Does iOS have a native app to perform a video capture of my iPhone screen
so I can demonstrate how to do something? I’d like to do that and send it by either email or iMessage to my mother. Also can I take a screenshot of a certain moment of the video capture?
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Does iOS have a native app to perform a video capture of my iPhone screen
so I can demonstrate how to do something? I’d like to do that and send it >> by either email or iMessage to my mother. Also can I take a screenshot of a >> certain moment of the video capture?
In settings go to Control Center. One of the options is screen recording, which you can add to your control center from there. Then when you want to record what is on your screen, you just access the control center, hit the record button and it should do what you want.
—
Paul Goodman
Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Does iOS have a native app to perform a video capture of my iPhone screen >>> so I can demonstrate how to do something? I’d like to do that and send it >>> by either email or iMessage to my mother. Also can I take a screenshot of a >>> certain moment of the video capture?
In settings go to Control Center. One of the options is screen recording,
which you can add to your control center from there. Then when you want to >> record what is on your screen, you just access the control center, hit the >> record button and it should do what you want.
—
Paul Goodman
Thank you.
On 2023-06-11 11:38, badgolferman wrote:
Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Does iOS have a native app to perform a video capture of my
iPhone screen so I can demonstrate how to do something? I’d
like to do that and send it by either email or iMessage to my
mother. Also can I take a screenshot of a certain moment of the
video capture?
In settings go to Control Center. One of the options is screen
recording, which you can add to your control center from there.
Then when you want to record what is on your screen, you just
access the control center, hit the record button and it should do
what you want.
—
Paul Goodman
Thank you.
I'm guessing the web isn't working where you live, huh?
Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-11 11:38, badgolferman wrote:
Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Does iOS have a native app to perform a video capture of my
iPhone screen so I can demonstrate how to do something? I’d
like to do that and send it by either email or iMessage to my
mother. Also can I take a screenshot of a certain moment of the
video capture?
In settings go to Control Center. One of the options is screen
recording, which you can add to your control center from there.
Then when you want to record what is on your screen, you just
access the control center, hit the record button and it should do
what you want.
—
Paul Goodman
Thank you.
I'm guessing the web isn't working where you live, huh?
Hey wise guy... what's the purpose of this newsgroup? Would you rather
have this topic or the other trash which has permeated the group?
Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Does iOS have a native app to perform a video capture of my iPhone screen >>> so I can demonstrate how to do something? I’d like to do that and send it >>> by either email or iMessage to my mother. Also can I take a screenshot of a >>> certain moment of the video capture?
In settings go to Control Center. One of the options is screen recording,
which you can add to your control center from there. Then when you want to >> record what is on your screen, you just access the control center, hit the >> record button and it should do what you want.
Wow, nice. I had no idea about this. Thanks.
FINALLY, an honest question and a real answer. Beats the hell out of the normal drivel here.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Does iOS have a native app to perform a video capture of my iPhone screen
so I can demonstrate how to do something? I’d like to do that and send it >> by either email or iMessage to my mother. Also can I take a screenshot of a >> certain moment of the video capture?
In settings go to Control Center. One of the options is screen recording, which you can add to your control center from there. Then when you want to record what is on your screen, you just access the control center, hit the record button and it should do what you want.
Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Does iOS have a native app to perform a video capture of my iPhone screen >>> so I can demonstrate how to do something? I’d like to do that and send it >>> by either email or iMessage to my mother. Also can I take a screenshot of a >>> certain moment of the video capture?
In settings go to Control Center. One of the options is screen recording,
which you can add to your control center from there. Then when you want to >> record what is on your screen, you just access the control center, hit the >> record button and it should do what you want.
—
Paul Goodman
Thank you.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-12 10:22, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-11 11:38, badgolferman wrote:
Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Does iOS have a native app to perform a video capture of my
iPhone screen so I can demonstrate how to do something? I’d
like to do that and send it by either email or iMessage to my
mother. Also can I take a screenshot of a certain moment of the
video capture?
In settings go to Control Center. One of the options is screen
recording, which you can add to your control center from there.
Then when you want to record what is on your screen, you just
access the control center, hit the record button and it should do
what you want.
—
Paul Goodman
Thank you.
I'm guessing the web isn't working where you live, huh?
Hey wise guy... what's the purpose of this newsgroup? Would you rather
have this topic or the other trash which has permeated the group?
Given your previous posting history, I'm pretty sure that you were
attempting a "Ha, ha! Another thing that iOS can't do, but Android can!"
The purpose of this group isn't to answer a question that literally 30
seconds of Googling could have answered faster.
You have me confused with someone else. I don’t have an Android phone so I don’t really care what it can do. I want to know the secrets of iOS.
On 2023-06-12 10:22, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-11 11:38, badgolferman wrote:
Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Does iOS have a native app to perform a video capture of my
iPhone screen so I can demonstrate how to do something? I’d
like to do that and send it by either email or iMessage to my
mother. Also can I take a screenshot of a certain moment of the
video capture?
In settings go to Control Center. One of the options is screen
recording, which you can add to your control center from there.
Then when you want to record what is on your screen, you just
access the control center, hit the record button and it should do
what you want.
—
Paul Goodman
Thank you.
I'm guessing the web isn't working where you live, huh?
Hey wise guy... what's the purpose of this newsgroup? Would you rather
have this topic or the other trash which has permeated the group?
Given your previous posting history, I'm pretty sure that you were
attempting a "Ha, ha! Another thing that iOS can't do, but Android can!"
The purpose of this group isn't to answer a question that literally 30 seconds of Googling could have answered faster.
On 2023-06-12 15:50, badgolferman wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-12 10:22, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-11 11:38, badgolferman wrote:
Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Does iOS have a native app to perform a video capture of my
iPhone screen so I can demonstrate how to do something? I’d
like to do that and send it by either email or iMessage to my
mother. Also can I take a screenshot of a certain moment of the >>>>>>>> video capture?
In settings go to Control Center. One of the options is screen
recording, which you can add to your control center from there.
Then when you want to record what is on your screen, you just
access the control center, hit the record button and it should do >>>>>>> what you want.
—
Paul Goodman
Thank you.
I'm guessing the web isn't working where you live, huh?
Hey wise guy... what's the purpose of this newsgroup? Would you rather >>>> have this topic or the other trash which has permeated the group?
Given your previous posting history, I'm pretty sure that you were
attempting a "Ha, ha! Another thing that iOS can't do, but Android can!" >>>
The purpose of this group isn't to answer a question that literally 30
seconds of Googling could have answered faster.
You have me confused with someone else. I don’t have an Android phone so I >> don’t really care what it can do. I want to know the secrets of iOS.
So you posted to Usenet, hoping to get an answer...
...rather than typing a three word search:
"screen recording ios"
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=screen+recording+ios&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&bshm=nce/1
Literally the first link.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-12 15:50, badgolferman wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-12 10:22, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-11 11:38, badgolferman wrote:
Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Does iOS have a native app to perform a video capture of my
iPhone screen so I can demonstrate how to do something? I’d >>>>>>>>> like to do that and send it by either email or iMessage to my >>>>>>>>> mother. Also can I take a screenshot of a certain moment of the >>>>>>>>> video capture?
In settings go to Control Center. One of the options is screen >>>>>>>> recording, which you can add to your control center from there. >>>>>>>> Then when you want to record what is on your screen, you just
access the control center, hit the record button and it should do >>>>>>>> what you want.
—
Paul Goodman
Thank you.
I'm guessing the web isn't working where you live, huh?
Hey wise guy... what's the purpose of this newsgroup? Would you rather >>>>> have this topic or the other trash which has permeated the group?
Given your previous posting history, I'm pretty sure that you were
attempting a "Ha, ha! Another thing that iOS can't do, but Android can!" >>>>
The purpose of this group isn't to answer a question that literally 30 >>>> seconds of Googling could have answered faster.
You have me confused with someone else. I don’t have an Android phone so I
don’t really care what it can do. I want to know the secrets of iOS.
So you posted to Usenet, hoping to get an answer...
...rather than typing a three word search:
"screen recording ios"
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=screen+recording+ios&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&bshm=nce/1
Literally the first link.
Have you noticed the activity on this group the last week or so? Maybe more iPhone related topics are in order. You’re trying to make this into something ugly now. Just go away troll.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-12 15:50, badgolferman wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-12 10:22, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-11 11:38, badgolferman wrote:
Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Does iOS have a native app to perform a video capture of my
iPhone screen so I can demonstrate how to do something? I’d >>>>>>>>> like to do that and send it by either email or iMessage to my >>>>>>>>> mother. Also can I take a screenshot of a certain moment of the >>>>>>>>> video capture?
In settings go to Control Center. One of the options is screen >>>>>>>> recording, which you can add to your control center from there. >>>>>>>> Then when you want to record what is on your screen, you just
access the control center, hit the record button and it should do >>>>>>>> what you want.
—
Paul Goodman
Thank you.
I'm guessing the web isn't working where you live, huh?
Hey wise guy... what's the purpose of this newsgroup? Would you rather >>>>> have this topic or the other trash which has permeated the group?
Given your previous posting history, I'm pretty sure that you were
attempting a "Ha, ha! Another thing that iOS can't do, but Android can!" >>>>
The purpose of this group isn't to answer a question that literally 30 >>>> seconds of Googling could have answered faster.
You have me confused with someone else. I don’t have an Android phone so I
don’t really care what it can do. I want to know the secrets of iOS.
So you posted to Usenet, hoping to get an answer...
...rather than typing a three word search:
"screen recording ios"
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=screen+recording+ios&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&bshm=nce/1
Literally the first link.
Have you noticed the activity on this group the last week or so? Maybe more iPhone related topics are in order. You’re trying to make this into something ugly now. Just go away troll.
On 2023-06-12 16:22, badgolferman wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-12 15:50, badgolferman wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-12 10:22, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-11 11:38, badgolferman wrote:
Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Does iOS have a native app to perform a video capture of my >>>>>>>>>> iPhone screen so I can demonstrate how to do something? I’d >>>>>>>>>> like to do that and send it by either email or iMessage to my >>>>>>>>>> mother. Also can I take a screenshot of a certain moment of the >>>>>>>>>> video capture?
In settings go to Control Center. One of the options is screen >>>>>>>>> recording, which you can add to your control center from there. >>>>>>>>> Then when you want to record what is on your screen, you just >>>>>>>>> access the control center, hit the record button and it should do >>>>>>>>> what you want.
—
Paul Goodman
Thank you.
I'm guessing the web isn't working where you live, huh?
Hey wise guy... what's the purpose of this newsgroup? Would you rather >>>>>> have this topic or the other trash which has permeated the group?
Given your previous posting history, I'm pretty sure that you were
attempting a "Ha, ha! Another thing that iOS can't do, but Android can!" >>>>>
The purpose of this group isn't to answer a question that literally 30 >>>>> seconds of Googling could have answered faster.
You have me confused with someone else. I don’t have an Android phone so I
don’t really care what it can do. I want to know the secrets of iOS.
So you posted to Usenet, hoping to get an answer...
...rather than typing a three word search:
"screen recording ios"
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=screen+recording+ios&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&bshm=nce/1
Literally the first link.
Have you noticed the activity on this group the last week or so? Maybe more >> iPhone related topics are in order. You’re trying to make this into
something ugly now. Just go away troll.
Do think posting something for which you can get an easy answer makes
the group better?
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Does iOS have a native app to perform a video capture of my iPhone
screen so I can demonstrate how to do something? I’d like to do
that and send it by either email or iMessage to my mother. Also can
I take a screenshot of a certain moment of the video capture?
In settings go to Control Center. One of the options is screen
recording, which you can add to your control center from there. Then
when you want to record what is on your screen, you just access the
control center, hit the record button and it should do what you
want.
Thank you.
If you want it to record your voice as well as the screen, hold the
record button down while in control center. It should give you an
option to turn the microphone off or on.
Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Does iOS have a native app to perform a video capture of my iPhone
screen so I can demonstrate how to do something? I’d like to do that
and send it by either email or iMessage to my mother. Also can I
take a screenshot of a certain moment of the video capture?
In settings go to Control Center. One of the options is screen
recording, which you can add to your control center from there. Then
when you want to record what is on your screen, you just access the
control center, hit the record button and it should do what you want.
