I know the beeping is good otherwise bad ppl could sneak a AirTag into some body's car or something and stalk them. Its just sometimes the beeping isn't helpful to good ppl. Should I forget this idea?
Hi.
We're going to move and I thought I might put an AirTag in some of our
stuff so we know where our stuff is. But it will start beeping after a
day or so and drive the movers crazy right? I mean even if they can't
hear it in the cab they will when they unload some body else's stuff
in the back. If they went straight to our new place it might be less
than a day but I don't think that will happen it could be a few days.
I read some articles about ppl who put AirTags in their airplane
luggage but doesn't that make them start beeping before you pick them
up unless its a short flight?
I know the beeping is good otherwise bad ppl could sneak a AirTag into
some body's car or something and stalk them. Its just sometimes the
beeping isn't helpful to good ppl. Should I forget this idea?
Hi.unload some body else's stuff in the back. If they went straight to our new place it might be less than a day but I don't think that will happen it could be a few days.
We're going to move and I thought I might put an AirTag in some of our stuff so we know where our stuff is. But it will start beeping after a day or so and drive the movers crazy right? I mean even if they can't hear it in the cab they will when they
I read some articles about ppl who put AirTags in their airplane luggage but doesn't that make them start beeping before you pick them up unless its a short flight?
I know the beeping is good otherwise bad ppl could sneak a AirTag into some body's car or something and stalk them. Its just sometimes the beeping isn't helpful to good ppl. Should I forget this idea?
Thank you every body. I don't have an AirTag so I don't know how loud
they are so I wondered if it was worth buying one. It sounds like it
will not be a problem. I won't disable the beeper I'll just wrap it up
like Alan suggested.
Only thing to care about is that it is not enclosed in metal which
isn't likely. I have one buried in my car's trunk under the spare -
it's "found" many times per day.
Thank you every body. I don't have an AirTag so I don't know how loud they are so I wondered if it was worth buying one. It sounds like it will not be a problem. I won't disable the beeper I'll just wrap it up like Alan suggested.
Oh I guess if its going in something else I don't need a holder right?
Maybe I'll get a 4-pack and then I might want some kind of holder for
some. Do you ppl use holders?
Remember how an AirTag works. It has to connect to a Bluetooth device. There's no GPS and no cellular radio.
Inside a steel moving van, with no phones to connect to via Bluetooth,
you probably won't be able to track it along the way. When the stuff is unloaded then the AirTag may be able to connect to a phone somewhere.
What you might want to do instead is to obtain a cheap Android phone,
and install an SMS/GPS app. You send an SMS to the phone and it responds
with an SMS with the longitude and latitude of the device. It's a poor
man's LoJack.
Right. I'm of the opinion unless it's deep inside Fort Knox that's not a
huge concern. I have an AirPod I keep tucked into a Zero Haliburton
metal case with a bunch of encrypted backup drives I store off site, and
even when it's in the trunk of the car ready for transport to the
off-site location, its signal still gets picked up regularly by anyone passing by with an Apple device, even with two layers of a few different kinds of metal surrounding it. : )
In article <k2h07a...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
Right. I'm of the opinion unless it's deep inside Fort Knox that's not a huge concern. I have an AirPod I keep tucked into a Zero Haliburtonwell, our resident expert said it won't work inside a vehicle, so how
metal case with a bunch of encrypted backup drives I store off site, and even when it's in the trunk of the car ready for transport to the
off-site location, its signal still gets picked up regularly by anyone passing by with an Apple device, even with two layers of a few different kinds of metal surrounding it. : )
could it possibly work inside a metal case which is inside a vehicle?
surely he can't be wrong yet again. can he??
On 2023-01-15, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh I guess if its going in something else I don't need a holder right? Maybe I'll get a 4-pack and then I might want some kind of holder for some. Do you ppl use holders?I don't bother with a case for the ones I keep in the glove box or
suitcase. I probably would get one of those NES key chain holders if I attached one to a key chain though:
<https://www.amazon.com/elago-Keychain-Compatible-Apple-AirTags/dp/B09HBMWM9S>
: )
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In article <k2h07aF7gdpU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
Right. I'm of the opinion unless it's deep inside Fort Knox that's
not a huge concern. I have an AirPod I keep tucked into a Zero
Haliburton metal case with a bunch of encrypted backup drives I store
off site, and even when it's in the trunk of the car ready for
transport to the off-site location, its signal still gets picked up
regularly by anyone passing by with an Apple device, even with two
layers of a few different kinds of metal surrounding it. : )
well, our resident expert said it won't work inside a vehicle
On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 6:23:05 PM UTC-8, nospam wrote:
In article <k2h07a...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
Right. I'm of the opinion unless it's deep inside Fort Knox that'swell, our resident expert said it won't work inside a vehicle, so how
not a huge concern. I have an AirPod I keep tucked into a Zero
Haliburton metal case with a bunch of encrypted backup drives I
store off site, and even when it's in the trunk of the car ready
for transport to the off-site location, its signal still gets
picked up regularly by anyone passing by with an Apple device, even
with two layers of a few different kinds of metal surrounding it. :
)
could it possibly work inside a metal case which is inside a vehicle?
surely he can't be wrong yet again. can he??
Boy what he said was sure convoluted! I think I'll stick with an
Airtag!
On 1/14/2023 4:00 PM, Connor Shannon wrote:
Thank you every body. I don't have an AirTag so I don't know how loud
they are so I wondered if it was worth buying one. It sounds like it
will not be a problem. I won't disable the beeper I'll just wrap it
up like Alan suggested.
Remember how an AirTag works. It has to connect to a Bluetooth device. There's no GPS and no cellular radio.
Inside a steel moving van, with no phones to connect to via Bluetooth,
you probably won't be able to track it along the way.
What you might want to do instead is to obtain a cheap Android phone,
On 1/14/2023 5:10 PM, sms wrote:
<snip>
Note that Whizz must be installed on both phones, so you'd need
another Android device to use as well.
Not sure how well this works
Oh I guess if its going in something else I don't need a holder right? Maybe I'll get a 4-pack and then I might want some kind of holder for some. Do you ppl use holders?
On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 4:43:05 PM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:apart with FindMy but still it will be good to tell them apart by looking at them and those elago cases don't let you see the back. Thank you for the suggestion.
