar.
On 4/1/2024 5:16 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote at 13:45 this Sunday (GMT): >>> dgold <d@gold.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-03-28, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-28, candycanearter07
<candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
RodionGork <rodion_gork@mail.ru> wrote at 06:33 this Thursday (GMT): >>>>>>> Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-asked >>>>>>> question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly >>>>>>> there are or were many flavors of readers but among them many
non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.I like slrn
But what about client?
I do too. I can pick Jstar (WordStar variant of JOE) as my editor.
That sold me.
It's so strange to me -- anytime anyone asks what Usenet is, slrn is
always, uniformly, what comes to mind.
I'm editing this in Vim; Ron edited his answer in Jstar; CC07 could have >>>> used nano or emacs or whatever -- the point remains: slrn just makes it >>>> all possible.
Same for tin. Just define your favourite editor - in my case (since
over four decades) vim - in your tinrc file. Forcing a user to use a
particular editor is rather silly.
Slrn, always, forever. It is usenet. Hasta la slrn siempre.
Nah, it's tin, The Ideal Newsreader! :-)
Eh, tin is interesting but I prefer the visual thread display that slrn
has.
maybe I finally should try out slrn
Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote at 13:55 this Wednesday (GMT):
On 4/1/2024 5:16 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote at 13:45 this Sunday (GMT): >>>> dgold <d@gold.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-03-28, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-28, candycanearter07
<candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
RodionGork <rodion_gork@mail.ru> wrote at 06:33 this Thursday (GMT): >>>>>>>> Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-asked >>>>>>>> question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly >>>>>>>> there are or were many flavors of readers but among them many
non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.I like slrn
But what about client?
I do too. I can pick Jstar (WordStar variant of JOE) as my editor. >>>>>> That sold me.
It's so strange to me -- anytime anyone asks what Usenet is, slrn is >>>>> always, uniformly, what comes to mind.
I'm editing this in Vim; Ron edited his answer in Jstar; CC07 could have >>>>> used nano or emacs or whatever -- the point remains: slrn just makes it >>>>> all possible.
Same for tin. Just define your favourite editor - in my case (since >>>> over four decades) vim - in your tinrc file. Forcing a user to use a
particular editor is rather silly.
Slrn, always, forever. It is usenet. Hasta la slrn siempre.
Nah, it's tin, The Ideal Newsreader! :-)
Eh, tin is interesting but I prefer the visual thread display that slrn
has.
maybe I finally should try out slrn
It's pretty good.
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote at 13:55 this Wednesday (GMT):
On 4/1/2024 5:16 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote at 13:45 this Sunday (GMT): >>>>> dgold <d@gold.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-03-28, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-28, candycanearter07
<candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
RodionGork <rodion_gork@mail.ru> wrote at 06:33 this Thursday (GMT): >>>>>>>>> Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-asked >>>>>>>>> question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly >>>>>>>>> there are or were many flavors of readers but among them many >>>>>>>>> non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.
I like slrn
But what about client?
I do too. I can pick Jstar (WordStar variant of JOE) as my editor. >>>>>>> That sold me.
It's so strange to me -- anytime anyone asks what Usenet is, slrn is >>>>>> always, uniformly, what comes to mind.
I'm editing this in Vim; Ron edited his answer in Jstar; CC07 could have >>>>>> used nano or emacs or whatever -- the point remains: slrn just makes it >>>>>> all possible.
Same for tin. Just define your favourite editor - in my case (since >>>>> over four decades) vim - in your tinrc file. Forcing a user to use a >>>>> particular editor is rather silly.
Slrn, always, forever. It is usenet. Hasta la slrn siempre.
Nah, it's tin, The Ideal Newsreader! :-)
Eh, tin is interesting but I prefer the visual thread display that slrn >>>> has.
maybe I finally should try out slrn
It's pretty good.
A agree with you, candy ;-)
LucLan <address@is.invalid> wrote at 15:56 this Wednesday (GMT):
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >>> Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote at 13:55 this Wednesday (GMT):
On 4/1/2024 5:16 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
candycanearter07 wrote:
LucLan <address@is.invalid> wrote at 15:56 this Wednesday (GMT):
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >>>> Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote at 13:55 this Wednesday (GMT):
On 4/1/2024 5:16 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
[...]
no sheriff here, but please, please, y'all kindly quote properly.
Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote at 13:55 this Wednesday (GMT):
On 4/1/2024 5:16 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote at 13:45 this Sunday (GMT): >>>> dgold <d@gold.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-03-28, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-28, candycanearter07
<candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
RodionGork <rodion_gork@mail.ru> wrote at 06:33 this Thursday (GMT): >>>>>>>> Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-asked >>>>>>>> question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly >>>>>>>> there are or were many flavors of readers but among them many
non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.I like slrn
But what about client?
I do too. I can pick Jstar (WordStar variant of JOE) as my editor. >>>>>> That sold me.
It's so strange to me -- anytime anyone asks what Usenet is, slrn is >>>>> always, uniformly, what comes to mind.
I'm editing this in Vim; Ron edited his answer in Jstar; CC07 could have >>>>> used nano or emacs or whatever -- the point remains: slrn just makes it >>>>> all possible.
Same for tin. Just define your favourite editor - in my case (since >>>> over four decades) vim - in your tinrc file. Forcing a user to use a
particular editor is rather silly.
Slrn, always, forever. It is usenet. Hasta la slrn siempre.
Nah, it's tin, The Ideal Newsreader! :-)
Eh, tin is interesting but I prefer the visual thread display that slrn
has.
maybe I finally should try out slrn
It's pretty good.
On Thu, 04 Apr 2024 10:06:37 +0200, issdr <p_u_n_k_i_n_d@yahoo.it> wrote
in <87il0xblgy.fsf@ID-313311.news.uni-berlin.de>:
[...]
This doesn't apply to me, since I didn't "add a one-line comment".
Kindly redirect your net-nannying invective elsewhere.
[...]
On Wed, 03 Apr 2024 18:36:06 +0200, issdr <p_u_n_k_i_n_d@yahoo.it> wrote:
no sheriff here, but please, please, y'all kindly quote properly.
In every group there's at least one self-appointed Park Ranger that
takes upon himself the duty of maintaining Good Order by making sure
everyone obeys the Rules and Regulations ordained by the Powers That
Be.
It all stems from them not getting that window monitor gig they wanted
so badly in the 6th grade.
They can't help it.
On Thu, 04 Apr 2024 14:05:00 +0200, issdr <p_u_n_k_i_n_d@yahoo.it> wrote:
IAC enough for me, enjoy your eternal september.
But what about client?<snip>
1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux
For text-based, there's also tin, trn, etc. For those
recommending gnus, if you're already in the emacs universe, seems like
a natural choice.
The famous joke: Emacs is a great operating system. If only it
came with a good text editor too ;)
maybe I finally should try out slrn
The famous joke: Emacs is a great operating system. If only it
came with a good text editor too ;)
Phil
I can't wait for "emacs" to be released as its own distro.
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
writes:
I can't wait for "emacs" to be released as its own distro.
I already thought some Lisp cycles about using emacs' package manager
for own binaries too. "Own" as in "managing my $HOME", but I never
tried to implement it. It shouldn't have been too complicated as many
emacs "packages" already include C code that gets built at install time.
But on bad days I think GNU is all about EEE. Embrace, extend,
extinguish. Look at GCC: The GCCisms are so established now that even C
no longer is the universal portable assembler. Far too much stuff can
no longer be built using other compilers.
Writing my stuff in Org/Babel is not a locked in syndrome of the GCC
level. Org documents stay text and if all else fails, a human can read
and understand that.
I'm commuting between hating GNU and liking Org/Babel multipe times per
day.
yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote at 19:55 this Friday (GMT):
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
writes:
I can't wait for "emacs" to be released as its own distro.
I already thought some Lisp cycles about using emacs' package manager
for own binaries too. "Own" as in "managing my $HOME", but I never
tried to implement it. It shouldn't have been too complicated as many
emacs "packages" already include C code that gets built at install
time.
But on bad days I think GNU is all about EEE. Embrace, extend,
extinguish. Look at GCC: The GCCisms are so established now that even
C no longer is the universal portable assembler. Far too much stuff
can no longer be built using other compilers.