Wow, nice. I had no idea about this. Thanks.
FINALLY, an honest question and a real answer. Beats the hell out of
the normal drivel here.
badgolferman wrote:
Have you noticed the activity on this group the last week or so?
Maybe more iPhone related topics are in order. You're trying to make
this into something ugly now. Just go away troll.
Better let it go man. You might get banned if you keep talking back
and disrespecting the moderator like that.
Have you noticed the activity on this group the last week or so?
Maybe more iPhone related topics are in order. You're trying to make
this into something ugly now. Just go away troll.
Agreed. While this is easily found on the web, it's a perfectly on-topic question for these news groups.
Better let it go man. You might get banned if you keep talking back
and disrespecting the moderator like that.
Ha! If this newsgroup had moderators, it wouldn't be regularly
infiltrated by Apple-hating trolls and right wing nut jobs.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-12 16:22, badgolferman wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-12 15:50, badgolferman wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:So you posted to Usenet, hoping to get an answer...
On 2023-06-12 10:22, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-11 11:38, badgolferman wrote:
Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Does iOS have a native app to perform a video capture of my >>>>>>>>>>> iPhone screen so I can demonstrate how to do something? I’d >>>>>>>>>>> like to do that and send it by either email or iMessage to my >>>>>>>>>>> mother. Also can I take a screenshot of a certain moment of the >>>>>>>>>>> video capture?
In settings go to Control Center. One of the options is screen >>>>>>>>>> recording, which you can add to your control center from there. >>>>>>>>>> Then when you want to record what is on your screen, you just >>>>>>>>>> access the control center, hit the record button and it should do >>>>>>>>>> what you want.
—
Paul Goodman
Thank you.
I'm guessing the web isn't working where you live, huh?
Hey wise guy... what's the purpose of this newsgroup? Would you rather >>>>>>> have this topic or the other trash which has permeated the group? >>>>>>>
Given your previous posting history, I'm pretty sure that you were >>>>>> attempting a "Ha, ha! Another thing that iOS can't do, but Android can!" >>>>>>
The purpose of this group isn't to answer a question that literally 30 >>>>>> seconds of Googling could have answered faster.
You have me confused with someone else. I don’t have an Android phone so I
don’t really care what it can do. I want to know the secrets of iOS. >>>>
...rather than typing a three word search:
"screen recording ios"
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=screen+recording+ios&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&bshm=nce/1
Literally the first link.
Have you noticed the activity on this group the last week or so? Maybe more >>> iPhone related topics are in order. You’re trying to make this into
something ugly now. Just go away troll.
Do think posting something for which you can get an easy answer makes
the group better?
It’s not just for me, it’s for others to learn new things too. It’s called
sharing information. I’ll bet there were a few who never knew about that capability. Not everyone is an expert like you are.
What’s the matter? Are you upset that someone else demonstrated knowledge and a capacity to help which you don’t have?
What's the matter? Are you upset that someone else demonstrated knowledge
and a capacity to help which you don't have?
I have both the knowledge and the capacity.
On 2023-06-13 02:41, badgolferman wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-12 16:22, badgolferman wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-12 15:50, badgolferman wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-12 10:22, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-11 11:38, badgolferman wrote:
Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>
wrote:
Does iOS have a native app to perform a video
capture of my iPhone screen so I can
demonstrate how to do something? I’d like to do
that and send it by either email or iMessage to
my mother. Also can I take a screenshot of a
certain moment of the video capture?
In settings go to Control Center. One of the
options is screen recording, which you can add to
your control center from there. Then when you
want to record what is on your screen, you just
access the control center, hit the record button
and it should do what you want.
—
Paul Goodman
Thank you.
I'm guessing the web isn't working where you live,
huh?
Hey wise guy... what's the purpose of this newsgroup?
Would you rather have this topic or the other trash
which has permeated the group?
Given your previous posting history, I'm pretty sure that
you were attempting a "Ha, ha! Another thing that iOS
can't do, but Android can!"
The purpose of this group isn't to answer a question that >>>>>>>literally 30 seconds of Googling could have answered
faster.
You have me confused with someone else. I don’t have an
Android phone so I don’t really care what it can do. I want
to know the secrets of iOS.
So you posted to Usenet, hoping to get an answer...
...rather than typing a three word search:
"screen recording ios"
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=screen+recording+ios&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&bshm=nce/1
Literally the first link.
Have you noticed the activity on this group the last week or
so? Maybe more iPhone related topics are in order. You’re
trying to make this into something ugly now. Just go away troll.
Do think posting something for which you can get an easy answer
makes the group better?
It’s not just for me, it’s for others to learn new things too. It’s >>called sharing information. I’ll bet there were a few who never
knew about that capability. Not everyone is an expert like you are.
But you could have discovered how it works in 30 seconds...
...and then shared what you found.
Which would have been BETTER than what you did.
What’s the matter? Are you upset that someone else demonstrated
knowledge and a capacity to help which you don’t have?
I have both the knowledge and the capacity.
I just don't use it when people are too lazy to even do a 30 second
web search.
On 13 Jun 2023 at 6:39:14 PM, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
What's the matter? Are you upset that someone else demonstrated knowledge >>> and a capacity to help which you don't have?
I have both the knowledge and the capacity.
Yet you didn't know the answer to the original question.
You never do. You only pretend to know the answer.
Always after someone else already gave it out.
Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-13 02:41, badgolferman wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-12 16:22, badgolferman wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-12 15:50, badgolferman wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-12 10:22, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-11 11:38, badgolferman wrote:
Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>
wrote:
Does iOS have a native app to perform a video
capture of my iPhone screen so I can
demonstrate how to do something? I’d like to do
that and send it by either email or iMessage to
my mother. Also can I take a screenshot of a
certain moment of the video capture?
In settings go to Control Center. One of the
options is screen recording, which you can add to
your control center from there. Then when you
want to record what is on your screen, you just
access the control center, hit the record button
and it should do what you want.
—
Paul Goodman
Thank you.
I'm guessing the web isn't working where you live,
huh?
Hey wise guy... what's the purpose of this newsgroup?
Would you rather have this topic or the other trash
which has permeated the group?
Given your previous posting history, I'm pretty sure that
you were attempting a "Ha, ha! Another thing that iOS
can't do, but Android can!"
The purpose of this group isn't to answer a question that
literally 30 seconds of Googling could have answered
faster.
You have me confused with someone else. I don’t have an
Android phone so I don’t really care what it can do. I want
to know the secrets of iOS.
So you posted to Usenet, hoping to get an answer...
...rather than typing a three word search:
"screen recording ios"
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=screen+recording+ios&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&bshm=nce/1
Literally the first link.
Have you noticed the activity on this group the last week or
so? Maybe more iPhone related topics are in order. You’re
trying to make this into something ugly now. Just go away troll.
Do think posting something for which you can get an easy answer
makes the group better?
It’s not just for me, it’s for others to learn new things too. It’s >>> called sharing information. I’ll bet there were a few who never
knew about that capability. Not everyone is an expert like you are.
But you could have discovered how it works in 30 seconds...
...and then shared what you found.
Which would have been BETTER than what you did.
What’s the matter? Are you upset that someone else demonstrated
knowledge and a capacity to help which you don’t have?
I have both the knowledge and the capacity.
I just don't use it when people are too lazy to even do a 30 second
web search.
You have created more noise on this one subject in one day than the crossposting assholes from those other groups. You're just looking for attention to flaunt your superiority complex. Getting bored since
Arlen disappeared?
On Jun 13, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
(in article<news:keri9oF1gc3U1@mid.individual.net>):
Have you noticed the activity on this group the last week or so?
Maybe more iPhone related topics are in order. You're trying to
make this into something ugly now. Just go away troll.
Agreed. While this is easily found on the web, it's a perfectly
on-topic question for these news groups.
Better let it go man. You might get banned if you keep talking back
and disrespecting the moderator like that.
Ha! If this newsgroup had moderators, it wouldn't be regularly
infiltrated by Apple-hating trolls and right wing nut jobs.
Why is it only Apple newsgroups have this problem and not others?
Ron, the weakest troll in town.
On any Android or Windows usernet newsgroup, if someone says something truthful that is bad about either Google or Microsoft, everyone agrees.
Why is it only Apple newsgroups have this problem and not others?
Any claim that other newsgroups supposedly don't have trolls and right
wing nut jobs is laughable.
On Jun 13, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
(in article<news:keru2nF3g6mU1@mid.individual.net>):
Why is it only Apple newsgroups have this problem and not others?
Any claim that other newsgroups supposedly don't have trolls and
right wing nut jobs is laughable.
Whoosh.
On any Android or Windows usernet newsgroup, if someone says something truthful that is bad about either Google or Microsoft, everyone
agrees.
Ron, the weakest troll in town.
On any Android or Windows usernet newsgroup, if someone says something truthful that is bad about either Google or Microsoft, everyone agrees.
RonTheGuy <ron@null.invalid> wrote:
On any Android or Windows usernet newsgroup, if someone says something
truthful that is bad about either Google or Microsoft, everyone agrees.
Feel free to say something truthful that is bad about Apple. I will
agree.
Not your opinion. Not rumors. Actual facts.
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is potentially
a security shortcoming since you may not remember to “forget” that >>connection before you leave its range. The next time you are in
range you may not want to actually connect to it, but the phone
will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to the
network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
RonTheGuy <ron@null.invalid> wrote:
On any Android or Windows usernet newsgroup, if someone says something
truthful that is bad about either Google or Microsoft, everyone agrees.
Feel free to say something truthful that is bad about Apple. I will
agree.
Not your opinion. Not rumors. Actual facts.
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are actually picking up that signal
at the moment. This is potentially a security shortcoming since you may not remember to “forget” that connection before you leave its range. The next time you are in range you may not want to actually connect to it, but the phone will do so automatically.
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is potentially
a security shortcoming since you may not remember to forget that >>connection before you leave its range. The next time you are in
range you may not want to actually connect to it, but the phone
will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to the >network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is potentially
a security shortcoming since you may not remember to “forget” that >>>connection before you leave its range. The next time you are in
range you may not want to actually connect to it, but the phone
will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to the >>network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is potentially
a security shortcoming since you may not remember to “forget” that
connection before you leave its range. The next time you are in
range you may not want to actually connect to it, but the phone
will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to the
network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
In article <xn0o32svrd56qtq000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
potentially >>a security shortcoming since you may not rememberiOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is
to forget that >>connection before you leave its range. The next
time you are in >>range you may not want to actually connect to
it, but the phone >>will do so automatically.
the >network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
another option is tap the i button and then forget this network, which
has been there since the early days of iphone os.
yet another option
is via icloud, since it syncs across devices.
potentially >>a security shortcoming since you may not rememberiOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is
to forget that >>connection before you leave its range. The next
time you are in >>range you may not want to actually connect to
it, but the phone >>will do so automatically.
the >network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
another option is tap the i button and then forget this network, which
has been there since the early days of iphone os.
This only works if you are connected to the network. I want the option
to look over any old connections.
yet another option
is via icloud, since it syncs across devices.
That doesn't work if you just have one phone and no other devices.
Am 13.06.23 um 20:38 schrieb RJH:
On 13 Jun 2023 at 6:39:14 PM, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
What's the matter? Are you upset that someone else demonstrated knowledge >>>> and a capacity to help which you don't have?
I have both the knowledge and the capacity.
Yet you didn't know the answer to the original question.
You never do. You only pretend to know the answer.
Always after someone else already gave it out.
Do not feed him. He is a Troll for years and sits in the first row in my Ignore-File.
On 13 Jun 2023 at 6:39:14 PM, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
What's the matter? Are you upset that someone else demonstrated knowledge >>> and a capacity to help which you don't have?
I have both the knowledge and the capacity.
Yet you didn't know the answer to the original question.
You never do. You only pretend to know the answer.
Always after someone else already gave it out.
nospam wrote:
In article <xn0o32svrd56qtq000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
potentially >>a security shortcoming since you may not rememberiOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is
to ³forget² that >>connection before you leave its range. The next
time you are in >>range you may not want to actually connect to
it, but the phone >>will do so automatically.
the >network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
another option is tap the i button and then forget this network, which
has been there since the early days of iphone os.