On 2023-01-15, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh I guess if its going in something else I don't need a holder right?I don't bother with a case for the ones I keep in the glove box or
Maybe I'll get a 4-pack and then I might want some kind of holder for
some. Do you ppl use holders?
suitcase. I probably would get one of those NES key chain holders if I
attached one to a key chain though:
<https://www.amazon.com/elago-Keychain-Compatible-Apple-AirTags/dp/B09HBMWM9S>
: )
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Hmmm I guess I was never in to that. I looked at there store and they have other designs like the Shuffle I like Shuffles but I found some Belkins where you can see the back. If I'm getting 4 then I can tell them apart. Okay, I know I can tell them
On 1/14/2023 7:31 PM, Connor Shannon wrote:
<snip>
Boy what he said was sure convoluted! I think I'll stick with an Airtag!
Actually it's quite easy.
On 2023-01-15, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
On 1/14/2023 5:10 PM, sms wrote:
<snip>
Note that Whizz must be installed on both phones, so you'd need
another Android device to use as well.
This dip shit troll wants you to buy not one, but two, Android devices
to do what a single AirTag will do (and they almost certainly won't do
nearly as good of a job at it since Apple's Find My network is much more extensive).
Boy what he said was sure convoluted! I think I'll stick with an Airtag!
On 1/14/2023 4:00 PM, Connor Shannon wrote:
Thank you every body. I don't have an AirTag so I don't know how loud
they are so I wondered if it was worth buying one. It sounds like it
will not be a problem. I won't disable the beeper I'll just wrap it up
like Alan suggested.
Remember how an AirTag works. It has to connect to a Bluetooth device. There's no GPS and no cellular radio.
Inside a steel moving van, with no phones to connect to via Bluetooth,
you probably won't be able to track it along the way. When the stuff is unloaded then the AirTag may be able to connect to a phone somewhere.
What you might want to do instead is to obtain a cheap Android phone,
and install an SMS/GPS app. You send an SMS to the phone and it responds
with an SMS with the longitude and latitude of the device. It's a poor
man's LoJack.
On 1/14/2023 7:31 PM, Connor Shannon wrote:
<snip>
Boy what he said was sure convoluted! I think I'll stick with an
Airtag!
Actually it's quite easy. I tried the SMS Locator App using two
Android devices it worked perfectly and it uses no data at all. The
app does not have to be open on the target phone, you just have to
launch it to set up the contacts that are allowed to query the
location.
An AirTag depends on crowd-sourced locating, there must be someone
with an iPhone in range.
They're great to use at home and at work, at airports, or any place
where there are likely to be a lot of people with iPhones around.
For tracking shipments, companies use GPS/Cellular devices, i.e. <https://logistimatics.com/products/asset-432/>. With an Airtag you'll
likely never get any tracking information on the shipment.
There also may be sufficient leakage around door seams to get a
signal. A lot of newer dryvan trailers use composite materials for the
roof to reduce weight
On 2023-01-14, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Only thing to care about is that it is not enclosed in metal which
isn't likely. I have one buried in my car's trunk under the spare -
it's "found" many times per day.
Right. I'm of the opinion unless it's deep inside Fort Knox that's not a
huge concern. I have an AirPod I keep tucked into a Zero Haliburton
metal case with a bunch of encrypted backup drives I store off site, and
even when it's in the trunk of the car ready for transport to the
off-site location, its signal still gets picked up regularly by anyone passing by with an Apple device, even with two layers of a few different kinds of metal surrounding it. : )
Boy what he said was sure convoluted! I think I'll stick with an Airtag!
Actually it's quite easy.
I tried the SMS Locator App using two Android
devices it worked perfectly and it uses no data at all. The app does not
have to be open on the target phone, you just have to launch it to set
up the contacts that are allowed to query the location.
An AirTag depends on crowd-sourced locating, there must be someone with
an iPhone in range.
They're great to use at home and at work, at
airports, or any place where there are likely to be a lot of people with iPhones around.
For tracking shipments, companies use GPS/Cellular
devices,
With an
Airtag you'll likely never get any tracking information on the shipment.
While a fully sealed steel and aluminum dryvan trailer would act as a
Faraday Cage when the doors are all closed,
moving vans usually have
multiple doors on the rear and sides that are opened as they pick up and
drop off loads, so you'd at least have some location updates.
There also
may be sufficient leakage around door seams to get a signal. A lot of
newer dryvan trailers use composite materials for the roof to reduce
weight,
though you can't count on that.
On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 12:10:25 +1100, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
<https://www.hsn.com/products/tcl-a3-tracfone-bundle-with-1500-mintextdata/20689899> and you can get $10 off with a promo code, so $39.99. Includes a year of service. An AirTag is $29, so the cost difference is minimal.
But you'd have to add the cost of the powerbank if he doesnt have one already.
On 1/14/2023 4:00 PM, Connor Shannon wrote:
Thank you every body. I don't have an AirTag so I don't know how loud
they are so I wondered if it was worth buying one. It sounds like it
will not be a problem. I won't disable the beeper I'll just wrap it up
like Alan suggested.
Remember how an AirTag works. It has to connect to a Bluetooth device. There's no GPS and no cellular radio.
Inside a steel moving van, with no phones to connect to via Bluetooth,
you probably won't be able to track it along the way. When the stuff is unloaded then the AirTag may be able to connect to a phone somewhere.
What you might want to do instead is to obtain a cheap Android phone,
and install an SMS/GPS app. You send an SMS to the phone and it responds
with an SMS with the longitude and latitude of the device. It's a poor
man's LoJack.
See <https://whizzap.wixsite.com/whizz>. Put the Android phone in a box
in the van, with a sufficiently large power bank. Data, Wi-Fi and
Bluetooth can be turned off, and the display can be off so it should not
take much battery to keep the phone powered on for a sufficient amount
of time but I think it can't be allowed to go to sleep.
Google banned apps like this for privacy concerns so you have to
sideload it. Not available for iPhone.
Of course you could also just use Google Maps for tracking, but that
would require that data be left on on the phone and it could end up
using a lot of data. Using SMS uses no data.
<https://www.hsn.com/products/tcl-a3-tracfone-bundle-with-1500-mintextdata/20689899>
and you can get $10 off with a promo code, so $39.99. Includes a year of service. An AirTag is $29, so the cost difference is minimal.
On 2023-01-14 19:38, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-14, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Only thing to care about is that it is not enclosed in metal which
isn't likely. I have one buried in my car's trunk under the spare -
it's "found" many times per day.
Right. I'm of the opinion unless it's deep inside Fort Knox that's
not a huge concern. I have an AirPod I keep tucked into a Zero
Haliburton metal case with a bunch of encrypted backup drives I store
off site, and even when it's in the trunk of the car ready for
transport to the off-site location, its signal still gets picked up
regularly by anyone passing by with an Apple device, even with two
layers of a few different kinds of metal surrounding it. : )
Take a small cookie tin. Use copper tape to line the lip and lid
interface (tape on both the lid edge and the can edge so they contact
very well).
