But Android could use that to its
advantage if it wants to succeed at a similar level as Apple has.
People assessing the market have to consider there is only one iPhone
company versus, oh, what? At least a dozen or so Android makers.
Right?
If you compare all Android sales in the world against all iPhone
sales in the world, it would be interesting if the iPhone comes out
on top or not.
If we combine Android makers' world-wide sales, and if we compare
those to Apple's iOS world-wide sales, is there any metric where
Apple shines?
... is there _any metric whatsoever_ where iPhones beat Android
phones?
If you compare all Android sales in the world against all iPhone
sales in the world, it would be interesting if the iPhone comes out
on top or not.
Android phone makers don't pool their resources and work individually,
they are each a separate entity trying to sell the same thing with a different skin and a few minor differences. If the individual Android
phone makers can't remain profitable they will either be taken over by
other ones or just go out of business. Of course this is not good for innovation, competition, or price control.
Wally J wrote:
If we combine Android makers' world-wide sales, and if we compare
those to Apple's iOS world-wide sales, is there any metric where
Apple shines?
... is there _any metric whatsoever_ where iPhones beat Android
phones?
I don't have the proper information, but my guess would be iPhone
shines in sales of high end (expensive) phones.
The iPhone is becoming the ???default??? phone for most people around the world. The future of Android flagships looks grim in comparison.
The iPhone is so dominant in America that it's considered the default best phone. In American culture, there are memes mocking Android users, news reports of teens feeling left out at school if they're on an Android, and people being left off family group chats if they're not on iMessage.
Android phones are considered second-grade devices to many Americans.
But as mentioned earlier, there are, in fact, lots of Android users in America. But at the risk of overgeneralizing, we can deduce by looking at flagship phone sales and anecdotes that American Android users tend to fall into two groups: mobile enthusiasts (phone nerds, like people who frequent XDA forums) or those on a tighter budget. But Android could use that to its advantage if it wants to succeed at a similar level as Apple has.
Recent sales figures provide further evidence. Recent Counterpoint research shows phone sales have fallen year-over-year for the third straight year, with only Apple seeing meaningful growth. Another report by Canalys
reported that, of the top 15 flagship phones sold worldwide in Q1 of 2023, the iPhones took seven spots, including the first four.
This all paints a really grim picture for Android flagships, which are bending over backwards fighting each other for scraps of the global market share. If Samsung, Huawei, and Oppo can't even win their home countries' market share, what hope is there globally? This makes me, a mobile
enthusiast who prefers Android phones because they push hardware innovation at a faster pace, concerned for the future. Ultimately, these companies are running a business, and if no one is buying flagship Android phones, then they'll eventually stop making them, which will bring new designs and innovation to a halt.
Of course, not all iPhone users are on it for superficial reasons. Some genuinely like Apple's products and services, and the company does a very good job of locking users in once they dive into the walled garden.
Honestly, I don't see Android phone brands ever matching Apple in brand cachet or ecosystem. The only option for Android flagships to survive is to pivot even harder toward power users and enthusiasts with innovative, niche products.
Of course, none of this may work. I have no experience running a company or selling products. But whatever the case, the iPhone is slowly winning the whole mobile war, and Android brands have got to try something different before it's too late.
https://www.xda-developers.com/iphone-casual-users-android-enthusiasts/
The iPhone is becoming the “default” phone for most people around the world.
On 8/28/23 17:36, badgolferman wrote:
people being left off family group chats if they're not on iMessage.
I never understood this. Why do people get so upset when they text a
person on an Android phone? The color of the bubbles are just a
little different, what's the problem?
people being left off family group chats if they're not on iMessage.
people being left off family group chats if they're not on iMessage.
I never understood this. Why do people get so upset when they text a
person on an Android phone? The color of the bubbles are just a
little different, what's the problem?
There are iMessage features which do not translate over to SMS. It
tends to break up the conversation into simpler modes. One such
example would be the Thumbs Up/Down, HaHa, etc. responses used from
long presses on a message. There are more such functions that don't
work on SMS.
If we combine Android makers' world-wide sales, and if we compare
those to Apple's iOS world-wide sales, is there any metric where
Apple shines?
... is there _any metric whatsoever_ where iPhones beat Android
phones?
I don't have the proper information, but my guess would be iPhone
shines in sales of high end (expensive) phones.
On 31/8/2023, badgolferman wrote:
people being left off family group chats if they're not on iMessage.
I never understood this. Why do people get so upset when they text a
person on an Android phone? The color of the bubbles are just a
little different, what's the problem?