This only works if you are connected to the network. I want the option
to look over any old connections.
In article <xn0o32xnrdbo3dv003@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
next >>time you are in >>range you may not want to actuallypotentially >>a security shortcoming since you may not rememberiOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is
to forget that >>connection before you leave its range. The
connect to >>it, but the phone >>will do so automatically.
iPhone, >> >tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner,
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my
and there's a >> >list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap
the "i" next to >>the >network, tap forget this network, and it's
gone. >>
corrected. >Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand
another option is tap the i button and then forget this network,which >has been there since the early days of iphone os.
This only works if you are connected to the network. I want the
option to look over any old connections.
true. as i said, it's another option.
the edit list method is relatively new, so not everyone will have that
option available, and even when it is, the i button might be a better
choice.
there are advantages and disadvantages to each method.
yet another option
is via icloud, since it syncs across devices.
That doesn't work if you just have one phone and no other devices.
very few people fall into that category.
you have said you have other devices, so that option is available to
you.
I have a work phone but it's the only device under that Apple account.
On 2023-06-14 09:46, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 13.06.23 um 20:38 schrieb RJH:
On 13 Jun 2023 at 6:39:14 PM, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
What's the matter? Are you upset that someone else
demonstrated knowledge and a capacity to help which you don't
have?
I have both the knowledge and the capacity.
Yet you didn't know the answer to the original question.
You never do. You only pretend to know the answer.
Always after someone else already gave it out.
Do not feed him. He is a Troll for years and sits in the first row
in my Ignore-File.
I did know the answer to the original question. I just don't answer
questions that could have been answered faster by the OP by doing a
web search.
I can show that I knew the answer... ...because as it happened I had
a need to use the answer a month ago.
Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-14 09:46, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 13.06.23 um 20:38 schrieb RJH:
On 13 Jun 2023 at 6:39:14 PM, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
What's the matter? Are you upset that someone else
demonstrated knowledge and a capacity to help which you don't
have?
I have both the knowledge and the capacity.
Yet you didn't know the answer to the original question.
You never do. You only pretend to know the answer.
Always after someone else already gave it out.
Do not feed him. He is a Troll for years and sits in the first row
in my Ignore-File.
I did know the answer to the original question. I just don't answer
questions that could have been answered faster by the OP by doing a
web search.
I can show that I knew the answer... ...because as it happened I had
a need to use the answer a month ago.
You seem to be the only one who didn't like the topic. It just shows
you are trying to be a dick by continuing to insist you're right.
The first rule of getting out of a hole is to stop digging.
Without maintaining that (required) Apple account, (almost) nothing works. It's (mainly) how Apple controls those walled garden restrictions over you.
On 14.06.23 17:51, badgolferman wrote:
I have a work phone but it's the only device under that Apple account.
In that statement lies the fundamental flaw in Apple's product strategy. Without maintaining that (required) Apple account, (almost) nothing works. It's (mainly) how Apple controls those walled garden restrictions over you.
On 14.06.23 17:51, badgolferman wrote:
I have a work phone but it's the only device under that Apple account.
In that statement lies the fundamental flaw in Apple's product strategy. Without maintaining that (required) Apple account, (almost) nothing works. It's (mainly) how Apple controls those walled garden restrictions over you.
On 2023-06-14 10:52, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-14 09:46, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 13.06.23 um 20:38 schrieb RJH:
On 13 Jun 2023 at 6:39:14 PM, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
What's the matter? Are you upset that someone else
demonstrated knowledge and a capacity to help which you
don't
have?
I have both the knowledge and the capacity.
Yet you didn't know the answer to the original question.
You never do. You only pretend to know the answer.
Always after someone else already gave it out.
Do not feed him. He is a Troll for years and sits in the
first row
in my Ignore-File.
I did know the answer to the original question. I just don't
answer
questions that could have been answered faster by the OP by
doing a
web search.
I can show that I knew the answer... ...because as it
happened I had
a need to use the answer a month ago.
You seem to be the only one who didn't like the topic. It
just shows
you are trying to be a dick by continuing to insist you're
right.
The first rule of getting out of a hole is to stop digging.
You seem to think bothering others to answer questions...
...THAT YOU COULD ANSWER FASTER BY SEARCHING THE WEB...
...is alright.
On 14.06.23 17:51, badgolferman wrote:
I have a work phone but it's the only device under that Apple account.
In that statement lies the fundamental flaw in Apple's product strategy. Without maintaining that (required) Apple account, (almost) nothing works. It's (mainly) how Apple controls those walled garden restrictions over you.
Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-14 10:52, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-14 09:46, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 13.06.23 um 20:38 schrieb RJH:
On 13 Jun 2023 at 6:39:14 PM, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
What's the matter? Are you upset that someone else
demonstrated knowledge and a capacity to help which you don't
have?
I have both the knowledge and the capacity.
Yet you didn't know the answer to the original question.
You never do. You only pretend to know the answer.
Always after someone else already gave it out.
Do not feed him. He is a Troll for years and sits in the first row
in my Ignore-File.
I did know the answer to the original question. I just don't answer
questions that could have been answered faster by the OP by doing a
web search.
I can show that I knew the answer... ...because as it happened I had
a need to use the answer a month ago.
You seem to be the only one who didn't like the topic. It just shows
you are trying to be a dick by continuing to insist you're right.
The first rule of getting out of a hole is to stop digging.
You seem to think bothering others to answer questions...
...THAT YOU COULD ANSWER FASTER BY SEARCHING THE WEB...
...is alright.
Mr. GOOGLE strikes again.
In article <u6cuva$19aa8$1@solani.org>, Stefan Claas
<not-for-mail@protonmail.invalid> wrote:
Without maintaining that (required) Apple account, (almost) nothing
works. It's (mainly) how Apple controls those walled garden
restrictions over you.
both very much false and demonstrates a very deep ignorance of apple products, assuming it wasn't said just to troll.
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is potentially
a security shortcoming since you may not remember to “forget” that
connection before you leave its range. The next time you are in
range you may not want to actually connect to it, but the phone
will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to the
network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
On 2023-06-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is potentially
a security shortcoming since you may not remember to ???forget??? that >>>connection before you leave its range. The next time you are in
range you may not want to actually connect to it, but the phone
will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to the >>network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
I didn't know this was thing until I read your post and checked for
myself.
So, thanks. :)
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is potentially
a security shortcoming since you may not remember to “forget” that >>>> connection before you leave its range. The next time you are in
range you may not want to actually connect to it, but the phone
will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to the
network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
I never even thought about this. So all connections can be deleted.
Its nice to actually learn something here.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is
potentially a security shortcoming since you may not remember
to “forget” that connection before you leave its range. The
next time you are in range you may not want to actually
connect to it, but the phone will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to
the network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
I never even thought about this. So all connections can be deleted.
Its nice to actually learn something here.
Bob Campbell wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is
potentially a security shortcoming since you may not remember
to “forget” that connection before you leave its range. The
next time you are in range you may not want to actually
connect to it, but the phone will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to
the network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
I never even thought about this. So all connections can be deleted.
Its nice to actually learn something here.
According to Alan you should have done an internet search if you wanted
to learn any of this.
fos@sdf.org wrote:
On 2023-06-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is potentially
a security shortcoming since you may not remember to ???forget??? that >>>>> connection before you leave its range. The next time you are in
range you may not want to actually connect to it, but the phone
will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to the
network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
I didn't know this was thing until I read your post and checked for
myself.
So, thanks. :)
Woah. Same here. When did Apple finally add this? I was looking for
this. I remember posting about it years ago and I was told the only way
to remove those old ones was to reset and restore from back up. :(
Also, what's managed networks? Those don't have delete options. :/
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
On 2023-06-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is potentially >>>>>> a security shortcoming since you may not remember to ???forget??? that >>>>>> connection before you leave its range. The next time you are in
range you may not want to actually connect to it, but the phone
will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to the
network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
I didn't know this was thing until I read your post and checked for
myself.
So, thanks. :)
Woah. Same here. When did Apple finally add this? I was looking for
this. I remember posting about it years ago and I was told the only way
to remove those old ones was to reset and restore from back up. :(
Also, what's managed networks? Those don't have delete options. :/
Managed networks are probably Wi-Fi hotspots provided by wireless carriers such as AT&T or Verizon.
—
Paul Goodman
badgolferman wrote:
Bob Campbell wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is
potentially a security shortcoming since you may not remember
to “forget†that connection before you leave its range. The
next time you are in range you may not want to actually
connect to it, but the phone will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to
the network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
I never even thought about this. So all connections can be deleted.
Its nice to actually learn something here.
According to Alan you should have done an internet search if you wanted
to learn any of this.
Folks need to remember to never ask him anything. Mr. Google gets real
worked up if you ask a question.
Bob Campbell wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is
potentially a security shortcoming since you may not remember
to “forget” that connection before you leave its range. The
next time you are in range you may not want to actually
connect to it, but the phone will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to
the network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
I never even thought about this. So all connections can be deleted.
Its nice to actually learn something here.
According to Alan you should have done an internet search if you wanted
to learn any of this.
On 2023-06-14 18:06, badgolferman wrote:
Bob Campbell wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is
potentially a security shortcoming since you may not
remember
to “forget” that connection before you leave its
range. The
next time you are in range you may not want to actually
connect to it, but the phone will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my
iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and
there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i"
next to
the network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand
corrected.
I never even thought about this. So all connections can be
deleted.
Its nice to actually learn something here.
According to Alan you should have done an internet search if
you wanted
to learn any of this.
Yes... ...if he actually needed to learn it, it would have been
the fastest way.
Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-14 17:54, Paul Goodman wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
On 2023-06-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is potentially >>>>>>>> a security shortcoming since you may not remember to
???forget??? that
connection before you leave its range. The next time you are in >>>>>>>> range you may not want to actually connect to it, but the phone >>>>>>>> will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone, >>>>>>> tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a >>>>>>> list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to the >>>>>>> network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
I didn't know this was thing until I read your post and checked for
myself.
So, thanks. :)
Woah. Same here. When did Apple finally add this? I was looking for
this. I remember posting about it years ago and I was told the only way >>>> to remove those old ones was to reset and restore from back up. :(
Also, what's managed networks? Those don't have delete options. :/
Managed networks are probably Wi-Fi hotspots provided by wireless
carriers
such as AT&T or Verizon.
—
Paul Goodman
Correct... ...something he could have learned by Googling 'ios
"managed networks"'
:-)
I too believe he should be punished for asking a question which he could
have googled for himself without bothering all us experts here.
On 2023-06-14 17:54, Paul Goodman wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
On 2023-06-14, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you
are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is
potentially
a security shortcoming since you may not remember to
???forget??? that
connection before you leave its range. The next time
you are in
range you may not want to actually connect to it, but
the phone
will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my
iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and
there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i"
next to the
network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand
corrected.
I didn't know this was thing until I read your post and
checked for
myself.
So, thanks. :)
Woah. Same here. When did Apple finally add this? I was
looking for
this. I remember posting about it years ago and I was told
the only way
to remove those old ones was to reset and restore from back
up. :(
Also, what's managed networks? Those don't have delete
options. :/
Managed networks are probably Wi-Fi hotspots provided by
wireless carriers
such as AT&T or Verizon.
—
Paul Goodman
Correct... ...something he could have learned by Googling 'ios
"managed networks"'
:-)
Bob Campbell wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is potentially
a security shortcoming since you may not remember to âforgetâ that
connection before you leave its range. The next time you are in
range you may not want to actually connect to it, but the phone
will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to the
network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
I never even thought about this. So all connections can be deleted.
Its nice to actually learn something here.
And it is Goddamn rare.
fos@sdf.org wrote:
On 2023-06-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is
potentially a security shortcoming since you may not remember to
???forget??? that connection before you leave its range. The next
time you are in range you may not want to actually connect to it,
but the phone will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to the
network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
I didn't know this was thing until I read your post and checked for
myself.
So, thanks. :)
Woah. Same here. When did Apple finally add this? I was looking for
this. I remember posting about it years ago and I was told the only
way to remove those old ones was to reset and restore from back up. :(
Bob Campbell wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is
potentially a security shortcoming since you may not remember
to “forget” that connection before you leave its range. The
next time you are in range you may not want to actually
connect to it, but the phone will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to
the network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
I never even thought about this. So all connections can be deleted.
