I've noticed with amazement that my iPhone 15 Pro Max can ID my face
even in dark. How does it do it? Using infraread light?
On 2023-12-27 23:44:40 +0000, Cameo said:
I've noticed with amazement that my iPhone 15 Pro Max can ID my face
even in dark. How does it do it? Using infraread light?
Yes. It can't use a simple photo, because that would be far too easy to
get around (using another photo, etc.). Face ID projects thousands of
tiny infrared dots onto your face to measure the depth, etc. and is
purposely designed to also be able to work in total darkness.
About Face ID advanced technology
The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most
advanced hardware and software that we’ve ever created.
The TrueDepth camera captures accurate face data by
projecting and analyzing thousands of invisible dots to
create a depth map of your face and also captures an
infrared image of your face. A portion of the neural
engine of the A11, A12 Bionic, A12X Bionic, A13 Bionic,
A14 Bionic, and A15 Bionic chip—protected within the
Secure Enclave—transforms the depth map and infrared
image into a mathematical representation and compares
that representation to the enrolled facial data.
Face ID automatically adapts to changes in your
appearance, such as wearing cosmetic makeup or growing
facial hair. If there is a more significant change in
your appearance, like shaving a full beard, Face ID
confirms your identity by using your passcode before it
updates your face data. Face ID is designed to work with
hats, scarves, glasses, contact lenses, and many
sunglasses. Furthermore, it's designed to work indoors,
outdoors, and even in total darkness. With iOS 15.4 and
iPhone 12 or later, Face ID even works with face masks.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/102381>
On 12/28/2023 1:37 AM, Your Name wrote:
On 2023-12-27 23:44:40 +0000, Cameo said:
I've noticed with amazement that my iPhone 15 Pro Max can ID my face
even in dark. How does it do it? Using infraread light?
Yes. It can't use a simple photo, because that would be far too easy to
get around (using another photo, etc.). Face ID projects thousands of
tiny infrared dots onto your face to measure the depth, etc. and is
purposely designed to also be able to work in total darkness.
About Face ID advanced technology
The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most
advanced hardware and software that we’ve ever created.
The TrueDepth camera captures accurate face data by
projecting and analyzing thousands of invisible dots to
create a depth map of your face and also captures an
infrared image of your face. A portion of the neural
engine of the A11, A12 Bionic, A12X Bionic, A13 Bionic,
A14 Bionic, and A15 Bionic chip—protected within the
Secure Enclave—transforms the depth map and infrared
image into a mathematical representation and compares
that representation to the enrolled facial data.
Face ID automatically adapts to changes in your
appearance, such as wearing cosmetic makeup or growing
facial hair. If there is a more significant change in
your appearance, like shaving a full beard, Face ID
confirms your identity by using your passcode before it
updates your face data. Face ID is designed to work with
hats, scarves, glasses, contact lenses, and many
sunglasses. Furthermore, it's designed to work indoors,
outdoors, and even in total darkness. With iOS 15.4 and
iPhone 12 or later, Face ID even works with face masks.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/102381>
Thanks. It sounds that it is harder to defeat than fingerprint Id.
On 2023-12-28 20:34:32 +0000, Cameo said:
On 12/28/2023 1:37 AM, Your Name wrote:
On 2023-12-27 23:44:40 +0000, Cameo said:
I've noticed with amazement that my iPhone 15 Pro Max can ID my face
even in dark. How does it do it? Using infraread light?
Yes. It can't use a simple photo, because that would be far too easy
to get around (using another photo, etc.). Face ID projects thousands
of tiny infrared dots onto your face to measure the depth, etc. and
is purposely designed to also be able to work in total darkness.
About Face ID advanced technology
The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most
advanced hardware and software that we’ve ever created.