There are iMessage features which do not translate over to SMS. It
tends to break up the conversation into simpler modes. One such
example would be the Thumbs Up/Down, HaHa, etc. responses used from
long presses on a message. There are more such functions that don't
work on SMS.
You're correct that iMessage does things style-conscious kids love to do.
Am 31.08.23 um 19:34 schrieb Ankora:
On 31/8/2023, badgolferman wrote:
people being left off family group chats if they're not on iMessage.
I never understood this. Why do people get so upset when they text a
person on an Android phone? The color of the bubbles are just a
little different, what's the problem?
There are iMessage features which do not translate over to SMS. It
tends to break up the conversation into simpler modes. One such
example would be the Thumbs Up/Down, HaHa, etc. responses used from
long presses on a message. There are more such functions that don't
work on SMS.
You're correct that iMessage does things style-conscious kids love to do.
Chatterbox.
On 2023-08-29 06:11, badgolferman wrote:
Wally J wrote:
If we combine Android makers' world-wide sales, and if we compare
those to Apple's iOS world-wide sales, is there any metric where
Apple shines?
... is there _any metric whatsoever_ where iPhones beat Android
phones?
I don't have the proper information, but my guess would be iPhone
shines in sales of high end (expensive) phones.
Customer satisfaction.
Despite all those different Android phone manufacturers, Apple's iPhone
wins for customer satisfaction:
'This year, both Apple and Google saw an increase in satisfaction
levels, with the two companies jumping up to 81 points and 78 points, respectively. Samsung maintained its status at 80, which means users are
just as satisfied with the Korean giant's latest handsets as they were
with last year's phones. But more importantly, Apple now has pole
position to itself.'
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/two-phone-makers-dominate-this-years-customer-satisfaction-index-and-im-not-surprised/>
rdh wrote:
On 8/28/23 17:36, badgolferman wrote:
people being left off family group chats if they're not on iMessage.
I never understood this. Why do people get so upset when they text a
person on an Android phone? The color of the bubbles are just a
little different, what's the problem?
There are iMessage features which do not translate over to SMS. It
tends to break up the conversation into simpler modes. One such
example would be the Thumbs Up/Down, HaHa, etc. responses used from
long presses on a message. There are more such functions that don't
work on SMS.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
rdh wrote:Blue is so much better than green.
On 8/28/23 17:36, badgolferman wrote:
people being left off family group chats if they're not on iMessage.
I never understood this. Why do people get so upset when they text a
person on an Android phone? The color of the bubbles are just a
little different, what's the problem?
There are iMessage features which do not translate over to SMS. It
tends to break up the conversation into simpler modes. One such
example would be the Thumbs Up/Down, HaHa, etc. responses used from
long presses on a message. There are more such functions that don't
work on SMS.
On 31/8/2023, badgolferman wrote:
people being left off family group chats if they're not on iMessage.
I never understood this. Why do people get so upset when they text a
person on an Android phone? The color of the bubbles are just a
little different, what's the problem?
There are iMessage features which do not translate over to SMS. It
tends to break up the conversation into simpler modes. One such
example would be the Thumbs Up/Down, HaHa, etc. responses used from
long presses on a message. There are more such functions that don't
work on SMS.
You're correct that iMessage does things style-conscious kids love to do.
We all read the Apple executives fear-filled emails proving Apple's
biggest hold on kids is this iMessage functionality which impressionable
kids love.
Those executives predicted, in their own emails, that if Apple allowed developers to write iOS messaging apps which did what the consumer
wanted them to do, it would be the death of the iPhone in that key
target market.
Hence, the main thing in that critical target market of parents purchasing phones young kids want which is keeping the iPhone alive in that market is Apple's iron-clad strict limitations on what a default sms/mms app can do.
Which proves, yet again, the walled garden is the only thing that keeps
Apple alive - for without the walled garden - an iMessage replacement would have every feature that these young impressionable kids could pine for.
On 2023-08-31 15:14, Hemidactylus wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
rdh wrote:Blue is so much better than green.
On 8/28/23 17:36, badgolferman wrote:
people being left off family group chats if they're not on
iMessage.
I never understood this. Why do people get so upset when they
text a person on an Android phone? The color of the bubbles are
just a little different, what's the problem?
There are iMessage features which do not translate over to SMS.
It tends to break up the conversation into simpler modes. One
such example would be the Thumbs Up/Down, HaHa, etc. responses
used from long presses on a message. There are more such
functions that don't work on SMS.
Group texting
Reactions to messages
Knowing a reply is being composed
Knowing when a message is read.
Those are all "better than green"
Alan wrote:
On 2023-08-31 15:14, Hemidactylus wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
rdh wrote:Blue is so much better than green.