Writing my stuff in Org/Babel is not a locked in syndrome of the GCC
level. Org documents stay text and if all else fails, a human can read
and understand that.
I'm commuting between hating GNU and liking Org/Babel multipe times per
day.
At least they don't seem as bad as Ubuntu?
But what about client? 1. I'm linux user so it should be available
for linux 3. It would be good if it is lightweight enough (Thunderbird
seems a bit too fat already but not too much if you say it is
definitely the best choice). 4. It would be all right if it is works
in text-mode lacking fancy features for handling images and videos
etc.
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote at 13:45 this Sunday (GMT):
dgold <d@gold.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-03-28, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-28, candycanearter07
<candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
RodionGork <rodion_gork@mail.ru> wrote at 06:33 this Thursday (GMT):
Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-asked >>> >>> question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seeminglyI like slrn
there are or were many flavors of readers but among them many
non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.
But what about client?
I do too. I can pick Jstar (WordStar variant of JOE) as my editor.
That sold me.
It's so strange to me -- anytime anyone asks what Usenet is, slrn is
always, uniformly, what comes to mind.
I'm editing this in Vim; Ron edited his answer in Jstar; CC07 could have >>> used nano or emacs or whatever -- the point remains: slrn just makes it
all possible.
Same for tin. Just define your favourite editor - in my case (since
over four decades) vim - in your tinrc file. Forcing a user to use a
particular editor is rather silly.
Slrn, always, forever. It is usenet. Hasta la slrn siempre.
Nah, it's tin, The Ideal Newsreader! :-)
Eh, tin is interesting but I prefer the visual thread display that slrn
has.
On 2024-03-29, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote at 19:09 this Friday (GMT):
Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:
On 28.03.2024 um 06:33 Uhr RodionGork wrote:
4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode
lacking fancy features for handling images and videos etc.
tin, slrn, trn exist.
I've used all 3, and actually used slrn for a number of years. I finally >>> decided to jump into gnus though, and once I did I wish I had done it
years earlier.
I had found that things like tin, trn, and slrn each had limitations for >>> me. Sometimes there were workarounds and sometimes not. With gnus, every >>> time I wondered about a feature, I found it was already there or there
was an easy way of making gnus do that.
I feel that gnus is the most capable and flexible newsreader, and I'd
find it hard to go back to anything else.
GNUs certainly seems interesting, but I also don't want to go down the
emacs route.
I'm too old to (want to) learn another one and I like using slrn with Jstar.
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 15:40:09 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
I like slrn
I used slrn when I was using Linux, BSD, OS/2, and Windows at the same
time. It worked the same everywhere.
I went back to Agent because, for me, Forte Agent=Usenet.
I'm an old warez hound and have been pulling headers in Agent almost
every day since 1995.
Phil Boutros <philb@philb.ca> wrote at 21:24 this Thursday (GMT):
[snip]
The famous joke: Emacs is a great operating system. If only it
came with a good text editor too ;)
Phil
I can't wait for "emacs" to be released as its own distro.
In addition, if you really want to use a different editor with gnus,
you can. I used to know a guy who used gnus with vim.
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
writes:
Phil Boutros <philb@philb.ca> wrote at 21:24 this Thursday (GMT):
[snip]
The famous joke: Emacs is a great operating system. If only it
came with a good text editor too ;)
Phil
I can't wait for "emacs" to be released as its own distro.
It was, and that predated the Linux kernel. You used to be able to send
off for a tape with the emacs code on it back in the old days.
Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote at 17:24 this Friday (GMT):
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
writes:
Phil Boutros <philb@philb.ca> wrote at 21:24 this Thursday (GMT):
[snip]
The famous joke: Emacs is a great operating system. If only it
came with a good text editor too ;)
Phil
I can't wait for "emacs" to be released as its own distro.
It was, and that predated the Linux kernel. You used to be able to send
off for a tape with the emacs code on it back in the old days.
Wait what?
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
writes:
Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote at 17:24 this Friday (GMT):
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
writes:
Phil Boutros <philb@philb.ca> wrote at 21:24 this Thursday (GMT):
[snip]
The famous joke: Emacs is a great operating system. If only it >>>>> came with a good text editor too ;)
Phil
I can't wait for "emacs" to be released as its own distro.