Its nice to actually learn something here.
According to Alan you should have done an internet search if you wanted
to learn any of this.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Bob Campbell wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is
potentially a security shortcoming since you may not remember
to “forget” that connection before you leave its range. The
next time you are in range you may not want to actually
connect to it, but the phone will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to
the network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
I never even thought about this. So all connections can be deleted.
Its nice to actually learn something here.
According to Alan you should have done an internet search if you wanted
to learn any of this.
Indeed.
I don’t understand his reaction to all of this. If YOU had done a google search, then I (and possibly many others) would not have learned this bit
of info.
I realize that it is hard to believe now, but Usenet was once ALL ABOUT sharing info. Not just endless flame wars and useless arguments with children over trivia.
On 2023-06-14 19:55, Bob Campbell wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Bob Campbell wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is
potentially a security shortcoming since you may not remember
to “forget” that connection before you leave its range. The >>>>>>> next time you are in range you may not want to actually
connect to it, but the phone will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to
the network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
I never even thought about this. So all connections can be deleted.
Its nice to actually learn something here.
According to Alan you should have done an internet search if you wanted
to learn any of this.
Indeed.
I don’t understand his reaction to all of this. If YOU had done a google >> search, then I (and possibly many others) would not have learned this bit
of info.
What? He couldn't have shared what he found here?
I realize that it is hard to believe now, but Usenet was once ALL ABOUT
sharing info. Not just endless flame wars and useless arguments with
children over trivia.
He didn't "share" anything.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-14 19:55, Bob Campbell wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Bob Campbell wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is
potentially a security shortcoming since you may not remember >>>>>>>> to “forget” that connection before you leave its range. The >>>>>>>> next time you are in range you may not want to actually
connect to it, but the phone will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone, >>>>>>> tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a >>>>>>> list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to
the network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
I never even thought about this. So all connections can be deleted. >>>>>
Its nice to actually learn something here.
According to Alan you should have done an internet search if you wanted >>>> to learn any of this.
Indeed.
I don’t understand his reaction to all of this. If YOU had done a google >>> search, then I (and possibly many others) would not have learned this bit >>> of info.
What? He couldn't have shared what he found here?
I realize that it is hard to believe now, but Usenet was once ALL ABOUT
sharing info. Not just endless flame wars and useless arguments with
children over trivia.
He didn't "share" anything.
The point is, he asked the question here. So the answer is available for all of us to see. Unlike doing an internet search, where only you see the answer.
THAT’S where the sharing comes in. I have asked questions on usenet countless times over the decades. No one ever complained about me asking
a question.
If you don’t understand this, then I can’t help you.
Lighten Up, Francis.
On 2023-06-14, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
On 2023-06-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is
potentially a security shortcoming since you may not remember to
???forget??? that connection before you leave its range. The next
time you are in range you may not want to actually connect to it,
but the phone will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to the
network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
I didn't know this was thing until I read your post and checked for
myself.
So, thanks. :)
Woah. Same here. When did Apple finally add this? I was looking for
this. I remember posting about it years ago and I was told the only
way to remove those old ones was to reset and restore from back up. :(
Someone probably misinformed you, and it has been there all along. It is apparent that it's easy to miss.
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
On 2023-06-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public WiFi
connections such as hotels or doctor offices unless you are
actually picking up that signal at the moment. This is potentially >>>>> a security shortcoming since you may not remember to ???forget??? that >>>>> connection before you leave its range. The next time you are in
range you may not want to actually connect to it, but the phone
will do so automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on my iPhone,
tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right corner, and there's a
list of all the wifi connections I've used. Tap the "i" next to the
network, tap forget this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand corrected.
I didn't know this was thing until I read your post and checked for
myself.
So, thanks. :)
Woah. Same here. When did Apple finally add this? I was looking for
this. I remember posting about it years ago and I was told the only way
to remove those old ones was to reset and restore from back up. :(
Also, what's managed networks? Those don't have delete options. :/
Managed networks are probably Wi-Fi hotspots provided by wireless carriers such as AT&T or Verizon.
On 2023-06-14 20:10, Bob Campbell wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-14 19:55, Bob Campbell wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Bob Campbell wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
iOS does not provide the ability to delete old public
WiFi connections such as hotels or doctor offices
unless you are actually picking up that signal at
the moment. This is potentially a security
shortcoming since you may not remember to “forget”
that connection before you leave its range. The next
time you are in range you may not want to actually
connect to it, but the phone will do so
automatically.
Have you actually used an iPhone?
iOS 16.5 on my SE 2nd Gen. I just went to settings on
my iPhone, tapped wifi, tapped edit in the upper right
corner, and there's a list of all the wifi connections
I've used. Tap the "i" next to the network, tap forget
this network, and it's gone.
Thank you, I did not know about that ability. I stand
corrected.
I never even thought about this. So all connections can
be deleted.
Its nice to actually learn something here.
According to Alan you should have done an internet search if
you wanted to learn any of this.
Indeed.
I don’t understand his reaction to all of this. If YOU had
done a google search, then I (and possibly many others) would
not have learned this bit of info.
What? He couldn't have shared what he found here?
I realize that it is hard to believe now, but Usenet was once
ALL ABOUT sharing info. Not just endless flame wars and
useless arguments with children over trivia.
He didn't "share" anything.
The point is, he asked the question here. So the answer is
available for all of us to see. Unlike doing an internet search,
where only you see the answer.
As I said:
He couldn't have found the answer...
...and then shared it?
THAT’S where the sharing comes in. I have asked questions on
usenet countless times over the decades. No one ever complained
about me asking a question.
If you don’t understand this, then I can’t help you.
Lighten Up, Francis.
I've asked lots of questions too...
...but I've done my own homework FIRST.
Expecting others to do the work for you is rude.
I realize that it is hard to believe now, but Usenet was once ALL ABOUT sharing info. Not just endless flame wars and useless arguments with children over trivia.
I've asked lots of questions too...
...but I've done my own homework FIRST.
Expecting others to do the work for you is rude.
I've asked lots of questions too...
...but I've done my own homework FIRST.
Expecting others to do the work for you is rude.
You're hopeless...
On Jun 14, 2023, Bob Campbell wrote
(in article<news:RKGcndNj9Poq4Bf5nZ2dnZfqn_QAAAAA@supernews.com>):
I realize that it is hard to believe now, but Usenet was once ALL ABOUT
sharing info. Not just endless flame wars and useless arguments with
children over trivia.
Somebody forgot to tell Alan, Jolly & nospam that usenet is not only about protecting Apple's honor by their endless flame wars and useless arguments.
Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
Also, what's managed networks? Those don't have delete options. :/
Managed networks are probably Wi-Fi hotspots provided by wireless carriers >> such as AT&T or Verizon.
Yeah, it was Verizon. So if I change carrier, I get the carrier's and
VZW's goes away? I also have my cable ISP too which I installed its wifi profile oto use outside my home.
RonTheGuy <ron@null.invalid> wrote:
On Jun 14, 2023, Bob Campbell wrote
(in article<news:RKGcndNj9Poq4Bf5nZ2dnZfqn_QAAAAA@supernews.com>):
I realize that it is hard to believe now, but Usenet was once ALL
ABOUT sharing info. Not just endless flame wars and useless
arguments with children over trivia.
Somebody forgot to tell Alan, Jolly & nospam that usenet is not only
about protecting Apple's honor by their endless flame wars and
useless arguments.
Pointing out the absurd claims and lies from others is not “protecting Apple’s honor”. It is merely pointing out absurd claims and lies.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-14, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
fos@sdf.org wrote:
On 2023-06-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't know this was thing until I read your post and checked
for myself.
So, thanks. :)
Woah. Same here. When did Apple finally add this? I was looking for
this. I remember posting about it years ago and I was told the only
way to remove those old ones was to reset and restore from back up.
:(
Someone probably misinformed you, and it has been there all along. It
is apparent that it's easy to miss.
All along? How come my old iPhone 6+'s iOS v12.5.7 doesn't have that
"edit" option?
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
I've asked lots of questions too...
...but I've done my own homework FIRST.
Expecting others to do the work for you is rude.
Answering a question here is not “work”. Asking a question here is
not “rude”.
Rude is belittling people for daring to ask a question. Do you think
this is YOUR group or something? Are we all supposed to follow your >“rules”?
Questions and answers are how everyone learns. Since you clearly
like to constantly argue, feel free to ignore the questions. You
are adding nothing to this topic.
Rude is belittling people for daring to ask a question. Do you think
this is YOUR group or something? Are we all supposed to follow your >>rules?
Considering the state of our union these days, such expectations are
the norm. Everyone must act as the offended wants or they will be
shouted down and canceled.
On any Android or Windows usernet newsgroup, if someone says something truthful that is bad about either Google or Microsoft, everyone agrees.
Nobody acts like you do in always lying about what Apple did or didn't do.
On an Apple newsgroup with the likes of you on it, each discussion goes on forever because you can't countenance anything bad ever said about Apple.
Bob Campbell wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
I've asked lots of questions too...
...but I've done my own homework FIRST.
Expecting others to do the work for you is rude.
Answering a question here is not “work”. Asking a question here is
not “rude”.
After he's done with me he will probably move on to Paul Goodman for
daring to answer the question. His answer enlightened several people
in this group who didn't even know this capability existed.
Rude is belittling people for daring to ask a question. Do you think
this is YOUR group or something? Are we all supposed to follow your
“rules”?
Considering the state of our union these days, such expectations are
the norm. Everyone must act as the offended wants or they will be
shouted down and canceled.
On Jun 15, 2023, badgolferman wrote
(in article<news:xn0o34cwt1ff16d001@reader443.eternal-september.org>):
Rude is belittling people for daring to ask a question. Do you think
this is YOUR group or something? Are we all supposed to follow your
�rules�?
Considering the state of our union these days, such expectations are
the norm. Everyone must act as the offended wants or they will be
shouted down and canceled.
I also learned from your question & Goodman's answer & from Ant, but Jolly Alan & nospam (JAN) can't allow any question to be asked that has any off chance of showing cracks in Apple's honor by showing any sign of weakness.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
I've asked lots of questions too...
...but I've done my own homework FIRST.
Expecting others to do the work for you is rude.
Answering a question here is not “work”. Asking a question here is not “rude”.
Rude is belittling people for daring to ask a question. Do you think this
is YOUR group or something? Are we all supposed to follow your “rules”?
Questions and answers are how everyone learns. Since you clearly like to constantly argue, feel free to ignore the questions. You are adding
nothing to this topic.
To be fair, it's a very small minority of people that behave like that
and they are easy to filter out.
And yet, none of the devices prevent roaming outide Apple's garden at
all
On Jun 16, 2023, sms wrote
(in article<news:u6fs32$h1i3$1@dont-email.me>):
To be fair, it's a very small minority of people that behave like that
and they are easy to filter out.
It's really only three (or four if you count Campbell in that list).
Maybe five if you add Alan Browne who can't countenance the walled garden.
Ron, the most opinionated guy in town.
If they left, this group would begin to approach the normalcy of the
Android and Windows newsgroups where people simply say the truth about
Google & Microsoft and where nobody acts like those above who can't
(and will never) accept anyone telling any truth about Apple products
that doesn't always put Apple in the best light they imagine it to be.
It's really only three (or four if you count Campbell in that list).
Maybe five if you add Alan Browne who can't countenance the walled garden.
What walled garden is that?
On Jun 15, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:5ZNiM.294$WpOe.46@fx18.iad>):
It's really only three (or four if you count Campbell in that list).
Maybe five if you add Alan Browne who can't countenance the walled
garden.
What walled garden is that?
See what I mean?
On Jun 16, 2023, sms wrote
(in article<news:u6fs32$h1i3$1@dont-email.me>):
To be fair, it's a very small minority of people that behave like
that and they are easy to filter out.
It's really only three (or four if you count Campbell in that list).
Maybe five if you add Alan Browne who can't countenance the walled
garden.
Ron, the weakest troll in town.
RonTheGuy <ron@null.invalid> wrote:
If they left, this group would begin to approach the normalcy of the
Android and Windows newsgroups where people simply say the truth
about Google & Microsoft and where nobody acts like those above who
can't (and will never) accept anyone telling any truth about Apple
products that doesn't always put Apple in the best light they imagine
it to be.