Do this right and you won't detect the AirTag at all, nor can you make
it ping.
You don't even need to rent Ft-Knox to try this.
Why did I try this? ... well that's a whole other story ...
In article <tq15o3$2cjt4$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
An AirTag depends on crowd-sourced locating, there must be someone
with an iPhone in range.
there are more than 1 billion iphones in active use, making this an
almost certainty.
On 2023-01-15, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
They're great to use at home and at work, at airports, or any placeNot just iPhones.
where there are likely to be a lot of people with iPhones around.
On 2023-01-15 13:33, chop wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 12:10:25 +1100, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
<https://www.hsn.com/products/tcl-a3-tracfone-bundle-with-1500-mintextdata/20689899> and you can get $10 off with a promo code, so $39.99. Includes a year of service. An AirTag is $29, so the cost difference is minimal.
But you'd have to add the cost of the powerbank if he doesnt have one
already.
- Android phone (or was it 2? I've lost track of his nonsense). $ $ $
- extra batteries (that will still die in a few days $ $
.. that are Li-ion increasing the fire risk
- need a cell phone plan (or is it 2?) $
- need to access the cell towers (if any are near)
An Air Tag is US$29. Or a 4-pack at Amazon was US$80 recently ...
Battery lasts 18 months or more
(I have 4 - 2 have gone 18 months, 2 others are still on the original batteries).
On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 8:11:59 AM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-15, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
They're great to use at home and at work, at airports, or any place
where there are likely to be a lot of people with iPhones around.
Not just iPhones.
Oh so other phones can help find them too?
On 2023-01-15, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 8:11:59 AM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-15, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
They're great to use at home and at work, at airports, or any place
where there are likely to be a lot of people with iPhones around.
Not just iPhones.
Oh so other phones can help find them too?Not just iPhones, but other Apple products as well. The Find My network
uses crowd sourcing techniques such that any nearby Apple device automatically detects any Find My-enabled devices near it and then
transmits their approximate location to Apple's iCloud servers, where it
is reported to the owners of the device. And since there are literal
billions of Apple devices on the planet, the network coverage is vast.
All of this is done in a highly secure and private manner with no
additional effort on the part of the user. It's a highly innovative and effective system. And the resident Apple-hating trolls *HATE* this. ; )
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On 2023-01-15, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-01-14 19:38, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-14, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Only thing to care about is that it is not enclosed in metal which
isn't likely. I have one buried in my car's trunk under the spare -
it's "found" many times per day.
Right. I'm of the opinion unless it's deep inside Fort Knox that's
not a huge concern. I have an AirPod I keep tucked into a Zero
Haliburton metal case with a bunch of encrypted backup drives I store
off site, and even when it's in the trunk of the car ready for
transport to the off-site location, its signal still gets picked up
regularly by anyone passing by with an Apple device, even with two
layers of a few different kinds of metal surrounding it. : )
Take a small cookie tin. Use copper tape to line the lip and lid
interface (tape on both the lid edge and the can edge so they contact
very well).
Do this right and you won't detect the AirTag at all, nor can you make
it ping.
You don't even need to rent Ft-Knox to try this.
Why did I try this? ... well that's a whole other story ...
Faraday cages do have their uses. : )
Cars, trucks, and trailers are not Faraday cages.
Oh thank you for explaining I misunderstood. Yes I think it won't be hard to track an AirTag in California LOL!The problem with an AirTag is that it's completely dependent on someone
On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 8:11:59 AM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-15, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
They're great to use at home and at work, at airports, or any placeNot just iPhones.
where there are likely to be a lot of people with iPhones around.
Oh so other phones can help find them too?
But you'd have to add the cost of the powerbank if he doesnt have one already.
On 1/15/2023 10:33 AM, chop wrote:
<snip>
But you'd have to add the cost of the powerbank if he doesnt have one
already.
Yes, that's true, perhaps. I have old Android phones that will run for
weeks when you turn off Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and when the display turns
off, but I'd probably use a power bank just to be safe, they're cheap
enough, i.e. <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B45GX5V7/>.
Using SMS based GPS tracking is especially suitable for vehicles where
you can keep a phone charged from the vehicle's 12 volt power. You sign
up for a minimal plan, even the AT&T/FreedomPop free plan (10 texts per month) is sufficient, and hide an Android phone in a place where a thief
is unlikely to look for it. It's actually better than a LoJack. With
LoJack, you can't track your vehicle, only the police can track it, and
only if they're willing to do so.
On 1/15/2023 12:17 PM, Connor Shannon wrote:
<snip>
Oh thank you for explaining I misunderstood. Yes I think it won't beThe problem with an AirTag is that it's completely dependent on someone
hard to track an AirTag in California LOL!
being close by with an iPhone.
The crowd-support works okay in some situations, not at all in others, including the one the original poster described. No one is likely to be within Bluetooth range of an AirTag inside a moving van until, perhaps,
the moving van is unloaded.
The problem with an AirTag is that it's completely dependent on someone
being close by with an iPhone.
The crowd-support works okay in some situations, not at all in others, including the one the original poster described. No one is likely to be within Bluetooth range of an AirTag inside a moving van until, perhaps,
the moving van is unloaded.
Shipment tracking via GPS and cellular is pretty common for high-value shipments. Airtags are cheap, but they're not a good way to track shipments.
On 1/15/2023 12:17 PM, Connor Shannon wrote:
<snip>
Oh thank you for explaining I misunderstood. Yes I think it won't be hard to track an AirTag in California LOL!The problem with an AirTag is that it's completely dependent on someone being close by with an iPhone.
The crowd-support works okay in some situations, not at all in others, including the one the original poster described. No one is likely to be within Bluetooth range of an AirTag inside a moving van until, perhaps,
the moving van is unloaded.
Shipment tracking via GPS and cellular is pretty common for high-value shipments. Airtags are cheap, but they're not a good way to track shipments.
On 2023-01-16 03:01, SMS wrote:
On 1/15/2023 12:17 PM, Connor Shannon wrote:
<snip>
Oh thank you for explaining I misunderstood. Yes I think it won't beThe problem with an AirTag is that it's completely dependent on someone being close by with an iPhone.
hard to track an AirTag in California LOL!
The crowd-support works okay in some situations, not at all in others, including the one the original poster described. No one is likely to be within Bluetooth range of an AirTag inside a moving van until, perhaps, the moving van is unloaded.The need isn't to track it in real time, but to know where it is from
time to time - such as when the truck stops for fuel or at a warehouse.
