https://youtu.be/1S8L7t2tu0U
https://youtu.be/1S8L7t2tu0U
Am 15.03.23 um 14:47 schrieb R.Wieser:
https://youtu.be/1S8L7t2tu0U
Rudi, you are a childish Troll.
https://youtu.be/1S8L7t2tu0U
On 2023-03-15 06:47, R.Wieser wrote:
https://youtu.be/1S8L7t2tu0U
Another triggered snowflake!
On 3/15/2023 10:53 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-03-15 06:47, R.Wieser wrote:
https://youtu.be/1S8L7t2tu0U
Another triggered snowflake!
The video proves iPhone owners only want style but not capability.
On 3/15/2023 10:53 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-03-15 06:47, R.Wieser wrote:
https://youtu.be/1S8L7t2tu0U
Another triggered snowflake!
The video proves iPhone owners only want style but not capability.
But then you have to have oodles of cash to be able to support
marketing and advertising at this level along with the R&D/Engineering
and so on to develop the most wanted mobile phones out there.
It's just marketing to try to sell some more iPhone 14 and 14 Plus
models since sales of the non-Pro models have been lower than expected.
Don't read more into it than that.
Perhaps there is a customer somewhere that was waiting for the yellow
color iPhone because they currently have a yellow Android device.
Perhaps some customers will think "I hate that color, I am going to buy
a black iPhone."
You can be sure that Apple did extensive focus group analysis prior to launching this product.
On 3/15/2023 9:57 PM, sms wrote:
It's just marketing to try to sell some more iPhone 14 and 14 Plus
models since sales of the non-Pro models have been lower than expected.
Don't read more into it than that.
Perhaps there is a customer somewhere that was waiting for the yellow
color iPhone because they currently have a yellow Android device.
Perhaps some customers will think "I hate that color, I am going to buy
a black iPhone."
You can be sure that Apple did extensive focus group analysis prior to
launching this product.
But wouldn't the iPhone have been better had all that research, marketing, manufacturing and distribution effort gone into making the iPhone better?
On 3/15/2023 9:57 PM, sms wrote:
It's just marketing to try to sell some more iPhone 14 and 14 Plus
models since sales of the non-Pro models have been lower than
expected. Don't read more into it than that.
Perhaps there is a customer somewhere that was waiting for the yellow
color iPhone because they currently have a yellow Android device.
Perhaps some customers will think "I hate that color, I am going to
buy a black iPhone."
You can be sure that Apple did extensive focus group analysis prior to
launching this product.
But wouldn't the iPhone have been better had all that research, marketing, manufacturing and distribution effort gone into making the iPhone better?
It's just marketing to try to sell some more iPhone 14 and 14 Plus
models since sales of the non-Pro models have been lower than expected.
But even in the USA, iOS is barely above 50% - which is not "most" at all. How is something like 15% of the world market the "most wanted" to you?
On 3/15/2023 10:53 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-03-15 06:47, R.Wieser wrote:
https://youtu.be/1S8L7t2tu0U
Another triggered snowflake!
The video proves iPhone owners only want style but not capability.
But wouldn't the iPhone have been better had all that research, marketing, manufacturing and distribution effort gone into making the iPhone better?
On 3/15/2023 9:57 PM, sms wrote:
It's just marketing to try to sell some more iPhone 14 and 14 Plus
models since sales of the non-Pro models have been lower than
expected. Don't read more into it than that.
Perhaps there is a customer somewhere that was waiting for the yellow
color iPhone because they currently have a yellow Android device.
Perhaps some customers will think "I hate that color, I am going to
buy a black iPhone."
You can be sure that Apple did extensive focus group analysis prior to
launching this product.
But wouldn't the iPhone have been better had all that research, marketing, >> manufacturing and distribution effort gone into making the iPhone better?
How much effort do you think it takes to say "Make a yellow one"?
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:19:15 -0400, knuttle wrote:
On 3/15/2023 9:57 PM, sms wrote:
It's just marketing to try to sell some more iPhone 14 and 14 Plus
models since sales of the non-Pro models have been lower than expected.
Don't read more into it than that.
Perhaps there is a customer somewhere that was waiting for the yellow
color iPhone because they currently have a yellow Android device.
Perhaps some customers will think "I hate that color, I am going to buy
a black iPhone."
You can be sure that Apple did extensive focus group analysis prior to
launching this product.
But wouldn't the iPhone have been better had all that research, marketing, >> manufacturing and distribution effort gone into making the iPhone better?
The iPhone 14 is already as good as it needs to be to be the best selling smartphone in the parts of the world which have the means to afford it.
The video proves iPhone owners only want style but not capability.
Lame false dilemma fallacy you have there. So not only are you guys
extremely childish, you're also not very intelligent. And you just can't refrain from self-owning at every turn. How embarrassing...
On 2023-03-15 14:19, knuttle wrote:
On 3/15/2023 9:57 PM, sms wrote:
It's just marketing to try to sell some more iPhone 14 and 14 Plus
models since sales of the non-Pro models have been lower than
expected. Don't read more into it than that.
Perhaps there is a customer somewhere that was waiting for the
yellow color iPhone because they currently have a yellow Android
device.
Perhaps some customers will think "I hate that color, I am going to
buy a black iPhone."
You can be sure that Apple did extensive focus group analysis prior
to launching this product.
But wouldn't the iPhone have been better had all that research,
marketing, manufacturing and distribution effort gone into making the
iPhone better?
How much effort do you think it takes to say "Make a yellow one"?
Alan Browne wrote:
But then you have to have oodles of cash to be able to support
marketing and advertising at this level along with the
R&D/Engineering and so on to develop the most wanted mobile phones
out there.
Most wanted? Your calculator is broken.
Maybe the fact that Apple is so sucessful makes insecure people like
me explode with hatred.
On 3/15/2023 5:57 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
The video proves iPhone owners only want style but not capability.
Lame false dilemma fallacy you have there. So not only are you guys
extremely childish, you're also not very intelligent. And you just can't
refrain from self-owning at every turn. How embarrassing...
Did you watch the video? Apple is promoting only the color & nothing else. It's as if the color is the only thing that ever mattered to iPhone owners.
On 3/15/2023 5:54 PM, Alan wrote:
On 3/15/2023 9:57 PM, sms wrote:
It's just marketing to try to sell some more iPhone 14 and 14 Plus
models since sales of the non-Pro models have been lower than
expected. Don't read more into it than that.
Perhaps there is a customer somewhere that was waiting for the
yellow color iPhone because they currently have a yellow Android
device.