So, feel free to tell the truth about Apple products that doesn’t
always put Apple in the best light.
AGAIN, it has to be factual. Not rumors. Not your opinion.
I’ll start. It took Apple 7 years to FINALLY upgrade the camera
hardware in iPhones. From the 6s in 2015, they have been using the
same 12 megapixel cameras. Yes, there were many software updates
along the way that helped, but no amount of software trickery can make
up for more pixels.
The iPhone 14 Pro - released in 2022 - finally has a camera upgrade.
A single 48 megapixel camera. The other 2 cameras - the wide angle
and the telephoto - are still stuck at 12 MP. Also, the non-pro
iPhone 14 models are still stuck with 12MP cameras.
I really wish Apple would get serious about cameras.
On Jun 15, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:5ZNiM.294$WpOe.46@fx18.iad>):
It's really only three (or four if you count Campbell in that list).What walled garden is that?
Maybe five if you add Alan Browne who can't countenance the walled garden. >>
See what I mean?
On Jun 15, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:5ZNiM.294$WpOe.46@fx18.iad>):
It's really only three (or four if you count Campbell in that list).What walled garden is that?
Maybe five if you add Alan Browne who can't countenance the walled garden. >>
See what I mean?
Ron, the silliest guy in town.
On Jun 16, 2023, sms wrote
(in article<news:u6fs32$h1i3$1@dont-email.me>):
To be fair, it's a very small minority of people that behave like that
and they are easy to filter out.
It's really only three (or four if you count Campbell in that list).
Maybe five if you add Alan Browne who can't countenance the walled garden.
If they left, this group would begin to approach the normalcy of the
Android and Windows newsgroups where people simply say the truth about
Google & Microsoft and where nobody acts like those above who can't
(and will never) accept anyone telling any truth about Apple products
that doesn't always put Apple in the best light they imagine it to be.
RonTheGuy <ron@null.invalid> wrote:
On Jun 15, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:5ZNiM.294$WpOe.46@fx18.iad>):
It's really only three (or four if you count Campbell in that list).What walled garden is that?
Maybe five if you add Alan Browne who can't countenance the walled garden. >>>
See what I mean?
Yes, I see what you mean. Your opinion is that there is some evil “walled garden” that Apple has created.
The fact is, there is no such thing. The Apple Ecosystem does exist, and
yes things made by Apple work better together. That is a huge advantage that Apple has. No other single company has such a wide range of products and services for consumers.
But that does not stop me from not using Siri - its the first thing I
disable on any new iDevice I get.
Nor do I use Apple Music. I prefer
Spotify. Nor do I use Apple Headphones. I like Sony headphones. I use iCloud and I also use MS OneNote. BTW iCloud works fine on my Windows
PCs, and all of my photos taken on any iDevice get automatically downloaded to my Windows PCs for local backup and archive. I use Google Maps when I
am driving in unfamiliar territory.
Etc. Etc.
How am I able to do all of this if I am surrounded by your imaginary “walls”?
On 2023-06-15 22:47, RonTheGuy wrote:
On Jun 15, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:5ZNiM.294$WpOe.46@fx18.iad>):
It's really only three (or four if you count Campbell in that list).What walled garden is that?
Maybe five if you add Alan Browne who can't countenance the walled garden. >>>
See what I mean?
So your thesis is about honest exchange of information.
I pointed out why it is not a walled garden:
a) because it is a well integrate eco sphere (or eco system - your
choice); and
b) that it permits me to do whatever I want outside of Apple's own facilities, apps and servers.
Therefore: not a walled garden.
But all you can do is triple down on your nonsense about "walled garden!
Walled garden!" (Sort of like Trump: repeat the lie often enough ...).
Ron, the silliest guy in town.
Straight up correct!
On 6/15/2023 5:08 PM, RonTheGuy wrote:
On Jun 16, 2023, sms wrote
(in article<news:u6fs32$h1i3$1@dont-email.me>):
To be fair, it's a very small minority of people that behave like that
and they are easy to filter out.
It's really only three (or four if you count Campbell in that list).
Maybe five if you add Alan Browne who can't countenance the walled
garden.
Correct. And it's easy to filter the five of them out.
On 6/15/2023 5:08 PM, RonTheGuy wrote:
On Jun 16, 2023, sms wrote
(in article<news:u6fs32$h1i3$1@dont-email.me>):
To be fair, it's a very small minority of people that behave like
that and they are easy to filter out.
It's really only three (or four if you count Campbell in that list).
Maybe five if you add Alan Browne who can't countenance the walled
garden.
Correct. And it's easy to filter the five of them out.
On 2023-06-16 10:52, Bob Campbell wrote:
RonTheGuy <ron@null.invalid> wrote:
On Jun 15, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:5ZNiM.294$WpOe.46@fx18.iad>):
It's really only three (or four if you count Campbell in that
list). Maybe five if you add Alan Browne who can't countenance
the walled garden.
What walled garden is that?
See what I mean?
Yes, I see what you mean. Your opinion is that there is some evil
“walled garden” that Apple has created.
The fact is, there is no such thing. The Apple Ecosystem does exist,
and yes things made by Apple work better together. That is a huge
advantage that Apple has. No other single company has such a wide
range of products and services for consumers.
Correct.
It's not like Apple built a place and then put up walls to keep people
in.
But that does not stop me from not using Siri - its the first thing I
disable on any new iDevice I get.
Good good, why?
Siri is incredibly useful.
It seems to me the concept of the “walled garden” has more to do with
the restrictions associated with the App Store and not being able to
install any program you desire. Apple enthusiasts argue such
restrictions are a good thing and protect the average person from
malware
while others argue such restrictions are preventing users from using
the devices they own in any way they see fit.
And no, jail breaking does not count as using it any way you want.
Personally I am more upset with the removal of Right of Repair for
devices or automobiles.
Another insidious tactic by manufacturers is the forced subscription
model where you can’t buy a device or software package, but must rent
it every year. Who owns the device I paid for, me or Apple/Microsoft?
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-15 22:47, RonTheGuy wrote:
On Jun 15, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:5ZNiM.294$WpOe.46@fx18.iad>):
It's really only three (or four if you count Campbell in that list). >>>>> Maybe five if you add Alan Browne who can't countenance the walled garden.
What walled garden is that?
See what I mean?
So your thesis is about honest exchange of information.
I pointed out why it is not a walled garden:
a) because it is a well integrate eco sphere (or eco system - your
choice); and
b) that it permits me to do whatever I want outside of Apple's own
facilities, apps and servers.
Therefore: not a walled garden.
But all you can do is triple down on your nonsense about "walled garden!
Walled garden!" (Sort of like Trump: repeat the lie often enough ...).
Ron, the silliest guy in town.
Straight up correct!
It seems to me the concept of the “walled garden” has more to do with the restrictions associated with the App Store and not being able to install
any program you desire. Apple enthusiasts argue such restrictions are a
good thing and protect the average person from malware, while others argue such restrictions are preventing users from using the devices they own in
any way they see fit. And no, jail breaking does not count as using it any way you want.
Personally I am more upset with the removal of Right of Repair for devices
or automobiles. Another insidious tactic by manufacturers is the forced subscription model where you can’t buy a device or software package, but must rent it every year. Who owns the device I paid for, me or Apple/Microsoft?
On 2023-06-16 13:20, Alan Browne wrote:
I use Siri a little - does okay - but can't handle French names when
you're speaking English.
---- "Navigate to 232 Boulevard St-Jean in Ste-Agathe."
For the record, I just said:
"directions to 232 boulevard saint jean (pronounced "gene") in saint
agathe, quebec"...
...and Siri appears to have found it.
At least, it found "232 Ch St-Jean" in Ste-Agathe-des-Monts" right next
to a "Lac à la Truite".
Does that make sense.
So since Siri/voice recognition is expecting to convert English speech
into text...
...pronounce the words of the address as if they were English.
:-)
See: THIS is the sort of issue that is better handled with a Usenet post.
You couldn't easily go on the web and find THIS answer.
:-)
But that does not stop me from not using Siri - its the first thing I
disable on any new iDevice I get.
Good good, why?
Siri is incredibly useful.
Yes...when she isn't frustrating the shit out of you by mishearing what
you said or doing the opposite of what you want. ? Then again, it's not
like that never happens with other digital assistants, and the others
don't protect your privacy nearly as well, if at all.
Note: The Apple-hating trolls here (especially Lying Ronny) claim we
never discuss Apple's failures. Yet Siri is certainly nowhere near as
good as it could (or should IMO) be. And here I am mentioning it.
Imagine that.
On 2023-06-16, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-16 10:52, Bob Campbell wrote:
RonTheGuy <ron@null.invalid> wrote:
On Jun 15, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:5ZNiM.294$WpOe.46@fx18.iad>):
It's really only three (or four if you count Campbell in that
list). Maybe five if you add Alan Browne who can't countenance
the walled garden.
What walled garden is that?
See what I mean?
Yes, I see what you mean. Your opinion is that there is some evil
“walled garden” that Apple has created.
The fact is, there is no such thing. The Apple Ecosystem does exist,
and yes things made by Apple work better together. That is a huge
advantage that Apple has. No other single company has such a wide
range of products and services for consumers.
Correct.
It's not like Apple built a place and then put up walls to keep people
in.
But that does not stop me from not using Siri - its the first thing I
disable on any new iDevice I get.
Good good, why?
Siri is incredibly useful.
Yes...when she isn't frustrating the shit out of you by mishearing what
you said or doing the opposite of what you want. 🤣 Then again, it's not like that never happens with other digital assistants, and the others
don't protect your privacy nearly as well, if at all.
Note: The Apple-hating trolls here (especially Lying Ronny) claim we
never discuss Apple's failures. Yet Siri is certainly nowhere near as
good as it could (or should IMO) be. And here I am mentioning it.
Imagine that.
On 2023-06-16 15:47, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-16, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-16 10:52, Bob Campbell wrote:
RonTheGuy <ron@null.invalid> wrote:
On Jun 15, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:5ZNiM.294$WpOe.46@fx18.iad>):
It's really only three (or four if you count Campbell in that
list). Maybe five if you add Alan Browne who can't countenance >>>>>>> the walled garden.
What walled garden is that?
See what I mean?
Yes, I see what you mean. Your opinion is that there is some evil
“walled garden” that Apple has created.
The fact is, there is no such thing. The Apple Ecosystem does exist, >>>> and yes things made by Apple work better together. That is a huge
advantage that Apple has. No other single company has such a wide
range of products and services for consumers.
Correct.
It's not like Apple built a place and then put up walls to keep people
in.
But that does not stop me from not using Siri - its the first thing I
disable on any new iDevice I get.
Good good, why?
Siri is incredibly useful.
Yes...when she isn't frustrating the shit out of you by mishearing what
you said or doing the opposite of what you want. 🤣 Then again, it's not >> like that never happens with other digital assistants, and the others
don't protect your privacy nearly as well, if at all.
Note: The Apple-hating trolls here (especially Lying Ronny) claim we
never discuss Apple's failures. Yet Siri is certainly nowhere near as
good as it could (or should IMO) be. And here I am mentioning it.
Imagine that.
You fiend!
Seem to recall MKBHD indicating Google's was best overall from his
testing of various voice lookups.
I use Siri a little - does okay - but can't handle French names when
you're speaking English.
---- "Navigate to 232 Boulevard St-Jean in Ste-Agathe."
Siri does great with things like: "Set an appointment with the dentist
for 25 June at 17:00 in my calendar" (eg: from my Watch).
And of course : it's in my calendar on my iPhone, both Macs and iPad
within a few seconds. Eco-sphere!
or : Set an alarm for 7-30 to leave for the golf course. (And will
label the alarm "leave for the golf course".
It seems to me the concept of the walled garden has more to do with the restrictions associated with the App Store and not being able to install
any program you desire.
Apple enthusiasts argue such restrictions are a
good thing and protect the average person from malware,
while others argue
such restrictions are preventing users from using the devices they own in
any way they see fit.
And no, jail breaking does not count as using it any
way you want.
Personally I am more upset with the removal of Right of Repair for devices
or automobiles.