The TrueDepth camera captures accurate face data by
projecting and analyzing thousands of invisible dots to
create a depth map of your face and also captures an
infrared image of your face. A portion of the neural
engine of the A11, A12 Bionic, A12X Bionic, A13 Bionic,
A14 Bionic, and A15 Bionic chip—protected within the
Secure Enclave—transforms the depth map and infrared
image into a mathematical representation and compares
that representation to the enrolled facial data.
Face ID automatically adapts to changes in your
appearance, such as wearing cosmetic makeup or growing
facial hair. If there is a more significant change in
your appearance, like shaving a full beard, Face ID
confirms your identity by using your passcode before it
updates your face data. Face ID is designed to work with
hats, scarves, glasses, contact lenses, and many
sunglasses. Furthermore, it's designed to work indoors,
outdoors, and even in total darkness. With iOS 15.4 and
iPhone 12 or later, Face ID even works with face masks.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/102381>
Thanks. It sounds that it is harder to defeat than fingerprint Id.
Supposedly it is, but in reality some people have fooled Face ID, the obviusly example being twins or even just someone who looks enough like
a sibling or parent. Some people have reportedly used 3D masks as well.
On 12/28/2023 1:37 AM, Your Name wrote:
On 2023-12-27 23:44:40 +0000, Cameo said:
I've noticed with amazement that my iPhone 15 Pro Max can ID
my face even in dark. How does it do it? Using infraread light?
Yes. It can't use a simple photo, because that would be far
too easy to get around (using another photo, etc.). Face ID
projects thousands of tiny infrared dots onto your face to
measure the depth, etc. and is purposely designed to also be
able to work in total darkness.
About Face ID advanced technology
The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most
advanced hardware and software that we’ve ever created.
The TrueDepth camera captures accurate face data by
projecting and analyzing thousands of invisible dots to
create a depth map of your face and also captures an
infrared image of your face. A portion of the neural
engine of the A11, A12 Bionic, A12X Bionic, A13 Bionic,
A14 Bionic, and A15 Bionic chip—protected within the
Secure Enclave—transforms the depth map and infrared
image into a mathematical representation and compares
that representation to the enrolled facial data.
Face ID automatically adapts to changes in your
appearance, such as wearing cosmetic makeup or growing
facial hair. If there is a more significant change in
your appearance, like shaving a full beard, Face ID
confirms your identity by using your passcode before it
updates your face data. Face ID is designed to work with
hats, scarves, glasses, contact lenses, and many
sunglasses. Furthermore, it's designed to work indoors,
outdoors, and even in total darkness. With iOS 15.4 and
iPhone 12 or later, Face ID even works with face masks.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/102381>
Thanks. It sounds that it is harder to defeat than fingerprint Id.
I refuse to use either Face ID or Fingerprint ID, or the stupid 'trace
the pattern' options on some phones. A sensible password is all you
need.
It sounds that it is harder to defeat than fingerprint Id.
On 2023-12-28 20:34:32 +0000, Cameo said:
On 12/28/2023 1:37 AM, Your Name wrote:
On 2023-12-27 23:44:40 +0000, Cameo said:
I've noticed with amazement that my iPhone 15 Pro Max can
ID my face even in dark. How does it do it? Using infraread
light?
Yes. It can't use a simple photo, because that would be far
too easy to get around (using another photo, etc.). Face ID
projects thousands of tiny infrared dots onto your face to
measure the depth, etc. and is purposely designed to also be
able to work in total darkness.
About Face ID advanced technology
The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most
advanced hardware and software that we’ve ever created.
The TrueDepth camera captures accurate face data by
projecting and analyzing thousands of invisible dots to
create a depth map of your face and also captures an
infrared image of your face. A portion of the neural
engine of the A11, A12 Bionic, A12X Bionic, A13 Bionic,
A14 Bionic, and A15 Bionic chip—protected within the
Secure Enclave—transforms the depth map and infrared
image into a mathematical representation and compares
that representation to the enrolled facial data.