On 8/28/23 17:36, badgolferman wrote:
people being left off family group chats if they're not on
iMessage.
I never understood this. Why do people get so upset when they
text a person on an Android phone? The color of the bubbles are
just a little different, what's the problem?
There are iMessage features which do not translate over to SMS.
It tends to break up the conversation into simpler modes. One
such example would be the Thumbs Up/Down, HaHa, etc. responses
used from long presses on a message. There are more such
functions that don't work on SMS.
Group texting
Reactions to messages
Knowing a reply is being composed
Knowing when a message is read.
Those are all "better than green"
The worse thing about green is white text on light green bubble, which
is hard to read. White text on blue bubble is much easier to read
since it's got more contrast. The only way to make the SMS message
higher contrast is to change the Accessibility setting. I don't see
why Apple doesn't provide the ability to change the SMS colors to
something the user would prefer. How difficult would that be to
implement? I guess no one wants it and it's not needed...
On 2023-08-31 21:24, Wally J wrote:
*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
[snipped and ignored]
*iOS ===> designed for a technically incompetent consumer base*
Otherwise, Apple wouldn't have promoted the "it just works" campaign.
Meanwhile, iOS does NOT work for thousands (upon thousands!) of very useful >> functional things that _every_ other consumer OS easily does.
But which so few consumers care about that they buy iPhones anyway!
:-)
On 2023-08-31 18:56, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-08-31 15:14, Hemidactylus wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
rdh wrote:Blue is so much better than green.
On 8/28/23 17:36, badgolferman wrote:
people being left off family group chats if they're not on
iMessage.
I never understood this. Why do people get so upset when they
text a person on an Android phone? The color of the bubbles are
just a little different, what's the problem?
There are iMessage features which do not translate over to SMS.
It tends to break up the conversation into simpler modes. One
such example would be the Thumbs Up/Down, HaHa, etc. responses
used from long presses on a message. There are more such
functions that don't work on SMS.
Group texting
Reactions to messages
Knowing a reply is being composed
Knowing when a message is read.
Those are all "better than green"
The worse thing about green is white text on light green bubble, which
is hard to read. White text on blue bubble is much easier to read
since it's got more contrast. The only way to make the SMS message
higher contrast is to change the Accessibility setting. I don't see
why Apple doesn't provide the ability to change the SMS colors to
something the user would prefer. How difficult would that be to
implement? I guess no one wants it and it's not needed...
Sorry, but I have only so-so vision for reading and I have no trouble at
all with green text on white.
I think you're making up a problem where none exists.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-08-31 18:56, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-08-31 15:14, Hemidactylus wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
rdh wrote:Blue is so much better than green.
On 8/28/23 17:36, badgolferman wrote:
people being left off family group chats if they're not on
iMessage.
I never understood this. Why do people get so upset when they
text a person on an Android phone? The color of the bubbles are
just a little different, what's the problem?
There are iMessage features which do not translate over to SMS.
It tends to break up the conversation into simpler modes. One
such example would be the Thumbs Up/Down, HaHa, etc. responses
used from long presses on a message. There are more such
functions that don't work on SMS.
Group texting
Reactions to messages
Knowing a reply is being composed
Knowing when a message is read.
Those are all "better than green"
The worse thing about green is white text on light green bubble, which
is hard to read. White text on blue bubble is much easier to read
since it's got more contrast. The only way to make the SMS message
higher contrast is to change the Accessibility setting. I don't see
why Apple doesn't provide the ability to change the SMS colors to
something the user would prefer. How difficult would that be to
implement? I guess no one wants it and it's not needed...
Sorry, but I have only so-so vision for reading and I have no trouble at
all with green text on white.
I think you're making up a problem where none exists.
Green text on white would be better, but that’s not what I said. Your reading comprehension needs work.
Wally J wrote:
If we combine Android makers' world-wide sales, and if we compare
those to Apple's iOS world-wide sales, is there any metric where
Apple shines?
... is there _any metric whatsoever_ where iPhones beat Android
phones?
I don't have the proper information, but my guess would be iPhone
shines in sales of high end (expensive) phones.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-08-31 18:56, badgolferman wrote:
The worse thing about green is white text on light green bubble,
which is hard to read. White text on blue bubble is much easier to
read since it's got more contrast. The only way to make the SMS
message higher contrast is to change the Accessibility setting. I
don't see why Apple doesn't provide the ability to change the SMS
colors to something the user would prefer. How difficult would that
be to implement? I guess no one wants it and it's not needed...
Sorry, but I have only so-so vision for reading and I have no trouble
at all with green text on white.