Perhaps some customers will think "I hate that color, I am going to
buy a black iPhone."
You can be sure that Apple did extensive focus group analysis prior
to launching this product.
But wouldn't the iPhone have been better had all that research,
marketing,
manufacturing and distribution effort gone into making the iPhone
better?
How much effort do you think it takes to say "Make a yellow one"?
Maybe if Apple spent their money on trying to improve the iPhone instead of in wasting all their efforts on a color they'd have made a 5G modem by now.
But even in the USA, iOS is barely above 50% - which is not "most" at all. >> How is something like 15% of the world market the "most wanted" to you?
apple has *eight* of the top ten smartphones worldwide.
On 3/15/2023 5:57 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
The video proves iPhone owners only want style but not capability.
Lame false dilemma fallacy you have there. So not only are you guys
extremely childish, you're also not very intelligent. And you just
can't refrain from self-owning at every turn. How embarrassing...
Did you watch the video?
It's as if the color is the only thing that ever mattered to iPhone
owners.
Alan Browne wrote:
But then you have to have oodles of cash to be able to support
marketing and advertising at this level along with the R&D/Engineering
and so on to develop the most wanted mobile phones out there.
Most wanted? Your calculator is broken.
Maybe the yellow paint job makes it most wanted by people who are like you. And that's understandable when all you care about is form & not function.
But even in the USA, iOS is barely above 50% - which is not "most" at all. How is something like 15% of the world market the "most wanted" to you?
On 2023-03-15 15:04, knuttle wrote:
On 3/15/2023 5:57 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
The video proves iPhone owners only want style but not capability.
Lame false dilemma fallacy you have there. So not only are you guys
extremely childish, you're also not very intelligent. And you just
can't refrain from self-owning at every turn. How embarrassing...
Did you watch the video? Apple is promoting only the color & nothing
else. It's as if the color is the only thing that ever mattered to
iPhone owners.
That is just utter lack of thinking...
...on YOUR part.
On 3/15/2023 5:54 PM, Alan wrote:
But wouldn't the iPhone have been better had all that research,
marketing, manufacturing and distribution effort gone into making
the iPhone better?
How much effort do you think it takes to say "Make a yellow one"?
Maybe if Apple spent their money on trying to improve the iPhone
instead of in wasting all their efforts
on a color
they'd have made a 5G modem by now.
On 3/15/2023 9:57 PM, sms wrote:
It's just marketing to try to sell some more iPhone 14 and 14 Plus
models since sales of the non-Pro models have been lower than
expected. Don't read more into it than that.
Perhaps there is a customer somewhere that was waiting for the yellow
color iPhone because they currently have a yellow Android device.
Perhaps some customers will think "I hate that color, I am going to
buy a black iPhone."
You can be sure that Apple did extensive focus group analysis prior to
launching this product.
But wouldn't the iPhone have been better had all that research, marketing, manufacturing and distribution effort gone into making the iPhone better?
On 2023-03-15 14:19, knuttle wrote:
On 3/15/2023 9:57 PM, sms wrote:
It's just marketing to try to sell some more iPhone 14 and 14 Plus
models since sales of the non-Pro models have been lower than
expected. Don't read more into it than that.
Perhaps there is a customer somewhere that was waiting for the yellow
color iPhone because they currently have a yellow Android device.
Perhaps some customers will think "I hate that color, I am going to
buy a black iPhone."
You can be sure that Apple did extensive focus group analysis prior
to launching this product.
But wouldn't the iPhone have been better had all that research,
marketing,
manufacturing and distribution effort gone into making the iPhone better?
How much effort do you think it takes to say "Make a yellow one"?
On 3/15/2023 5:57 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:=====
The video proves iPhone owners only want style but not capability.
Lame false dilemma fallacy you have there. So not only are you guys
extremely childish, you're also not very intelligent. And you just can't
refrain from self-owning at every turn. How embarrassing...
Did you watch the video? Apple is promoting only the color & nothing else. It's as if the color is the only thing that ever mattered to iPhone owners.
On 2023-03-15 17:19, knuttle wrote:
On 3/15/2023 9:57 PM, sms wrote:
It's just marketing to try to sell some more iPhone 14 and 14 Plus
models since sales of the non-Pro models have been lower than
expected. Don't read more into it than that.
Perhaps there is a customer somewhere that was waiting for the yellow
color iPhone because they currently have a yellow Android device.
Perhaps some customers will think "I hate that color, I am going to
buy a black iPhone."
You can be sure that Apple did extensive focus group analysis prior
to launching this product.
But wouldn't the iPhone have been better had all that research,
marketing,
manufacturing and distribution effort gone into making the iPhone better?
The yellow v. is a marketing effort to boost sales.
Because (pro tip coming. Get out your pen and paper): business.
Don't worry, Apple is spending oodles of cash on functional R&D as well.
Apple don't do "as if".
Apple promo videos have always been about how the user experiences the
phone (or other products). The video at hand (while very well done - because: Apple) isn't aimed at me, but it is aimed at a significant
chunk of their market.
And like everything Apple does, they go all the way.
They don't just say, "Now available in yellow."
They push it. Because: Business.
On 3/15/2023 3:28 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
Apple don't do "as if".
Apple promo videos have always been about how the user experiences the
phone (or other products). The video at hand (while very well done -
because: Apple) isn't aimed at me, but it is aimed at a significant
chunk of their market.
And like everything Apple does, they go all the way.
I'm not disagreeing with you as it's obvious the video is quite well done.
They don't just say, "Now available in yellow."
It's obvious Apple is promoting an expensive device based on nothing other than its color. The video is quite clear about what the promotion is about.
They push it. Because: Business.
If promoting something as low tech as a color actually increases iPhone sales, then it's a good data point revealing what iPhone owners care about.
On 3/15/2023 3:28 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
Apple don't do "as if".
Apple promo videos have always been about how the user experiences the
phone (or other products). The video at hand (while very well done -
because: Apple) isn't aimed at me, but it is aimed at a significant
chunk of their market.
And like everything Apple does, they go all the way.
I'm not disagreeing with you as it's obvious the video is quite well done.
They don't just say, "Now available in yellow."
It's obvious Apple is promoting an expensive device based on nothing other than its color. The video is quite clear about what the promotion is about.
They push it. Because: Business.
If promoting something as low tech as a color actually increases iPhone sales, then it's a good data point revealing what iPhone owners care about.