Another insidious tactic by manufacturers is the forced
subscription model where you cant buy a device or software package, but
must rent it every year.
Who owns the device I paid for, me or
Apple/Microsoft?
On 2023-06-16 16:34, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-16 13:20, Alan Browne wrote:
I use Siri a little - does okay - but can't handle French names when
you're speaking English.
---- "Navigate to 232 Boulevard St-Jean in Ste-Agathe."
For the record, I just said:
"directions to 232 boulevard saint jean (pronounced "gene") in saint
agathe, quebec"...
...and Siri appears to have found it.
At least, it found "232 Ch St-Jean" in Ste-Agathe-des-Monts" right
next to a "Lac à la Truite".
Does that make sense.
Well, I gave an off the cuff example (untested). Believe me that Siri generally does badly with French names.
Like a broken clock, Siri will get some - but not all....
So since Siri/voice recognition is expecting to convert English speech
into text...
...pronounce the words of the address as if they were English.
Not as easy to do as you may assume. Esp. if you're used to always
using the French pronunciation (as one should...)
:-)
See: THIS is the sort of issue that is better handled with a Usenet post.
You couldn't easily go on the web and find THIS answer.
:-)
Suuure.....
part of that is because siri queries (and many other things) are
anonymous.
Yes, I see what you mean. Your opinion is that there is some evil "walled garden" that Apple has created.
The fact is, there is no such thing.
It seems to me the concept of the "walled garden" has more to do with the restrictions associated with the App Store and not being able to install
any program you desire.
Apple enthusiasts argue such restrictions are a
good thing and protect the average person from malware, while others argue such restrictions are preventing users from using the devices they own in
any way they see fit.
And no, jail breaking does not count as using it any way you want.
Personally I am more upset with the removal of Right of Repair for devices
or automobiles.
Another insidious tactic by manufacturers is the forced
subscription model where you can't buy a device or software package, but
must rent it every year.
Who owns the device I paid for, me or Apple/Microsoft?
On Jun 16, 2023, Bob Campbell wrote
(in article<news:KhydnebFsKL-PBH5nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@supernews.com>):
Yes, I see what you mean. Your opinion is that there is some evil "walled >> garden" that Apple has created.
The fact is, there is no such thing.
See what I mean!
The entire world knows what the walled garden is. Except these five people.
Nobody on Android or Windows groups denies what everyone knows about Google or Microsoft - but on this newsgroup - those five are in denial because they're unaware of everything that Apple is and everything that Apple does.
Ron, the most cornered by his own lack of logic guy in town.
On 2023-06-16 13:46, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-16 16:34, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-16 13:20, Alan Browne wrote:
I use Siri a little - does okay - but can't handle French names when
you're speaking English.
---- "Navigate to 232 Boulevard St-Jean in Ste-Agathe."
For the record, I just said:
"directions to 232 boulevard saint jean (pronounced "gene") in saint
agathe, quebec"...
...and Siri appears to have found it.
At least, it found "232 Ch St-Jean" in Ste-Agathe-des-Monts" right
next to a "Lac à la Truite".
Does that make sense.
Well, I gave an off the cuff example (untested). Believe me that Siri
generally does badly with French names.
Not "Siri" but "iOS voice recognition set to expect English".
Like a broken clock, Siri will get some - but not all....
Try me.
If you need videos for proof, I'm happy to provide them.
So since Siri/voice recognition is expecting to convert English
speech into text...
...pronounce the words of the address as if they were English.
Not as easy to do as you may assume. Esp. if you're used to always
using the French pronunciation (as one should...)
Think about the difficulty of creating a voice recognition software that
not only has to interpret the sounds you make assuming one language...
...but every possible additional language the user my speak.
Try it in Google and you'll experience the same thing:
Pronouncing the French words as if they were in English will get you
better results.
And no, jail breaking does not count as using it any way you want.
Side-loading app stores that don't require jail breaking like Buildstore already exist: <https://builds.io>
nospam wrote:
part of that is because siri queries (and many other things) are
anonymous.
Except when they're not.
It's been clearly explained to you why it isn't a walled garden. It is
an eco-system - that is surely so. If you can't understand the
difference, well that's on you.
On 2023-06-16 18:07, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-16 13:46, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-16 16:34, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-16 13:20, Alan Browne wrote:
I use Siri a little - does okay - but can't handle French names
when you're speaking English.
---- "Navigate to 232 Boulevard St-Jean in Ste-Agathe."
For the record, I just said:
"directions to 232 boulevard saint jean (pronounced "gene") in saint
agathe, quebec"...
...and Siri appears to have found it.
At least, it found "232 Ch St-Jean" in Ste-Agathe-des-Monts" right
next to a "Lac à la Truite".
Does that make sense.
Well, I gave an off the cuff example (untested). Believe me that
Siri generally does badly with French names.
Not "Siri" but "iOS voice recognition set to expect English".
Like a broken clock, Siri will get some - but not all....
Try me.
If you need videos for proof, I'm happy to provide them.
Don't need to. I live in a French province and I speak both languages fluently. Siri misses things in plain English often enough - never mind adding French place names - even mangled "Englishly".
So since Siri/voice recognition is expecting to convert English
speech into text...
...pronounce the words of the address as if they were English.
Not as easy to do as you may assume. Esp. if you're used to always
using the French pronunciation (as one should...)
Think about the difficulty of creating a voice recognition software
that not only has to interpret the sounds you make assuming one
language...
...but every possible additional language the user my speak.
Never said my expectation was that it should work.
Try it in Google and you'll experience the same thing:
Pronouncing the French words as if they were in English will get you
better results.
Not all of the time. Siri doesn't even do English perfectly all of the time. So - not expecting much.
Then save that app's data on the internal removable sd card so that you can remove it easily and plug into any phone you want, and then tell the rest
of us how the walled garden doesn't only include software but hardware too.
Extract that app's installer so you can put it on any other phone you like using that same sdcard that you used on the first phone and the same data.
After you accomplish those tasks (which, let's admit - are the simplest things that anyone would possibly think of doing on Android)
The first is that it's a garden (like the garden of paradise is).
The second is that it's sheer hell outside that garden of paradise.
Mostly nothing works outside the walled garden. Only inside.
That includes the requirement for the apple login and app store but there's much more to it since iPhone hardware is designed as the walls themselves.
The hardware limitations are also part of the walled garden, where lack of common hardware is designed to make it much harder to do even some of the simplest things outside the garden. The simplest things become impossible.
The important concept of the walled garden is that Apple designed it so
that people who tend to be ignorant don't realize they're walled inside it.
On Jun 16, 2023, Bob Campbell wrote
(in article<news:KhydnebFsKL-PBH5nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@supernews.com>):
Yes, I see what you mean. Your opinion is that there is some evil "walled >> garden" that Apple has created.
The fact is, there is no such thing.
See what I mean!
The entire world knows what the walled garden is. Except these five people.
Side-loading app stores that don't require jail breaking like Buildstore already exist: <https://builds.io>
On Jun 16, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:%i5jM.23979$8uge.5760@fx14.iad>):
It's been clearly explained to you why it isn't a walled garden. It is
an eco-system - that is surely so. If you can't understand the
difference, well that's on you.
Install an app that isn't on the app store and then tell the rest of us
that there isn't any walled garden that YOU have ever been able to see.
Then save that app's data on the internal removable sd card so that you can remove it easily and plug into any phone you want, and then tell the rest
of us how the walled garden doesn't only include software but hardware too.
Extract that app's installer so you can put it on any other phone you like using that same sdcard that you used on the first phone and the same data.
After you accomplish those tasks (which, let's admit - are the simplest things that anyone would possibly think of doing on Android) change the default app messenger to something else other than what Apple gave you.
When you're done doing those simplest of tasks, then you can come back and tell everyone else that the walled garden you can't see isn't really there.
Ron, the twistiest guy in town.
Extract that app's installer so you can put it on any other phone you like using that same sdcard that you used on the first phone and the same data.
Install an app that isn't on the app store and then tell the rest of us
that there isn't any walled garden that YOU have ever been able to see.
If that's your definition of a walled garden then you're misled.
Extract the app?s installer? How quaint.
1995 called. They want their antique technology back.
Here in 2023, we download an app.
Whoosh. I have no idea how little I know about how app APKs/IPAs work.
You don't realize that with Android, the APK works on EVERY phone out
there, and even if the app is long gone from the app store, you can always extract it and put it on EVERY phone out there.
Extract the apps installer? How quaint.
1995 called. They want their antique technology back.
Here in 2023, we download an app.
You don't realize that with Android, the APK works on EVERY phone out
there, and even if the app is long gone from the app store, you can always >> extract it and put it on EVERY phone out there.
just like ios. got it.
the specific steps differ, which should be obvious to anyone with an iq higher than the model number of their phone.
and the only phones that matter are *yours*.
installing apps on other people's phones is illegal.
Install an app that isn't on the app store and then tell the rest of us
that there isn't any walled garden that YOU have ever been able to see.
Then save that app's data on the internal removable sd card so that you can remove it easily and plug into any phone you want, and then tell the rest
of us how the walled garden doesn't only include software but hardware too.
Extract that app's installer so you can put it on any other phone you like using that same sdcard that you used on the first phone and the same data.
After you accomplish those tasks (which, let's admit - are the simplest things that anyone would possibly think of doing on Android) change the default app messenger to something else other than what Apple gave you.
When you're done doing those simplest of tasks, then you can come back and tell everyone else that the walled garden you can't see isn't really there.
The hardware limitations are also part of the walled garden, where lack of common hardware is designed to make it much harder to do even some of the simplest things outside the garden. The simplest things become impossible.
On Jun 17, 2023, Bob Campbell wrote
(in article<news:Vx-cnSpcW7MulxD5nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@supernews.com>):
Extract the app�s installer? How quaint.
1995 called. They want their antique technology back.
Here in 2023, we download an app.
Whoosh. You have no idea how little you know about how app APKs/IPAs work.
You don't realize that with Android, the APK works on EVERY phone out
there, and even if the app is long gone from the app store, you can always extract it and put it on EVERY phone out there.
Ron, the dullest guy in town.
On Jun 17, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:ho7jM.13905$k4z1.9385@fx17.iad>):
Install an app that isn't on the app store and then tell the rest of us
that there isn't any walled garden that YOU have ever been able to see.
If that's your definition of a walled garden then you're misled.
The walled garden isn't just one thing, silly. It's almost everything.
That you think it is only one thing shows you know nothing about Apple. You're blind. I can't make you see. Nothing can make you see anything.
Ron, the numbest guy in town.
On 2023-06-16 15:22, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-16 18:07, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-16 13:46, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-16 16:34, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-16 13:20, Alan Browne wrote:
I use Siri a little - does okay - but can't handle French names
when you're speaking English.
---- "Navigate to 232 Boulevard St-Jean in Ste-Agathe."
For the record, I just said:
"directions to 232 boulevard saint jean (pronounced "gene") in
saint agathe, quebec"...
...and Siri appears to have found it.
At least, it found "232 Ch St-Jean" in Ste-Agathe-des-Monts" right
next to a "Lac à la Truite".
Does that make sense.
Well, I gave an off the cuff example (untested). Believe me that
Siri generally does badly with French names.
You never did actually answer my question.
Not "Siri" but "iOS voice recognition set to expect English".
Like a broken clock, Siri will get some - but not all....
Try me.
If you need videos for proof, I'm happy to provide them.
Don't need to. I live in a French province and I speak both languages
fluently. Siri misses things in plain English often enough - never
mind adding French place names - even mangled "Englishly".
I'll bet you that you're far more the problem.
Sorry, but I use it all the time with great success...
...and I literally made it work for something you said would not.
So since Siri/voice recognition is expecting to convert English
speech into text...
...pronounce the words of the address as if they were English.
Not as easy to do as you may assume. Esp. if you're used to always
using the French pronunciation (as one should...)
Think about the difficulty of creating a voice recognition software
that not only has to interpret the sounds you make assuming one
language...
...but every possible additional language the user my speak.
Never said my expectation was that it should work.
Yet you seem to blame Apple that it doesn't.
Try it in Google and you'll experience the same thing:
Pronouncing the French words as if they were in English will get you
better results.