It was, and that predated the Linux kernel. You used to be able to send
off for a tape with the emacs code on it back in the old days.
Wait what?
It was mentioned in passing here in 1981.
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-paper.html
Tape was how they distributed things years ago...
Maybe you've heard of BSD? That was on tape too when Bill Joy first
started sending out Berkeley's additions to Unix to other Unix sites.
I also remember seeing messages from Stallman talking about how to get a
tape with the emacs code on it. That was also mentioned at some point in regard to GNU not being opposed to anyone charging for distribution -
like paying for tapes or later paying for a CD with Slackware on it,
etc.
But what about client?
[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
rodion_gork@mail.ru (RodionGork) spake the secret code
<353106c549c5267814e3e2c71aff0b10@www.novabbs.com> thusly:
But what about client?
I like trn. It's available through most linux package managers.
I like it so much that I'm hacking on it to improve it:
<https://github.com/LegalizeAdulthood/trn>
On 2024-04-26, Richard <legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com> wrote:
[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
rodion_gork@mail.ru (RodionGork) spake the secret code
<353106c549c5267814e3e2c71aff0b10@www.novabbs.com> thusly:
But what about client?
I like trn. It's available through most linux package managers.
I like it so much that I'm hacking on it to improve it:
<https://github.com/LegalizeAdulthood/trn>
Where can we find this changes? I am using slrn on my laptops/desktops
but I have termux on one of my tablets and can't find a good client..
rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-04-26, Richard <legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com> wrote:
[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
rodion_gork@mail.ru (RodionGork) spake the secret code
<353106c549c5267814e3e2c71aff0b10@www.novabbs.com> thusly:
But what about client?
I like trn. It's available through most linux package managers.
I like it so much that I'm hacking on it to improve it:
<https://github.com/LegalizeAdulthood/trn>
Where can we find this changes? I am using slrn on my laptops/desktops
but I have termux on one of my tablets and can't find a good client..
If you use slrn on your laptops/desktops, then can't you just build it
on Termux? Shouldn't be too hard.
I don't use slrn myself (but tin), but AFAIK the current main slrn
website is <http://slrn.info>.
On 2024-04-27, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-04-26, Richard <legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com> wrote:
[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
rodion_gork@mail.ru (RodionGork) spake the secret code
<353106c549c5267814e3e2c71aff0b10@www.novabbs.com> thusly:
But what about client?
I like trn. It's available through most linux package managers.
I like it so much that I'm hacking on it to improve it:
<https://github.com/LegalizeAdulthood/trn>
Where can we find this changes? I am using slrn on my laptops/desktops
but I have termux on one of my tablets and can't find a good client..
If you use slrn on your laptops/desktops, then can't you just build it
on Termux? Shouldn't be too hard.
I don't use slrn myself (but tin), but AFAIK the current main slrn
website is <http://slrn.info>.
I tried, but is missing libraries, and is arm procesor so a ton of
errors
I downloaded the source and compiled it myself. For Termux (Linux under Android; minor edits required but if it works there...)
GitHub - jedsoft/slrn: A multi-platform Usenet client https://github.com/jedsoft/slrn
Listing of diffs:
diff --git a/src/misc.c b/src/misc.c
index d6b1886..555e0cd 100644
--- a/src/misc.c
+++ b/src/misc.c
@@ -373,7 +373,7 @@ void slrn_verror (char *fmt, va_list ap)
{
va_list ap1;
- VA_COPY(ap1, ap);
+ va_copy(ap1, ap);
if ((Slrn_TT_Initialized & SLRN_SMG_INIT) == 0)
{
@@ -1022,7 +1022,7 @@ FILE *slrn_open_tmpfile_in_dir (char *dir, char *file, size_t n)
else if (i)
break;
- fd = open (file, O_WRONLY | O_CREAT | O_EXCL, S_IREAD | S_IWRITE);
+ fd = open (file, O_WRONLY | O_CREAT | O_EXCL, S_IRUSR | S_IWUSR);
if (fd != -1)
{
if (NULL == (fp = fdopen (fd, "w")))
diff --git a/src/snprintf.c b/src/snprintf.c
index 8bed6b4..2c9890a 100644
--- a/src/snprintf.c
+++ b/src/snprintf.c
@@ -103,7 +103,7 @@ char *slrn_strdup_vprintf (const char *format, va_list args1) /*{{{*/
if (format == NULL) return NULL;
- VA_COPY (args2, args1);
+ va_copy (args2, args1);
buffer = slrn_safe_malloc (printf_string_upper_bound (format, args1));
On 2024-04-28, De ongekruisigde (ds.) <ongekruisigde@gekruisigden.invalid> wrote:
I downloaded the source and compiled it myself. For Termux (Linux under
Android; minor edits required but if it works there...)
