• Apple Rumored to Allow Third Party App Stores, At Least in the EU

    From sms@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 14 09:36:04 2022
    See <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/report-apple-engineers-are-working-on-third-party-app-store-support-in-ios/>

    Before anyone gets too excited, there are some caveats:

    1. If this does happen it could end up being only in EU countries.
    Unlike Android devices, which allow GPS spoofing, iOS knows exactly
    where your iPhone is, so getting around such a limitation would be
    tricky (yes, there are workarounds using a computer, or by jailbreaking,
    see 27a on page 31 of the document
    <https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>).

    2. Many of the apps that are available only on Android are because iOS
    doesn't have the capability for those apps to work (even though the
    hardware is technically capable). A third-party app store isn't going to
    solve that issue.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Wed Dec 14 13:20:43 2022
    In article <tnd1i6$2r6ha$2@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    1. If this does happen it could end up being only in EU countries.
    Unlike Android devices, which allow GPS spoofing, iOS knows exactly
    where your iPhone is,

    gps spoofing is not how the app store checks, making it entirely
    irrelevant. in fact, that would be an incredibly stupid way to do it
    for several reasons.

    also, google (and other entities) know exactly where android phones are
    (and iphones for that matter).

    it helps to actually know about ios and android before commenting.

    so getting around such a limitation would be
    tricky (yes, there are workarounds using a computer, or by jailbreaking,

    that is false. it's actually relatively straightforward to get around
    your hypothetical geographical limitation, which may not even happen.

    just because you don't know how doesn't mean it's 'tricky'. it simply
    means you have no idea what you're talking about and simply trolling.


    2. Many of the apps that are available only on Android are because iOS doesn't have the capability for those apps to work (even though the
    hardware is technically capable). A third-party app store isn't going to solve that issue.

    that is demonstrably false.

    most of what you claim is impossible on ios on is is possible, and in
    many cases, *part* *of* *ios* itself.

    further, there are *many* things can be done on ios that are impossible
    on android (or at best, difficult and/or ineffective).

    it helps to actually know about ios and android before commenting.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 14 19:28:34 2022
    Am 14.12.22 um 18:36 schrieb sms:
    See <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/report-apple-engineers-are-working-on-third-party-app-store-support-in-ios/>

    Before anyone gets too excited, there are some caveats:

    1. If this does happen it could end up being only in EU countries.
    Unlike Android devices, which allow GPS spoofing, iOS knows exactly
    where your iPhone is, so getting around such a limitation would be
    tricky (yes, there are workarounds using a computer, or by jailbreaking,
    see 27a on page 31 of the document <https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>).

    2. Many of the apps that are available only on Android are because iOS doesn't have the capability for those apps to work (even though the
    hardware is technically capable). A third-party app store isn't going to solve that issue.

    You do not have even little understanding of the issue.
    Unbelievable!

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Wed Dec 14 15:58:00 2022
    In article <tndc5i$2s29d$3@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    That is really the bigger news, if it's actually true,
    since that could allow the iPhone to run apps that are now only
    available on Android.

    apps that are only on android are almost always because the developers
    aren't interested in writing ios, not because of any prohibition.

    the reverse, however, is not true. ios-only apps generally *can't* be implemented on android.

    As to how Apple would prevent those not in the EU from using third-party
    app stores, it's not clear.

    it is to anyone who has used an ios device.

    They'd have to allow anyone visiting the EU
    the same access to app stores as EU residents, but someone that spoofs
    their iPhone location to an EU country might be able to gain access
    unless there were restrictions based on the cellular provider. But this
    still would not prevent visitors to the EU, using a prepaid SIM card
    from an EU provider, from side-loading apps from a third-party app store.

    the rule of holes applies.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to sms on Wed Dec 14 12:37:05 2022
    On 12/14/2022 9:36 AM, sms wrote:
    See <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/report-apple-engineers-are-working-on-third-party-app-store-support-in-ios/>

    Before anyone gets too excited, there are some caveats:

    1.  If this does happen it could end up being only in EU countries.
    Unlike Android devices, which allow GPS spoofing, iOS knows exactly
    where your iPhone is, so getting around such a limitation would be
    tricky (yes, there are workarounds using a computer, or by jailbreaking,
    see 27a on page 31 of the document <https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>).

    2. Many of the apps that are available only on Android are because iOS doesn't have the capability for those apps to work (even though the
    hardware is technically capable). A third-party app store isn't going to solve that issue.

    More on this. According to Mac Rumors <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/12/13/apple-europe-alternate-app-store-support/>,
    "Apple is only planning to implement sideloading support in Europe" ☹.