This was just an inexpensive way,
mid-product cycle, of trying to generate some buzz. Not sure that Steve
Jobs would have been happy with this
In article <FwrQL.180974$jiuc.100198@fx44.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
I personally don't care for yellow, so I wonder why Apple only put out
that colour as a bump at this time.
other people do.
they didn't remove any of the existing colours.
it's an *additional* option.
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 3:20:21 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
As for function, my iPhone is fantastic - esp. as how it integrates with
both my home and work Macs and iPads and my watch.
He's right that Android & Windows don't stand a chance because the iPhone
and iPad work wonderfully with the iMac & MacBook within the walled garden.
I personally don't care for yellow, so I wonder why Apple only put out
that colour as a bump at this time.
other people do.
they didn't remove any of the existing colours.
it's an *additional* option.
One.
My point is that if you 're going to do a colour based mid cycle
rollout, there could (should) have been more colours offered.
I personally don't care for yellow, so I wonder why Apple only put out
that colour as a bump at this time.
As for function, my iPhone is fantastic - esp. as how it integrates with
both my home and work Macs and iPads and my watch.
Very nice video. It's a shame other product makers can't rise to the
levels of Apple in creating advertising videos of this caliber. But
then you have to have oodles of cash to be able to support marketing and advertising at this level along with the R&D/Engineering and so on to
develop the most wanted mobile phones out there.
My point is that if you 're going to do a colour based mid cycle
rollout, there could (should) have been more colours offered.
their mid-cycle updates have historically been only one new colour.
my point is those who don't like yellow can ignore it. they have
exactly the same choices as they did before.
On 2023-03-15, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
My point is that if you 're going to do a colour based mid cycle
rollout, there could (should) have been more colours offered.
their mid-cycle updates have historically been only one new colour.
my point is those who don't like yellow can ignore it. they have
exactly the same choices as they did before.
You must agree with nospam that yellow is most definitely needed & wanted.
On 2023-03-15, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Very nice video. It's a shame other product makers can't rise to the
levels of Apple in creating advertising videos of this caliber. But
then you have to have oodles of cash to be able to support marketing and
advertising at this level along with the R&D/Engineering and so on to
develop the most wanted mobile phones out there.
The real shame is it makes a mockery of the reasons people buy the iPhone. Apple's video is mocking Apple customers in front of the eyes of the world.
On 2023-03-15, Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:
On 2023-03-15, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Very nice video. It's a shame other product makers can't rise to the
levels of Apple in creating advertising videos of this caliber. But
then you have to have oodles of cash to be able to support marketing and >>> advertising at this level along with the R&D/Engineering and so on to
develop the most wanted mobile phones out there.
The real shame is it makes a mockery of the reasons people buy the iPhone. >> Apple's video is mocking Apple customers in front of the eyes of the world.
The Troll-Hole has started spoofing my name and email address again.
Please don't fall for this shit.
On 2023-03-15, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 15.03.23 um 14:47 schrieb R.Wieser:
https://youtu.be/1S8L7t2tu0U
Rudi, you are a childish Troll.
Shhh... This may well be R.Wieser's greatest achievement ever!
If promoting something as low tech as a color actually increases iPhone
sales, then it's a good data point revealing what iPhone owners care about.
It's a good data point that they know how to satisfy their business responsibilities by targeting a segment who will be excited by it.
On 3/15/2023 11:49 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
If promoting something as low tech as a color actually increases iPhone
sales, then it's a good data point revealing what iPhone owners care
about.
It's a good data point that they know how to satisfy their business
responsibilities by targeting a segment who will be excited by it.
We are in violent agreement that Apple promoted something as mundane as a case color which, in and of itself, is calculated to raise iPhone 14 sales.
If it fails, then it means iPhone owners care more than about just color.
If it works, then it tells us that iPhone owners care greatly about color.
He's right that Android & Windows don't stand a chance because the iPhone
and iPad work wonderfully with the iMac & MacBook within the walled garden.
What walled garden is that?
Ironic. Nobody can put together a seamless experience as Apple has out
there in the so-called "unwalled garden of freedom" but bandy about
unfounded notions of a "walled garden" where Apple is concerned.
This isn't AOL, CompuServe and Palm Pilot[1].
[1] You don't hear about them anymore. Because they were indeed walled gardens.
It's a good data point that they know how to satisfy their business
responsibilities by targeting a segment who will be excited by it.
We are in violent agreement that Apple promoted something as mundane as a
case color which, in and of itself, is calculated to raise iPhone 14 sales. >>
If it fails, then it means iPhone owners care more than about just color.
If it works, then it tells us that iPhone owners care greatly about color.
Bad analysis. What it means if it works is that Apple have correctly
applied their superb marketing skills to boost sales. And to be clear (again), this campaign will not only sell yellow phones, but others as well.
When you place Android phones next to Windows, it's seamless in every way.
where by 'seamless in every way', you mean partially, and only after
adding all sorts of additional software that's required and then
configuring it to work properly. that's not what anyone would call 'seamless', and not anywhere close to 'in every way'.
When you place iPhones next to Windows, it's not even close to seamless.
not quite. although it's not as seamless as with macs, it's far better
than your false claim. quite a bit is seamless, however, there is some functionality that's not available due to limitations with windows and
pcs. microsoft could also support more of the *public* *apis* in ios,
but for some reason, they have chosen to do an incomplete job.
When you place Android phones next to Windows, it's seamless in every way.
When you place iPhones next to Windows, it's not even close to seamless.
When you place Android phones next to Windows, it's seamless in every way.
where by 'seamless in every way', you mean partially, and only after
adding all sorts of additional software that's required and then configuring it to work properly. that's not what anyone would call 'seamless', and not anywhere close to 'in every way'.
I don't think you've put an Android phone next to Windows in many years.
It's the iPhone that needs "all sorts of additional software", not Android.
On 3/15/2023 11:49 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
If promoting something as low tech as a color actually increases
iPhone sales, then it's a good data point revealing what iPhone
owners care about.
It's a good data point that they know how to satisfy their business
responsibilities by targeting a segment who will be excited by it.
We are in violent agreement that Apple promoted something as mundane
as a case color which, in and of itself, is calculated to raise iPhone
14 sales.
If it fails, then it means iPhone owners care more than about just
color. If it works, then it tells us that iPhone owners care greatly
about color.
In article <tuvdlt$1fmcb$1@dont-email.me>, knuttle
<keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
When you place Android phones next to Windows, it's seamless in every way.
where by 'seamless in every way', you mean partially, and only after
adding all sorts of additional software that's required and then
configuring it to work properly. that's not what anyone would call
'seamless', and not anywhere close to 'in every way'.
