• Received Notification that my iPhone Had Called Emergency Services

    From sms@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 24 18:37:40 2022
    Yesterday I was out hiking in a National Park. My iPhone was in my pack
    and I was wearing my Apple Watch.

    When I took out my iPhone to use the camera I saw a notification that
    the phone had called emergency services. There was no road where I was
    and no helicopters appeared to rescue me so I'm not sure how these
    automatic calls to 911 work. I had cellular coverage in the area of the
    park I was hiking so the phone could have called 911.

    My Apple Watch frequently believes that I have taken a hard fall even
    when I have not, but I don't think that's what happened yesterday since
    the watch doesn't have the phone call 911 unless the user verifies that
    there is an actual emergency (on Tuesday, when I was cross-country
    skiing, and actually did take a hard fall, my Apple Watch didn't detect it).

    I wonder how many false alarms are being called in by phones trying to
    be helpful. I know that the crash detection on the iPhone 14, and on the
    Apple Watch Series 8 have been calling 911 because of Crash Detection mistakenly believing that a crash has occurred, when the owner is on a
    roller coaster.

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to sms on Sun Dec 25 12:58:30 2022
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    Yesterday I was out hiking in a National Park. My iPhone was in my pack
    and I was wearing my Apple Watch.

    When I took out my iPhone to use the camera I saw a notification that
    the phone had called emergency services. There was no road where I was
    and no helicopters appeared to rescue me so I'm not sure how these
    automatic calls to 911 work. I had cellular coverage in the area of the
    park I was hiking so the phone could have called 911.

    My Apple Watch frequently believes that I have taken a hard fall even
    when I have not, but I don't think that's what happened yesterday since
    the watch doesn't have the phone call 911 unless the user verifies that
    there is an actual emergency (on Tuesday, when I was cross-country
    skiing, and actually did take a hard fall, my Apple Watch didn't detect it).

    I wonder how many false alarms are being called in by phones trying to
    be helpful. I know that the crash detection on the iPhone 14, and on the Apple Watch Series 8 have been calling 911 because of Crash Detection mistakenly believing that a crash has occurred, when the owner is on a
    roller coaster.


    The solution is simple. Stop hiking or riding roller coasters…

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sun Dec 25 15:51:43 2022
    badgolferman wrote:

    Yesterday I was out hiking in a National Park.
    I saw a notification the phone had called emergency services.
    My Apple Watch frequently believes that I have taken a hard fall

    The solution is simple. Stop hiking or riding roller coastersK

    Even simpler solution... If Steve would only switch off Verizon tom igm
    satm T-Mobile... then he wouldn't have any signal in those parks
    Where emergency services will never know he's been pocket dialing 'em.

    *Merry Christmas!*

    PS: Steve has suggested chargers & USB hubs recently, each of which I've
    bought as stocking stuffers - because I _TRUST_ Steve's judgement in h/w.

    *Thanks Steve!*

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  • From Zaidy036@21:1/5 to sms on Sun Dec 25 15:05:21 2022
    On 12/24/2022 9:37 PM, sms wrote:
    doesn't have the phone call 911 unless the user verifies that there is
    an actual emergency
    You have that backwards. It calls 911 unless the user verifies that
    there is NO actual emergency

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Zaidy036@air.isp.spam on Sun Dec 25 15:08:42 2022
    In article <toaae1$2smi0$1@dont-email.me>, Zaidy036
    <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> wrote:

    On 12/24/2022 9:37 PM, sms wrote:
    doesn't have the phone call 911 unless the user verifies that there is
    an actual emergency

    You have that backwards. It calls 911 unless the user verifies that
    there is NO actual emergency

    it's another one of his fabricated scenarios.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Dec 25 15:23:44 2022
    nospam wrote:
    In article <toaae1$2smi0$1@dont-email.me>, Zaidy036
    <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> wrote:

    On 12/24/2022 9:37 PM, sms wrote:
    doesn't have the phone call 911 unless the user verifies that there is
    an actual emergency

    You have that backwards. It calls 911 unless the user verifies that
    there is NO actual emergency

    it's another one of his fabricated scenarios.


    You're the only person here who is Not a liar.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 25 23:05:48 2022
    Am 25.12.22 um 21:08 schrieb nospam:
    In article <toaae1$2smi0$1@dont-email.me>, Zaidy036
    <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> wrote:

    On 12/24/2022 9:37 PM, sms wrote:
    doesn't have the phone call 911 unless the user verifies that there is
    an actual emergency

    You have that backwards. It calls 911 unless the user verifies that
    there is NO actual emergency

    it's another one of his fabricated scenarios.

    Are you wondering why? He lives on phantasy island.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Matt Simpson@21:1/5 to sms on Mon Dec 26 16:32:35 2022
    On Dec 24, 2022 at 9:37:40 PM EST, "sms" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Yesterday I was out hiking in a National Park. My iPhone was in my pack
    and I was wearing my Apple Watch.