Face ID automatically adapts to changes in your
appearance, such as wearing cosmetic makeup or growing
facial hair. If there is a more significant change in
your appearance, like shaving a full beard, Face ID
confirms your identity by using your passcode before it
updates your face data. Face ID is designed to work with
hats, scarves, glasses, contact lenses, and many
sunglasses. Furthermore, it's designed to work indoors,
outdoors, and even in total darkness. With iOS 15.4 and
iPhone 12 or later, Face ID even works with face masks.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/102381>
Thanks. It sounds that it is harder to defeat than
fingerprint Id.
Supposedly it is, but in reality some people have fooled Face
ID, the obviusly example being twins or even just someone who
looks enough like a sibling or parent. Some people have
reportedly used 3D masks as well.
I refuse to use either Face ID or Fingerprint ID, or the stupid
'trace the pattern' options on some phones. A sensible password
is all you need.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote
I refuse to use either Face ID or Fingerprint ID, or the stupid 'trace
the pattern' options on some phones. A sensible password is all you
need.
I will agree with anyone who makes a logically defensible statement, where
I am happy to be on record with agreeing with Your Name in a "sensible password" being all that you need (if you need to protect the phone).
Personally, I choose to NOT put even a password on the phone, but I don't live in the slums so I'm not afraid of my wife, kids and neighbors.
But I don't blame anyone else for putting a password or PIN on their phone because maybe they don't use encrypted file containers or keepass storage.
I do wonder about the thought process of a person who thinks that a mere marketing gimmick (which is all FaceID ever was and ever will be), is "security" since FaceID was never meant to be more than a marketing ploy.
Anyone fooled into thinking a marketing ploy is real security, is a moron.
Thanks. It sounds that it is harder to defeat than fingerprint Id.
It depends what you mean by defeat. If you mean pick up a random phone and
be able to unlock it then they're equivalent.
FaceID in theory works well, but in practice is vulnerable to unlocking by people who look like you e.g. close family members or even a spouse who regularly borrows your phone and knows the PIN.
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
Thanks. It sounds that it is harder to defeat than fingerprint Id.
It depends what you mean by defeat. If you mean pick up a random phone and >> be able to unlock it then they're equivalent.
FaceID in theory works well, but in practice is vulnerable to unlocking by >> people who look like you e.g. close family members or even a spouse who
regularly borrows your phone and knows the PIN.
FaceID is targeted directly to people who live in the worst slums, Chris?
Just as you were ignorant of the use of common immunological words, Chris, all of you ignorati who fell for Apple's marketing campaign to
differentiate the iPhone as "special" by such meaningless FaceID gimmicks.
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/9eiX08J_g_w>
The truth is that the iPhone is full of holes, so many, in fact, that the latest hardware exploit (and yes, it has been exploited, Chris), was due to
a series of four (yes, four!) zero-day holes Apple had never tested for.
The result is yet another zero-day zero-click exploit in Apple's software.
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/RZJqU-mc9zM>
Apple wants you to think you should be afraid of your wife, kids, family
and friends - but whom you should be afraid of are those who exploit iOS.
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/gvHb8ahM0ac>
What Apple should be doing, instead of marketing meaningless FaceID
gimmicks to the masses - is sufficiently test their software for holes.
On 2023-12-28 20:34:32 +0000, Cameo said:
On 12/28/2023 1:37 AM, Your Name wrote:
On 2023-12-27 23:44:40 +0000, Cameo said:
I've noticed with amazement that my iPhone 15 Pro Max can ID my face
even in dark. How does it do it? Using infraread light?
Yes. It can't use a simple photo, because that would be far too easy
to get around (using another photo, etc.). Face ID projects thousands
of tiny infrared dots onto your face to measure the depth, etc. and
is purposely designed to also be able to work in total darkness.
About Face ID advanced technology
The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most
advanced hardware and software that we’ve ever created.
