• Re: [OT] Be careful updating Thunderbird!

    From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Wed Oct 18 13:37:35 2023
    On 10/18/23 12:46, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
    Thunderbird/45.0

    $DRIFT ON

    Does that ("20100101" and "45.0") indeed indicate that you've frozen Thunderbird at an (very) old version?

    If so, good. Currently there are lots of reports (in the Windows
    groups), that the latest major update, v115, is severely broken,
    probably mostly for news, but maybe also for e-mail. (FWIW, I use
    60.9.0).

    To all: This is just an off-topic warning. Please move any responses
    to an appropriate group. Thanks.

    Now we resume our regular programming.

    $DRIFT OFF

    Does anyone know what kind of issues are in TB 115?
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  • From The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 23 11:13:41 2023
    On 10/18/23 18:37, candycanearter07 wrote:
    On 10/18/23 12:46, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 >>>   Thunderbird/45.0

    $DRIFT ON

       Does that ("20100101" and "45.0") indeed indicate that you've frozen
    Thunderbird at an (very) old version?

       If so, good. Currently there are lots of reports (in the Windows
    groups), that the latest major update, v115, is severely broken,
    probably mostly for news, but maybe also for e-mail. (FWIW, I use
    60.9.0).

       To all: This is just an off-topic warning. Please move any responses
    to an appropriate group. Thanks.

       Now we resume our regular programming.

    $DRIFT OFF

    Does anyone know what kind of issues are in TB 115?
    For me the UI has become so bad I can't use it anymore. I'm frozen at
    102 on my desktop until that updates. Then, I'll have to figure out
    claws or sylpheed, because kmail seems incapable of something super
    basic I need on one of my IMAP boxes...
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  • From Kenny McCormack@21:1/5 to no@thanks.net on Fri Oct 27 10:23:22 2023
    In article <ugp8lf$3q3jp$1@dont-email.me>,
    candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
    ...
    To all: This is just an off-topic warning. Please move any responses
    to an appropriate group. Thanks.

    Since this newsgroup is about newsreaders and Thunderbird is (can be) a newsreader, then this would be on-topic here.

    Note, however, that I don't use Thunderbird for news; only mail, but still,
    see my comments below.

    Now we resume our regular programming.

    $DRIFT OFF

    Does anyone know what kind of issues are in TB 115?

    It seems to be mostly a case of "fixing things that aren't broken", aka, "Change for change's sake", aka, "The prime directive of software is:
    "Change or die".

    Though, to be fair, I might hazard a guess that, as is often the case these days, the changes were oriented towards making things better for people
    using smartphones; the general theory being that "nobody uses computers anymore; everything is smartphones".

    That all said, my main complaint about the new TB has to do with fontsizes.
    I use it for email, running on a computer hooked up to a 55" TV across the
    room from where I sit, so the type has to be big enough to read from my
    chair. In earlier versions, it "just worked". In the new version,
    everything is too small (by default). I was able to jack up the font size
    in the main display, to the point where it is readable, but it looks funny
    (the type is so big that it "overflows" the space allocated for it).

    But, the real problem is when you open an email; the type is so small as to
    be unreadable. Now, in the earlier version, you could hit Ctrl/+ a few
    times and it would be fixed. In the new version, Ctrl/+ doesn't work; you
    have to do Alt/V, z, i (which is a pain to type). After you've done Alt/Vzi, then Ctrl/+ works. But Ctrl/+ never works the first time (per email).

    Update/workaround: I've since discovered that Ctrl/ScrollWheel works and is easier to do than Alt/Vzi. But still not as convenient as Ctrl/+

    And here's another one: Since the "upgrade", it periodically throws an
    error trying to poll an old (unused) email address. You then have to
    "click away" a few rounds of error message boxes. It never did this in the
    old version.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Kenny McCormack on Sat Oct 28 17:39:54 2023
    Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
    In article <ugp8lf$3q3jp$1@dont-email.me>,
    candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
    ...
    To all: This is just an off-topic warning. Please move any responses
    to an appropriate group. Thanks.

    Since this newsgroup is about newsreaders and Thunderbird is (can be) a newsreader, then this would be on-topic here.

    My post was to comp.mobile.android, hence my comment about it being off-topic.

    candycanearter07 responded to my post, but *changed* comp.mobile.android
    to news.software.readers, instead of *adding* it (and adding a
    Followup-To), so it was unclear that the discussion came from somewhere
    else, let alone from where.

    Note, however, that I don't use Thunderbird for news; only mail, but still, see my comments below.

    As I mentioned, please see the existing threads in the Windows groups,
    mostly alt.comp.os.windows-10. There's also a specific group for
    Thunderbird (alt.comp.software.thunderbird). I see that you probably use Linux/Unix. If so, the latter group may be better for you.

    [...]

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Sat Oct 28 14:51:17 2023
    On 10/28/23 12:39, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
    In article <ugp8lf$3q3jp$1@dont-email.me>,
    candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
    ...
    To all: This is just an off-topic warning. Please move any responses >>>> to an appropriate group. Thanks.

    Since this newsgroup is about newsreaders and Thunderbird is (can be) a
    newsreader, then this would be on-topic here.

    My post was to comp.mobile.android, hence my comment about it being off-topic.

    candycanearter07 responded to my post, but *changed* comp.mobile.android to news.software.readers, instead of *adding* it (and adding a
    Followup-To), so it was unclear that the discussion came from somewhere
    else, let alone from where.

    Note, however, that I don't use Thunderbird for news; only mail, but still, >> see my comments below.

    As I mentioned, please see the existing threads in the Windows groups, mostly alt.comp.os.windows-10. There's also a specific group for
    Thunderbird (alt.comp.software.thunderbird). I see that you probably use Linux/Unix. If so, the latter group may be better for you.

    [...]

    Sorry
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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to no@thanks.net on Sun Oct 29 11:08:50 2023
    candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
    On 10/28/23 12:39, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
    In article <ugp8lf$3q3jp$1@dont-email.me>,
    candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
    ...
    To all: This is just an off-topic warning. Please move any responses >>>> to an appropriate group. Thanks.

    Since this newsgroup is about newsreaders and Thunderbird is (can be) a
    newsreader, then this would be on-topic here.

    My post was to comp.mobile.android, hence my comment about it being off-topic.

    candycanearter07 responded to my post, but *changed* comp.mobile.android to news.software.readers, instead of *adding* it (and adding a Followup-To), so it was unclear that the discussion came from somewhere else, let alone from where.

    Note, however, that I don't use Thunderbird for news; only mail, but still,
    see my comments below.

    As I mentioned, please see the existing threads in the Windows groups, mostly alt.comp.os.windows-10. There's also a specific group for Thunderbird (alt.comp.software.thunderbird). I see that you probably use Linux/Unix. If so, the latter group may be better for you.

    [...]

    Sorry

    No problem. Your 'error' was already covered in comp.mobile.android,
    but Kenny didn't/couldn't know that, so I explained what happened.

    BTW, when responding, please respond at the point where your comment
    applies, not at the bottom. For many (most?) people, bottom-posting is
    even worse than top-posting, because they have to scroll past text which
    they probably have seen very recently. In most cases, interleaved
    posting (quote, response, quote. response) is the best way.

    So in this case, your comment should have come after your quote of my "candycanearter07 responded ..." paragraph and you should have deleted
    the rest, because it's not relevant to my or your comment.

    Keep watching what others do and you'll get there.

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