In the meantime it will get pings off of random iPhones in cars going by
on the highway - and as soon as that iPhone is near a cell tower (if not already), the last position of the hit will be relayed.
Be sure to report back how well it works when you do it.
On 1/15/2023 12:17 PM, Connor Shannon wrote:
<snip>
Oh thank you for explaining I misunderstood. Yes I think it won't be
hard to track an AirTag in California LOL!
The problem with an AirTag is that it's completely dependent on someone
being close by with an iPhone.
The crowd-support works okay in some situations, not at all in others, including the one the original poster described. No one is likely to be within Bluetooth range of an AirTag inside a moving van until, perhaps,
the moving van is unloaded.
Shipment tracking via GPS and cellular is pretty common for high-value shipments.
Airtags are cheap, but they're not a good way to track shipments.
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 12:01:07 AM UTC-8, SMS wrote:
On 1/15/2023 12:17 PM, Connor Shannon wrote:
<snip>
Oh thank you for explaining I misunderstood. Yes I think it won't behard to track an AirTag in California LOL!
The problem with an AirTag is that it's completely dependent on someone
being close by with an iPhone.
The crowd-support works okay in some situations, not at all in others,
including the one the original poster described. No one is likely to be
within Bluetooth range of an AirTag inside a moving van until, perhaps,
the moving van is unloaded.
Shipment tracking via GPS and cellular is pretty common for high-value
shipments. Airtags are cheap, but they're not a good way to track
shipments.
I am the OP and from what every body else said a AirTag will work fine
for me. Even if no body picks up the signal while the truck is moving
(but that might happen)
like I said there will be other ppls stuff in the truck and so the door
will be open sometimes to unload their stuff. I don't need to know where
our stuff is minute by minute!
Alan you are right and a lot of the time the truck will be on the biggest freeway on the West Coast! (Depending on where else it needs to go.) There will be plenty of cell towers and other ppl driving by! sms seems to think we are moving to theboondocks LOL!
On 1/16/2023 9:09 AM, Connor Shannon wrote:
<snip>
Alan you are right and a lot of the time the truck will be on the
biggest freeway on the West Coast! (Depending on where else it needs
to go.) There will be plenty of cell towers and other ppl driving by!
sms seems to think we are moving to the boondocks LOL!
Yes, when the shipment is unloaded at a warehouse it will likely be trackable.
It will not be trackable inside the moving moving van no matter how many
cell towers are nearby and no matter how many people drive by next to
the truck, the Bluetooth will never connect.
It's possible that as other people's stuff is loaded or unloaded that a worker may have an iPhone that the AirTag connects to.
On 1/16/2023 9:16 AM, chop wrote:
The problem with your alternative is that the battery life is
vastly worse and for iphone users, vastly more expensive
since 2 android phones are needed and a massive power
bank, to get a very short time before there is no power for
the phone being tracked.
Not true. For example, an el-cheapo Samsung A03, on standby, is rated at
122 hours (5 days) with it's 5000mAH battery. Add an inexpensive 15,000
mAH power bank and you quadruple the standby time.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 19:01:05 +1100, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
On 1/15/2023 12:17 PM, Connor Shannon wrote:
<snip>
Oh thank you for explaining I misunderstood. Yes I think it won't be
hard to track an AirTag in California LOL!
The problem with an AirTag is that it's completely dependent on
someone being close by with an iPhone.
Any iDevice in fact.
The problem with your alternative is that the battery life is
vastly worse and for iphone users, vastly more expensive
since 2 android phones are needed and a massive power
bank, to get a very short time before there is no power for
the phone being tracked.
On 2023-01-16 14:54, sms wrote:
...
You're really failing at the "simple solution to a simple problem" game.
It will not be trackable inside the moving moving van no matter how many
cell towers are nearby and no matter how many people drive by next to
the truck, the Bluetooth will never connect.
On 1/16/2023 9:09 AM, Connor Shannon wrote:
<snip>
Alan you are right and a lot of the time the truck will be on the
biggest freeway on the West Coast! (Depending on where else it needs to
go.) There will be plenty of cell towers and other ppl driving by! sms
seems to think we are moving to the boondocks LOL!
Yes, when the shipment is unloaded at a warehouse it will likely be trackable.
It will not be trackable inside the moving moving van no matter how many
cell towers are nearby and no matter how many people drive by next to
the truck, the Bluetooth will never connect.
It's possible that as other people's stuff is loaded or unloaded that a worker may have an iPhone that the AirTag connects to.
On 2023-01-16 03:01, SMS wrote:
On 1/15/2023 12:17 PM, Connor Shannon wrote:
<snip>
Oh thank you for explaining I misunderstood. Yes I think it won't beThe problem with an AirTag is that it's completely dependent on
hard to track an AirTag in California LOL!
someone being close by with an iPhone.
The crowd-support works okay in some situations, not at all in
others, including the one the original poster described. No one is
likely to be within Bluetooth range of an AirTag inside a moving van
until, perhaps, the moving van is unloaded.
The need isn't to track it in real time, but to know where it is from
time to time - such as when the truck stops for fuel or at a
warehouse.
In the meantime it will get pings off of random iPhones in cars going
by on the highway - and as soon as that iPhone is near a cell tower
(if not already), the last position of the hit will be relayed.
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 9:25:32 AM UTC-8, chop wrote:
Be sure to report back how well it works when you do it.
Oh sure I will be happy to do that it won't be for a couple months
though.
On 1/16/2023 9:09 AM, Connor Shannon wrote:
<snip>
Alan you are right and a lot of the time the truck will be on the
biggest freeway on the West Coast! (Depending on where else it needs
to go.) There will be plenty of cell towers and other ppl driving by!
sms seems to think we are moving to the boondocks LOL!
Yes, when the shipment is unloaded at a warehouse it will likely be trackable.
It will not be trackable inside the moving moving van no matter how
many cell towers are nearby and no matter how many people drive by
next to the truck, the Bluetooth will never connect.
It's possible that as other people's stuff is loaded or unloaded that
a worker may have an iPhone that the AirTag connects to.
On 1/16/2023 9:16 AM, chop wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 19:01:05 +1100, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote: >>> On 1/15/2023 12:17 PM, Connor Shannon wrote:
<snip>
Oh thank you for explaining I misunderstood. Yes I think it won't
be hard to track an AirTag in California LOL!
The problem with an AirTag is that it's completely dependent on
someone being close by with an iPhone.
Any iDevice in fact.