I think you're making up a problem where none exists.
Green text on white would be better, but that’s not what I said. Your reading comprehension needs work.
On 8/28/23 17:36, badgolferman wrote:
people being left off family group chats if they're not on iMessage.
I never understood this. Why do people get so upset when they text a
person on an Android phone? The color of the bubbles are just a little different, what's the problem?
I don't have the proper information, but my guess would be iPhone
shines in sales of high end (expensive) phones.
iPhones shine in profit. A phone that has $300 in components and sells
for $800 is a lot better than a phone that has $80 in components and
sells for $150. Not a lot of money in selling low-end phones.
It's usually the *Android* users who get upset. Since they don't have iMessage, the messages are setn to (and from) them as traditional
SMS/MMS messages, which means they don't get all of the features that iMessage offers.
On 2023-09-01, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-08-31 21:24, Wally J wrote:
*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
[snipped and ignored]
*iOS ===> designed for a technically incompetent consumer base*
Otherwise, Apple wouldn't have promoted the "it just works" campaign. >>>
Meanwhile, iOS does NOT work for thousands (upon thousands!) of very useful >>> functional things that _every_ other consumer OS easily does.
But which so few consumers care about that they buy iPhones anyway!
:-)
I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that Arlen is willing to settle for
one of those wimpy, crippled Android phones, when all the EDUCATED
ADULTS in the world are are hacking REAL phones, capable of nearly
anything.
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-smartphone-ourphone> is
merely one example of such a device. There are several others.
BTW, that was an example of satire. I'm quite satisfied with my iPhone.
If a company is making that much profit off each device, whose fault is it?
the last line. I suppose the rest of you have most of these message
threads killfiled, so I end up alone trying to joke with a sociopath.
Shame on me!
The iPhone 15 is likely to result in the long-awaited "super-cycle,"
first because so many users have been delaying upgrades while waiting
for the iPhone 15 with USB-C, and second, it's three years since the
biggest upgrade since the iPhone 12 with came out with 5G, and third,
because the non-Pro models are likely to get higher-refresh screens for
the first time.
On 2023-09-01, Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-01, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-08-31 21:24, Wally J wrote:
*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
[snipped and ignored]
*iOS ===> designed for a technically incompetent consumer base*
Otherwise, Apple wouldn't have promoted the "it just works" campaign. >>>>
Meanwhile, iOS does NOT work for thousands (upon thousands!) of very useful
functional things that _every_ other consumer OS easily does.
But which so few consumers care about that they buy iPhones anyway!
:-)
I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that Arlen is willing to settle for
one of those wimpy, crippled Android phones, when all the EDUCATED
ADULTS in the world are are hacking REAL phones, capable of nearly
anything.
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-smartphone-ourphone>
is merely one example of such a device. There are several others.
BTW, that was an example of satire. I'm quite satisfied with my
iPhone.
It's really a shame Arlen does not get satire. Hell, I worked a lot,
put in some research on that post, but all he managed to quote was
half of the last line. I suppose the rest of you have most of these
message threads killfiled, so I end up alone trying to joke with a
sociopath. Shame on me!
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
It's usually the *Android* users who get upset. Since they don't have
iMessage, the messages are setn to (and from) them as traditional
SMS/MMS messages, which means they don't get all of the features that
iMessage offers.
I get, with PulseSMS, _all_ the features you "think" you're getting
with iMessages
Since you're ignorant
Tell us, Jolly Roger, what iMessages does that PulseSMS doesn't do.
On Fri, 1 Sep 2023 09:24:52 -0700, sms wrote:
I don't have the proper information, but my guess would be iPhone
shines in sales of high end (expensive) phones.
iPhones shine in profit. A phone that has $300 in components and sells
for $800 is a lot better than a phone that has $80 in components and
sells for $150. Not a lot of money in selling low-end phones.
If a company is making that much profit off each device, whose fault is it?
all demonstrably false no matter how many times you make that baseless
claim and and further, the need of a super-cycle indicates a deep misunderstanding of the industry.
all demonstrably false no matter how many times you make that baseless claim and and further, the need of a super-cycle indicates a deep misunderstanding of the industry.
Even a broken clock gets it right twice a day.
iPhone sales have been down this year.
The main driver of the current 'cycle' is Covid. A lot of electronics
were sold in 2020/21/22 and that saturated the market - not just for iPhone.
The iPhone 14 was nothing special
and it's no secret the iPhone 15 will
have USB-C (or no connector at all) - and that's enough to slow current iPhone sales a lot while waiting for the 15.
Indeed my SO will be getting one to replace her iPhone 7.