Not all of the time. Siri doesn't even do English perfectly all of
the time. So - not expecting much.
Give an example...
On 2023-06-16 18:47, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-16 15:22, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-16 18:07, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-16 13:46, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-16 16:34, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-16 13:20, Alan Browne wrote:
I use Siri a little - does okay - but can't handle French names
when you're speaking English.
---- "Navigate to 232 Boulevard St-Jean in Ste-Agathe."
For the record, I just said:
"directions to 232 boulevard saint jean (pronounced "gene") in
saint agathe, quebec"...
...and Siri appears to have found it.
At least, it found "232 Ch St-Jean" in Ste-Agathe-des-Monts" right >>>>>> next to a "Lac à la Truite".
Does that make sense.
Well, I gave an off the cuff example (untested). Believe me that
Siri generally does badly with French names.
You never did actually answer my question.
So what?
Not "Siri" but "iOS voice recognition set to expect English".
Like a broken clock, Siri will get some - but not all....
Try me.
If you need videos for proof, I'm happy to provide them.
Don't need to. I live in a French province and I speak both
languages fluently. Siri misses things in plain English often enough
- never mind adding French place names - even mangled "Englishly".
I'll bet you that you're far more the problem.
Sorry, but I use it all the time with great success...
...and I literally made it work for something you said would not.
Sheesh - got a bone in your jaw huh.
Yes, one can contort a word that one has always pronounced correctly in French into some "English" pronunciation - do you think one does that naturally after decades of pronouncing it correctly?
So since Siri/voice recognition is expecting to convert English
speech into text...
...pronounce the words of the address as if they were English.
Not as easy to do as you may assume. Esp. if you're used to always >>>>> using the French pronunciation (as one should...)
Think about the difficulty of creating a voice recognition software
that not only has to interpret the sounds you make assuming one
language...
...but every possible additional language the user my speak.
Never said my expectation was that it should work.
Yet you seem to blame Apple that it doesn't.
Siri doesn't work for plain English on occasion either.
Try it in Google and you'll experience the same thing:
Pronouncing the French words as if they were in English will get you
better results.
Not all of the time. Siri doesn't even do English perfectly all of
the time. So - not expecting much.
Give an example...
None off the top of my head - I don't collect them. But it does happen.
And sometimes Siri won't get it right on a repeat try.
If this has NEVER happened to you, I'd be very surprised.
On 2023-06-16 15:47, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-16, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Siri is incredibly useful.
Yes...when she isn't frustrating the shit out of you by mishearing
what you said or doing the opposite of what you want. 🤣 Then again,
it's not like that never happens with other digital assistants, and
the others don't protect your privacy nearly as well, if at all.
Note: The Apple-hating trolls here (especially Lying Ronny) claim we
never discuss Apple's failures. Yet Siri is certainly nowhere near as
good as it could (or should IMO) be. And here I am mentioning it.
Imagine that.
You fiend!
Seem to recall MKBHD indicating Google's was best overall from his
testing of various voice lookups.
I use Siri a little - does okay - but can't handle French names when
you're speaking English.
---- "Navigate to 232 Boulevard St-Jean in Ste-Agathe."
Siri does great with things like: "Set an appointment with the dentist
for 25 June at 17:00 in my calendar" (eg: from my Watch).
And of course : it's in my calendar on my iPhone, both Macs and iPad
within a few seconds. Eco-sphere!
or : Set an alarm for 7-30 to leave for the golf course. (And will
label the alarm "leave for the golf course".
On 2023-06-16 12:09, badgolferman wrote:
It seems to me the concept of the “walled garden” has more to do with
the restrictions associated with the App Store and not being able to
install any program you desire. Apple enthusiasts argue such
restrictions are a good thing and protect the average person from
malware, while others argue such restrictions are preventing users
from using the devices they own in any way they see fit. And no, jail
breaking does not count as using it any way you want.
Personally I am more upset with the removal of Right of Repair for
devices or automobiles. Another insidious tactic by manufacturers is
the forced subscription model where you can’t buy a device or
software package, but must rent it every year. Who owns the device I
paid for, me or Apple/Microsoft?
Where does Apple make you subscribe to anything?
On 2023-06-16 18:41, RonTheGuy wrote:
Then save that app's data on the internal removable sd card so that
you can remove it easily and plug into any phone you want, and then
tell the rest of us how the walled garden doesn't only include
software but hardware too.
No need for SD cards. What decade are you living in anyway?
On 2023-06-16, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-16 15:47, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-16, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Siri is incredibly useful.
Yes...when she isn't frustrating the shit out of you by mishearing
what you said or doing the opposite of what you want. 🤣 Then again,
it's not like that never happens with other digital assistants, and
the others don't protect your privacy nearly as well, if at all.
Note: The Apple-hating trolls here (especially Lying Ronny) claim we
never discuss Apple's failures. Yet Siri is certainly nowhere near as
good as it could (or should IMO) be. And here I am mentioning it.
Imagine that.
You fiend!
Seem to recall MKBHD indicating Google's was best overall from his
testing of various voice lookups.
I use Siri a little - does okay - but can't handle French names when
you're speaking English.
---- "Navigate to 232 Boulevard St-Jean in Ste-Agathe."
Siri does great with things like: "Set an appointment with the dentist
for 25 June at 17:00 in my calendar" (eg: from my Watch).
And of course : it's in my calendar on my iPhone, both Macs and iPad
within a few seconds. Eco-sphere!
or : Set an alarm for 7-30 to leave for the golf course. (And will
label the alarm "leave for the golf course".
Yes, we use her for those sorts of things regularly. We also use her a
lot for home automation. She works fine most of the time, but boy...
when she doesn't work it can be infuriating. I'll often tell her to set
a light to a certain percentage and she'll just turn it off (or on)
instead. Or we'll tell her to play a certain album, and she'll play
something completely different from an album that doesn't even sound
the same. Or she'll just refuse and tell us "You have to unlock your
iPhone first". That kind of shit is just a big pain in the ass while
it's happening.
On 2023-06-17 05:57, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-16 18:47, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-16 15:22, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-16 18:07, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-16 13:46, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-16 16:34, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-16 13:20, Alan Browne wrote:
I use Siri a little - does okay - but can't handle French names >>>>>>>> when you're speaking English.
---- "Navigate to 232 Boulevard St-Jean in Ste-Agathe."
For the record, I just said:
"directions to 232 boulevard saint jean (pronounced "gene") in
saint agathe, quebec"...
...and Siri appears to have found it.
At least, it found "232 Ch St-Jean" in Ste-Agathe-des-Monts"
right next to a "Lac à la Truite".
Does that make sense.
Well, I gave an off the cuff example (untested). Believe me that >>>>>> Siri generally does badly with French names.
You never did actually answer my question.
So what?
Not "Siri" but "iOS voice recognition set to expect English".
Like a broken clock, Siri will get some - but not all....
Try me.
If you need videos for proof, I'm happy to provide them.
Don't need to. I live in a French province and I speak both
languages fluently. Siri misses things in plain English often
enough - never mind adding French place names - even mangled
"Englishly".
I'll bet you that you're far more the problem.
Sorry, but I use it all the time with great success...
...and I literally made it work for something you said would not.
Sheesh - got a bone in your jaw huh.
Yes, one can contort a word that one has always pronounced correctly
in French into some "English" pronunciation - do you think one does
that naturally after decades of pronouncing it correctly?
You think pronouncing "jean" as an English word takes "contortion"?
Interesting.
So since Siri/voice recognition is expecting to convert English
speech into text...
...pronounce the words of the address as if they were English.
Not as easy to do as you may assume. Esp. if you're used to
always using the French pronunciation (as one should...)
Think about the difficulty of creating a voice recognition software
that not only has to interpret the sounds you make assuming one
language...
...but every possible additional language the user my speak.
Never said my expectation was that it should work.
Yet you seem to blame Apple that it doesn't.
Siri doesn't work for plain English on occasion either.
And yet you cannot give an example.
Interesting.
Try it in Google and you'll experience the same thing:
Pronouncing the French words as if they were in English will get
you better results.
Not all of the time. Siri doesn't even do English perfectly all of
the time. So - not expecting much.
Give an example...
None off the top of my head - I don't collect them. But it does
happen. And sometimes Siri won't get it right on a repeat try.
If this has NEVER happened to you, I'd be very surprised.
Of course it occasionally happens.
To claim that it happens so often as to make Siri useless...
...is just bullshit.
On 2023-06-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-16 18:41, RonTheGuy wrote:
Then save that app's data on the internal removable sd card so that
you can remove it easily and plug into any phone you want, and then
tell the rest of us how the walled garden doesn't only include
software but hardware too.
No need for SD cards. What decade are you living in anyway?
The same decade where they still use floppy drives.
The walled garden isn't just one thing, silly. It's almost everything.
That you think it is only one thing shows you know nothing about Apple.
You're blind. I can't make you see. Nothing can make you see anything.
You can't seem to see that I can do pretty much anything I want with my iPhone outside of Apple's control.
Hooray for Android. That such is not a use model for iPhone does not
make iPhones a walled garden.
On Jun 17, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:0dijM.5088$jlQ4.2219@fx12.iad>):
The walled garden isn't just one thing, silly. It's almost everything.
That you think it is only one thing shows you know nothing about Apple.
You're blind. I can't make you see. Nothing can make you see anything.
You can't seem to see that I can do pretty much anything I want with my
iPhone outside of Apple's control.
I can give you a hundred restrictions (I already gave you a few) and for every one of them you'll say you don't do those things, which says a lot.
What you're saying is that you only use the iPhone as a toy (which does
nothing that everyone else wants to do because Apple doesn't allow it).
If you're OK with using the iPhone only as a shiny pretty toy, that's fine. But using an iPhone as a toy doesn't mean the walled garden doesn't exist.
Ron, the most opinionated guy in town.
On Jun 17, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:OfijM.5089$jlQ4.4879@fx12.iad>):
Hooray for Android. That such is not a use model for iPhone does not
make iPhones a walled garden.
I can give you a hundred walled garden limitations (I already gave you a
few) and for every one you'll say you don't do any of those 100 things.
You can't seem to see that I can do pretty much anything I want with my iPhone outside of Apple's control.
I can give you a hundred restrictions
On 2023-06-17 12:37, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-16 18:41, RonTheGuy wrote:
Then save that app's data on the internal removable sd card so that
you can remove it easily and plug into any phone you want, and then
tell the rest of us how the walled garden doesn't only include
software but hardware too.
No need for SD cards. What decade are you living in anyway?
The same decade where they still use floppy drives.
Still use them with my cameras (traditional and airborne) and with my
Rasp Pi projects (boot, programs and data recording).
On Jun 17, 2023, Bob Campbell wrote
(in article<news:Vx-cnSpcW7MulxD5nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@supernews.com>):
Extract the app’s installer? How quaint.
1995 called. They want their antique technology back.
Here in 2023, we download an app.
Whoosh. You have no idea how little you know about how app APKs/IPAs work.
Stupid people like you are, is why this Apple newsgroup is what it is.
You don't know how anything works with IPAs/APKs but you think you do.
On 2023-06-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-17 12:37, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-16 18:41, RonTheGuy wrote:
Then save that app's data on the internal removable sd card so that
you can remove it easily and plug into any phone you want, and then
tell the rest of us how the walled garden doesn't only include
software but hardware too.
No need for SD cards. What decade are you living in anyway?
The same decade where they still use floppy drives.
Still use them with my cameras (traditional and airborne) and with my
Rasp Pi projects (boot, programs and data recording).
You have my condolences.
No need for SD cards. What decade are you living in anyway?
The same decade where they still use floppy drives.
Still use them with my cameras (traditional and airborne) and with my
Rasp Pi projects (boot, programs and data recording).
You have my condolences.
I wasn't very clear - that is SDs, not floppys!
On 2023-06-17 14:08, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-17 12:37, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-16 18:41, RonTheGuy wrote:
Then save that app's data on the internal removable sd card so that >>>>>> you can remove it easily and plug into any phone you want, and then >>>>>> tell the rest of us how the walled garden doesn't only include
software but hardware too.
No need for SD cards. What decade are you living in anyway?
The same decade where they still use floppy drives.
Still use them with my cameras (traditional and airborne) and with my
Rasp Pi projects (boot, programs and data recording).