The TrueDepth camera captures accurate face data by
projecting and analyzing thousands of invisible dots to
create a depth map of your face and also captures an
infrared image of your face. A portion of the neural
engine of the A11, A12 Bionic, A12X Bionic, A13 Bionic,
A14 Bionic, and A15 Bionic chip—protected within the
Secure Enclave—transforms the depth map and infrared
image into a mathematical representation and compares
that representation to the enrolled facial data.
Face ID automatically adapts to changes in your
appearance, such as wearing cosmetic makeup or growing
facial hair. If there is a more significant change in
your appearance, like shaving a full beard, Face ID
confirms your identity by using your passcode before it
updates your face data. Face ID is designed to work with
hats, scarves, glasses, contact lenses, and many
sunglasses. Furthermore, it's designed to work indoors,
outdoors, and even in total darkness. With iOS 15.4 and
iPhone 12 or later, Face ID even works with face masks.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/102381>
Thanks. It sounds that it is harder to defeat than fingerprint Id.
Supposedly it is, but in reality some people have fooled Face ID, the obviusly example being twins or even just someone who looks enough like
a sibling or parent. Some people have reportedly used 3D masks as well.
I refuse to use either Face ID or Fingerprint ID, or the stupid 'trace
the pattern' options on some phones. A sensible password is all you need.
On 12/28/2023 10:34 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2023-12-28 20:34:32 +0000, Cameo said:
On 12/28/2023 1:37 AM, Your Name wrote:
On 2023-12-27 23:44:40 +0000, Cameo said:
I've noticed with amazement that my iPhone 15 Pro Max can ID my face >>>>> even in dark. How does it do it? Using infraread light?
Yes. It can't use a simple photo, because that would be far too easy to >>>> get around (using another photo, etc.). Face ID projects thousands of
tiny infrared dots onto your face to measure the depth, etc. and is
purposely designed to also be able to work in total darkness.
About Face ID advanced technology
The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most
advanced hardware and software that we’ve ever created.
The TrueDepth camera captures accurate face data by
projecting and analyzing thousands of invisible dots to
create a depth map of your face and also captures an
infrared image of your face. A portion of the neural
engine of the A11, A12 Bionic, A12X Bionic, A13 Bionic,
A14 Bionic, and A15 Bionic chip—protected within the
Secure Enclave—transforms the depth map and infrared
image into a mathematical representation and compares
that representation to the enrolled facial data.
Face ID automatically adapts to changes in your
appearance, such as wearing cosmetic makeup or growing
facial hair. If there is a more significant change in
your appearance, like shaving a full beard, Face ID
confirms your identity by using your passcode before it
updates your face data. Face ID is designed to work with
hats, scarves, glasses, contact lenses, and many
sunglasses. Furthermore, it's designed to work indoors,
outdoors, and even in total darkness. With iOS 15.4 and
iPhone 12 or later, Face ID even works with face masks.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/102381>
Thanks. It sounds that it is harder to defeat than fingerprint Id.
Supposedly it is, but in reality some people have fooled Face ID, the
obviusly example being twins or even just someone who looks enough like
a sibling or parent. Some people have reportedly used 3D masks as well.
I refuse to use either Face ID or Fingerprint ID, or the stupid 'trace
the pattern' options on some phones. A sensible password is all you
need.
So would it recognize my face even after I grew beard?
Face ID automatically adapts to changes in your appearance, such as
wearing cosmetic makeup or growing facial hair.
So would it recognize my face even after I grew beard?
Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
On 12/28/2023 10:34 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2023-12-28 20:34:32 +0000, Cameo said:So would it recognize my face even after I grew beard?
On 12/28/2023 1:37 AM, Your Name wrote:
On 2023-12-27 23:44:40 +0000, Cameo said:
I've noticed with amazement that my iPhone 15 Pro Max can ID my face >>>>>> even in dark. How does it do it? Using infraread light?
Yes. It can't use a simple photo, because that would be far too easy >>>>> to get around (using another photo, etc.). Face ID projects thousands >>>>> of tiny infrared dots onto your face to measure the depth, etc. and
is purposely designed to also be able to work in total darkness.