Yes indeed, thank so much for this patch! I will try to compile it again later.
Thanks again, I am glad to be back in usenet again after 20 years ;) you
just made my day.
GitHub - jedsoft/slrn: A multi-platform Usenet client
https://github.com/jedsoft/slrn
Listing of diffs:
diff --git a/src/misc.c b/src/misc.c
index d6b1886..555e0cd 100644
--- a/src/misc.c
+++ b/src/misc.c
@@ -373,7 +373,7 @@ void slrn_verror (char *fmt, va_list ap)
{
va_list ap1;
- VA_COPY(ap1, ap);
+ va_copy(ap1, ap);
if ((Slrn_TT_Initialized & SLRN_SMG_INIT) == 0)
{
@@ -1022,7 +1022,7 @@ FILE *slrn_open_tmpfile_in_dir (char *dir, char *file, size_t n)
else if (i)
break;
- fd = open (file, O_WRONLY | O_CREAT | O_EXCL, S_IREAD | S_IWRITE);
+ fd = open (file, O_WRONLY | O_CREAT | O_EXCL, S_IRUSR | S_IWUSR);
if (fd != -1)
{
if (NULL == (fp = fdopen (fd, "w")))
diff --git a/src/snprintf.c b/src/snprintf.c
index 8bed6b4..2c9890a 100644
--- a/src/snprintf.c
+++ b/src/snprintf.c
@@ -103,7 +103,7 @@ char *slrn_strdup_vprintf (const char *format, va_list args1) /*{{{*/
if (format == NULL) return NULL;
- VA_COPY (args2, args1);
+ va_copy (args2, args1);
buffer = slrn_safe_malloc (printf_string_upper_bound (format, args1)); >>
But what about client?
1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux
2. It shouldn't necessarily be mail client for its main purpose (I tried claws but feel unsure
about it for that sake)
3. It would be good if it is lightweight enough (Thunderbird seems a bit too fat already but not too much if you say it is definitely the best choice).
On 2024-04-28, De ongekruisigde (ds.) <ongekruisigde@gekruisigden.invalid> wrote:[snip]
I downloaded the source and compiled it myself. For Termux (Linux under
Android; minor edits required but if it works there...)
Yes indeed, thank so much for this patch! I will try to compile it again later.
Thanks again, I am glad to be back in usenet again after 20 years ;) you
just made my day.
candycanearter07 wrote:
rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-04-28, De ongekruisigde (ds.) wrote:[snip]
I downloaded the source and compiled it myself. For Termux (Linux under >> >> Android; minor edits required but if it works there...)
Yes indeed, thank so much for this patch! I will try to compile it again >> > later.
Thanks again, I am glad to be back in usenet again after 20 years ;) you >> > just made my day.
Welcome back!
It's always good to see the return of prodigal sons (and daughters).
It must be time to barbecue the fatted calf. ≈:o)
candycanearter07 wrote:
[...]
Welcome back!
It's always good to see the return of prodigal sons (and daughters).
It must be time to barbecue the fatted calf. ≈:o)
what?
Just a weak attempt at a joke - it's a Bible reference.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Prodigal_Son>
On 2024-04-26, Richard <legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com> wrote:
[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
rodion_gork@mail.ru (RodionGork) spake the secret code >><353106c549c5267814e3e2c71aff0b10@www.novabbs.com> thusly:
But what about client?
I like trn. It's available through most linux package managers.
I like it so much that I'm hacking on it to improve it: >><https://github.com/LegalizeAdulthood/trn>
Where can we find this changes?
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