The problem with your alternative is that the battery life is vastly
worse and for iphone users, vastly more expensive since 2 android
phones are needed and a massive power bank, to get a very short time
before there is no power for the phone being tracked.
Not true. For example, an el-cheapo Samsung A03, on standby, is rated
at 122 hours (5 days) with it's 5000mAH battery. Add an inexpensive
15,000 mAH power bank and you quadruple the standby time.
In article <tq4a23$185i$1@gioia.aioe.org>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
The problem with your alternative is that the battery life is
vastly worse and for iphone users, vastly more expensive since 2
android phones are needed and a massive power bank, to get a very
short time before there is no power for the phone being tracked.
Not true. For example, an el-cheapo Samsung A03, on standby, is rated
at 122 hours (5 days) with it's 5000mAH battery. Add an inexpensive
15,000 mAH power bank and you quadruple the standby time.
it's hilarious that on one hand you claim an airtag won't work because
of a faraday cage, yet somehow an android phone in the same conditions
would work.
On 2023-01-16, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
In the meantime it will get pings off of random iPhones in cars going
by on the highway - and as soon as that iPhone is near a cell tower
(if not already), the last position of the hit will be relayed.
Not to mention that delivery truck will be driven by one or more human
beings who very well may have iPhones on them during the ride.
Meanwhile an AirTag will run a full YEAR on a battery before it needs to
be replaced, and it's a standard CR2032 which unlike lithium-ion
batteries *isn't* a fire hazard.
In article <k2m1g0Fb3tU5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
Meanwhile an AirTag will run a full YEAR on a battery before it needs to
be replaced, and it's a standard CR2032 which unlike lithium-ion
batteries *isn't* a fire hazard.
i just replaced the battery in one of my airtags, some 18 months after
buying it.
Connor, I think I probably speak for several of us here when saying I
would very much appreciate you coming back afterwards to tell us how
well it worked out for you! Real-world tests and anecdotes are quite interesting and helpful. So please do report back with your findings if possible. : )
On 2023-01-16, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
On 1/16/2023 9:09 AM, Connor Shannon wrote:
<snip>
Alan you are right and a lot of the time the truck will be on the
biggest freeway on the West Coast! (Depending on where else it needs
to go.) There will be plenty of cell towers and other ppl driving by!
sms seems to think we are moving to the boondocks LOL!
Yes, when the shipment is unloaded at a warehouse it will likely be trackable.
It will not be trackable inside the moving moving van no matter howMan, you are full of shit. Numerous people have tracked their belongings
many cell towers are nearby and no matter how many people drive by
next to the truck, the Bluetooth will never connect.
in moving trucks when moving out of state - just a couple examples:
<https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Living/military-wife-credits-apple-airtag-tracking-belongings-cross/story?id=82481092>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br8TBfjbZgI>
It's possible that as other people's stuff is loaded or unloaded thatReal-world tests show that occasionally passing cars will indeed pick up
a worker may have an iPhone that the AirTag connects to.
the signal while in route. Here's one test where they got position
updates every 2-3 minutes on the road (skip to 3:04 for the actual
test):
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpx6iHLvKDE>
I tuned in a little early for the last one and the lady mentioned
"precision finding." Do I turn that on when I set up the AirTag with my iPhone?
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 2:20:05 PM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-16, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
On 1/16/2023 9:09 AM, Connor Shannon wrote:Man, you are full of shit. Numerous people have tracked their
<snip>
Alan you are right and a lot of the time the truck will be on the
biggest freeway on the West Coast! (Depending on where else it
needs to go.) There will be plenty of cell towers and other ppl
driving by! sms seems to think we are moving to the boondocks
LOL!
Yes, when the shipment is unloaded at a warehouse it will likely be
trackable.
It will not be trackable inside the moving moving van no matter how
many cell towers are nearby and no matter how many people drive by
next to the truck, the Bluetooth will never connect.
belongings in moving trucks when moving out of state - just a couple
examples:
<https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Living/military-wife-credits-apple-airtag-tracking-belongings-cross/story?id=82481092>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br8TBfjbZgI>
It's possible that as other people's stuff is loaded or unloadedReal-world tests show that occasionally passing cars will indeed pick
that a worker may have an iPhone that the AirTag connects to.
up the signal while in route. Here's one test where they got position
updates every 2-3 minutes on the road (skip to 3:04 for the actual
test):
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpx6iHLvKDE>
Those are very interesting videos thank you Jolly Roger.
I tuned in a little early for the last one and the lady mentioned
"precision finding." Do I turn that on when I set up the AirTag with
my iPhone?
On 2023-01-16 18:50, nospam wrote:
In article <k2m1g0Fb3tU5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
be replaced, and it's a standard CR2032 which unlike lithium-ion
batteries *isn't* a fire hazard.
i just replaced the battery in one of my airtags, some 18 months after
buying it.
Out of my 4 pack: 2 batts replaced after 18 months; 2 more still going
after 20 months...
In article <k2m1g0Fb3tU5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
Meanwhile an AirTag will run a full YEAR on a battery before it needs
to be replaced, and it's a standard CR2032 which unlike lithium-ion
batteries *isn't* a fire hazard.
i just replaced the battery in one of my airtags, some 18 months after
buying it.
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 2:23:10 PM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
Connor, I think I probably speak for several of us here when saying I
would very much appreciate you coming back afterwards to tell us how
well it worked out for you! Real-world tests and anecdotes are quite
interesting and helpful. So please do report back with your findings
if possible. : )
I will be happy to do that! Ppl have been very helpful so I would like
to return the favor by letitng every body know what happened. It will
be a couple months but I won't forget!
BTW I ordered some Airtags from Apple they'll be here next week.
On 2023-01-17, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
I tuned in a little early for the last one and the lady mentioned "precision finding." Do I turn that on when I set up the AirTag withIt's built-in and automatic! Enjoy!
my iPhone?
On 2023-01-17, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
BTW I ordered some Airtags from Apple they'll be here next week.I got the 4-pack directly from Apple at $99 back in July 2021. Only
using two of them at the moment though. : )
--
In article <k2m1g0Fb3tU5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
Meanwhile an AirTag will run a full YEAR on a battery before it needs to
be replaced, and it's a standard CR2032 which unlike lithium-ion
batteries *isn't* a fire hazard.
i just replaced the battery in one of my airtags, some 18 months after
buying it.
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 6:59:42 PM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-17, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
I tuned in a little early for the last one and the lady mentioned
"precision finding." Do I turn that on when I set up the AirTag
with my iPhone?
It's built-in and automatic! Enjoy!