    The article also states "Apple could open up underlying app frameworks
    and APIs to third-party app developers, providing deeper access to core
    system functions and hardware. Third-party apps could in the future get
    access to camera technologies not available now, and Apple is working to
    open up NFC in a limited way that could allow for Apple Pay
    alternatives." That is really the bigger news, if it's actually true,
    since that could allow the iPhone to run apps that are now only
    available on Android.

    As to how Apple would prevent those not in the EU from using third-party
    app stores, it's not clear. They'd have to allow anyone visiting the EU
    the same access to app stores as EU residents, but someone that spoofs
    their iPhone location to an EU country might be able to gain access
    unless there were restrictions based on the cellular provider. But this
    still would not prevent visitors to the EU, using a prepaid SIM card
    from an EU provider, from side-loading apps from a third-party app store.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Dec 14 16:32:48 2022
    nospam wrote:
    In article <tndc5i$2s29d$3@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    That is really the bigger news, if it's actually true,
    since that could allow the iPhone to run apps that are now only
    available on Android.

    apps that are only on android are almost always because the developers
    aren't interested in writing ios, not because of any prohibition.

    the reverse, however, is not true. ios-only apps generally *can't* be implemented on android.

    As to how Apple would prevent those not in the EU from using third-party
    app stores, it's not clear.

    it is to anyone who has used an ios device.


    If I visit the EU, will apple know if I put on clean underwear at
    my hotel?

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Dec 15 00:14:00 2022
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    As to how Apple would prevent those not in the EU from using third-party >>> app stores, it's not clear.

    it is to anyone who has used an ios device.


    If I visit the EU, will apple know if I put on clean underwear at
    my hotel?

    Do you realize Apple puts a unique tracking ID specific to your iCloud
    account into _every_ app you install from their App Store - even free ones?

    Nobody else does that.

    Only Apple.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to spam@nospam.com on Wed Dec 14 20:23:58 2022
    In article <tndort$bou$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
    <spam@nospam.com> wrote:


    Do you realize Apple puts a unique tracking ID specific to your iCloud account into _every_ app you install from their App Store - even free ones?

    rule of holes applies.

    Nobody else does that.

    keep thinking that.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Dec 15 06:40:44 2022
    nospam wrote:

    Nobody else does that.

    keep thinking that.

    It's no longer shocking how ignorant you iKooks are that Apple inserts a unique-to-you identifier into every app you download off the App Store.

    The fact you iKooks brazenly deny what nobody sensible would deny simply indicates that you're _desperate_ to change the narrative away from facts.

    You literally _hate_ Apple inserts tracking into every IPA you install.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to spam@nospam.com on Thu Dec 15 04:30:01 2022
    In article <tnefh0$rat$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
    <spam@nospam.com> wrote:


    You literally _hate_ Apple inserts tracking into every IPA you install.

    you literally have no clue how anything works.

    meanwhile, stock up on more tin foil.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 15 08:23:25 2022
    On 12/14/2022 9:36 AM, sms wrote:

    <snip>

    I’ve added this, in much greater detail, to page 2 of the document <https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>.

    Also, the EU DMA would likely require other changes as well, including
    allowing third-party search engines (currently all browsers must use the
    Apple search engine), and changes to Siri, iMessage, and FaceTime.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Thu Dec 15 12:58:14 2022
    In article <tnfhlu$34dvo$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Also, the EU DMA would likely require other changes as well, including allowing third-party search engines (currently all browsers must use the Apple search engine),

    false.

    not only is it easy to change the search engine (going back to the
    early days of ios), but third party browsers have no restrictions on
    what search engine they use, nor is that anything apple could possibly
    enforce even if they wanted to (which they do not).

    how is it you consistently get so much wrong??

    <https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/imageedit_1_841985 4421.jpg> <https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/search-engine-opti ons-in-safari-on-iphone.png>

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/af/0b/de/af0bded77d99276ff437fdae8e99d756--han dy-tips-helpful-hints.jpg>

    and changes to Siri, iMessage, and FaceTime.

    also false.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to sms on Thu Dec 15 22:26:36 2022
    On 2022-12-15, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Also, the EU DMA would likely require other changes as well, including allowing third-party search engines (currently all browsers must use the Apple search engine)

    As usual, sms is *lying to you*. You've been able to choose from
    multiple search engines in Apple's Safari browser for ages:

    <https://i.imgur.com/c7W5a0e.jpg>

    And third party browsers also let you choose - this is from Firefox:

    <https://i.imgur.com/4pUuq3s.jpg>

    Troll on, trollboi.

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