I don't think you've put an Android phone next to Windows in many years.
It's the iPhone that needs "all sorts of additional software", not Android.
wrong on both.
here's one app that needs to be installed:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.appmanager>
You love your phone. So does your PC. Get instant access to
everything you love on your phone, right from your PC. To get
started, install the Link to Windows app on your Android phone
and connect it with the Phone Link app on your Windows PC.
Link your Android phone and PC to view and reply to text messages,
make and receive calls*, view your notifications, and more.
Make emailing yourself photos a thing of the past as you share your
favorite images between your phone and PC. Copy, edit, and even
drag and drop photos without ever touching your phone.
note all of the caveats, including that bluetooth is required and
worse, some devices are not fully supported. that rules out a lot of
users at the gate.
also note that the reviews are not that good:
This app used to be a great way to communicate via calls and texts
from my PC without needing to pull my phone out every time, but at
some point in the last couple months, the contacts no longer sync.
It's not working that well. At most, it can access apps on your phone
and do a chromecast. Messages don't work, and so do calls. I can't
even link them together
...The option to select and move more than one photo at a time has
never been there, neither has the option to do ANYTHING with videos
been there, and now nothing works at all. Won't load any photos, apps
or messages from my phone. Just pay someone else to develop the
dang thing for you if you can't figure it out. And quit asking me for
reviews.
that's not what anyone would call 'seamless'.
On 3/15/2023 11:49 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
If promoting something as low tech as a color actually increases
iPhone
sales, then it's a good data point revealing what iPhone owners
care about.
It's a good data point that they know how to satisfy their
business responsibilities by targeting a segment who will be
excited by it.
We are in violent agreement that Apple promoted something as
mundane as a
case color which, in and of itself, is calculated to raise iPhone
14 sales.
If it fails, then it means iPhone owners care more than about just
color.
If it works, then it tells us that iPhone owners care greatly about
color.
On 3/15/2023 6:57 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
He's right that Android & Windows don't stand a chance because the
iPhone
and iPad work wonderfully with the iMac & MacBook within the walled
garden.
What walled garden is that?
If you haven't experienced the walled garden then you don't own anything other than Apple devices (which do work great inside that walled garden).
Ironic. Nobody can put together a seamless experience as Apple has
out there in the so-called "unwalled garden of freedom" but bandy
about unfounded notions of a "walled garden" where Apple is concerned.
When you place Android phones next to Windows, it's seamless in every way.
When you place iPhones next to Windows, it's not even close to seamless.
This isn't AOL, CompuServe and Palm Pilot[1].
[1] You don't hear about them anymore. Because they were indeed
walled gardens.
If you can't see your hand in front of your face, I can't make you see it.
Suffice to say you probably don't own Android or Windows devices so you haven't ever been outside of the strict confines of the walled garden.
On 3/16/2023 10:43 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
It's a good data point that they know how to satisfy their business
responsibilities by targeting a segment who will be excited by it.
We are in violent agreement that Apple promoted something as mundane
as a
case color which, in and of itself, is calculated to raise iPhone 14
sales.
If it fails, then it means iPhone owners care more than about just
color.
If it works, then it tells us that iPhone owners care greatly about
color.
Bad analysis. What it means if it works is that Apple have correctly
applied their superb marketing skills to boost sales. And to be clear
(again), this campaign will not only sell yellow phones, but others as
well.
We violently agree that Apple "correctly applied their superb marketing skills to boost sales" of the iPhone 14 by merely changing only the color.
If this ploy works, and it probably will, then it tells us that the kind of people who purchase iPhone14's care more about the outside than the inside.
If it fails, then the iPhone consumer isn't easily fooled by simple ruse.
Time will tell if this marketing ploy works or if consumers see through it. Let's not discuss it further until we know more about whether the artifice boosted sales or not (which will take at least a sales quarter to know).
We can pick it up again in 3 months when we know if the stratagem worked.
What walled garden is that?
If you haven't experienced the walled garden then you don't own anything other than Apple devices (which do work great inside that walled garden).
Except it's not a walled garden. This is a facile label the Android/Linux/Windows crowd bandy about to excuse the mediocrity of
their systems.
but it doesn't change anything I said about the walled garden for Apple.
here's one app that needs to be installed: <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.appmanager>
that's not what anyone would call 'seamless'.
When you place Android phones next to Windows, it's seamless in every >> >> way.
where by 'seamless in every way', you mean partially, and only after
adding all sorts of additional software that's required and then
configuring it to work properly. that's not what anyone would call
'seamless', and not anywhere close to 'in every way'.
I don't think you've put an Android phone next to Windows in many years. >> It's the iPhone that needs "all sorts of additional software", not Android.
wrong on both.
here's one app that needs to be installed:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.appmanager>
You love your phone. So does your PC. Get instant access to
everything you love on your phone, right from your PC. To get
started, install the Link to Windows app on your Android phone
and connect it with the Phone Link app on your Windows PC.
Link your Android phone and PC to view and reply to text messages,
make and receive calls*, view your notifications, and more.
Make emailing yourself photos a thing of the past as you share your
favorite images between your phone and PC. Copy, edit, and even
drag and drop photos without ever touching your phone.
note all of the caveats, including that bluetooth is required and
worse, some devices are not fully supported. that rules out a lot of
users at the gate.
also note that the reviews are not that good:
This app used to be a great way to communicate via calls and texts
from my PC without needing to pull my phone out every time, but at
some point in the last couple months, the contacts no longer sync.
It's not working that well. At most, it can access apps on your phone
and do a chromecast. Messages don't work, and so do calls. I can't
even link them together
...The option to select and move more than one photo at a time has
never been there, neither has the option to do ANYTHING with videos
been there, and now nothing works at all. Won't load any photos, apps
or messages from my phone. Just pay someone else to develop the
dang thing for you if you can't figure it out. And quit asking me for
reviews.
that's not what anyone would call 'seamless'.
It is exceedingly clear that knuttle and his little troll gang don't
actually know what seamless means.
On 3/15/2023 11:49 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
If promoting something as low tech as a color actually increases iPhone
sales, then it's a good data point revealing what iPhone owners care
about.
It's a good data point that they know how to satisfy their business
responsibilities by targeting a segment who will be excited by it.
We are in violent agreement that Apple promoted something as mundane as a case color which, in and of itself, is calculated to raise iPhone 14 sales.