Hmmm, okay, the lady in the video said she DIDN"T have precision
tracking turned on or she would of found the Airtag faster so I
thought you had to turn it on somewhere.
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 7:12:39 PM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-17, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
BTW I ordered some Airtags from Apple they'll be here next week.
I got the 4-pack directly from Apple at $99 back in July 2021. Only
using two of them at the moment though. : ) --
Yeah I probably don't need four but I wanted more than one so...
[shrug]
I hardly ever misplace my keys but I'm getting older so maybe I should
put one on my keyring. :)
On 2023-01-17, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 6:59:42 PM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-17, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
I tuned in a little early for the last one and the lady mentioned
"precision finding." Do I turn that on when I set up the AirTag
with my iPhone?
It's built-in and automatic! Enjoy!
Hmmm, okay, the lady in the video said she DIDN"T have precisionShe seemed a little confused regarding how they work in general though.
tracking turned on or she would of found the Airtag faster so I
thought you had to turn it on somewhere.
It also may be that she didn't have Precise Location enabled on her
iPhone (at Settings > Privacy > Location Services > Find My).
The crowd-support works okay in some situations, not at all in others, including the one the original poster described. No one is likely to be within Bluetooth range of an AirTag inside a moving van until, perhaps,
the moving van is unloaded.
Shipment tracking via GPS and cellular is pretty common for high-value shipments.
Airtags are cheap, but they're not a good way to track shipments.
Gosh they must use superglue on the box it took me a few minutes to get it open without tearing it.
FYI my airtags arrived today. I just ordered them on Sunday! Apple said they'd get here on Jan. 25 then they said the 24th but today is only the 19th and the tracking says they just left China on the 17th. Even with engraving. Really fast.
How can I make the Airtag make a sound so I can tell when I muffle it right? I looked at Items in FindMy and I see the Airtag I activated but I don't see Play Sound like on my iPhone.
On 2023-01-19 18:21, Connor Shannon wrote:
FYI my airtags arrived today. I just ordered them on Sunday! Apple
said they'd get here on Jan. 25 then they said the 24th but today is
only the 19th and the tracking says they just left China on the 17th.
Even with engraving. Really fast.
Apple consistently under promise on delivery dates in my experience.
The "engraving" is near 0 time on the processing line.
Enjoy your tags.
One of the first things I did was put one in a very small plastic jar, wrapped it in brown electrical tape and buried it under some leaves
about 10 metres off of a trail in the woods nearby. Left it there for
a week. Lots of hits.
How can I make the Airtag make a sound so I can tell when I muffle it
right? I looked at Items in FindMy and I see the Airtag I activated but I don't see Play Sound like on my iPhone.
Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
How can I make the Airtag make a sound so I can tell when I muffle it right? I looked at Items in FindMy and I see the Airtag I activated but I don't see Play Sound like on my iPhone.You need to selected it and then it shows the option to play a sound.
On 2023-01-20, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-01-19 18:21, Connor Shannon wrote:
FYI my airtags arrived today. I just ordered them on Sunday! Apple
said they'd get here on Jan. 25 then they said the 24th but today is
only the 19th and the tracking says they just left China on the 17th.
Even with engraving. Really fast.
Apple consistently under promise on delivery dates in my experience.
The "engraving" is near 0 time on the processing line.
Enjoy your tags.
One of the first things I did was put one in a very small plastic jar,
wrapped it in brown electrical tape and buried it under some leaves
about 10 metres off of a trail in the woods nearby. Left it there for
a week. Lots of hits.
Nice experiment. : )
On 2023-01-21, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-01-20 15:02, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-20, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-01-19 18:21, Connor Shannon wrote:
FYI my airtags arrived today. I just ordered them on Sunday! Apple
said they'd get here on Jan. 25 then they said the 24th but today
is only the 19th and the tracking says they just left China on the
17th. Even with engraving. Really fast.
Apple consistently under promise on delivery dates in my experience.
The "engraving" is near 0 time on the processing line.
Enjoy your tags.
One of the first things I did was put one in a very small plastic
jar, wrapped it in brown electrical tape and buried it under some
leaves about 10 metres off of a trail in the woods nearby. Left it
there for a week. Lots of hits.
Nice experiment. : )
Fun while it lasted.
Then the evil HERSELF abducted 3 of the tags and enslaved them to monitoring her keys, car and cat.Boring in comparison, except perhaps the one on the cat! : )
After a couple months of cat monitoring it was clear that the catAh, shit... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
wasn't roaming far enough in the night to be at all interesting and I liberated that tag...
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On 2023-01-20 15:02, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-20, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-01-19 18:21, Connor Shannon wrote:
FYI my airtags arrived today. I just ordered them on Sunday! Apple
said they'd get here on Jan. 25 then they said the 24th but today
is only the 19th and the tracking says they just left China on the
17th. Even with engraving. Really fast.
Apple consistently under promise on delivery dates in my experience.
The "engraving" is near 0 time on the processing line.
Enjoy your tags.
One of the first things I did was put one in a very small plastic
jar, wrapped it in brown electrical tape and buried it under some
leaves about 10 metres off of a trail in the woods nearby. Left it
there for a week. Lots of hits.
Nice experiment. : )
Fun while it lasted.
Then the evil HERSELF abducted 3 of the tags and enslaved them to
monitoring her keys, car and cat.
After a couple months of cat monitoring it was clear that the cat
wasn't roaming far enough in the night to be at all interesting and I liberated that tag...
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 12:26:02 PM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-21, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-01-20 15:02, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-20, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-01-19 18:21, Connor Shannon wrote:
FYI my airtags arrived today. I just ordered them on Sunday!
Apple said they'd get here on Jan. 25 then they said the 24th
but today is only the 19th and the tracking says they just left
China on the 17th. Even with engraving. Really fast.
Apple consistently under promise on delivery dates in my
experience. The "engraving" is near 0 time on the processing
line.
Enjoy your tags.
One of the first things I did was put one in a very small plastic
jar, wrapped it in brown electrical tape and buried it under some
leaves about 10 metres off of a trail in the woods nearby. Left
it there for a week. Lots of hits.
Nice experiment. : )
Fun while it lasted.
Then the evil HERSELF abducted 3 of the tags and enslaved them to
monitoring her keys, car and cat.
Boring in comparison, except perhaps the one on the cat! : )
After a couple months of cat monitoring it was clear that the cat
wasn't roaming far enough in the night to be at all interesting and
I liberated that tag...
Ah, shit... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If we still had a cat I'd for sure put an AirTag on it just in case it
got out so we could know where it was and help it if it didn't come
back soon. Also sometimes cats are really good hiding INSIDE a house
so that would be handy too!