About Face ID advanced technology
The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most
advanced hardware and software that we’ve ever created.
The TrueDepth camera captures accurate face data by
projecting and analyzing thousands of invisible dots to
create a depth map of your face and also captures an
infrared image of your face. A portion of the neural
engine of the A11, A12 Bionic, A12X Bionic, A13 Bionic,
A14 Bionic, and A15 Bionic chip—protected within the
Secure Enclave—transforms the depth map and infrared
image into a mathematical representation and compares
that representation to the enrolled facial data.
Face ID automatically adapts to changes in your
appearance, such as wearing cosmetic makeup or growing
facial hair. If there is a more significant change in
your appearance, like shaving a full beard, Face ID
confirms your identity by using your passcode before it
updates your face data. Face ID is designed to work with
hats, scarves, glasses, contact lenses, and many
sunglasses. Furthermore, it's designed to work indoors,
outdoors, and even in total darkness. With iOS 15.4 and
iPhone 12 or later, Face ID even works with face masks.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/102381>
Thanks. It sounds that it is harder to defeat than fingerprint Id.
Supposedly it is, but in reality some people have fooled Face ID, the
obviusly example being twins or even just someone who looks enough like
a sibling or parent. Some people have reportedly used 3D masks as well.
I refuse to use either Face ID or Fingerprint ID, or the stupid 'trace
the pattern' options on some phones. A sensible password is all you need. >>
Yes.
Chris wrote:
Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
On 12/28/2023 10:34 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2023-12-28 20:34:32 +0000, Cameo said:
On 12/28/2023 1:37 AM, Your Name wrote:
On 2023-12-27 23:44:40 +0000, Cameo said:
I've noticed with amazement that my iPhone 15 Pro Max can ID my face >>>>>>> even in dark. How does it do it? Using infraread light?
Yes. It can't use a simple photo, because that would be far too easy >>>>>> to get around (using another photo, etc.). Face ID projects thousands >>>>>> of tiny infrared dots onto your face to measure the depth, etc. and >>>>>> is purposely designed to also be able to work in total darkness.
  About Face ID advanced technology
 The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most
 advanced hardware and software that we’ve ever created.
  The TrueDepth camera captures accurate face data by
 projecting and analyzing thousands of invisible dots to
 create a depth map of your face and also captures an
 infrared image of your face. A portion of the neural
 engine of the A11, A12 Bionic, A12X Bionic, A13 Bionic,
 A14 Bionic, and A15 Bionic chipâ€â€protected within the
 Secure Enclaveâ€â€transforms the depth map and infrared
 image into a mathematical representation and compares
 that representation to the enrolled facial data.
 Face ID automatically adapts to changes in your
 appearance, such as wearing cosmetic makeup or growing
 facial hair. If there is a more significant change in
 your appearance, like shaving a full beard, Face ID
 confirms your identity by using your passcode before it
 updates your face data. Face ID is designed to work with
 hats, scarves, glasses, contact lenses, and many
 sunglasses. Furthermore, it's designed to work indoors,
 outdoors, and even in total darkness. With iOS 15.4 and
 iPhone 12 or later, Face ID even works with face masks.
 <https://support.apple.com/en-us/102381>
Thanks. It sounds that it is harder to defeat than fingerprint Id.
Supposedly it is, but in reality some people have fooled Face ID, the
obviusly example being twins or even just someone who looks enough like >>>> a sibling or parent. Some people have reportedly used 3D masks as well. >>>>
I refuse to use either Face ID or Fingerprint ID, or the stupid 'trace >>>> the pattern' options on some phones. A sensible password is all you
need.
So would it recognize my face even after I grew beard?
Yes.
It'll probably work even if he wears one of those gruesome rubber
Halloween masks. Apple stuff always just works.