If it fails, then it means iPhone owners care more than about just color.
If it works, then it tells us that iPhone owners care greatly about color.
It is exceedingly clear that knuttle and his little troll gang don't
actually know what seamless means.
If you can't see your hand in front of your face, I can't make you see it.
Facile blather.
they don't actually know what can be done with ios.
their version of 'seamless' is little more than 'seeing the file
system' via usb, while ignoring that one must then use explorer or an
ftp app (and on both devices) to navigate files and folders. it's the
very opposite of seamless.
everyone else's version of seamless includes initiating and answering
calls & texts using whichever device is most convenient, copying text
on one device and pasting it on the other, editing a document on one
device and continuing on the other (without manually copying anything
between devices), selecting a document with the mouse and directly
dragging it to the other device, or drag a window from one device to
the other, just to name a few, all *without* needing to use a cable.
some of those do not even require the ios device & mac to be within
bluetooth & wifi range (i.e, entirely different locations), and in some cases, the ios device can be *off*.
as i've said before, the only walls are ones they build themselves.
but it doesn't change anything I said about the walled garden for Apple.
true. you were wrong then and continue to be wrong now. nothing has
changed nor will it.
The original iMac, from 1998, came in one color, then in 1999 they added
four more
The iPhone 14 yellow is not the first time Apple came out with a yellow iPhone, there was the iPhone 5c as well, which was an iPhone 5 in a
colored plastic shell. It flopped,
but not because of the color, it was
not as good as the 5s which was only slightly more expensive.
What happens the instant after you connect each phone using USB cabling?
Everything you claim requires the Internet to work
nope. it does not require the internet to work.
not only are you confirming what i said, but you're excavating an even
deeper hole.
keep up the good work!
On 3/16/2023 1:05 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
If you can't see your hand in front of your face, I can't make you
see it.
Facile blather.
Over the past fifteen years, the Windows/Android interface has improved.
How many current Android and Windows 10/11 devices are you using today?
If the answer is you only use old Android & old Windows PCs, then how do
you know anything at all about how seamlessly they work together today?
What happens the instant after you connect each phone using USB cabling?
cables? do you keep those in the same drawer as the floppy disks?
how about leaving the phone in one's pocket, and in some cases, it
doesn't even need to be within wifi range (let alone bluetooth), or
even powered on.
How are you going to copy files from Windows and to Windows using the
iPhone in your pocket WITHOUT the Internet jumping over Apple's walls?
On 3/16/2023 1:33 PM, nospam wrote:
as i've said before, the only walls are ones they build themselves.
You're close that the main walls of the fabled Apple walled garden
is that
almost nothing is "seamless" when you don't use the Internet to do it.
Also almost nothing is seamless for the iPhone with stock Windows
10/11
until you add & configure what you had already defined as NOT
seamless.
On 3/16/2023 2:00 PM, nospam wrote:
What happens the instant after you connect each phone using USB
cabling?
cables? do you keep those in the same drawer as the floppy disks?
how about leaving the phone in one's pocket, and in some cases, it
doesn't even need to be within wifi range (let alone bluetooth), or
even powered on.
I'll take that as you understand that Android is seamless with stock
Windows 10/11 when connected by cables, and the iPhone is definitely
not.
Moving forward, Android is also seamless when connected to Windows
using the LAN where you can run stock batch Windows commands to copy
files.
Without the WAN.
How are you going to copy files from Windows and to Windows using the
iPhone in your pocket WITHOUT the Internet jumping over Apple's walls?
I also even got "airprint" to work with a non Apple blessed wifi
printer! It works, but involved a *lot* of installing, setting up,
and pissing around (trial and error). (It's non apple software)
It's so damn primitive though, it turned out to be not useful at
all, and not worth the effort. Better to send the file to windows
and print from there. I'm sure it produces excellent results if you
have the complete "garden" at your disposal.
That's about all I've been able to do so far, but it's enough for
my needs. I like my iphone very much, but no way I'm buying a high
dollar mac, let alone the entire overpriced apple orchard garden.
In article <tuvmec$1h7ot$1@dont-email.me>, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
How are you going to copy files from Windows and to Windows using the
iPhone in your pocket WITHOUT the Internet jumping over Apple's walls?
there is this new highly advanced technology, which until just recently
was known only to a select few, but i'll let you in on it. it's called
wifi. industry pundits have claimed that one day it will become
commonplace.
like i said, you don't understand what ios can actually do.
In article <tuvknd$1gt8g$1@dont-email.me>, knuttle
<keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
they don't actually know what can be done with ios.
Everything you claim requires the Internet to work
nope. it does not require the internet to work.
not only are you confirming what i said, but you're excavating an even
deeper hole.
keep up the good work!
On 3/16/2023 2:00 PM, nospam wrote:
Everything you claim requires the Internet to work
nope. it does not require the internet to work.
not only are you confirming what i said, but you're excavating an
even deeper hole.
keep up the good work!
You're still avoiding the question asked
knuttle has no idea that iPhone users back up and sync their iPhones to
their computers, transfer files with AirDrop, and do all sorts of other productivity-enhancing things easily (often without any interaction on
their part) over WiFi with no cable required. knuttle has no idea what seamless means.
In article <k7guogFde50U2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
It is exceedingly clear that knuttle and his little troll gang don't
actually know what seamless means.
they don't actually know what can be done with ios.
their version of 'seamless' is little more than 'seeing the file
system' via usb, while ignoring that one must then use explorer or an
ftp app (and on both devices) to navigate files and folders. it's the
very opposite of seamless.
everyone else's version of seamless includes initiating and answering
calls & texts using whichever device is most convenient, copying text
on one device and pasting it on the other, editing a document on one
device and continuing on the other (without manually copying anything
between devices), selecting a document with the mouse and directly
dragging it to the other device, or drag a window from one device to
the other, just to name a few, all *without* needing to use a cable.
some of those do not even require the ios device & mac to be within
bluetooth & wifi range (i.e, entirely different locations), and in some cases, the ios device can be *off*.
Good little summary of just some of the things that make Apple products *huge* productivity boosters.
On 3/16/2023 5:08 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
Good little summary of just some of the things that make Apple products
*huge* productivity boosters.
How many of those iPhone things work with Windows and without requiring the Internet or iTunes to surmount what are the high walls of Apple's garden?
like i said, you don't understand what ios can actually do.
By god, it's time to stop the idle bickering and break out the
lances and battle axes!