If we still had a cat I'd for sure put an AirTag on it just in case it got out so we could know where it was and help it if it didn't come back soon. Also sometimes cats are really good hiding INSIDE a house so that would be handy too!
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 12:26:02 PM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-21, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-01-20 15:02, Jolly Roger wrote:Boring in comparison, except perhaps the one on the cat! : )
On 2023-01-20, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-01-19 18:21, Connor Shannon wrote:
FYI my airtags arrived today. I just ordered them on Sunday! Apple
said they'd get here on Jan. 25 then they said the 24th but today
is only the 19th and the tracking says they just left China on the
17th. Even with engraving. Really fast.
Apple consistently under promise on delivery dates in my experience.
The "engraving" is near 0 time on the processing line.
Enjoy your tags.
One of the first things I did was put one in a very small plastic
jar, wrapped it in brown electrical tape and buried it under some
leaves about 10 metres off of a trail in the woods nearby. Left it
there for a week. Lots of hits.
Nice experiment. : )
Fun while it lasted.
Then the evil HERSELF abducted 3 of the tags and enslaved them to
monitoring her keys, car and cat.
After a couple months of cat monitoring it was clear that the catAh, shit... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
wasn't roaming far enough in the night to be at all interesting and I
liberated that tag...
--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.
JR
If we still had a cat I'd for sure put an AirTag on it just in case it
got out so we could know where it was and help it if it didn't come back soon. Also sometimes cats are really good hiding INSIDE a house so that
would be handy too!
On 2023-01-20 15:02, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-20, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-01-19 18:21, Connor Shannon wrote:
FYI my airtags arrived today. I just ordered them on Sunday! Apple
said they'd get here on Jan. 25 then they said the 24th but today is
only the 19th and the tracking says they just left China on the 17th.
Even with engraving. Really fast.
Apple consistently under promise on delivery dates in my experience.
The "engraving" is near 0 time on the processing line.
Enjoy your tags.
One of the first things I did was put one in a very small plastic jar,
wrapped it in brown electrical tape and buried it under some leaves
about 10 metres off of a trail in the woods nearby. Left it there for
a week. Lots of hits.
Nice experiment. : )
Fun while it lasted.
Then the evil HERSELF abducted 3 of the tags and enslaved them to
monitoring her keys, car and cat.
After a couple months of cat monitoring it was clear that the cat wasn't roaming far enough in the night to be at all interesting and I liberated
that tag...
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
After a couple months of cat monitoring it was clear that the cat wasn't
roaming far enough in the night to be at all interesting and I liberated
that tag...
Ours went a lot further than we ever thought. Not the lazy sod we thought
he was.
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 2:23:10 PM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
Connor, I think I probably speak for several of us here when saying I would very much appreciate you coming back afterwards to tell us howI will be happy to do that! Ppl have been very helpful so I would like to return the favor by letitng every body know what happened. It will be a couple months but I won't forget!
well it worked out for you! Real-world tests and anecdotes are quite interesting and helpful. So please do report back with your findings if possible. : )
BTW I ordered some Airtags from Apple they'll be here next week.
Connor, I think I probably speak for several of us here when saying I would very much appreciate you coming back afterwards to tell us howI will be happy to do that! Ppl have been very helpful so I would like to return the favor by letitng every body know what happened. It will be a couple months but I won't forget!
well it worked out for you! Real-world tests and anecdotes are quite interesting and helpful. So please do report back with your findings if possible. : )
BTW I ordered some Airtags from Apple they'll be here next week.
Hi I promised to report back so here I am!
We only moved a couple hundred miles but it was still in California and near one of the big freeways so the moving van was on a pretty busy road but not like around cities. we got to the new city the day before the moving van but we were busy so I didn't have time to check the Airtag a lot. but it worked really well! They loaded up and spent the night in the Bay Area so I saw it sitting at their moving company office. Then the next day when I checked I saw it making progress. I think the longest time since a hit was a couple hours. Sometimes it was just a few minutes. So every body who said it would work fine was right. :)
I have a question if somebody drove by the van that had an iPhone but they weren't near a cell tower would their iPhone hold the info and when they got near a cell tower it would say, "15 minutes ago I saw xx AirTag back at [coordinates]"? Or does the reporting only work in real time and if there's no cell signal you lose that report?
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 6:29:01 PM UTC-8, Connor Shannon wrote:t have time to check the Airtag a lot. but it worked really well! They loaded up and spent the night in the Bay Area so I saw it sitting at their moving company office. Then the next day when I checked I saw it making progress. I think the longest time
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 2:23:10 PM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
Connor, I think I probably speak for several of us here when saying II will be happy to do that! Ppl have been very helpful so I would like to return the favor by letitng every body know what happened. It will be a couple months but I won't forget!
would very much appreciate you coming back afterwards to tell us how
well it worked out for you! Real-world tests and anecdotes are quite
interesting and helpful. So please do report back with your findings if
possible. : )
BTW I ordered some Airtags from Apple they'll be here next week.
Hi I promised to report back so here I am!
We only moved a couple hundred miles but it was still in California and near one of the big freeways so the moving van was on a pretty busy road but not like around cities. we got to the new city the day before the moving van but we were busy so I didn'
I have a question if somebody drove by the van that had an iPhone but they weren't near a cell tower would their iPhone hold the info and when they got near a cell tower it would say, "15 minutes ago I saw xx AirTag back at [coordinates]"? Or does thereporting only work in real time and if there's no cell signal you lose that report?
On 3/6/2023 1:28 PM, Connor Shannon wrote:
<snip>
I have a question if somebody drove by the van that had an iPhone but
they weren't near a cell tower would their iPhone hold the info and when
they got near a cell tower it would say, "15 minutes ago I saw xx AirTag
back at [coordinates]"? Or does the reporting only work in real time and
if there's no cell signal you lose that report?
Good question, but probably not an issue either way.
I have a question if somebody drove by the van that had an iPhone but they weren't near a cell tower would their iPhone hold the info and when they got near a cell tower it would say, "15 minutes ago I saw xx AirTag back at [coordinates]"? Or does thereporting only work in real time and if there's no cell signal you lose that report?
I have a question if somebody drove by the van that had an iPhone but
they weren't near a cell tower would their iPhone hold the info and when >> they got near a cell tower it would say, "15 minutes ago I saw xx AirTag >> back at [coordinates]"? Or does the reporting only work in real time and >> if there's no cell signal you lose that report?
Good question, but probably not an issue either way.
Probably because you don't know.
Will you admit that your android/gps "solution" was overly complicated and expensive and may not have worked?
