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    From Jason Evans@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 7 20:01:32 2021
    I recently saw mention of some great discussions in
    net.subculture.usenet. I was able to read some of them from the
    archive.org Usenet archives and I was surprised to see that the isc list
    still contains groups in the net.* hierarchy.

    I thought all of the newsgroups in that hierarchy went away after the
    great renaming like to many others or converted to big-7 groups.
    Obviously I was wrong. I would like to know, out of curiosity, if anyone
    is responsible for that hierarchy or if it has been abandoned.


    --
    JE

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  • From Thomas Hochstein@21:1/5 to Jason Evans on Mon Jun 7 23:18:31 2021
    Jason Evans wrote:

    I was surprised to see that the isc list
    still contains groups in the net.* hierarchy.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_II>

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  • From Jason Evans@21:1/5 to Thomas Hochstein on Tue Jun 8 05:22:39 2021
    On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 23:18:31 +0200, Thomas Hochstein wrote:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_II>

    OIC. I didn't realize that's what that was. That's very interesting.



    --
    JE

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=c3=89LIE?=@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 8 14:38:42 2021
    Hi Jason,

    I was surprised to see that the isc list
    still contains groups in the net.* hierarchy.

    The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW. These two URL do
    not seem relevant any longer:
    URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
    Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/control@usenet2.org.asc

    Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?


    Obviously I was wrong. I would like to know, out of curiosity, if anyone
    is responsible for that hierarchy or if it has been abandoned.

    In control.ctl, net.* has historic state, "almost entirely abandoned".
    Maybe it is now totally abandoned?
    http://usenet.trigofacile.com/hierarchies/index.py?see=NET

    --
    Julien ÉLIE

    « Ta remise sur pied lui a fait perdre la tête ! » (Astérix)

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  • From Jason Evans@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 8 16:05:49 2021
    On Tue, 08 Jun 2021 14:38:42 +0200, Julien ÉLIE wrote:


    Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?


    Wayback Machine is the only thing left:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20050818051326/http://www.usenet2.org/


    --
    JE

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  • From Thomas Hochstein@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 8 23:53:48 2021
    Julien ÉLIE schrieb:

    The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW. These two URL do
    not seem relevant any longer:
    URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
    Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/control@usenet2.org.asc

    They disappeared about 10 years ago.

    Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

    I don't think so.

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  • From Rink@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 15 14:51:29 2021
    Op 8-6-2021 om 23:53 schreef Thomas Hochstein:
    Julien ÉLIE schrieb:

    The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW. These two URL do
    not seem relevant any longer:
    URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
    Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/control@usenet2.org.asc

    They disappeared about 10 years ago.

    Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

    I don't think so.



    I googled and found this site:

    <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/soundness-inn.html>

    But I do not understand much of it and I do not know if this is what you
    were looking for.
    (I am not a computer / internet / usenet expert, just an user)

    Rink

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=c3=89LIE?=@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 15 16:39:22 2021
    Hi Rink,

    The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW.  These two URL do >>> not seem relevant any longer:
        URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
        Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/control@usenet2.org.asc

    They disappeared about 10 years ago.

    Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

    I googled and found this site:

    <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/soundness-inn.html>

    But I do not understand much of it and I do not know if this is what you
    were looking for.

    Thanks for the pointer, I've just read that page I did not know. It
    indeed gives more background about Usenet II. Pretty interesting for
    historic purpose.
    Yet, it was not exactly what I was looking for; this is more a FAQ and
    how to configure a news server to carry Usenet II than an official homepage.
    It appears from discussions in this thread that such a homepage no
    longer exists. RIP.

    --
    Julien ÉLIE

    « Open the black window and type text, to fix the network. »

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  • From Russ Allbery@21:1/5 to iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid on Sun Jun 27 20:03:25 2021
    Julien ÉLIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> writes:

    Yet, it was not exactly what I was looking for; this is more a FAQ and
    how to configure a news server to carry Usenet II than an official
    homepage. It appears from discussions in this thread that such a
    homepage no longer exists. RIP.

    Yeah, Usenet II was a failed experiment. It was active for a while, but everyone slowly went elsewhere, mostly to another private hierarchy with
    less ambitious goals and a much smaller number of peering news servers.

    I've updated control.ctl to remove the legacy control information and make
    it clearer that no one is using the hierarchy any more.

    --
    Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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  • From Jason Evans@21:1/5 to Russ Allbery on Tue Jun 29 09:48:39 2021
    On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 20:03:25 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:

    Yeah, Usenet II was a failed experiment. It was active for a while, but everyone slowly went elsewhere, mostly to another private hierarchy with
    less ambitious goals and a much smaller number of peering news servers.

    That's sad. It seemed like an interesting project. The archives of net hierarchy that I've been reading are here if anyone is interested: https://archive.org/download/usenet-net

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  • From Thomas Hochstein@21:1/5 to Jason Evans on Wed Jun 30 00:35:50 2021
    Jason Evans wrote:

    The archives of net
    hierarchy that I've been reading are here if anyone is interested: https://archive.org/download/usenet-net

    I think that's not the net.* from Usenet II, but the (older) net.*
    from before the Great Renaming. Those groups became the Big7 (later
    Big8), so net.* had been re-purposed later on for Usenet II.

    -thh

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  • From Jason Evans@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 30 07:11:39 2021
    I think that's not the net.* from Usenet II, but the (older) net.*
    from before the Great Renaming. Those groups became the Big7 (later
    Big8), so net.* had been re-purposed later on for Usenet II.

    -thh

    It's both. I had been reading net.subculture.usenet which is a Usenet II
    newsgroup.

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  • From Thomas Hochstein@21:1/5 to Jason Evans on Wed Jun 30 09:47:02 2021
    Jason Evans schrieb:

    It's both. I had been reading net.subculture.usenet which is a Usenet II
    newsgroup.

    Ah, good to know. I'll have a look, then, again.

    -thh

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