To be fair, you *CAN* transfer pictures without adding any more
software, but absolutely nothing else, that I could find.
You can also make a shared folder in windows, and use the iphone's
files app to log into windows to transfer any files that IOS
actually lets you access. It works very well, even using wifi
instead of a lightning cable. There is some initial fiddling to do,
but the iphone and windows remembers it, so it's only a one time setup.
You can install itunes, and that gives you the ability to make
backups of your iphone onto a windows file. That's about all it's
good for unless you're an apple music fan. I know it works well
because I did two restores when IOS got screwed up (probably from
my fiddling with it's settings and also inexperience at the time).
I also even got "airprint" to work with a non Apple blessed wifi
printer! It works, but involved a *lot* of installing, setting up,
and pissing around (trial and error). (It's non apple software)
It's so damn primitive though, it turned out to be not useful at
all, and not worth the effort. Better to send the file to windows
and print from there. I'm sure it produces excellent results if you
have the complete "garden" at your disposal.
Being a pragmatist, I don't give a shit whose fault it is. It's
just the way it is.
just about every printer has supported airprint and google's cloud
print for more than a decade, although google has discontinued cloud
print, so that will likely change. looks like printing is another thing
ios can easily do that android cannot.
Android has a printer option on the phone to print direct already.
It's been there for something like five years and is always improving.
Your information is outdated as Android 9 and up prints directly without a computer & without using the cloud using the Android Default Print Service.
How many of those iPhone things work with Windows and without requiring the >> Internet or iTunes to surmount what are the high walls of Apple's garden?
In the context of Apple devices either BT and/or Wifi is all that is
needed and iTunes doesn't play a role at all and the internet is not needed.
There is one cool exception that works through the internet... I forgot
my iPhone at my buddy's house. I'm at home and I want to SMS to an
employee: Android phone.
So, on my iMac I text the employee. The message is sent via Apple
Messages to my iPhone (at my buddy's house) and thence over the mobile
phone SMS/MMS service to my employee.
Case I: my iPhone was using my buddy's WiFi - it would go through there.
Case II: my iPhone was using mobile data - it would go through there.
Where's the walled garden there?
Of course I could also have done that with my iPad at home. Same
difference.
Or my Watch for that matter.
And that was about 5 years ago. It just keeps getting smoother and better.
Like using an iPad as a side monitor. (No app needed as with Win/Andr).
Like taking calls on my Watch because I left the phone upstairs.
Admittedly awkward ...
... but of course that call can be "taken over" on the iPhone when I locate it.
Seamlessly. No additional apps to install.
google's cloud print was introduced way back in 2010
to compete with apple's airprint, also in 2010, except that cloud print
was discontinued in 2020, making it not a realistic option anymore.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Cloud_Print>
Google Cloud Print was a Google service that allowed users to print
from any Cloud Print-aware application (web, desktop, mobile) on
any device in the network cloud to any printer with native support
for connecting to cloud print services without Google having to
create and maintain printing subsystems for all the hardware
combinations of client devices and printers, and without the users
having to install device drivers to the client, but with documents
being fully transmitted to Google. Starting on July 23, 2013 it
allowed printing from any Windows application, if Google Cloud
Printer was installed on the machine.
Google Cloud Print was shut down on December 31, 2020.
In article <tv03k1$23mpa$1@solani.org>, mike <this@address.is.invalid>
wrote:
Your information is outdated as Android 9 and up prints directly without a >> computer & without using the cloud using the Android Default Print Service.
except when it doesn't.
Your information is outdated as Android 9 and up prints directly without a >> computer & without using the cloud using the Android Default Print Service.
except when it doesn't.
On 17-03-2023 03:36 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Your information is outdated as Android 9 and up prints directly
without a
computer & without using the cloud using the Android Default
Print Service.
except when it doesn't.
Your information is outdated as the Android Default Print Service
prints
directly from your phone to printers connected to the same Wi-Fi
network.
How well does that work on the Windows 10/11 computer that you don't own?
On 3/16/2023 4:09 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
To be fair, you *CAN* transfer pictures without adding any more
software, but absolutely nothing else, that I could find.
Not so fast.
Without "adding all sorts of additional software that's required
and then
configuring it to work properly" how do you copy a movie over
cables from Windows to the iPhone "without adding any more
software" like iTunes?
You can also make a shared folder in windows, and use the
iphone's files app to log into windows to transfer any files that
IOS actually lets you access. It works very well, even using wifi
instead of a lightning cable. There is some initial fiddling to
do, but the iphone and windows remembers it, so it's only a one
time setup.
Not so fast.
Doesn't Android "share folders" with Windows seamlessly without
iTunes?
You can install itunes, and that gives you the ability to make
backups of your iphone onto a windows file. That's about all it's
good for unless you're an apple music fan. I know it works well
because I did two restores when IOS got screwed up (probably from
my fiddling with it's settings and also inexperience at the time).
Remember nospam's definition of seamless requires NOT needing to
"add all sorts of additional software that's required and then
configuring it to work properly" which is what Android does but not
what the iPhone does when connected to Windows 10/11.
I also even got "airprint" to work with a non Apple blessed wifi
printer! It works, but involved a *lot* of installing, setting
up, and pissing around (trial and error). (It's non apple
software) It's so damn primitive though, it turned out to be not
useful at all, and not worth the effort. Better to send the file
to windows and print from there. I'm sure it produces excellent
results if you have the complete "garden" at your disposal.
Keep in mind nospam's definition of seamless requires NOT adding
and configuring "all sorts of" additional software which Android
meets.
Android has a printer option on the phone to print direct already.
It's been there for something like five years and is always improving.
Being a pragmatist, I don't give a shit whose fault it is. It's
just the way it is.
I said from the start that it is seamless when you're completely
inside the walled garden but Windows is outside the walled garden
so iPhones are not seamless with Windows (while Android phones are
as seamless as you get).
Remember if it requires the Internet, it's not seamless and if it
requires iTunes, it's not seamless. Even if it requires software on
the iPhone that isn't already there, it's not seamless by nospam's
own definitions.
You do not need any of that to copy a movie to Android from Windows
10/11.
What nospam & Jolly Roger are confused about is Windows 10/11 is
outside
the walled garden but the iMac and MacBook are inside the walled
garden.
On 3/17/2023 3:28 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
How many of those iPhone things work with Windows and without
requiring the
Internet or iTunes to surmount what are the high walls of Apple's
garden?
In the context of Apple devices either BT and/or Wifi is all that is
needed and iTunes doesn't play a role at all and the internet is not
needed.