    I wonder how many false alarms are being called in by phones trying to
    be helpful. I know that the crash detection on the iPhone 14, and on the Apple Watch Series 8 have been calling 911 because of Crash Detection mistakenly believing that a crash has occurred, when the owner is on a
    roller coaster.

    I think it happens a lot. It happened to me once last summer. I'm not sure
    why. I have an Apple Watch with fall detection, and an iPhone 11 (which I
    think has no crash detection). There was no indication on the watch that it
    had detected a fall, so I think the phone decided to call. I was weedeating, with the phone in my pocket. I had the feature activated to call 911 if the side button was pressed 5 times rapidly, so that may have been triggered by vibrations from the weedeater.

    I had no clue it had happened until the farm tenant pulled in looking for me.
    I looked at my phone and saw I had voice mail from 911, saying they had
    gotten a call from my number and heard nothing but a loud noise (the weedeater which prevented me from hearing their call), and told me to call back if something was really wrong. Since I didn't hear the phone when they called back, it had gone to voice mail.

    My phone also had the feature activated to automatically text my emergency contacts (my brother and his son) after any call to 911. So they received
    texts saying I had called emergency services and giving my GPS location. They had no clue what was going on, so they called me, which I didn't hear over the weedeater noise. So they called the tenant and told him to come see if I was alive.

    I hear lots of stories about emergency services being dispatched in response
    to 911 protocols. But apparently in our area, the protocol is for dispatch to call the number back, and not send help unless an emergency is confirmed. In this case, I was somewhat relieved to be spared the embarrassment of emergency vehicles rolling into my driveway, but it bothers me a little to think that they would not respond in an actual emergency ir I was unable to answer their callback

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Matt Simpson on Mon Dec 26 17:25:34 2022
    Matt Simpson wrote:

    My phone also had the feature activated to automatically text my
    emergency contacts (my brother and his son) after any call to 911.

    Where is this setting?

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Matt Simpson on Tue Dec 27 08:53:42 2022
    On 2022-12-26 16:32:35 +0000, Matt Simpson said:

    On Dec 24, 2022 at 9:37:40 PM EST, "sms" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Yesterday I was out hiking in a National Park. My iPhone was in my pack
    and I was wearing my Apple Watch.

    I wonder how many false alarms are being called in by phones trying to
    be helpful. I know that the crash detection on the iPhone 14, and on the
    Apple Watch Series 8 have been calling 911 because of Crash Detection
    mistakenly believing that a crash has occurred, when the owner is on a
    roller coaster.

    I think it happens a lot. It happened to me once last summer. I'm not sure why. I have an Apple Watch with fall detection, and an iPhone 11 (which I think has no crash detection). There was no indication on the watch that it had detected a fall, so I think the phone decided to call. I was weedeating, with the phone in my pocket. I had the feature activated to call 911 if the side button was pressed 5 times rapidly, so that may have been triggered by vibrations from the weedeater.

    I had no clue it had happened until the farm tenant pulled in looking for me.
    I looked at my phone and saw I had voice mail from 911, saying they had gotten a call from my number and heard nothing but a loud noise (the weedeater
    which prevented me from hearing their call), and told me to call back if something was really wrong. Since I didn't hear the phone when they called back, it had gone to voice mail.

    My phone also had the feature activated to automatically text my emergency contacts (my brother and his son) after any call to 911. So they received texts saying I had called emergency services and giving my GPS location. They had no clue what was going on, so they called me, which I didn't hear over the
    weedeater noise. So they called the tenant and told him to come see if I was alive.

    I hear lots of stories about emergency services being dispatched in response to 911 protocols. But apparently in our area, the protocol is for dispatch to call the number back, and not send help unless an emergency is confirmed. In this case, I was somewhat relieved to be spared the embarrassment of emergency
    vehicles rolling into my driveway, but it bothers me a little to think that they would not respond in an actual emergency ir I was unable to answer their callback

    Just from today's junk emails ...

    iPhone 14 crash detection still sending deluge
    of false alarms from skiers

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/12/26/iphone-14-crash-detection-still-sending-deluge-of-false-alarms-from-skiers>



    iPhone 14's Car Crash Detection Still Triggering False 911 Calls,
    Forcing Dispatchers to Reallocate Resources Away From Real Emergencies
    <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/12/26/iphone-14-car-crash-detection/>


    It's yet another ridiculous, ill-thought through gimmick that should
    never have been put into use. Yes, there have been stories where it has
    already saved a few lives, but what you won't hear is how many people
    died because emergency services were too busy responding to false
    calls. :-\

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Dec 27 23:27:38 2022
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    Yesterday I was out hiking in a National Park. My iPhone was in my pack
    and I was wearing my Apple Watch.

    When I took out my iPhone to use the camera I saw a notification that
    the phone had called emergency services. There was no road where I was
    and no helicopters appeared to rescue me so I'm not sure how these
    automatic calls to 911 work. I had cellular coverage in the area of the
    park I was hiking so the phone could have called 911.