You have my condolences.
I wasn't very clear - that is SDs, not floppys!
On 2023-06-16, RonTheGuy <ron@null.invalid> wrote:
Install an app that isn't on the app store and then tell the rest of us
that there isn't any walled garden that YOU have ever been able to see.
Then save that app's data on the internal removable sd card so that you can >> remove it easily and plug into any phone you want, and then tell the rest
of us how the walled garden doesn't only include software but hardware too. >>
Extract that app's installer so you can put it on any other phone you like >> using that same sdcard that you used on the first phone and the same data. >>
After you accomplish those tasks (which, let's admit - are the simplest
things that anyone would possibly think of doing on Android) change the
default app messenger to something else other than what Apple gave you.
When you're done doing those simplest of tasks, then you can come back and >> tell everyone else that the walled garden you can't see isn't really there.
Why? You sound like you just crawled out of a cave for the first time.
In article <tSmjM.4947$zcM5.2714@fx11.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
No need for SD cards. What decade are you living in anyway?
The same decade where they still use floppy drives.
Still use them with my cameras (traditional and airborne) and with my
Rasp Pi projects (boot, programs and data recording).
You have my condolences.
I wasn't very clear - that is SDs, not floppys!
sony mavica ftw
On 2023-06-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-17 14:08, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-17 12:37, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-16 18:41, RonTheGuy wrote:
Then save that app's data on the internal removable sd card so that >>>>>>> you can remove it easily and plug into any phone you want, and then >>>>>>> tell the rest of us how the walled garden doesn't only include
software but hardware too.
No need for SD cards. What decade are you living in anyway?
The same decade where they still use floppy drives.
Still use them with my cameras (traditional and airborne) and with my
Rasp Pi projects (boot, programs and data recording).
You have my condolences.
I wasn't very clear - that is SDs, not floppys!
Ah, okay. My bad then.
On 2023-06-17 12:07, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-17 05:57, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-16 18:47, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-16 15:22, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-16 18:07, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-16 13:46, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-16 16:34, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-16 13:20, Alan Browne wrote:
I use Siri a little - does okay - but can't handle French names >>>>>>>>> when you're speaking English.
---- "Navigate to 232 Boulevard St-Jean in Ste-Agathe."
For the record, I just said:
"directions to 232 boulevard saint jean (pronounced "gene") in >>>>>>>> saint agathe, quebec"...
...and Siri appears to have found it.
At least, it found "232 Ch St-Jean" in Ste-Agathe-des-Monts"
right next to a "Lac à la Truite".
Does that make sense.
Well, I gave an off the cuff example (untested). Believe me that >>>>>>> Siri generally does badly with French names.
You never did actually answer my question.
So what?
Not "Siri" but "iOS voice recognition set to expect English".
Like a broken clock, Siri will get some - but not all....
Try me.
If you need videos for proof, I'm happy to provide them.
Don't need to. I live in a French province and I speak both
languages fluently. Siri misses things in plain English often
enough - never mind adding French place names - even mangled
"Englishly".
I'll bet you that you're far more the problem.
Sorry, but I use it all the time with great success...
...and I literally made it work for something you said would not.
Sheesh - got a bone in your jaw huh.
Yes, one can contort a word that one has always pronounced correctly
in French into some "English" pronunciation - do you think one does
that naturally after decades of pronouncing it correctly?
You think pronouncing "jean" as an English word takes "contortion"?
Interesting.
As I speak French daily, a lot, I don't naturally tend to change pronunciations just to satisfy Siri.
So since Siri/voice recognition is expecting to convert English >>>>>>>> speech into text...
...pronounce the words of the address as if they were English.
Not as easy to do as you may assume. Esp. if you're used to
always using the French pronunciation (as one should...)
Think about the difficulty of creating a voice recognition
software that not only has to interpret the sounds you make
assuming one language...
...but every possible additional language the user my speak.
Never said my expectation was that it should work.
Yet you seem to blame Apple that it doesn't.
Siri doesn't work for plain English on occasion either.
And yet you cannot give an example.
Interesting.
I don't catalog them. I move on. Sheesh.
Try it in Google and you'll experience the same thing:
Pronouncing the French words as if they were in English will get
you better results.
Not all of the time. Siri doesn't even do English perfectly all of >>>>> the time. So - not expecting much.
Give an example...
None off the top of my head - I don't collect them. But it does
happen. And sometimes Siri won't get it right on a repeat try.
If this has NEVER happened to you, I'd be very surprised.
Of course it occasionally happens.
To claim that it happens so often as to make Siri useless...
...is just bullshit.
Please indicate where I said it makes Siri useless? I use it a lot for
many things. Just did a moment ago to set a countdown timer and a
reminder to call someone after lunch tomorrow. No issues at all and certainly useful.
On 2023-06-17 13:26, RonTheGuy wrote:
On Jun 17, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:0dijM.5088$jlQ4.2219@fx12.iad>):
The walled garden isn't just one thing, silly. It's almost everything. >>>> That you think it is only one thing shows you know nothing about Apple. >>>> You're blind. I can't make you see. Nothing can make you see anything.
You can't seem to see that I can do pretty much anything I want with my
iPhone outside of Apple's control.
I can give you a hundred restrictions (I already gave you a few) and for
every one of them you'll say you don't do those things, which says a lot.
Give me 10 then (beyond the useless ones you've pointed out).
On 2023-06-17 10:50, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-17 13:26, RonTheGuy wrote:
On Jun 17, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:0dijM.5088$jlQ4.2219@fx12.iad>):
The walled garden isn't just one thing, silly. It's almost everything. >>>>> That you think it is only one thing shows you know nothing aboutYou can't seem to see that I can do pretty much anything I want with my >>>> iPhone outside of Apple's control.
Apple.
You're blind. I can't make you see. Nothing can make you see anything. >>>>
I can give you a hundred restrictions (I already gave you a few) and for >>> every one of them you'll say you don't do those things, which says a
lot.
Give me 10 then (beyond the useless ones you've pointed out).
Suddenly the man who won't give examples...
On 2023-06-17 10:20, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-17 12:07, Alan wrote:
To claim that it happens so often as to make Siri useless...
...is just bullshit.
Please indicate where I said it makes Siri useless? I use it a lot
for many things. Just did a moment ago to set a countdown timer and a
reminder to call someone after lunch tomorrow. No issues at all and
certainly useful.
You called it useless for addresses...
...because you're not bright enough to realize that voice recognition expecting English might have difficulty understanding things said in
French.
On 2023-06-17 16:25, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-17 10:20, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-17 12:07, Alan wrote:
To claim that it happens so often as to make Siri useless...
...is just bullshit.
Please indicate where I said it makes Siri useless? I use it a lot
for many things. Just did a moment ago to set a countdown timer and
a reminder to call someone after lunch tomorrow. No issues at all
and certainly useful.
You called it useless for addresses...
No I didn't. What I said was:
"I use Siri a little - does okay - but can't handle French names when
you're speaking English."
...because you're not bright enough to realize that voice recognition
expecting English might have difficulty understanding things said in
French.
Get off of your high horse. I speak French as I've been speaking it for decades. One does not naturally force an English pronumciation when
using French place names.
On 2023-06-17 16:27, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-17 10:50, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-17 13:26, RonTheGuy wrote:
On Jun 17, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:0dijM.5088$jlQ4.2219@fx12.iad>):
The walled garden isn't just one thing, silly. It's almost
everything.
That you think it is only one thing shows you know nothing about
Apple.
You're blind. I can't make you see. Nothing can make you see
anything.
You can't seem to see that I can do pretty much anything I want
with my
iPhone outside of Apple's control.
I can give you a hundred restrictions (I already gave you a few) and
for
every one of them you'll say you don't do those things, which says a
lot.
Give me 10 then (beyond the useless ones you've pointed out).
Suddenly the man who won't give examples...
Get over yourself. Not like I document every time Siri fails to
comprehend what I said. Do you?
On 2023-06-16, Bob Campbell <none@none.none> wrote:
RonTheGuy <ron@null.invalid> wrote:
If they left, this group would begin to approach the normalcy of the
Android and Windows newsgroups where people simply say the truth
about Google & Microsoft and where nobody acts like those above who
can't (and will never) accept anyone telling any truth about Apple
products that doesn't always put Apple in the best light they imagine
it to be.
So, feel free to tell the truth about Apple products that doesn’t
always put Apple in the best light.
AGAIN, it has to be factual. Not rumors. Not your opinion.
I’ll start. It took Apple 7 years to FINALLY upgrade the camera
hardware in iPhones. From the 6s in 2015, they have been using the
same 12 megapixel cameras. Yes, there were many software updates
along the way that helped, but no amount of software trickery can make
up for more pixels.
The iPhone 14 Pro - released in 2022 - finally has a camera upgrade.
A single 48 megapixel camera. The other 2 cameras - the wide angle
and the telephoto - are still stuck at 12 MP. Also, the non-pro
iPhone 14 models are still stuck with 12MP cameras.
I really wish Apple would get serious about cameras.
They also overdo it on the post image processing, IMO.
On 2023-06-17 13:47, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-17 16:27, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-17 10:50, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-17 13:26, RonTheGuy wrote:
On Jun 17, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:0dijM.5088$jlQ4.2219@fx12.iad>):
The walled garden isn't just one thing, silly. It's almost
everything.
That you think it is only one thing shows you know nothing about >>>>>>> Apple.
You're blind. I can't make you see. Nothing can make you see
anything.
You can't seem to see that I can do pretty much anything I want
with my
iPhone outside of Apple's control.
I can give you a hundred restrictions (I already gave you a few)
and for
every one of them you'll say you don't do those things, which says
a lot.
Give me 10 then (beyond the useless ones you've pointed out).
Suddenly the man who won't give examples...
Get over yourself. Not like I document every time Siri fails to
comprehend what I said. Do you?
Yes or no:
Did you just ask someone else to provide examples to back up their claim?
On 2023-06-17 13:33, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-17 16:25, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-17 10:20, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-17 12:07, Alan wrote:
To claim that it happens so often as to make Siri useless...
...is just bullshit.
Please indicate where I said it makes Siri useless? I use it a lot
for many things. Just did a moment ago to set a countdown timer and
a reminder to call someone after lunch tomorrow. No issues at all
and certainly useful.
You called it useless for addresses...
No I didn't. What I said was:
"I use Siri a little - does okay - but can't handle French names when
you're speaking English."
But I showed you it can and how...
...and you left out context.
'---- "Navigate to 232 Boulevard St-Jean in Ste-Agathe.'
"can't handle" is synonymous with "useless" in that context.
...because you're not bright enough to realize that voice recognition
expecting English might have difficulty understanding things said in
French.
Get off of your high horse. I speak French as I've been speaking it
for decades. One does not naturally force an English pronumciation
when using French place names.
"Naturally"? Probably not.
Knowing that one CAN do it to get a useful outcome...
...only an idiot wouldn't do it.
On 2023-06-17 17:25, Alan wrote:Whether you want to make a video tutorial or capture epic gaming moments online, screen grabbing is the best way, which can help you save screen activities into video formats. So how to do a screen grab on desktop computers? There are a handful of
On 2023-06-17 13:47, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-17 16:27, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-17 10:50, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-17 13:26, RonTheGuy wrote:
On Jun 17, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:0dijM.5088$jlQ4...@fx12.iad>):
The walled garden isn't just one thing, silly. It's almost
everything.
That you think it is only one thing shows you know nothing about >>>>>>> Apple.
You're blind. I can't make you see. Nothing can make you see
anything.
You can't seem to see that I can do pretty much anything I want >>>>>> with my
iPhone outside of Apple's control.
I can give you a hundred restrictions (I already gave you a few)
and for
every one of them you'll say you don't do those things, which says >>>>> a lot.
Give me 10 then (beyond the useless ones you've pointed out).
Suddenly the man who won't give examples...
Get over yourself. Not like I document every time Siri fails to
comprehend what I said. Do you?
Yes or no:
Did you just ask someone else to provide examples to back up their claim?Yes. Because that person proposed that they had 100 examples - so let's
see 10 of them. Light load.
Far different than expecting me to recall specific Siri fails from the past.
So: get over yourself.
--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything." -Ronald Coase
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