Not so fast.
He said all these things can be done on Windows 10/11 without the Internet?
Here is what he said can be done outside the fabled Apple walled garden.
"initiating and answering calls & texts using whichever device is most convenient, copying text on one device and pasting it on the other, editing
a document on one device and continuing on the other (without manually copying anything between devices), selecting a document with the mouse and directly dragging it to the other device, or drag a window from one device
to the other, just to name a few, all *without* needing to use a cable."
Which of those do not require using an Internet account on Apple servers?
There is one cool exception that works through the internet... I
forgot my iPhone at my buddy's house. I'm at home and I want to SMS
to an employee: Android phone.
So, on my iMac I text the employee. The message is sent via Apple
Messages to my iPhone (at my buddy's house) and thence over the mobile
phone SMS/MMS service to my employee.
Case I: my iPhone was using my buddy's WiFi - it would go through there.
Case II: my iPhone was using mobile data - it would go through there.
Where's the walled garden there?
How well does that work on the Windows 10/11 computer that you don't own?
Of course I could also have done that with my iPad at home. Same
difference.
Or my Watch for that matter.
And that was about 5 years ago. It just keeps getting smoother and
better.
Like using an iPad as a side monitor. (No app needed as with Win/Andr).
Like taking calls on my Watch because I left the phone upstairs.
Admittedly awkward ...
... but of course that call can be "taken over" on the iPhone when
I locate it.
Seamlessly. No additional apps to install.
None of it works with Windows 10/11 computers (that you have never used).
All of it only works inside the high walls of the fabled walled garden.
How well does that work on the Windows 10/11 computer that you don't own?
why would anyone be using a computer that they don't own?
In article <tv04da$1jlfi$1@dont-email.me>, knuttle
<keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
How well does that work on the Windows 10/11 computer that you don't
own?
why would anyone be using a computer that they don't own?
keep on moving those goalposts though. maybe you can build a new wall
in the trench it left as you dragged them along.
keep on moving those goalposts though. maybe you can build a new wall
in the trench it left as you dragged them along.
It turns out the only Walled Garden is the one he's building inside of
his head. ; )
On 3/16/2023 6:49 PM, nospam wrote:
How well does that work on the Windows 10/11 computer that you don't
own?
why would anyone be using a computer that they don't own?
whoosh
Maybe this should go into the sms document.
I know it was a bear to
get my iphone to print to a cannon printer on wifi. And the results
were not worth a shit.
Which of those do not require using an Internet account on Apple servers?
None of them. This is all device to device. To be sure they have to be "linked" via an Apple account. But:
How well does that work on the Windows 10/11 computer that you don't
own?
why would anyone be using a computer that they don't own?
whoosh
Indeed for you.
Nowadays you print from Android directly to your own wifi enabled printer.
you mean, like iphones have been doing for nearly 15 years?
google was forced to add other options because cloud print was a
failure (and they're not as 'seamless' as you claim).
and why would a printer be connected via wifi while phones require usb
in your contrived scenarios?
it really should be the other way around. printers don't move, so a
cable is a much better choice. phones *do* move, so wifi is usually a
better choice, although there are a few instances where a usb cable is needed, such as restoring the firmware for a seemingly dead device.
Nowadays you print from Android directly to your own wifi enabled printer.
you mean, like iphones have been doing for nearly 15 years?
You're the one who said only Apple iPhones could print, not me.
Google doesn't matter when every printer company has their own app too.
You can print from Android to a USB printer if that's what you want. https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c05384190
Check out the HP fine print in the description above, where it says
"Printing with a USB OTG cable is never supported on any Apple device!"
In article <tv0a9l$1kkkc$1@dont-email.me>, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Nowadays you print from Android directly to your own wifi enabled printer. >>>you mean, like iphones have been doing for nearly 15 years?
You're the one who said only Apple iPhones could print, not me.
nobody said that, liar.
Google doesn't matter when every printer company has their own app too.
making it even less seamless than it already is.
You can print from Android to a USB printer if that's what you want.
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c05384190
needing to connect a phone to a printer via a usb cable any time
someone wants to print?? and you consider that seamless?
and what about network printers that don't have usb? now what?
Check out the HP fine print in the description above, where it says
"Printing with a USB OTG cable is never supported on any Apple device!"
because using a usb cable to print from a phone is an incredibly stupid
idea that almost nobody will use. except maybe you.
instead, they'll use airprint to print *wirelessly* via *wifi*, without needing to download an app from 'every printer company' (as you
mentioned above) or needing to find a usb cable. they don't even need
to be near the printer. *that* is what normal people call seamless.
Do you realize YOU brought up usb printing
On 16-03-2023 18:34 Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Maybe this should go into the sms document.
What does messaging have to do with printing?
Both iOS and Android can print directly to a wifi printer on your lan.
In article <tv058c$1jpj9$1@dont-email.me>, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Nowadays you print from Android directly to your own wifi enabled printer.
you mean, like iphones have been doing for nearly 15 years?
Not just *any* printer. Has to be *airprint* printer.
Do you realize YOU brought up usb printing
nope.
it was *you* who first brought up usb printing.
Do you realize YOU brought up usb printing
nope.
it was *you* who first brought up usb printing.
Why do you lie when anyone can look and see it was you who said that.
In article <tv058c$1jpj9$1@dont-email.me>, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Nowadays you print from Android directly to your own wifi enabled printer.
you mean, like iphones have been doing for nearly 15 years?
google was forced to add other options because cloud print was a
failure (and they're not as 'seamless' as you claim).
and why would a printer be connected via wifi while phones require usb
in your contrived scenarios?
it really should be the other way around. printers don't move, so a
cable is a much better choice. phones *do* move, so wifi is usually a
better choice, although there are a few instances where a usb cable is needed, such as restoring the firmware for a seemingly dead device.
On 3/17/2023 4:19 AM, nospam wrote:
and why would a printer be connected via wifi while phones require usb
in your contrived scenarios?
You can print from Android to a USB printer if that's what you want. https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c05384190
it really should be the other way around. printers don't move, so a
cable is a much better choice. phones *do* move, so wifi is usually a better choice, although there are a few instances where a usb cable is needed, such as restoring the firmware for a seemingly dead device.
Check out the HP fine print in the description above, where it says
"Printing with a USB OTG cable is never supported on any Apple device!"
The only printers iPhones can print to are those inside the walled garden
Google doesn't matter when every printer company has their own app too.
*you* brought up usb otg for printing.