On 1/2/2024 4:56 AM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Chris wrote:
Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
On 12/28/2023 10:34 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2023-12-28 20:34:32 +0000, Cameo said:
On 12/28/2023 1:37 AM, Your Name wrote:
On 2023-12-27 23:44:40 +0000, Cameo said:
I've noticed with amazement that my iPhone 15 Pro Max can ID my face >>>>>>> even in dark. How does it do it? Using infraread light?
Yes. It can't use a simple photo, because that would be far too easy >>>>>> to get around (using another photo, etc.). Face ID projects thousands >>>>>> of tiny infrared dots onto your face to measure the depth, etc. and >>>>>> is purposely designed to also be able to work in total darkness. >>>>>>
About Face ID advanced technology
The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most
advanced hardware and software that weâ??????ve ever created. >>>>>> The TrueDepth camera captures accurate face data by
projecting and analyzing thousands of invisible dots to
create a depth map of your face and also captures an
infrared image of your face. A portion of the neural
engine of the A11, A12 Bionic, A12X Bionic, A13 Bionic,
A14 Bionic, and A15 Bionic chipâ???????protected within the >>>>>> Secure Enclaveâ???????transforms the depth map and infrared >>>>>> image into a mathematical representation and compares
that representation to the enrolled facial data.
Face ID automatically adapts to changes in your
appearance, such as wearing cosmetic makeup or growing
facial hair. If there is a more significant change in
your appearance, like shaving a full beard, Face ID
confirms your identity by using your passcode before it
updates your face data. Face ID is designed to work with
hats, scarves, glasses, contact lenses, and many
sunglasses. Furthermore, it's designed to work indoors,
outdoors, and even in total darkness. With iOS 15.4 and
iPhone 12 or later, Face ID even works with face masks.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/102381>
Thanks. It sounds that it is harder to defeat than fingerprint Id.
Supposedly it is, but in reality some people have fooled Face ID, the >>>> obviusly example being twins or even just someone who looks enough like >>>> a sibling or parent. Some people have reportedly used 3D masks as well. >>>>
I refuse to use either Face ID or Fingerprint ID, or the stupid 'trace >>>> the pattern' options on some phones. A sensible password is all you
need.
So would it recognize my face even after I grew beard?
Yes.
It'll probably work even if he wears one of those gruesome rubber
Halloween masks. Apple stuff always just works.
With a medical mask did not recognize me and I had to use the PIN
number. But that's how I expect it to work, anyway.
Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
On 1/2/2024 4:56 AM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Chris wrote:
Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
On 12/28/2023 10:34 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2023-12-28 20:34:32 +0000, Cameo said:
On 12/28/2023 1:37 AM, Your Name wrote:Supposedly it is, but in reality some people have fooled Face ID, the >>>>>> obviusly example being twins or even just someone who looks enough like >>>>>> a sibling or parent. Some people have reportedly used 3D masks as well. >>>>>>
On 2023-12-27 23:44:40 +0000, Cameo said:
I've noticed with amazement that my iPhone 15 Pro Max can ID my face >>>>>>>>> even in dark. How does it do it? Using infraread light?
Yes. It can't use a simple photo, because that would be far too easy >>>>>>>> to get around (using another photo, etc.). Face ID projects thousands >>>>>>>> of tiny infrared dots onto your face to measure the depth, etc. and >>>>>>>> is purposely designed to also be able to work in total darkness. >>>>>>>>
About Face ID advanced technology
The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most
advanced hardware and software that weâ??????ve ever created. >>>>>>>> The TrueDepth camera captures accurate face data by
projecting and analyzing thousands of invisible dots to
create a depth map of your face and also captures an
infrared image of your face. A portion of the neural
engine of the A11, A12 Bionic, A12X Bionic, A13 Bionic,
A14 Bionic, and A15 Bionic chipâ???????protected within the >>>>>>>> Secure Enclaveâ???????transforms the depth map and infrared >>>>>>>> image into a mathematical representation and compares
that representation to the enrolled facial data.
