On 2024-07-18 15:41:02 +0000, badgolferman said:

Today my work phone was migrated from an iPhone 11 to an iPhone 14.
Now I carry two iPhone 14 devices, a work and personal phone.

Ironically a Microsoft program named Entune is used to manage an Apple device! This allows the IT Department to remotely manage, disable,
erase the phone. It also manages certificates related to our PIV
smartcards and email encryption. The work phone is on the VZW network
whilst my personal phone is on the TMO network.

I asked the IT technician which phones are easier to migrate, iPhone or Android. She told me they both have their idiosyncracies, but with the iPhone she can preload required apps and setup certain parameters
before I ever show up to switch phones over. With Androids you have to
set up the user first before doing anything.

Make of that whatever you will.

I have only ever tried to migrate an Android phone some time back, and
it was hopeless because there are a lot of user things that simply
could not be copied across (the expert staff in the Samsung store
confirmed they couldn't), which is utterly ridiculous, especially
considering some of the uncopyable user data was for widely used apps!

In contrast, migrating an iPad was very simple, quick, and all the user
data copied across.

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On 2024-07-18 20:37, Andrew wrote:

Your Name wrote on Fri, 19 Jul 2024 08:44:50 +1200 :

I have only ever tried to migrate an Android phone some time back, and
it was hopeless because there are a lot of user things that simply
could not be copied across (the expert staff in the Samsung store
confirmed they couldn't), which is utterly ridiculous, especially
considering some of the uncopyable user data was for widely used apps!

Bullshit.

It's not surprising the ignorant uneducated low-IQ YourName is unaware that the primitive toy iPhone is incapable of copying over all app installers.

And it doesn't need to do so...

With Android, all your EXACT app versions copy over to *any* phone, exactly as they were on the old phone - even if those app versions are no longer available on the Google Play Store. Try *that* with the toy iOS iPhone.

I've never lost an app.

In contrast, migrating an iPad was very simple, quick, and all the user
data copied across.

Bullshit.

Nope. It's the truth.

The primitive toy iPhone is incapable of migrating over the EXACT location
of every folder and every app icon (and every widget & shortcut too).

False.

With Android, you save the homescreen on the old & load it back to the new.

Then, EVERY app icon is on the new phone EXACTLY where it was on the old.

Just like it is on an iPhone.

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Your Name wrote on Fri, 19 Jul 2024 08:44:50 +1200 :

I have only ever tried to migrate an Android phone some time back, and
it was hopeless because there are a lot of user things that simply
could not be copied across (the expert staff in the Samsung store
confirmed they couldn't), which is utterly ridiculous, especially
considering some of the uncopyable user data was for widely used apps!

Bullshit.

It's not surprising the ignorant uneducated low-IQ YourName is unaware that
the primitive toy iPhone is incapable of copying over all app installers.

With Android, all your EXACT app versions copy over to *any* phone, exactly
as they were on the old phone - even if those app versions are no longer available on the Google Play Store. Try *that* with the toy iOS iPhone.

In contrast, migrating an iPad was very simple, quick, and all the user
data copied across.

Bullshit.

The primitive toy iPhone is incapable of migrating over the EXACT location
of every folder and every app icon (and every widget & shortcut too).

With Android, you save the homescreen on the old & load it back to the new.

Then, EVERY app icon is on the new phone EXACTLY where it was on the old.

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On 18/7/2024, badgolferman wrote:

I asked the IT technician which phones are easier to migrate, iPhone or Android. She told me they both have their idiosyncracies, but with the iPhone she can preload required apps and setup certain parameters
before I ever show up to switch phones over. With Androids you have to
set up the user first before doing anything.

All the apps on the iPhone will be coming from a single App Store, whereas
the Android phone might have apps coming from anywhere, not just Google.

The iPhone owner will always have a privacy robbing account on the Apple servers where an Android owner might not have that privacy robbing account.

However, most people have that privacy robbing server account - in which
case both Apple & Google make it easy to copy your old apps & their data.

If the Android user was intelligent enough to put all his data on the
sdcard, everything (even downloaded maps) works perfect on the new phone.

None of that is possible on iPhones because they can't do portable sd data.

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On 2024-07-19 05:44, badgolferman wrote:

Alan wrote:

The primitive toy iPhone is incapable of migrating over the EXACT
location of every folder and every app icon (and every widget &
shortcut too).

False.

When I signed back into iCloud on my new iPhone the apps from the
previous phone did not migrate over.

Did you perform a migration from your old iPhone...

...or did you set a new iPhone without doing a migration?

Because I've done multiple migrations for myself and for my clients (not
that they really needed me to do it, but when you have older folks with
money, they like having the help).

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On 2024-07-19, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Alan wrote:

The primitive toy iPhone is incapable of migrating over the EXACT
location of every folder and every app icon (and every widget &
shortcut too).

False.

When I signed back into iCloud on my new iPhone the apps from the
previous phone did not migrate over.

These dingbat trolls don't know the difference between transferring your
data from the old phone (or a backup of it) to the new one and setting
up the phone as new and signing into iCloud. The former results in the
EXACT location of every folder and every app (and every widget &
shortcut too) being transferred to the new device. The latter naturally
does not.

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badgolferman wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 17:09:48 -0000 (UTC) :

I don't disagree with most of what you said. I haven't done this in
years, but when I used the older version of iTunes, I was able to extract
and save the unsupported or older version of an IPA and restore it to a new phone. The one problem with that was if I wanted to keep an older version
of an app, the App Store always tried to update it with a newer version.
That means the App Store icon badge would always show a number and that's annoying to me.

No rationally sensible person would disagree with the facts as I said them simply because only a fool disagrees with facts (that's why they're fools).

The fact is that iOS deletes the installer after installation, by default. Windows & Android do not delete the installer (APK/EXE) after installation.

Only zealots such as Jolly Roger or Alan Browne would disagree with fact.
The interesting thing is to ascertain *why* zealots disagree with facts.

Since I study these strange religious zealots, I think it's because they
*hate* that Apple never is what they thought Apple was supposed to be.

But we'd have to ask the zealots why they lied that iMazing can magically create IPAs out of thin air that no longer exist on the App Store.

Even worse than Apple or developers forcing you to upgrade and lose
favorite features, is Microsoft moving to subscription services where you have to rent programs like Office and such. It won't be long before Apple follows suit.

I will never disagree with a sensible and logical viewpoint, where
Microsoft going to the subscription model is their way of increasing
revenue for products such as Microsoft Office.

Mot of these products don't really change all that much, release to
release, so the older releases work fine for personal use most of the time.

I, for one, am perfectly happy with Microsoft Office 7 which works fine for
me on my desktop at home - and I'm also fine with Adobe Acrobat 6 (writer).

The only software I buy every year is TurboTax, and even that can be done
for free (but my taxes are complicated so they require at least the
TurboTax Deluxe version which Costco sells every December at a discount).

Back to the topic, phone migration, luckily, on both platforms, is pretty
easy but the main thing wrong with iOS is that you can't install an IPA
that no longer exists on the App Store - whereas with Windows & Android,
you can (simply because the installer is always saved by default).

That's a *huge* difference between Apple's iOS and all other common OS's.

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