On 3/16/2023 7:35 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
How well does that work on the Windows 10/11 computer that you
don't own?
why would anyone be using a computer that they don't own?
whoosh
Indeed for you.
Speaking of whoosh, the Apple ID is a main component of the walled garden.
If it needs an Apple account, then it won't work outside the walled garden.
On 3/17/2023 2:11 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
Speaking of whoosh, the Apple ID is a main component of the walled
garden. If it needs an Apple account, then it won't work outside
the walled garden.
Yes - it's needed to provide all that secure keychain stuff that
allows one to link one's phone to one's mac or iPad w/o letting
others do the same. A one-time thing.
I think what you're saying is that the walled garden is required but
only as a first step, as nothing will work if you don't have that
Apple account.
But a connection to iCloud or Apple servers is not required to do
things in realtime. Just local WiFi - or device to device via WiFi
(some functions are negotiated via BT). Apple's servers are not
contacted.
Thank you for explaining that the Apple servers aren't needed at that
time.
Why you can use your devices seamlessly on the road with no local
network.
If all that worked WITHOUT anyone needing the Apple account, that
would be a good thing because then it would work OUTSIDE the walled
garden too.
mike wrote:
On 16-03-2023 18:34 Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Maybe this should go into the sms document.
What does messaging have to do with printing?
Both iOS and Android can print directly to a wifi printer on your lan.
IOS can't, unless the printer is a model specially blessed by apple.
They call it "airprint". Not sure why it wasn't called iprint.
Speaking of whoosh, the Apple ID is a main component of the walled garden. >> If it needs an Apple account, then it won't work outside the walled garden.
Yes - it's needed to provide all that secure keychain stuff that allows
one to link one's phone to one's mac or iPad w/o letting others do the
same. A one-time thing.
But a connection to iCloud or Apple servers is not required to do things
in realtime. Just local WiFi - or device to device via WiFi (some
functions are negotiated via BT). Apple's servers are not contacted.
Why you can use your devices seamlessly on the road with no local network.
On 3/16/2023 11:38 PM, nospam wrote:
*you* brought up usb otg for printing.
I noticed your intentional deception of editing my response instead of posting what YOU said which showed it was YOU who brought up usb printing.
You lied.
We're done.
In other words you're just mad you can't have it on your crappy Android
and Windows devices.
On 3/17/2023 2:11 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
Speaking of whoosh, the Apple ID is a main component of the walled
garden.
If it needs an Apple account, then it won't work outside the walled
garden.
Yes - it's needed to provide all that secure keychain stuff that
allows one to link one's phone to one's mac or iPad w/o letting others
do the same. A one-time thing.
I think what you're saying is that the walled garden is required but only
as a first step, as nothing will work if you don't have that Apple account.
But a connection to iCloud or Apple servers is not required to do
things in realtime. Just local WiFi - or device to device via WiFi
(some functions are negotiated via BT). Apple's servers are not
contacted.
Thank you for explaining that the Apple servers aren't needed at that time.
Why you can use your devices seamlessly on the road with no local
network.
If all that worked WITHOUT anyone needing the Apple account, that would be
a good thing because then it would work OUTSIDE the walled garden too.
It's not a walled garden no matter how much you bleat about it being so.
Moreso, it's a benefit of the ecosystem that Apple devices you have are
all unified under one ID using a keychain system. This is quite secure (human failings aside).
And yet, it also allows for a very clean interface between two Apple
users to share data quickly and on a per case authorization (AirDrop).
No walled garden. Would you want any random device to access the files
on your iPhone or Mac while on the road? Rationally no. So Apple ID provides the secure means of key management and device authorization.
But your continued bleating over a non-existent walled garden makes me
wonder about your rationality.
On 3/17/2023 11:09 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
In other words you're just mad you can't have it on your crappy Android
and Windows devices.
I'm not mad.
Alan Browne originally said the walled garden doesn't exist and I was
explaining to him using his own description that it won't work outside the walled garden (because the walled garden is very real even as Alan didn't know that probably because he only has Apple devices so he's always inside anyway).
You only notice the walled garden exists when you're outside of it.
Nobody said Apple products don't work seamlessly INSIDE the walled garden. The real-world problem is they don't work AT ALL outside the walled garden.
Take Apple's new iOS 16 beta "Continuity Camera" feature for example.
It works well in the walled garden but won't work at all in the real world.
I'm not mad.
Alan Browne originally said the walled garden doesn't exist and I was
Walled garden's exist. The Apple "ecosphere" is not one no matter how
much you desperately bleat it.
You only notice the walled garden exists when you're outside of it.
Eh? Since there is no walled garden I don't see it from any perspective.
Well, my Linux machines, Windows machines (now VM'd) say otherwise.
And guess what: no walled garden!
Just a lovely paradise of seamless integration.
Nobody said Apple products don't work seamlessly INSIDE the walled garden. >> The real-world problem is they don't work AT ALL outside the walled garden. >>
Take Apple's new iOS 16 beta "Continuity Camera" feature for example.
It works well in the walled garden but won't work at all in the real world.
It will work fine. Demonstrably so. Because: no walled garden. That
is a figment of your imagination and desperation to pitch what isn't.
Done with you. I just realized that wrestling with a pig just pleases
the pig and make me dirty.
On 3/17/2023 4:19 AM, nospam wrote:
Nowadays you print from Android directly to your own wifi enabled
printer.
you mean, like iphones have been doing for nearly 15 years?
You're the one who said only Apple iPhones could print, not me.
google was forced to add other options because cloud print was a
failure (and they're not as 'seamless' as you claim).
Google doesn't matter when every printer company has their own app too.
On 3/17/2023 11:09 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
In other words you're just mad you can't have it on your crappy
Android and Windows devices.
I'm not mad.
On 17-03-2023 02:07 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
just about every printer has supported airprint and google's cloud
print for more than a decade, although google has discontinued cloud
print, so that will likely change. looks like printing is another thing
ios can easily do that android cannot.
Your information is outdated as Android 9 and up prints directly without a computer & without using the cloud using the Android Default Print Service.
Your information is outdated as Android 9 and up prints directly without a >> computer & without using the cloud using the Android Default Print Service.
Eleven years ago, I bought a Epson 545 printer. It has worked flawlessly
over WiFi, with all my Apple devices, since then. That's a couple Minis
and several iDevices.
Any inability to print, while sitting on my butt in an easy chair,
confuses me. I'm missing something, or maybe, it's the evil
walled-garden that anti-Apple dopes wail about.
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