Face ID automatically adapts to changes in your
appearance, such as wearing cosmetic makeup or growing
facial hair. If there is a more significant change in
your appearance, like shaving a full beard, Face ID
confirms your identity by using your passcode before it
updates your face data. Face ID is designed to work with
hats, scarves, glasses, contact lenses, and many
sunglasses. Furthermore, it's designed to work indoors,
outdoors, and even in total darkness. With iOS 15.4 and
iPhone 12 or later, Face ID even works with face masks.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/102381>
Thanks. It sounds that it is harder to defeat than fingerprint Id. >>>>>>
I refuse to use either Face ID or Fingerprint ID, or the stupid 'trace >>>>>> the pattern' options on some phones. A sensible password is all you >>>>>> need.
So would it recognize my face even after I grew beard?
Yes.
It'll probably work even if he wears one of those gruesome rubber
Halloween masks. Apple stuff always just works.
With a medical mask did not recognize me and I had to use the PIN
number. But that's how I expect it to work, anyway.
But you can tell iPhone to do your masked face since iOS v15.4 in
supported iPhones as shown in https://support.apple.com/en-us/102452. I
know 11 Pro Max can't do it. For my 12 mini, masked Face ID doesn't
always work compared to no masks. I have to adjust my iPhone and move my
head to get it to work.
On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 08:34:45 +1100, Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
On 2023-12-28 20:34:32 +0000, Cameo said:
On 12/28/2023 1:37 AM, Your Name wrote:
On 2023-12-27 23:44:40 +0000, Cameo said:Thanks. It sounds that it is harder to defeat than fingerprint Id.
I've noticed with amazement that my iPhone 15 Pro Max can ID my face >>>>> even in dark. How does it do it? Using infraread light?Yes. It can't use a simple photo, because that would be far too easy to >>>> get around (using another photo, etc.). Face ID projects thousands of
tiny infrared dots onto your face to measure the depth, etc. and is
purposely designed to also be able to work in total darkness.
About Face ID advanced technology
The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most
advanced hardware and software that we’ve ever created.
The TrueDepth camera captures accurate face data by
projecting and analyzing thousands of invisible dots to
create a depth map of your face and also captures an
infrared image of your face. A portion of the neural
engine of the A11, A12 Bionic, A12X Bionic, A13 Bionic,
A14 Bionic, and A15 Bionic chip—protected within the
Secure Enclave—transforms the depth map and infrared
image into a mathematical representation and compares
that representation to the enrolled facial data.
Face ID automatically adapts to changes in your
appearance, such as wearing cosmetic makeup or growing
facial hair. If there is a more significant change in
your appearance, like shaving a full beard, Face ID
confirms your identity by using your passcode before it
updates your face data. Face ID is designed to work with
hats, scarves, glasses, contact lenses, and many
sunglasses. Furthermore, it's designed to work indoors,
outdoors, and even in total darkness. With iOS 15.4 and
iPhone 12 or later, Face ID even works with face masks.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/102381>
Supposedly it is, but in reality some people have fooled Face ID, the
obviusly example being twins or even just someone who looks enough like
a sibling or parent. Some people have reportedly used 3D masks as well.
I refuse to use either Face ID or Fingerprint ID,
More fool you. 1
or the stupid 'trace the pattern' options on some phones. A sensible
password is all you need.
But is nowhere near as convenient to use.
Chris wrote:
Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
So would it recognize my face even after I grew beard?
Yes.
It'll probably work even if he wears one of those gruesome rubber
Halloween masks.
Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
On 1/2/2024 4:56 AM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Chris wrote:
Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
So would it recognize my face even after I grew beard?
Yes.
It'll probably work even if he wears one of those gruesome rubber
Halloween masks. Apple stuff always just works.
With a medical mask did not recognize me and I had to use the PIN
number. But that's how I expect it to work, anyway.