    My Apple Watch frequently believes that I have taken a hard fall even
    when I have not, but I don't think that's what happened yesterday since
    the watch doesn't have the phone call 911 unless the user verifies that
    there is an actual emergency (on Tuesday, when I was cross-country
    skiing, and actually did take a hard fall, my Apple Watch didn't detect it). >>
    I wonder how many false alarms are being called in by phones trying to
    be helpful. I know that the crash detection on the iPhone 14, and on the
    Apple Watch Series 8 have been calling 911 because of Crash Detection
    mistakenly believing that a crash has occurred, when the owner is on a
    roller coaster.


    The solution is simple. Stop hiking or riding roller coasters…

    This is completely made up. Apple is all knowing. Nothing to see here:

    ““We did have a conversation with Apple about the crash detection this fall and they told us they were aware of the issue and were working on a fix
    they were hoping to have out in the first quarter of 2023,” Loeb said.”

    […]

    “Grand County Sheriff Brett Schroetlin called the calls are “problematic and time-consuming,” but said they have not impacted dispatch operations. Grand County emergency dispatchers often can screen the calls to determine there is not an emergency and do not call back unless there is some other indication of trouble, Schroetlin said.”

    “His dispatch supervisor has contacted Apple and received a response that
    the company is aware of the conflict between skiers and the crash detection technology and are working on a fix, Schroetlin said. “

    […]

    “Now, the new crash and fall detection features — which are enabled on all new iPhones and watches — have added even more automatic calls to emergency dispatch centers. Dummer hopes more users — especially skiers — will temporarily disable the crash detection feature on their phones, at least
    when they are visiting a resort. (Go to Settings > Emergency SOS and iPhone
    14 users can turn off “Call After Severe Crash” and users of older iPhones can turn off the “Call with Hold” feature.)”

    https://coloradosun.com/2022/12/26/skier-iphone-crash-detection-calls/

    See? It’s not really occurring at all.

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to sms on Thu Dec 29 18:06:42 2022
    sms wrote:

    The fall detection on Apple Watch is kind of a pain. The first time I
    got it was when I knelt down to pull some weeds, and it frequently
    triggers when no fall has occurred.


    The watch triggered from monitoring your heart rate after you were
    arguing with nospam...

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu Dec 29 09:58:09 2022
    On 12/25/2022 4:58 AM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    The solution is simple. Stop hiking or riding roller coasters…

    It's not just roller coasters.

    I was concerned because I’ve been reading about the complaints about emergency personnel being deployed for false alarms being generated by
    the iPhone in ski areas. I was out in an area in Yosemite (Mariposa
    Grove) hiking in the snow. I didn’t want any emergency service personnel deployed to “save me.”

    Two days earlier I was checking my Apple Watch after I did a face-plant
    on XC skis to see if the fall detection was triggered (it wasn't). The
    fall detection on Apple Watch is kind of a pain. The first time I got it
    was when I knelt down to pull some weeds, and it frequently triggers
    when no fall has occurred.

    <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/11/30/crash-detection-triggered-by-skiers/>

    <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/12/26/iphone-14-car-crash-detection/>

    I have no idea what happened with my iPhone 11 that caused it to call
    911. The only thing I can postulate is that the side button and a volume
    button may have been held in.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Thu Dec 29 13:12:34 2022
    In article <tokkfj$cbvo$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    The
    fall detection on Apple Watch is kind of a pain. The first time I got it
    was when I knelt down to pull some weeds, and it frequently triggers
    when no fall has occurred.

    bullshit. it's not triggered simply by kneeling down.

    even aerobic exercise does not trigger it. it needs an actual impact.

    joanna stern had to hire a stuntman to test how effective it is.

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  • From News@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu Dec 29 13:22:55 2022
    On 12/29/2022 1:06 PM, badgolferman wrote:
    sms wrote:

    The fall detection on Apple Watch is kind of a pain. The first time I
    got it was when I knelt down to pull some weeds, and it frequently
    triggers when no fall has occurred.


    The watch triggered from monitoring your heart rate after you were
    arguing with nospam...


    LMAO

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  • From chop@21:1/5 to News on Fri Dec 30 11:06:01 2022
    On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 05:22:55 +1100, News <News@group.name> wrote:

    On 12/29/2022 1:06 PM, badgolferman wrote:
    sms wrote:

    The fall detection on Apple Watch is kind of a pain. The first time I
    got it was when I knelt down to pull some weeds, and it frequently
    triggers when no fall has occurred.
    The watch triggered from monitoring your heart rate after you were
    arguing with nospam...


    LMAO

    What are we going to do about all you arseless people ?

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  • From News@21:1/5 to chop on Fri Dec 30 10:29:08 2022
    On 12/29/2022 7:06 PM, chop wrote:
    On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 05:22:55 +1100, News <News@group.name> wrote:

    On 12/29/2022 1:06 PM, badgolferman wrote:
    sms wrote:

    The fall detection on Apple Watch is kind of a pain. The first time I
    got it was when I knelt down to pull some weeds, and it frequently
    triggers when no fall has occurred.
      The watch triggered from monitoring your heart rate after you were
    arguing with nospam...


    LMAO

    What are we going to do about all you arseless people ?


    You're free to FOAD.

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