On 3/6/2023 1:28 PM, Connor Shannon wrote:
<snip>
I have a question if somebody drove by the van that had an iPhone but
they weren't near a cell tower would their iPhone hold the info and
when they got near a cell tower it would say, "15 minutes ago I saw xx
AirTag back at [coordinates]"? Or does the reporting only work in real
time and if there's no cell signal you lose that report?
Good question, but probably not an issue either way.
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
On 3/6/2023 1:28 PM, Connor Shannon wrote:
<snip>
I have a question if somebody drove by the van that had an iPhone but
they weren't near a cell tower would their iPhone hold the info and when >>> they got near a cell tower it would say, "15 minutes ago I saw xx AirTag >>> back at [coordinates]"? Or does the reporting only work in real time and >>> if there's no cell signal you lose that report?
Good question, but probably not an issue either way.
Probably because you don't know.
Will you admit that your android/gps "solution" was overly complicated and expensive and may not have worked?
On 2023-03-07 05:18, sms wrote:
On 3/6/2023 1:28 PM, Connor Shannon wrote:
<snip>
I have a question if somebody drove by the van that had an iPhone but
they weren't near a cell tower would their iPhone hold the info and
when they got near a cell tower it would say, "15 minutes ago I saw xx
AirTag back at [coordinates]"? Or does the reporting only work in real
time and if there's no cell signal you lose that report?
Good question, but probably not an issue either way.
Of course it's an issue.
If you're trying to locate a tag that is out of coverage, you're
dependent on iPhones (etc.) storing the "sighting" and reporting it once they are in coverage. Otherwise tags outside of coverage would never be found.
So, in the absences of cell/WiFi service, the iPhone stores the tag id, position and time of spotting; thence on acquiring a data path to the internet, transmit the data to Apple's server.
The phone may have retention limits (number of "sightings" kept until reported and time limits for a given sighting) but could easily keep
many thousands for quite a long time given how little memory is needed
for each sighting.
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 1:46:29 PM UTC-8, nospam wrote:
In article <bad030f7-71c5-428f...@googlegroups.com>,
Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a question if somebody drove by the van that had an iPhone but they >>> weren't near a cell tower would their iPhone hold the info and when they gotthe former. airtag pings and reporting are separate. it also can report
near a cell tower it would say, "15 minutes ago I saw xx AirTag back at
[coordinates]"? Or does the reporting only work in real time and if there's >>> no cell signal you lose that report?
via wifi.
Thank you Alan and nospam for explaining about how iphones store Airtag info.
Now I need to find something else to do with the Airtag we don't have a cat. :-)
Now I need to find something else to do with the Airtag we don't have a cat. :-)
In article <bad030f7-71c5-428f...@googlegroups.com>,
Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a question if somebody drove by the van that had an iPhone but they weren't near a cell tower would their iPhone hold the info and when they gotthe former. airtag pings and reporting are separate. it also can report
near a cell tower it would say, "15 minutes ago I saw xx AirTag back at [coordinates]"? Or does the reporting only work in real time and if there's
no cell signal you lose that report?
via wifi.
Pretty obvious.
On 2023-03-07 18:57, Connor Shannon wrote:
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 1:46:29 PM UTC-8, nospam wrote:
In article <bad030f7-71c5-428f...@googlegroups.com>,
Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a question if somebody drove by the van that had an iPhone
but they weren't near a cell tower would their iPhone hold the info
and when they got near a cell tower it would say, "15 minutes ago I
saw xx AirTag back at [coordinates]"? Or does the reporting only
work in real time and if there's no cell signal you lose that
report?
the former. airtag pings and reporting are separate. it also can
report via wifi.
Thank you Alan and nospam for explaining about how iphones store
Airtag info.
Very welcome.
Now I need to find something else to do with the Airtag we don't have
a cat. :-)
-Keychain
-Purse
-Hidden in car (use 2 in different places in the car).
-Backpack
-Bike
-etc.
-Mail it to a friend on the other side of the world and have him mail it back. For peak entertainment choose the cheapest option so it takes a
long time to get there and back.
-Get a cat
In the case of the original poster it would be highly unlikely that the moving van would be in an area with no coverage. We're not talking about rural Alaska, Arizona, Utah, or Nevada, we're talking about roads that
have cell coverage the whole way and massive numbers of vehicles passing by.
In article <3a2f6898-8136-4f95-a0b6-e4cb81c27035n@googlegroups.com>,
Connor Shannon <cshannon1898@gmail.com> wrote:
Now I need to find something else to do with the Airtag we don't have a cat. :-)
car keys.
On 2023-03-08, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-03-07 18:57, Connor Shannon wrote:
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 1:46:29???PM UTC-8, nospam wrote:
In article <bad030f7-71c5-428f...@googlegroups.com>,
Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a question if somebody drove by the van that had an iPhone
but they weren't near a cell tower would their iPhone hold the info
and when they got near a cell tower it would say, "15 minutes ago I
saw xx AirTag back at [coordinates]"? Or does the reporting only
work in real time and if there's no cell signal you lose that
report?
the former. airtag pings and reporting are separate. it also can
report via wifi.
Thank you Alan and nospam for explaining about how iphones store
Airtag info.
Very welcome.
Now I need to find something else to do with the Airtag we don't have
a cat. :-)
-Keychain
-Purse
-Hidden in car (use 2 in different places in the car).
-Backpack
-Bike
-etc.
-Mail it to a friend on the other side of the world and have him mail it back. For peak entertainment choose the cheapest option so it takes a
long time to get there and back.
-Get a cat
Those last two options are the best ones in my book. : )
On 3/7/2023 11:33 AM, Tor Abrax wrote:
<snip>
Pretty obvious.
In the case of the original poster it would be highly unlikely that the moving van would be in an area with no coverage. We're not talking about rural Alaska, Arizona, Utah, or Nevada, we're talking about roads that
have cell coverage the whole way and massive numbers of vehicles passing
by.
On 3/7/2023 11:33 AM, Tor Abrax wrote:
<snip>
Pretty obvious.
In the case of the original poster it would be highly unlikely that
the moving van would be in an area with no coverage. We're not talking
about rural Alaska, Arizona, Utah, or Nevada, we're talking about
roads that have cell coverage the whole way and massive numbers of
vehicles passing by.
Remember how an AirTag works. It has to connect to a Bluetooth device. There's no GPS and no cellular radio.---
Inside a steel moving van, with no phones to connect to via Bluetooth,
you probably won't be able to track it along the way. When the stuff
is unloaded then the AirTag may be able to connect to a phone
somewhere.
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