But you can tell iPhone to do your masked face since iOS v15.4 in
supported iPhones as shown in https://support.apple.com/en-us/102452.
On 2024-01-02 23:06:42 +0000, ken said:
On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 08:34:45 +1100, Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com>
wrote:
On 2023-12-28 20:34:32 +0000, Cameo said:
On 12/28/2023 1:37 AM, Your Name wrote:
On 2023-12-27 23:44:40 +0000, Cameo said:Thanks. It sounds that it is harder to defeat than fingerprint Id.
I've noticed with amazement that my iPhone 15 Pro Max can ID myYes. It can't use a simple photo, because that would be far too
face even in dark. How does it do it? Using infraread light?
easy to get around (using another photo, etc.). Face ID projects
thousands of tiny infrared dots onto your face to measure the
depth, etc. and is purposely designed to also be able to work in
total darkness.
About Face ID advanced technology
The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most
advanced hardware and software that we’ve ever created.
The TrueDepth camera captures accurate face data by
projecting and analyzing thousands of invisible dots to
create a depth map of your face and also captures an
infrared image of your face. A portion of the neural
engine of the A11, A12 Bionic, A12X Bionic, A13 Bionic,
A14 Bionic, and A15 Bionic chip—protected within the
Secure Enclave—transforms the depth map and infrared
image into a mathematical representation and compares
that representation to the enrolled facial data.
Face ID automatically adapts to changes in your
appearance, such as wearing cosmetic makeup or growing
facial hair. If there is a more significant change in
your appearance, like shaving a full beard, Face ID
confirms your identity by using your passcode before it
updates your face data. Face ID is designed to work with
hats, scarves, glasses, contact lenses, and many
sunglasses. Furthermore, it's designed to work indoors,
outdoors, and even in total darkness. With iOS 15.4 and
iPhone 12 or later, Face ID even works with face masks.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/102381>
Supposedly it is, but in reality some people have fooled Face ID, the
obviusly example being twins or even just someone who looks enough
like a sibling or parent. Some people have reportedly used 3D masks
as well.
I refuse to use either Face ID or Fingerprint ID,
More fool you. 1
or the stupid 'trace the pattern' options on some phones. A sensible
password is all you need.
But is nowhere near as convenient to use.
It takes a couple of seconds (at most) longer ... whoop-de-doo! :-\
I'm not a lazy-ass, so I'd rather have usability and reliablility over
flakey gimmickry any day.
On 2024-01-02, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
On 1/2/2024 4:56 AM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Chris wrote:
Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
So would it recognize my face even after I grew beard?
Yes.
It'll probably work even if he wears one of those gruesome rubber
Halloween masks. Apple stuff always just works.
With a medical mask did not recognize me and I had to use the PIN
number. But that's how I expect it to work, anyway.
But you can tell iPhone to do your masked face since iOS v15.4 in
supported iPhones as shown in https://support.apple.com/en-us/102452.
While you can do that, it reduces security since it effectively tells
Face ID to ignore the bottom portion of your face that is covered by a
mask. A much more secure option is to unlock your iPhone with your Apple Watch while wearing a mask. I've used that method extensively, and it's great.
On 1/3/2024 3:34 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-01-02, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
On 1/2/2024 4:56 AM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Chris wrote:
Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
So would it recognize my face even after I grew beard?
Yes.
It'll probably work even if he wears one of those gruesome rubber
Halloween masks. Apple stuff always just works.
With a medical mask did not recognize me and I had to use the PIN
number. But that's how I expect it to work, anyway.
But you can tell iPhone to do your masked face since iOS v15.4 in
supported iPhones as shown in
https://support.apple.com/en-us/102452.
While you can do that, it reduces security since it effectively tells
Face ID to ignore the bottom portion of your face that is covered by
a mask. A much more secure option is to unlock your iPhone with your
Apple Watch while wearing a mask. I've used that method extensively,
and it's great.
It was enough spending for the iPhone 15 Pro Max for now.
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