On 2023-09-01, Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-01, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-08-31 21:24, Wally J wrote:
*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
[snipped and ignored]
*iOS ===> designed for a technically incompetent consumer base*
Otherwise, Apple wouldn't have promoted the "it just works" campaign. >>>>
Meanwhile, iOS does NOT work for thousands (upon thousands!) of very useful
functional things that _every_ other consumer OS easily does.
But which so few consumers care about that they buy iPhones anyway!
:-)
I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that Arlen is willing to settle for
one of those wimpy, crippled Android phones, when all the EDUCATED
ADULTS in the world are are hacking REAL phones, capable of nearly
anything.
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-smartphone-ourphone> is
merely one example of such a device. There are several others.
BTW, that was an example of satire. I'm quite satisfied with my iPhone.
It's really a shame Arlen does not get satire. Hell, I worked a lot, put
in some research on that post, but all he managed to quote was half of
the last line. I suppose the rest of you have most of these message
threads killfiled, so I end up alone trying to joke with a sociopath.
Shame on me!
In article <ucsvq2$eeu$1@paganini.bofh.team>,
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
lots of old man's ejaculate wiped
Hi Arlen
your public masturbation is not welcome in the Apple new groups
Find another place where your dick is appreciated
In article <VVGIM.390372$Fgta.89139@fx10.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
all demonstrably false no matter how many times you make that baseless
claim and and further, the need of a super-cycle indicates a deep
misunderstanding of the industry.
Even a broken clock gets it right twice a day.
indeed.
iPhone sales have been down this year.
actually, they've been up. what were you saying about clocks?
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/04/03/how-iphone-14-sales-compare- to-iphone-12-iphone-13>
not what anyone would call down.
The main driver of the current 'cycle' is Covid. A lot of electronics
were sold in 2020/21/22 and that saturated the market - not just for iPhone.
true, but mostly affected laptops and desktops due to work from home.
phones were less affected.
The iPhone 14 was nothing special
sales show that to be false. see above.
and it's no secret the iPhone 15 will
have USB-C (or no connector at all) - and that's enough to slow current
iPhone sales a lot while waiting for the 15.
not in the least. most people don't care what connector is used nor are
they even aware it's going to change.
further, switching connectors is going to annoy a lot of users who now
have to buy new cables and accessories. the one cable in the box isn't
going to replace the many more they have scattered in different rooms
of their home, car, travel bag, etc. the various accessories will cost
much more to replace.
Indeed my SO will be getting one to replace her iPhone 7.
that's a huge jump :)
In article <ucsvq2$eeu$1@paganini.bofh.team>,
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
lots of old man's ejaculate wiped
Hi Arlen
your public masturbation is not welcome in the Apple new groups
Find another place where your dick is appreciated
iPhone sales have been down this year.
actually, they've been up. what were you saying about clocks?
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/04/03/how-iphone-14-sales-compare- to-iphone-12-iphone-13>
I misquoted. It's last quarter v. same Q in 2022 that is down:
"Almost all of Apple's hardware product categories sold less this
quarter than they did in the same quarter in 2022. iPhone revenue was
$39.67 billion, down 2 percent."
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/08/iphone-sales-are-down-but-apples-subsc
riptions-are-growing-fast/
not what anyone would call down.
See above - last quarter.
and it's no secret the iPhone 15 will
have USB-C (or no connector at all) - and that's enough to slow current
iPhone sales a lot while waiting for the 15.
not in the least. most people don't care what connector is used nor are they even aware it's going to change.
While I'm ambivalent, one of my clients who issues iPhones and iPads to
his employees (50 or so) for office and road work can't wait for the transition and to be rid of the Lightning cable. Though it will take
him 2 years to replace all of them (3 versions).
further, switching connectors is going to annoy a lot of users who now
have to buy new cables and accessories. the one cable in the box isn't going to replace the many more they have scattered in different rooms
of their home, car, travel bag, etc. the various accessories will cost
much more to replace.
Agree. OTOH, you can also get adapters from Amazon cheaply. Though
that means the bandwidth is choked. Not that that's much of an issue
for most people where the iPhone is concerned.
Indeed my SO will be getting one to replace her iPhone 7.
that's a huge jump :)
It was a perfect phone for her needs. Size, display, etc. and fits
with our eco. concerns.
In article <AVHIM.1067223$GMN3.513755@fx16.iad>, Alan Browne
Indeed my SO will be getting one to replace her iPhone 7.
that's a huge jump :)
It was a perfect phone for her needs. Size, display, etc. and fits
with our eco. concerns.
why not replace it with an se 2022? it has the same size/display, etc,
but with a huge performance increase.
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